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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on January 24, 2008, 08:31:26 PM
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/24/60minutes/main3749494.shtml
Of course, there are people posted on this BBS that have said they would have supported the war if there were in fact WMD.
It certainly looks like there was every reason to believe there were, as intended by Saddam. Yet, these same people can't question for a moment the "Bush is a lying incompetent" malarky that they spew....
I suspect if tomorrow a huge cache of 4yo VX were found hidden, the opinion of the left wouldn't change one bit.
Interrogator: Invasion Surprised Saddam
Jan. 24, 2008(CBS) Saddam Hussein initially didn't think the U.S. would invade Iraq to destroy weapons of mass destruction, so he kept the fact that he had none a secret to prevent an Iranian invasion he believed could happen. The Iraqi dictator revealed this thinking to George Piro, the FBI agent assigned to interrogate him after his capture.
Piro, in his first television interview, relays this and other revelations to 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley this Sunday, Jan. 27, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
Piro spent almost seven months debriefing Saddam in a plan based on winning his confidence by convincing him that Piro was an important envoy who answered to President Bush. This and being Saddam's sole provider of items like writing materials and toiletries made the toppled Iraqi president open up to Piro, a Lebanese-American and one of the few FBI agents who spoke Arabic. "He told me he initially miscalculated... President Bush’s intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998...a four-day aerial attack," says Piro. "He survived that one and he was willing to accept that type of attack." "He didn't believe the U.S. would invade?" asks Pelley, "No, not initially," answers Piro.
Once the invasion was certain, says Piro, Saddam asked his generals if they could hold the invaders for two weeks. "And at that point, it would go into what he called the secret war," Piro tells Pelley. But Piro isn’t convinced that the insurgency was Saddam's plan. "Well, he would like to take credit for the insurgency," says Piro.
Saddam still wouldn't admit he had no weapons of mass destruction, even when it was obvious there would be military action against him because of the perception he did. Because, says Piro, "For him, it was critical that he was seen as still the strong, defiant Saddam. He thought that [faking having the weapons] would prevent the Iranians from reinvading Iraq," he tells Pelley. He also intended and had the wherewithal to restart the weapons program. "Saddam] still had the engineers. The folks that he needed to reconstitute his program are still there," says Piro. "He wanted to pursue all of WMD…to reconstitute his entire WMD program." This included chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, Piro says.
Saddam bragged that he changed his routine and security to elude capture. "What he wanted to really illustrate is…how he was able to outsmart us," says Piro. "He told me he changed…the way he traveled. He got rid of his normal vehicles. He got rid of the protective detail that he traveled with, really just to change his signature."
It took nine months to finally capture Saddam, but U.S. calculations on where he might be early on turned out to be accurate. Saddam was at Dora Farms early in the war when the known presidential site was targeted with tons of bombs and many missiles. "He said it in a kind of a bragging fashion that he was there, but that we missed him. He wasn't bothered by the fact that he was there," Piro tells Pelley.
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I still believe there are WMDs hidden/lost in the desert or moved to Syria or Jordan.
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"[Saddam] still had the engineers. The folks that he needed to reconstitute his program are still there"
...and that folks, was the real threat.
What is more dangerous than a nuke?
The scientists and engineers that make them.
You cant move radioactive material without getting some notice.. but you can move people VERY easily.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I still believe there are WMDs hidden/lost in the desert or moved to Syria or Jordan.
He had a year or so of advanced warning that the U.S. was coming..I fhe watched CNN he would have known... Im sure he probably had at least some Bio weapons that he just relocated
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
..If he watched CNN he would have known...
Ahhhhh...sweet irony!!
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they did find wmd's just not the huge amount they were expecting that went to Syria and Jordan.
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I'm confused now... Are Bush and Powell still supposed to be liars since Saddam was doing his best to convince us he actually did have WMD and was intent on getting more plus nukes?
Damnit, it's not possible that anyone made an "honest" mistake, so who, other than Saddam, are we supposed to call a liar NOW? It shouldn't be so difficult to lay blame here... Just pick a name and point the finger, facts be damned.
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I blame Richard Simmons for the invasion, but I blame dRippy for this stupid thread.
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Bush just goofed, it was an honest mistake.
