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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MORAY37 on January 23, 2008, 05:51:24 PM
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I'm kindof at a loss for this recent development... it seems every couple of days someone else feels that it is a proper environment to air their grief.
I understand the "community" feeling we have cultivated...BUT...
what exactly is the upside of this practice? A death in our "family" is one thing...people we fly with and talked to....but random people I've never met or remember typing me stuff that should be personal, and how should I be put in that situation?
Personally, this is the last place I'd post anything like that... why sully my "outlet". I mean, do I really want to be reminded every time I log on the BBS of it? Do BBS posts of condolences help you deal with it better??
I'm sorry for any offense... I just truly don't understand this practice... and I'm kinda tired of running into every other day. As a member of this community... am I alone in thinking... "quit trolling for sympathy?"
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Well, it's sort of a personal thing I guess with people here knowing they'll get the support from fellow AH'ers. I went through the samething last October when my mother passed away. For some reason I had the overwhelming urge to post about it here, to help get some of my grief out by letting a community I feel close with know how I felt. But ultimately I decided against it and even had a PM from someone I don't normally consider an AH BBS buddy. The fact is he felt the need to contact me over the loss of someone he never met made a huge impression on me. He knows who he is and I send a big
for doing that. It really meant a lot to me.
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I hope you never suffer a painful loss Moray. If you do, you have my permission to seek some sympathy here. We're not a bunch of ogres that we can't share our pain with friends.
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I understand that some folks prefer privacy; others prefer to be more open. Either way is fine for dealing with a personal positive (such as a birth of a child) or negative (such as the death of a loved one). I’ve known a few of the old timers on this board for about eight years, others less. That’s longer than I’ve known anyone I work with and many other folks I know in the real world. I’m not a drinker, and I don’t go out. In a way, this place is kind of like my “Cheers”. I’m not exactly Norm, but like the song goes: everybody knows my name and this where I hang out and talk about stuff, including life.
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Let the ones who get something out of the thread do so. Sometime there may be something you care about to post that is important to share. For some it really does have an impact and a beneficial effect to just share something or to vent if nothing else.
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Moray some of have known each other online for many years dating back to the early Air Warrior days. You might want to keep that in mind.
If threads dealing with the loss , sickness or injury of a family member or friend bothers you, pass them over. It`s that easy.
As for your trolling comment------>pot/kettle.
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what eskimo said.
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I said this in the thread that immediately followed Maj.issue's; It's the simple fact that we all share not just a hobby, but usually a love of Aviation, or history. A common denominator that tends' to draw people together. This tends' to establish the 'group' concept. You won't get everyone on board, but most tend to gravitate in. It's the main difference between flying online in the Arena's, and playing a boxed sim.
Think of it this way. You can go down to the supermarket, buy a 12-pack of beer, go home, and get drunk by yourself. Or, you can go to the bar, and drink a beer at a time, but drink with everyone else. AH is kinda like the bar...
Edit: I took too long typing this the first time! Eskimo beat me to it! :lol
And I'm pretty sure this is in response to what happened in G/D.
I'd like to point out this: There have been more than a few deaths' in this community; There have been memorial flights, special events, etc.
Hitech has not, I believe, ever told us no, or deleted a thread, where someone died. Usually, the simple , followed by one or two kind words, Is a lot less typing than many do on these boards' complaining about the flight model, or the Arena split, or what plane we should get next, gun control, Iraq, or Dems'. vs. Repub's. The Group seems' to be an underlying concept of Human existence, that, and the need to feel part of one. So, it tends' to be a natural function.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Moray some of have known each other online for many years dating back to the early Air Warrior days. You might want to keep that in mind.
If threads dealing with the loss , sickness or injury of a family member or friend bothers you, pass them over. It`s that easy.
As for your trolling comment------>pot/kettle.
I would like to point out... I am one of those old "AW" vets. As well, if you've known someone for so long... then PM them a message "so and so just died..so I may not fly with you for a little while..." An open forum post is something I feel is not pertinent.
