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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Coshy on January 27, 2008, 09:35:34 AM
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Its been a while since we had a good zombie thread, so here goes my attempt.
What books/manuals would you consider essential, specific titles or general categories, for your end-of-civilization or post zombie attack library. While the topic specifies a zombie attack, include your choices for general end-of-civilization-as-we-know-it survival fare. Don't forget field manuals, I know FMs relating to survival exist, just not the specific names.
My list so far:
Medical/First aid
Dummies guide to butchering
Trapping guides
Gardening for Dummies
Log Cabin construction for Dummies
Welding Basics
Smithing
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How is the zombie survival guide not on there?
World War Z, too, if you'd like to hear some "firsthand" zombie fighting strategies.
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Edible Poison Weeds by You L. Gibbon.
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(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1400049628.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
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For reference, the Zombie Gun thread:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=215494&highlight=zombie+attack
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Yep.. I think my choices are still good... I had said..
"What to grab?
I just can't leave without my cut down, 4" redhawk with the stag grips... I know... overkill and the ammo is heavy but... love that gun and... even a chest shot will slow down one of the undead.
practical matter.. the mini 14 would be good.. the garand is more to my liking but.. the mini had 30 round mags and weighs nothing and has no recoil.. easy to get back on target... and... a head shot with a 223 is pretty devestating...
The kimber 45... plenty good for zombies and accurate... quick reloads... ammo easy to find lying around.
340 pd... 357 at 12 oz and a few 5 shot speedloaders all fit in the front pocket... great last ditch gun... 125 hp will bust their melon good but....
The real king would probly just be my model 97 trench gun pump shotgun with a bandolier of 00 or number 4 buck. even has a bayonet to keep em at arms length during reloads... extremely reliable shot gun good sling.
might throw in the walther ppk in 32 and a few mags for last ditch stuff too.."
Now that I bought a Henry in 44 mag... and after watching the second or third of the remakes of "night of the living dead".. that Henry might not be too bad.. the 44 mag is pretty bad on the recoil but the thing will hold 13 of the plenty potent 44 specials.
lazs
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World War Z did discuss the issue of damage to the zombies pretty well.
Basically it said that ONLY a brain shot will kill, regardless of size.
I thought the pieces about Yonkers and later engagements were very well thought out.
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Wouldn't you have to take out a pretty fair hunk of the brain? I mean.. real folk get shot with a 22 or 25 in the head all the time and hardly know it.
lazs
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Yes. But in the book they downsized the standard round to .22 or so, and made each round Incendiary / High Explosive. They didn't really describe the new standard issue rifles other than they were Semi-Auto, Highly accurate, low-recoil, and extremely reliable.
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low recoil and accurate and with enough punch to make a big mess after penetrating skull would all be good.
I still think a 12 gauge with #4 or 00 buck would be good even with the heavy recoil when things got close. A lever gun in 44 special or light loaded 44 mag would be good.. you could make slugs from wheel weights over a campfire.
lazs
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Ammo weight could become a real concern, the lighter the effective round, the better. Sure, 12 gauge slugs would work fine, but the number of shots you can carry around...
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I'll bank on this in a pinch.
ZombiGone (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/guns/recoilless-auto-shotgun-fires-300-rounds-per-minute-no-cleaning-or-lube-required-324453.php?autoplay=true)
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(http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/thisweekineducation/upload/2007/10/edweek_runs_scientologist_ad_s/dianetics.jpg)
Oh wait....
:rofl
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wow that AA-12 RECOILESS auto shotgun is really impressive, and practical too. man, that is nice.
A lot of yas are probably gonna laugh at this, but I kinda like the idea of trapping zombies. A feller could easily carry a bunch of those big prettythang bear traps in the back of a pickup truck and set them around high traffic areas with a stake holding each one n the ground. you wouldn't even need to bait them if you put them in a good spot. Then go out each morning and see what you got. it would allow you to get some good use out of your .22 handguns too, plinking those zoms btw the eyes and taking your time at it because the dummies got one foot in a trap.
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A good protective combat helmet would be necessary, I believe, as don't Zombies have a taste for brains?
A good helmet would help to frustrate their hungry desires.
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/2/2b/ENHANCED_COMBAT_HELMET.jpg)
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Problem with bear traps is that depending on the zombie's strength/decay/determination, it could rip its own foot off and keep going with a stump.
Helmets would be pretty useless; even if it stopped the zombie from getting to your head, if it bit you anywhere else you'd still die and become zombified. It might give you protection against a surprise bite, but not much after that.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Problem with bear traps is that depending on the zombie's strength/decay/determination, it could rip its own foot off and keep going with a stump.
Helmets would be pretty useless; even if it stopped the zombie from getting to your head, if it bit you anywhere else you'd still die and become zombified. It might give you protection against a surprise bite, but not much after that.
I really can't describe World War Z in too great of detail without ruining it. This topic is covered. Read it, it's actually pretty interesting.
But, to ruin it a little bit... Zombies do have the strength, weak flesh and determination to rip their own limbs off to get at food. Plus it's the disabled ones you have to be most careful of. Where the regular zombies come at you standing, the ones that are missing legs will be hard to see.
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I've read both ZSG and WWZ. WWZ is by far the better of the two. :)
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Originally posted by Tarmac
I've read both ZSG and WWZ. WWZ is by far the better of the two. :)
Well then you are aware of the kevlar infused uniforms the American Forces had...