Of course now some will say "prove there were no WMD" :)
shamus
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Hello, and welcome to 5 years ago.
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Originally posted by eagl
I'm confused now... Are Bush and Powell still supposed to be liars since Saddam was doing his best to convince us he actually did have WMD and was intent on getting more plus nukes?
Damnit, it's not possible that anyone made an "honest" mistake, so who, other than Saddam, are we supposed to call a liar NOW? It shouldn't be so difficult to lay blame here... Just pick a name and point the finger, facts be damned.
It sure was a lot of "mistakes." (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/23/bush.iraq/index.html)
But... like RPM says... water under the bridge. The costs are already sunk. The question now is, "How much money and how many more American lives do we keep throwing into this steaming bucket of ****."
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How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?....
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Originally posted by Sandman
It sure was a lot of "mistakes." (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/23/bush.iraq/index.html)
But... like RPM says... water under the bridge. The costs are already sunk. The question now is, "How much money and how many more American lives do we keep throwing into this steaming bucket of ****."
Now that the american troops are there to bring the democracy and stabilize the country, they also better to stay there regardless of the cost. That's the only way for the USA to set things right after the invasion that they were warned against from doing.
Otherwise Iraq will be the new Afganistan - a huge terrorist training grounds, a threat that cannot be ignored.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Otherwise Iraq will be the new Afganistan - a huge terrorist training grounds, a threat that cannot be ignored.
Hate to break to it to you but Iraq already is a terrorist training and deployment ground...the afghan training ground is in northern Pakistan
Tronsky
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OMG!! Don't get me started :furious
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This might help explain it: Link>> (http://www.tfot.info/news/1094/some-people-never-learn.html)
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I remember a round-table discussion on Fox Sunday during the span where Saddam was stilll threatening inspectors, hindering them, etc ---Brit Hume said something like "We would have to believe he's ACTING like he has them when he doesn't...that would defy all logic"
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Originally posted by Rolex
This might help explain it: Link>> (http://www.tfot.info/news/1094/some-people-never-learn.html)
Interesting read Rolex, thanks.
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Iraq already is a terrorist training and deployment ground
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This subject is not a one way street for anti western propaganda you know.
Look at the strategic military benefits of the war against the Islamic extremists: Iraq and Afghanistan have both been extremely valuable training and deployment grounds for professional western military forces.
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Originally posted by Rolex
This might help explain it: Link>> (http://www.tfot.info/news/1094/some-people-never-learn.html)
I'm pretty sure the A1 mutation is a prerequisite for politicians.
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So you are saying Sadaam fooled us...and that justifies the war?
Honestly?
LOL
Awesome.
:aok
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Originally posted by Curval
So you are saying Sadaam fooled us...and that justifies the war?
Honestly?
LOL
Awesome.
:aok
I'm disappointed in you , i thought you were more intelligent than that.
the reasons were many, and have been mentioned many times.
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Isn't that basically what the article posted said?
I know the reasons, I'm just suprised to see this particular one come out of the woodwork.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Iraq and Afghanistan have both been extremely valuable training and deployment grounds for professional western military forces.
You are right. At roughly $100 billion per year (+ loss of life), it must be extremely valuable training...
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I think Saddam probably fooled himself. Cost him his life and that of his sons.
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You think maybe Saddam lied to Piro?
The world was aware by that point that the US did not execute prisoners. They interred them forever while trying to extract information. Saddam lied to everyone for his own purposes. In this case Saddam's lie was so simple, Piro wanted to beleived him. By lieing and making it simply obvious, Saddam was hoping to get his interrment extended instead of being handed over to the new Iraq goverment. If Saddam was found hiding in a hole with out his sons, was that a man who wanted to be executed?
Did Piro want to beleive their were no WMD? Have you noticed all of the retired government employees who get in front of the microphone to give information long after the fact, then try to make the reasons for Iraq look like the illusions of a meth addict. What six or 7 firgure job or high fee speaking tour is Piro looking at right now in the public sector that this interview is sealing for him?
Follow the money. Over the next 6 months google Piro and see what he is doing for a living.
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So the US et al were fooled by a man with a disturbing perchant for gold plated toilet seats?
That's going to make me rest easy at night... thank the gods we are all in safe hands!