I just don't see an upside to these types of posts. I lost a best friend a few months ago, and I sought the comfort of people that actually know me.
I'm sure I'll get attacked like all the other non-conforming robots that have said this before have.
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Condolences Moray but if a "best friend" is your most painful loss then relatively speaking you don't know grief. Why not let folks share their pain and roll your eyes in silence?
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I apologize for that last post Moray. I'm sure that losing a best friend can be very sorrowful and that sorrow may last a lifetime. I was just a feeling a bit defensive.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
I just don't see an upside to these types of posts. I lost a best friend a few months ago, and I sought the comfort of people that actually know me.
I'm sure I'll get attacked like all the other non-conforming robots that have said this before have.
I’m not flaming you; I know many folks who keep such things less public; there’s nothing wrong with that. I’d say more people lean toward private than not. How is being more open “conforming”?
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Originally posted by MORAY37
I would like to point out... I am one of those old "AW" vets. As well, if you've known someone for so long... then PM them a message "so and so just died..so I may not fly with you for a little while..." An open forum post is something I feel is not pertinent.
I just don't see an upside to these types of posts. I lost a best friend a few months ago, and I sought the comfort of people that actually know me.
I'm sure I'll get attacked like all the other non-conforming robots that have said this before have.
Here's an idea ignore the post. Nothing is forcing you to read or comment on it.
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Originally posted by Bronk
Here's an idea ignore the post. Nothing is forcing you to read or comment on it.
EXACTLY
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You'd think the just don't read it solution would be obvious to even the most casual observer.
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Everyone deals with death and loss of a loved one in different ways. What may seem as a waste of space to you, may be someones attempt at grieving for the loss and healing from their pain, in their way. They are not required to deal with death on your terms.
What you dont hear is this person not being able to control their crying, the persons anger, or seeing this person holding a robe or item of clothing, while crying into it. There is an old saying, "a problem shared is a problem solved".
There are apparently more friends and camaraderie on this board than you are aware of, and sharing thoughts or feelings of loss helps the person deal with that loss, among internet friends. If someone feels better for making a post about their loss, then I am happy they have found a temporary peace, because they will be dealing with the loss again very shortly, and will need another outlet. If he makes a post the following day telling how he feels and he feels better for it, then I am happy for this person again. Even if I dont know him. I encourage everyone to not hold things in, the anger, grief, frustration and fear need to come out. This is as good an outlet for that than anywhere else.
Im not trying to flame at all, but:
why sully my "outlet"
This seems to be a very greedy statement. This is everyones outlet and I agree with others, there are options with threads that you may not like.
I have a simple question for you. If your best friend came crying to you with the loss of his wife and wanted to talk to you, would you turn your back on him and tell him to go somewhere else?
I think there is a lot of restraint going on here among your board mates, and some restraint on your part with someone airing their grief would go a long way for you. And I will repeat I was not trying to flame at all. to you.
Sorry for the rambling.
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OK,
I think it’s about time I’d finally get this out;
I love you guys.
There, I said it, and in this thread of all places.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
OK,
I think it’s about time I’d finally get this out;
I love you guys.
There, I said it, and in this thread of all places.
O'club first, right there!!! :O
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And a tyre smoking, brake screeching thread ender at that! :)
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But this community does mean something to me. Even though I haven't had much money for the past 2 years, especially to spend on a flying game without much weather or nighttime, I still feel a connection to something that brought me much joy and fun.
Even with little money, I have had many AH dreams demanding my return.
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Exactly. This is a community, albeit a virtual one, but a community none the less. Sharing loss, or opinion is exactly what this place is all about IMHO.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
I would like to point out... I am one of those old "AW" vets. As well, if you've known someone for so long... then PM them a message "so and so just died..so I may not fly with you for a little while..." An open forum post is something I feel is not pertinent.
Like I said, if these threads bother you that much....don`t read them. It`s simple.