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yep, and the small caliber HE/I frangible bullet rifles and their e-tool headchopper axe things.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
yep, and the small caliber HE/I frangible bullet rifles and their e-tool headchopper axe things.
I have an E-Tool! it would be perfect for bashing in zombie heads.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
yep, and the small caliber HE/I frangible bullet rifles and their e-tool headchopper axe things.
Lobos.
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Originally posted by lazs2
low recoil and accurate and with enough punch to make a big mess after penetrating skull would all be good.
I still think a 12 gauge with #4 or 00 buck would be good even with the heavy recoil when things got close. A lever gun in 44 special or light loaded 44 mag would be good.. you could make slugs from wheel weights over a campfire.
lazs
given the choice i would go with my win 94 trapper .44mag any day over a shotgun. the truncated beast is faster handling with a lower recoil, hence quicker and more accurate follow up shots than any 12 gauge shotgun i have ever used even when it's loaded heavy with win296 or h110 behind a 240gr xtp. it'll more than do the job, even on a zombie i expect, plus it'll out-range the shotty by a country mile. i would stick with jacketed ammo though, driven to the max. never had any luck with cast loads.. jams, bore leading problems and piss poor accuracy about sums up my experience with them.
btw congrats on your henry purchase, a very nice rifle. wish i had one
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One weapon I haven't seen mentioned yet is a simple water hose, like firemen's. It would have more than a few tactical uses.
I suppose if you had the right equipment, replacing water with acid would be quite a sight :D
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The aa12 would be cool.. I also like the old "striker" revolver shotgun that this thing looks like.
I have had no problem with cast loads in my brothers marlin lever 44 or my henry so far. A 44 special would be plenty and a lot less recoil.. hold a couple extra rounds too.. Use round nose flat point lead slugs in lever guns even tho.. the Henry feeds anything so long as it is not too long. 240 cast semi wadcutters feed fine.
Use Hard cast slugs. Don't go over about 1600 fps and you shouldn't get leading. The cast slugs seem to be slightly more accurate too.. the early marlins and winchesters had shallow rifling and weren't good with lead slugs. the newer guns seem more lead slug friendly.
It would be good to have a handgun and a rifle chambered for the same round and that round would need to be easy to reload in the field. In retrospect the .367 would be a bit better.. lighter and shoots as flat with much less recoil. I just like the 44..
223 is great.. no real recoil and light ammo.. accurate and powerful but... when a semi auto jams it is a club.. any sub par ammo will make it jam..
lazs
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Just drive to Dallas, TX.
Surround yourself with Texans.
Eventually the Zombies would starve themselves out because.....
Texans have no Brains.
:D
Mac
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Wth?
Zombies attack and you would read???
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Originally posted by croduh
Wth?
Zombies attack and you would read???
I don't know how to splint a fractured arm, so I'd either have to go around with a floppy arm, or read how to splint it.
I don't know how to butcher a cow/pig/etc so I would either have to become a vegetarian or read how to butcher. I don't think its as easy as walking up to a cow and cutting a slab of meat off its side ... is it?
I don't know how to weld chain link fence and supports to the windows of my vehicles so I would have to hope the glass holds, or read how to weld.
The zombie survival guide wasnt included because it doesnt contain (to my knowledge) specific information pertinent to surviving. Shoot/bash em in the head = good zombie. Great, now what?
There have been several good threads on prefered zombie guns, I think we covered that topic well enough. We even had a more general thread on what you would do post zombie outbreak, where you would go, what supplies you would take, etc, but what wasn't mentioned, or discussed in depth, was they kind of information you would take with you.
I was kind of hoping to tap a little bit of the variety of people here to find specific rescources, or flesh out gaps in my thinking.
So ... to get this back on track ...
What books/manuals would you consider essential, specific titles or general categories, for your end-of-civilization or post zombie attack library. While the topic specifies a zombie attack, include your choices for general end-of-civilization-as-we-know-it survival fare. Don't forget field manuals, I know FMs relating to survival exist, just not the specific names.
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Seen "Dawn of the Dead" the other day. Zombies have Issues!!!
:eek:
Mac
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Originally posted by Coshy
I don't think its as easy as walking up to a cow and cutting a slab of meat off its side ... is it?
You'd be surprised;)
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Problem with bear traps is that depending on the zombie's strength/decay/determination, it could rip its own foot off and keep going with a stump.
Helmets would be pretty useless; even if it stopped the zombie from getting to your head, if it bit you anywhere else you'd still die and become zombified. It might give you protection against a surprise bite, but not much after that.
Come on give sig a break, he needs a helmet to replace the little red one they make him use on the bus. :D
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problem with butchering anything is not how to do it... you can mess up pretty bad and still have more meat than you can use with big animals like a pig or cow or even a deer.. problem is storage. no refrigeration means jerky lots of salt.
If you are in a group that is a little different but in any group someone will have basic butchering skills.
lazs
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Originally posted by Chairboy
For reference, the Zombie Gun thread:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=215494&highlight=zombie+attack
an all time classic thread:aok LOLatW, Laz "best zombie guns"
Watched land of the dead this weekend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_the_Dead these Stenches began to organize. I don't think you could carry enough rounds to out last the zombies, you need a head shoot to take one down. With a good scope you may get the first few dozen, but you would be over run eventually.
Your best hope would be to get to a safe place. Zombies can cross rivers, lakes etc. I would go to a high place that requires technical climbing skills to access. This would be your best bet. But, at high altitudes your food supply would be limited to a short growing season.