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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DYNAMITE on January 26, 2008, 11:16:40 PM
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Well the results are in... and it looks like Obama knocked the scunion off of Clinton in the South Carolina primary...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22854377/?GT1=10755
This is turning into one of the wackiest election cycles ever.:O
Good fun
What does this mean for Edwards? Not winning SC means he's out if you ask me.
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The blacks in my State are some of the most racist in the world. It is no surprise they voted for someone who belongs to a Black Supremacist Church. Hillary was counting on it to further her agenda.
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I hope the dems nominate the guy.
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No real news there, just the margin of win
I do find the media love of him interesting. He's done one bill and his only major stand is against the Iraq War. His voting record of "Present" (pre-Senate days) is something I think that will haunt him.
Watching Bill Clinton lash out and turn folks off daily is getting interesting. Even Sen Kerry points out to his difficulty telling the truth :huh
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Yeah this is the wackiest election year that I can remember.
But unfortunately it appears that the Dems will continue their destructive ways-by that I mean the party keeps backing the wrong horse.
At the convention I'll bet Hillary will get the nomination but IMHO she has no chance of winning a national presidential election-so we will get stuck with the Rep nominee as our next Pres.
I live in Oregon so by the time I get to vote-it's all pretty much all said and done which sucks. I would really like to vote for Edwards and have it count. All I can hope for is that on super Tuesday Hillary falls to third and Edwards edges cloer to Obama-Oh Well
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Originally posted by DYNAMITE
Well the results are in... and it looks like Obama knocked the scunion off of Clinton in the South Carolina primary...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22854377/?GT1=10755
This is turning into one of the wackiest election cycles ever.:O
Good fun
What does this mean for Edwards? Not winning SC means he's out if you ask me.
And he beat Ms Clinton by a margin of 2 to 1. The biggest margin of victory yet.
Edwards did have more white women vote for him that Obama. White women in South Carolina do not seem to like Obama, for some odd reason.
However, Obama does have Obama Girl:
(http://www.wearyourstory.com/images/details/2/obama_girl_says_obama_is_good.jpg)
Click below to learn more about Obama Girl:
Obama Girl Web Pages (http://www.myspace.com/obamagirl)
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I fear the voters in the U.S. are rapidly losing the ability to make rational, common sense decisions. The trendy compulsion to make "politically correct" voting selections raises the real possibility that a complete tyro could become the next president.
Obama is holding his cards close to his vest...yet I believe that he is more than just another leftist political gift-giver. It's just a hunch of course, but I believe his inaugural address will be full of promises aimed at the gimme crowd: "Ask not what you can do for your country....ask what your country can do for you!"
His programs....will break the bank. Tax rates wil grow to the point where they will be more than just burdensome. The goal of "reining in" the evils of "big business" will place shackles on the economy, and there will be an assault on the second amendment unlike anything ever seen in the past.
Did I go over the top? I can't tell....been having a bad week.
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Since the media is not giving attention to other candidates regardless of how well they are doing I dont know where to find out how Ron Paul is doing.
Any clues?
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Originally posted by Tac
Since the media is not giving attention to other candidates regardless of how well they are doing I dont know where to find out how Ron Paul is doing.
Any clues?
The fact that you aren't hearing about him ought to be a clue to how he's doing.
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Doesn't anyone want to know more about Obama Girl?
What a waste of brain cells.
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Originally posted by moot
Doesn't anyone want to know more about Obama Girl?
What a waste of brain cells.
I liked her video at the top of the list. Obama defintely outdanced Bush but I noticed she avoided showing Mitt or Mike dancing. Of course being a Southern Baptist it might be difficult to find a pic of Huckabee dancing. Southern Baptists don't even have sex, it's too much like dancing. ;)
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I want to know what Ben Franklin Girl was like.
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I do find the media love of him interesting. He's done one bill and his only major stand is against the Iraq War. His voting record of "Present" (pre-Senate days) is something I think that will haunt him...