Much hogwash about nothing.
If you do not wish to be a part of the "community" that`s your choice, but just because you seem to have a cob up your tailpipe doesn`t mean squat to the rest.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Like I said, if these threads bother you that much....don`t read them. It`s simple.
Much hogwash about nothing.
If you do not wish to be a part of the "community" that`s your choice, but just because you seem to have a cob up your tailpipe doesn`t mean squat to the rest.
Like I said...people would flame me or attack me and here ya go, the Jackal.
I just asked for the reasoning behind these posts...NOT YOUR whoopee opinion about me. Get the difference, Jerk?
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Originally posted by AKIron
I apologize for that last post Moray. I'm sure that losing a best friend can be very sorrowful and that sorrow may last a lifetime. I was just a feeling a bit defensive.
No need to be defensive.. and by no means was that my biggest loss...just the most recent. I figure you were just itchin to go after me from other threads.
Maybe I'm just a realist and figure that there is one debt all men pay. I don't internally compartmentalize death. I guess that is why I just don't understand this recent need to post stuff like that. C' est l' vie...to each his or her own.
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Moray, like many have told you...Don't let it concern you. You can easily pass over the thread, and with all due respect, what business is it of yours to even question a persons way of dealing with grief?
I used to get mad over a lot of stuff, that in all reality, had no effect on my life and nothing to do with me...It was a stupid way to live...When you find yourself in a situation like this, analyize the problem, and ask yourself...Should it really be bothering me?
This post wasn't written with any aggression, or trying to one up you by the way....
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If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say (type) anything at all.
I've seen several posts where people have had loss, or have died themselves. Unless I knew them, or it was a family member that posted it post-mortem, I don't reply.
Nothing irritates me more than someone you don't even know approaching you and saying, "I'm sorry." when someone in your family has died. They didn't kill your loved one, so why say anything?
Just my personal belief, I wouldn't hold resentment towards anyone that feels differently.
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A few years ago my wife had complications in her pregnancy (3rd child) and we ended up losing the child.
Purely as an outlet for my grief and worry I posted about it here.
Swoop's girlfriend at the time assisted in finding me a hotel in Boston, where we had to go and see various doctors, and as a result Swoop and I became good friends. We still are....I saw him this past November when I flew to the UK for a conference.
Sometimes good things can come out of bad situations.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
I just asked for the reasoning behind these posts...NOT YOUR whoopee opinion about me. Get the difference, Jerk?
Thanks for making the point.
If you don`t like what is said in the threads and it gets you all in a PMS state, then don`t read them. Simple realy.:rofl
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Originally posted by MORAY37
No need to be defensive.. and by no means was that my biggest loss...just the most recent. I figure you were just itchin to go after me from other threads.
Maybe I'm just a realist and figure that there is one debt all men pay. I don't internally compartmentalize death. I guess that is why I just don't understand this recent need to post stuff like that. C' est l' vie...to each his or her own.
Itchin'? No. I have my "go" whenever I feel like it and I usually don't hold back. Just because I may let you have the last word in some other thread doesn't mean I concede anything.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Thanks for making the point.
If you don`t like what is said in the threads and it gets you all in a PMS state, then don`t read them. Simple realy.:rofl
You big bully, you’re going to make Moray cry...
Apparently only his feelings matter to him so you should avoid that. :rofl
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thats cause he is more edumacated than us idiots. I know cause he says so.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
thats cause he is more edumacated than us idiots. I know cause he says so.
lazs
Yeah he says that allot and then gets all insulting, I wonder who he is trying to convince?
I kinda thought he was another Mrblack clone, but he is to much of a wimp to be a Mrblacksniper.
:rofl
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Wow... burn away. Talk about lame guys. Keep it up... really. I guess high school never really ended for some of you and the old man stuck up on a hill in California.
I never attacked one person here.... I responded once to someone insulting me personally. I simply asked for clarification on a subject... now I'm the one without feelings? LOL. You robots keep conforming.
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Originally posted by lazs2
thats cause he is more edumacated than us idiots. I know cause he says so.
lazs
Talk about off thread. Can you ever not take things personally?
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Wow... burn away. Talk about lame guys. Keep it up... really. I guess high school never really ended for some of you and the old man stuck up on a hill in California.
I never attacked one person here.... I responded once to someone insulting me personally. I simply asked for clarification on a subject... now I'm the one without feelings? LOL. You robots keep conforming.
Don't read my feel good/sad thread Moray, you might find it offensive. :p
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Yeah he says that allot and then gets all insulting, I wonder who he is trying to convince?
I kinda thought he was another Mrblack clone, but he is to much of a wimp to be a Mrblacksniper.
:rofl
I insulted you? I've never even posted a response to you.
Whistle away.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Don't read my feel good/sad thread Moray, you might find it offensive. :p
LOL. Not at all. I kinda thought I was approaching this thread with decency. Apparently just asking a question makes you inhuman these days.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
I insulted you? I've never even posted a response to you.
Whistle away.
Your not worth my time for anything but comedy so of course not, I was making an observation about how you debate with anyone who does not agree with you.
;)
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Apparently just asking a question makes you inhuman these days.
Hardly.
However, how one frames a question and how one replies to others on this board does paint a self-portrait.
If the artist does not like what others see, I guess the artist can blame the viewers. It's one possible response.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
You big bully, you’re going to make Moray cry...
Apparently only his feelings matter to him so you should avoid that. :rofl
:D
Hey...I got the bastard award. Now I`m going for the gold. :rofl
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Originally posted by Toad
Hardly.
However, how one frames a question and how one replies to others on this board does paint a self-portrait.
If the artist does not like what others see, I guess the artist can blame the viewers. It's one possible response.
So, please then point out where I disrespected anyone with this question.
I have said repeatedly that there is no disrespect intended with the question I asked. I, personally, don't see it's pertinence on a video game BBS. I guess I wholly underestimated the therapeutic power of telling anonymous people your private business.
My apologies to all I offended with this thread.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
So, please then point out where I disrespected anyone with this question.
I have said repeatedly that there is no disrespect intended with the question I asked. I, personally, don't see it's pertinence on a video game BBS. I guess I wholly underestimated the therapeutic power of telling anonymous people your private business.
My apologies to all I offended with this thread.
Just stop. Please, let it go.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
So, please then point out where I disrespected anyone with this question.
Originally posted by MORAY37
"quit trolling for sympathy?"
Didn't have to look far, was in the first post.:rolleyes:
Sounds a bit disrespectful to me.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
So, please then point out where I disrespected anyone with this question.
Just as no great piece of art is completed with a single brush stroke, one's BBS persona is not created with a single post.
All I'm saying is that if one feels that he often gets a reaction to his post(s) that he doesn't like, one can choose to believe that it is everyone else that has a problem.
That's one way to look at it.
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I was drunk the Day my Mom got out of prison and I went to pick her in the rain.
But before I could I could get to the station in my pick up truck, she got ran over by a dammed ol train.
:cry
Mac
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That sounds like a perfect country and western song, don't ya coe?
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Originally posted by Toad
That sounds like a perfect country and western song, don't ya coe?
Yep and you don't have to call me Darlin, Darlin....
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You never even called me by my name.
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oh for gawd sakes, cut it out.
:rolleyes:
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And I'll stand out here as long as it will take me, and I never minded standing in the rain......
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I'll try and explain it to you from my perspective Moray. It's been not quite 2 and 1/2 years since I lost my son and daughter in a car wreck. In the panic of that time I found I could fall back on the friends I'd made through Airwarrior and Aces High. I remember even in the middle of it wondering why I was using both the Bigweek Forum and here to talk.