Obama is holding his cards close to his vest...yet I believe that he is more than just another leftist political gift-giver. It's just a hunch of course, but I believe his inaugural address will be full of promises aimed at the gimme crowd: "Ask not what you can do for your country....ask what your country can do for you!"...
Obama is a product of the Illinois progressive Democratic machine. He was being groomed by party leaders and has followed the party line in lock step with his mentor, Dick Durbin. The Illinois party is particularly progressive -- in the worst of ways -- and is comparable to the democratic operations in California and Massachusetts. As I explained to an Obama supporter at a party last weekend, his talk of being the candidate of change is just that -- talk -- and if you would feel comfortable voting for Dick Durbin for president then by all means vote for Obama. That provides, IMO, a good guide for how this guy without a record will govern.
While he wasn't around Illinois politics long enough the be on the formal indictment watch, it will be interesting to see how Hillary plays the Tony Rezko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoin_Rezko) card. It will take some work to cut through the media fawning and the mental resistance of many of his supporters who just really want him to be the golden boy riding in to town on his magic unicorn to save the day.
Charon
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Obama hasn't been trying to run as a 'black' candidate, as Jesse or Al did/would, because you can't become president promising to elevate 15% of the population above the others., so wisely, he has tried to avoid any mention of it. But Clinton injected it (mostly Bill), and Hillary got her arse handed to her---but there might have been an effect, because Obama had only 25% of the white vote in SC, (vs. 36% in Iowa)
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I love reading the comments that close-minded individuals make, be it liberal or conservative
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Originally posted by Raptor
I love reading the comments that close-minded individuals make, be it liberal or conservative
Splain?
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The candidates are all tools. Obama just looks the sharpest.
Bye, Bye baby boomers. Hello generation X.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
I fear the voters in the U.S. are rapidly losing the ability to make rational, common sense decisions.
Nothing new there...
(http://www.needlenose.com/i/swopa/BushIdiot2.jpg)
...-Gixer
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(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t300/mairez_2007/candidate.jpg)
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:rofl
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Dadano
The candidates are all tools. Obama just looks the sharpest.
Bye, Bye baby boomers. Hello generation X.
According the U.S. Census Bureau, baby boomers were born between 1946 and 1964.
Obama was born in 1961.
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I think that the interesting part about the SC Dem primary is that although the popular news media has been almost exclusively framing the democrat primary as a race/gender contest, in SC Obama was favored by every single demographic except the elderly.
It's also funny that although Bill Clinton has been severely chastized by the press for pointing out the idiocy behind the media's fixation on the race and gender of the candidates, he was also spot-on in his criticism. Yea the Clinton campaign has been playing up the race/gender issue a bit, but the media has fixated on it to the point where they are not only excluding any discussion about actual issues, they are also openly insulting the public by directly stating over and over that voters have no choice but to make their decision based purely on race and gender.
It's nearly impossible to find any media discussion about the issues, and that is one huge reason why Edwards and Ron Paul have had such a tough time getting any coverage... They're not black enough, old enough, religious enough, or female enough to attract the media's attention. They've made the hideous mistake of actually trying to discuss issues that really matter, and the media is punishing them by ignoring them almost completely except when one of the other campaigns finds something non-relevant but juicy to talk about.
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Originally posted by Sandman
According the U.S. Census Bureau, baby boomers were born between 1946 and 1964.
Obama was born in 1961.
I think the point was that gen-X is taking a more active role, and they favor younger candidates such as Obama. Obama is on the trailing edge of the baby boom generation and anyone who wants to see how different he is from many baby boomers just has to compare him to (for example) Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the Clintons, etc. He seems to act younger and he appears both less cynical and less aggressively or harshly competitive than many leaders from the baby boom generation.
IMHO anyhow.
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Originally posted by eagl
I think the point was that gen-X is taking a more active role, and they favor younger candidates such as Obama. Obama is on the trailing edge of the baby boom generation and anyone who wants to see how different he is from many baby boomers just has to compare him to (for example) Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the Clintons, etc. He seems to act younger and he appears both less cynical and less aggressively or harshly competitive than many leaders from the baby boom generation.