I went back to the Bigweek NG and read what i wrote back in the midst of that madness. It was hard to read, but I did speak to it and found what I wrote 2 days after the accident. This was the day after we had to take my 15 year old off life support and about 3 hours before going to see my son's body for the first time after the accident so understand it was written in a real time of madness as I tried to explain to the bigweek guys.
August 30, 2005
"Please understand I don't expect people to have anything to say, or to
even respond to this. I know that it's probably unfair that I dump all
my thoughts on you.
But understand your greatest gift to me right now is that you are where
you are and that deep down I know you are sharing this with me. The
beauty of this forum I guess is that I can come back here when I choose
and when I'm strong enough to face you instead of having to pretend as
I'll have to do when I'm not strong enough today and in the future when
the people are there and I can't handle that.. "
I hope what I wrote then makes sense to you Moray. There was a comfort in being able to choose when I vented and 'leaned' on the friends I'd made in the game. Not having to look them in the eye or take care of them was a wonderful thing, when I knew the house was full of people that I'd have to pretend that I was being strong for. Funny/sad part is most of those 'real' folks are long gone, but the friends I've made here are still around.
When Phan nearly died from complications of Diabetes, his mom called me to let me know. She wanted me to pass the word to his friends here and from Airwarrior. It made perfect sense to do so. He has lots of friends here.
When Shifty's son was wounded in Iraq, he felt like he could ask for support here. And I'd like to think he got lots of it in a time of great fear and anxiety for his family.
Whether you like it or not, this is a community and I'm glad folks feel like they can lean on each other a bit.
If that doesn't fit for you, so be it, but don't condemn other folks who see what we have here as something that goes beyond the game.
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moray.. some have tried to beat you over the head with it to get you to understand and some.. like toad.. have tried to explain it to you in a nice way...
neither works.. you are simply incapable of getting it. that would be fine but you still want to be one of the fellas.. superior but... just one of the guys.. no one likes you.. no one admires you.. no one thinks you are particularly bright.
The more you rant.. the more you protest that these things can't be true.. the more true they become.
I may have some of those traits myself but at least I accept it.
lazs
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I might add that I have met some of the best friends I have in the world now from being involved with this game. I have formed friendships and bonds with some that have lasted for years.
I see no reason to not assume that I will do the same with some others in the future.
lazs
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With all these' posts, you can see why everyone jumped all over Yknurd when he posted' in Maj.Issue's thread about his mother passing away. There is definetely More to this Community than a BBS flaming each other every chance they get. It's one of the reason's that I don't really frequent any other forums, myself. I've just gotten too used to the people here.
P.S. What happened to Dago?
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Listen...maybe everyone is just a little bit overwound here. To each his own.... Perhaps I'm just a little more compartmentalized than most.. I don't know how else to explain it. Whatever makes people happy.... I just don't understand the reasoning and I probably won't...My feelings are much more personal than that, and displaying them on the WWW is not my personal idea of helping to heal. I had no idea there was going to be such a defensive outpouring to a simple question.
End of story. Accept it or not.
And Lazs... my little sparring pumpkin... there are plenty of people that like me just fine. There are a few that even love me. Also, I'm not looking for any acceptance in internet space. I'm not superior... but I'm not afraid to ask questions either. I was simply looking for clarification. I got a big old boot up the arse. C' est l' vie.
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Originally posted by lazs2
just one of the guys.. no one likes you.. no one admires you.. no one thinks you are particularly bright.
lazs
I wonder if that'll get a #2 and #5?
Awww, Lazs. Somehow you got confused and thought that I was looking for acceptance from people I've never met. It's ok, old man....that senility of yours will clear up.
Your "Depends" must be on a bit tight today.
I was even going to share some new research with you, that came over the Smithsonian system (that's where I work) last week...on CO2 and plants. Made me laugh and actually thought of my dear friend Lazs, up on his mountain in snowy California.
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I lost a best friend a few months ago - Moray
Sorry to hear about your loss, Moray. Prayers on the way, and we will keep you in our thoughts. and best wishes.
PS - if you need somebody to talk to, pm me.
Gunthr
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moray... many of us have not displayed our feelings about some of the improtant things that have happened in our lives here on the BB.. we are "compartmentalized" too I suppose....
I don't think that word means what you think it does tho.. it doesn't mean that you get a pass to be smug and arrogant and make fun of others who do find some comfort. It would be easy for even a compartmentalized and special person like yourself to have either stayed clear of such posts or simply said.... "sorry for your loss" or some such.
this you have pretty much done... ignored them but... I guess no one noticed your superior attitude so you just had to let us know.. and.. being you... you couldn't just accept what people told you. especially since it wasn't going your way. Now you are stuck defending a position that really has no defense.
Oh.. I do wish I lived "on a mountain" (minus the snow) I will soon enough.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
no one likes you.. no one admires you.. no one thinks you are particularly bright.
Whoa lazs...don't go speaking for the entire o'club. I know you think of it as your private fan club site but not everyone agrees with your analysis above.
I like Moray, I admire him for his convictions and experience and I also think he is pretty bright.
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actually.. I thought you might. I was exaggerating.
but.. "no one but curval and angus and maybe hortlund" doesn't roll off the tongue as well...
lazs
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...and we'll all march off to the garden to eat worms togther.
"Nobody likes me
Everybody hates me
Going to the garden to eat worms
Long slim slimey ones
Short fat fuzzy ones
Yummy yummy yummy yummy worms."
:aok
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Comming late in this thread I know.
I havent read every signle post so please forgive if I say something thats already been covered here.
From my own perspective.
Let me just say that no matter how hard I may argue or dissagree with anyone here. And no matter how abrasive I can get.
most of it is merely in good fun and because I enjoy a good arguement and should not be taken personally.
I can honestly say there isnt a single person in the O'club that I dont like.
and there isnt a single person here I wouldnt help if I could if they needed it.
I see the O'club as being one large family. A bit disfunctional at time yes.
but then again. what family isnt?
And in this family. like any other, not everyone is going to agree on everything,all the time.
But like any other family. When the chips are down. And pain and misery rears its ugly head. The family for the most part comes together in support.
In some ways its even better then a regular family. You can say and vent things here that you might not say or be able to vent otherwise.
A kind of a therapy. So's to speak.
People pay good cash money to doctors to do and get exactly what some have done and received here.
And doctors get paid good cash money to do for people what we sometimes do for each other here
Sometimes all you need is that venting. Or simlpy a shoulder to cry on. Or people to bounce thoughts off of.
Some responces are positive. Some negative. some do nothing at all but confirm what one might already be thinking.
All contribute. All add perspective.
In this group here I see everything given. From a well deserved pat on the back. to a well deserved kick in the arse.
As my mother always said. "Eveyone needs a well placed pat on the back now and again.
Its only a matter of a couple of feet of elevation as to where its needed most"
When sorrow strikes one of us. We all feel for the person. Because we all know what it is like to feel sorrow.
And when we feel sorrow. Its hard to just bottle it up inside you.
sometimes you need someone just to be there. Some way to let it out.
Even if they say nothing in return. It somehow helps to make one feel better. Its as if some of the load is taken off you. And helps in healing.
I know I personally have suffered pain and vented it here.
I've vented things here I might have a problem with venting elsewhere.
Most of the time I've received nothing but compassion and found people all too willing to help. Even if it were to only be to lend an ear.
I've found this too be the norm here and not the exeption.
And honestly. No matter how much I may rant. flame or argue with you.
I wouldnt trade most of you for alot of other people I know in my every day life.
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Well said Dred.