IMHO anyhow.
I thought that might be the case, but I put that out there anyway.
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Originally posted by eagl
It's also funny that although Bill Clinton has been severely chastized by the press for pointing out the idiocy behind the media's fixation on the race and gender of the candidates, he was also spot-on in his criticism. Yea the Clinton campaign has been playing up the race/gender issue a bit, but the media has fixated on it to the point where they are not only excluding any discussion about actual issues, they are also openly insulting the public by directly stating over and over that voters have no choice but to make their decision based purely on race and gender.
It's nearly impossible to find any media discussion about the issues, and that is one huge reason why Edwards and Ron Paul have had such a tough time getting any coverage... They're not black enough, old enough, religious enough, or female enough to attract the media's attention. They've made the hideous mistake of actually trying to discuss issues that really matter, and the media is punishing them by ignoring them almost completely except when one of the other campaigns finds something non-relevant but juicy to talk about.
No kidding...
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Originally posted by Charon
Obama is a product of the Illinois progressive Democratic machine. He was being groomed by party leaders and has followed the party line in lock step with his mentor, Dick Durbin.
Charon
For that matter so has Hillary. Actually moreso for Hillary
Cept for race they damn near mirror each other. Particularly when it comes to voting the party line. (nobody has been able to prove to me yet that Hillary is in fact a woman)
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
Representing: New York
Voted with Democratic Party: 97.1 percent of 339 votes.
Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)
Representing: Illinois
Voted with Democratic Party: 96.4 percent of 276 votes.
Source- US Congress votes database (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/party-voters/)
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Originally posted by Tac
Since the media is not giving attention to other candidates regardless of how well they are doing I dont know where to find out how Ron Paul is doing.
Any clues?
He has twice the number of delegates as Rudy Giuliani at this point, although that really is not saying much.
However, Giulani is getting far more press than Ron Paul.
If Giulani comes in with only 15% as is currently predicted in Florida, I imagine that he will pull out of the race.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Dadano
The candidates are all tools. Obama just looks the sharpest.
Bye, Bye baby boomers. Hello generation X.
Well, since Clinton and the present Bush were the only Baby Boomer Presidents, this may well be very good news for the USA.
However, you do seem to forget that Mrs. Clinton is also a Baby Boomer.
I still believe that the way the American political system is currently set up, the candidate with the most money is going to win every time.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Sandman
According the U.S. Census Bureau, baby boomers were born between 1946 and 1964.
Obama was born in 1961.
Yes, but neither Obama nor Edwards LOOK like they were born before 1965. Neither one looks their age.
President Kennedy was only 43 when he took office. If Obama is elected, he would be 47 when inaugurated.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by SIG220
Yes, but neither Obama nor Edwards LOOK like they were born before 1965. Neither one looks their age.
I dunno... I was born in 1962, and I think Obama and Edwards both look their ages.
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Originally posted by SIG220
He has twice the number of delegates as Rudy Giuliani at this point, although that really is not saying much.
However, Giulani is getting far more press than Ron Paul.
Ron Paul has beaten Rudy 5 times. Giuliani is toast. He put all his eggs in one basket and skipped the early primaries. Now his Florida numbers look weak. He won't make it to SuperTuesday. I think Ron Paul will.
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Originally posted by rpm
Ron Paul has beaten Rudy 5 times. Giuliani is toast. He put all his eggs in one basket and skipped the early primaries. Now his Florida numbers look weak. He won't make it to SuperTuesday. I think Ron Paul will.
Excellent. I look forward to Ghouliani fading back into the woodwork.
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Nothing would make me happier.
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Originally posted by rpm
Ron Paul has beaten Rudy 5 times. Giuliani is toast. He put all his eggs in one basket and skipped the early primaries. Now his Florida numbers look weak. He won't make it to SuperTuesday. I think Ron Paul will.
I do hope you're right.