:aok
Mac
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You see, in that, Dred, I can understand. Well said.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think that word means what you think it does tho.. it doesn't mean that you get a pass to be smug and arrogant and make fun of others who do find some comfort. It would be easy for even a compartmentalized and special person like yourself to have either stayed clear of such posts or simply said.... "sorry for your loss" or some such.
this you have pretty much done... ignored them but... I guess no one noticed your superior attitude so you just had to let us know.. and.. being you... you couldn't just accept what people told you. especially since it wasn't going your way. Now you are stuck defending a position that really has no defense.
lazs
Lazs... you really need to reread this thread. At no point was I smug and arrogant and I have taken pains to make sure I said repeatedly that I am in no way disrespecting anyone. How you deal with pain is your business, I simply was asking its pertinence to display it as such in common areas.
I simply was asking why it has been a common occurence as of late and that I was personally unsure of the benefits. At no point did I belittle anyone for doing it. That, sir, is your projected anger onto me.
If anyone has belittled anyone, it has been you and Jackal all over me for just asking the question. In a free society, we should all be allowed to ask a question, if asked respectably, and assume an answer forthcoming would be valid.
You may be introduced to democracy and free speech some day... something which you say you support... but obviously only if it is your free speech and your opinion.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Sorry to hear about your loss, Moray. Prayers on the way, and we will keep you in our thoughts. and best wishes.
PS - if you need somebody to talk to, pm me.
Gunthr
Thank you sir and apologize if there was any offense in any way, on this thread.
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Originally posted by Curval
Whoa lazs...don't go speaking for the entire o'club. I know you think of it as your private fan club site but not everyone agrees with your analysis above.
I like Moray, I admire him for his convictions and experience and I also think he is pretty bright.
Thank you curval... and back at you.
Lazs is just a tired old man... he needs to belittle someone to create the illusion of control in his world. I admit he provides amusing fodder for later stories, though.
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moray.. of course I respect free speech. I also respect personal responsibility. You had your free speech.. Now take responsibility for it.. don't whine cause people come after you for what you had to say.
That is what it is all about. we all say outlandish things from time to time and.. that is free speech.. that is fine... just don't whine. If your free speech paints a certain picture of who you are (to paraphrase toad) then don't whine about the people looking at the picture.. look to the artist.
lazs
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Lazs is just a tired old man... he needs to belittle someone to create the illusion of control in his world. I admit he provides amusing fodder for later stories, though.
Actually, you made an idiotic thread starting post and you now wish to "deny responsibility for it". You can blame lazs or anyone else for the matter, all you want. The bottom line is you have to deal with the consequences of what you typed.
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I doubt I agree with Laz on much, but I respect the fact that he is firm in his beliefs and shoots straight.
He wasn't the problem in this thread :)
I did try and answer your question honestly as did others. You apparently don't get that part.
Sadly it's your loss for missing a big part of what this community is.
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OK,
Everyone EXCEPT MORAY37 form a circle, join hands and sing:
"Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbayah
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya"
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Actually, you made an idiotic thread starting post and you now wish to "deny responsibility for it". You can blame lazs or anyone else for the matter, all you want. The bottom line is you have to deal with the consequences of what you typed.
No sir... not denying responsibility at all. Your view of the reality of this thread is distorted, the first time I've seen you blow it bad, Karaya.
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Originally posted by lazs2
moray.. of course I respect free speech. I also respect personal responsibility. You had your free speech.. Now take responsibility for it.. don't whine cause people come after you for what you had to say.
That is what it is all about. we all say outlandish things from time to time and.. that is free speech.. that is fine... just don't whine. If your free speech paints a certain picture of who you are (to paraphrase toad) then don't whine about the people looking at the picture.. look to the artist.
lazs
Which part was outlandish again?
The part where I made clear that no offense is meant?
The part where I repeatedly said I'm not attempting to belittle anyone?
Or just the fact that I personally don't see why someone would post such personal information for stranger's consumption?
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I love you guys.
You're not getting my bud lite.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
No sir... not denying responsibility at all. Your view of the reality of this thread is distorted, the first time I've seen you blow it bad, Karaya.
Not blown at all. You never should have started this thread in the first place. If you cannot see why, then maybe you should take a break.
Maybe not "Denying responsibility", but more like "deflecting". :aok
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Mash, I dunno man. Go back and read Moray's original post...is it THAT bad? The "trolling for sympathy" quote is a little harsh, but believe me I know a ton of really nice people who do not understand the sharing of such personal information in a public forum and who quite frankly wonder the same thing. I viewed it as an honest question.
Some didn't and they appear now to have turned this thread into a witch hunt of sorts.
I suspect it has more to do with opinions/rivalries/whatever from other threads creeping into this one.
There's alot of *talk* about community going on in this thread...and I ain't seeing it. What I see is more schoolyard-like.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
If anyone has belittled anyone, it has been you and Jackal all over me for just asking the question.
:rofl Oh my!
In a free society, we should all be allowed to ask a question, if asked respectably, and assume an answer forthcoming would be valid.
and I'm kinda tired of running into every other day. As a member of this community... am I alone in thinking... "quit trolling for sympathy?"
Let the hem out. Your respect is showing.
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Originally posted by Bronk
You're not getting my bud lite.
I just wanted a hug.
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Originally posted by Curval
Mash, I dunno man. Go back and read Moray's original post...is it THAT bad? The "trolling for sympathy" quote is a little harsh, but believe me I know a ton of really nice people who do not understand the sharing of such personal information in a public forum and who quite frankly wonder the same thing. I viewed it as an honest question.
Some didn't and they appear now to have turned this thread into a witch hunt of sorts.
I suspect it has more to do with opinions/rivalries/whatever from other threads creeping into this one.
There's alot of *talk* about community going on in this thread...and I ain't seeing it. What I see is more schoolyard-like.
His original post was not bad at all, I agree. I think he’s become blindly defensive, however.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Or just the fact that I personally don't see why someone would post such personal information for stranger's consumption?
I think I see part of the disconnect or miscommunication here...
Strangers? I've been on these boards since 2001, I wont say I know everybody extremely well, but I know some of these guys better than I know some people I work with everyday. I've gotten together with some of them for beers and wings in the past and I've also met some of them at different cons over the years, I wouldnt refer to them as "strangers"...
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Originally posted by Curval
Mash, I dunno man. Go back and read Moray's original post...is it THAT bad? The "trolling for sympathy" quote is a little harsh, but believe me I know a ton of really nice people who do not understand the sharing of such personal information in a public forum and who quite frankly wonder the same thing. I viewed it as an honest question.
Some didn't and they appear now to have turned this thread into a witch hunt of sorts.
I suspect it has more to do with opinions/rivalries/whatever from other threads creeping into this one.
There's alot of *talk* about community going on in this thread...and I ain't seeing it. What I see is more schoolyard-like.
I still stand firm that this thread never should have been started. Nothing good was going to come from it, especailly after Drunky's lapses in a couple other threads.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum I still stand firm that this thread never should have been started. Nothing good was going to come from it, especailly after Drunky's relapses in a couple other threads.
Fixed!
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Fixed!
Thanks for the back up! :)
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I'm here for ya, bro!
:aok
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Originally posted by Curval
Mash, I dunno man. Go back and read Moray's original post...is it THAT bad? The "trolling for sympathy" quote is a little harsh, but believe me I know a ton of really nice people who do not understand the sharing of such personal information in a public forum and who quite frankly wonder the same thing. I viewed it as an honest question.
Some didn't and they appear now to have turned this thread into a witch hunt of sorts.
I suspect it has more to do with opinions/rivalries/whatever from other threads creeping into this one.
There's alot of *talk* about community going on in this thread...and I ain't seeing it. What I see is more schoolyard-like.
I see what you're getting at, Curval...And maybe that is so. However, If we were to put one thing up that outlines' how this community can reach out to the people it's composed of, It's here:http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=225275
That proves that we can, through some measure, do some little bit to help-and that it's not all a bunch of typing time wasted on the phosphor dots. And hopefully, this answers' Moray's question that he origanally posted to start this thread.
P.S. also, sorry to hear about your friend, MORAY