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Title: 4th side
Post by: AAolds on January 27, 2008, 02:38:39 PM
Dear HT,

           After having played on all sides, ive come to conclusion we need a 4th side just for squads interested in teamwork.   Im bored of furballs and furballers and I would like to showcase what squad level teamwork can be like.

Any chance?
Title: Re: 4th side
Post by: clerick on January 27, 2008, 02:49:43 PM
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Originally posted by AAolds
Dear HT,

           After having played on all sides, ive come to conclusion we need a 4th side just for squads interested in teamwork.   Im bored of furballs and furballers and I would like to showcase what squad level teamwork can be like.

Any chance?


Right, the magical forth side would be AH utopia?
Title: 4th side
Post by: Treize69 on January 27, 2008, 02:54:02 PM
Why not, 4th Meal is scrumptious!
Title: Re: 4th side
Post by: Spikes on January 27, 2008, 02:54:43 PM
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Originally posted by AAolds
Dear HT,

           After having played on all sides, ive come to conclusion we need a 4th side just for squads interested in teamwork.   Im bored of furballs and furballers and I would like to showcase what squad level teamwork can be like.

Any chance?


OddCAF is always trying to do Squad Co-Ops.
Title: 4th side
Post by: clerick on January 27, 2008, 03:00:32 PM
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Originally posted by Treize69
Why not, 4th Meal is scrumptious!


Hush! You quitter!


:D
Title: 4th side
Post by: MjTalon on January 27, 2008, 03:20:41 PM
There is a 4th.... AvA :D . Try it olds :) .
Title: 4th side
Post by: AAolds on January 27, 2008, 03:23:24 PM
I will eventually, but Im talkin bout a 4th side for the MAs.
Title: 4th side
Post by: Lusche on January 27, 2008, 03:33:18 PM
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Originally posted by AAolds
I will eventually, but Im talkin bout a 4th side for the MAs.


And how exactly should a 4th side improve anything?
You know you will see three countries piling on the fourth instead of two right now...
Title: 4th side
Post by: RoGenT on January 27, 2008, 04:31:43 PM
Although I agree with Lusche, would be nice to see 4th country but set it as a trial basis. If doesn't work out, can always remove it
Title: 4th side
Post by: The Fugitive on January 27, 2008, 04:55:04 PM
I don't think a forth side would solve anything. If you want  show case team work, all you have to do is get a number of "like minded" folk together, and run with it. You said you have been on all teams, did you join mission? Did you post missions? Did you ask if any one runs missions? I know the BOPs run mission on there squad nights and with the numbers they generate its almost like a whole country at times.

The opportunity's there, unfortunately I don't think the player base is. :(
Title: 4th side
Post by: AAolds on January 27, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Lusche
And how exactly should a 4th side improve anything?
You know you will see three countries piling on the fourth instead of two right now...


If the 4th country was restricted to squads only, we could police our ranks and insure the kind of players who are interested in teamwork and squad level operations.  As for the ganging.... I would expect it.
Title: 4th side
Post by: Lusche on January 27, 2008, 05:12:55 PM
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Originally posted by AAolds
If the 4th country was restricted to squads only, we could police our ranks and insure the kind of players who are interested in teamwork and squad level operations.  As for the ganging.... I would expect it.


The overwhelming majority of players are members  of a squad right now. Restricting 4th country to squads only would leave out only a very few players. Thus you shouldn't expect any noticeable change. And how exactly would you "police" the ranks?

Also the free-form gameplay and arnachy is a feature of the MA's. Teamplay or individualist, everybody can find his pleasure there. If you are looking for rules & structures imposed on everyone, theres snapshots, scenarios and especially the FSO.
Title: 4th side
Post by: AAolds on January 27, 2008, 05:28:42 PM
Lots of people are in fake squads that have few active members, such types should not be welcomed to country 4.  As for policing the ranks, quite simple, if your squad ejects you, you are by default ejected from country 4 as well.  

I tried FSO, but my personal life and that of many of my squaddies made it nearly impossible for us to commit to it.  We did like it.  Just the start time is too late for many of our members.

Odds are very high there wont ever be a 4th country as I envision it.  Eventually, I'll just tire of the MAs and how it runs and just stop playing altogether.

End of rant.
Title: 4th side
Post by: MjTalon on January 27, 2008, 05:37:19 PM
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Originally posted by AAolds
Lots of people are in fake squads that have few active members, such types should not be welcomed to country 4.  As for policing the ranks, quite simple, if your squad ejects you, you are by default ejected from country 4 as well.  

I tried FSO, but my personal life and that of many of my squaddies made it nearly impossible for us to commit to it.  We did like it.  Just the start time is too late for many of our members.

Odds are very high there wont ever be a 4th country as I envision it.  Eventually, I'll just tire of the MAs and how it runs and just stop playing altogether.

End of rant.


Bro, i play in the FSO alot, i'm currently flying with the JG/11 for FSO and AvA since as  you said, AA's aren't always free on friday nights, how about you tag along with the JG/11 for frame 3 and see how you like it?
Title: 4th side
Post by: Treize69 on January 27, 2008, 05:37:28 PM
Country 4 only accepts immigration by card-carrying members of secret associations. :noid
Title: 4th side
Post by: waystin2 on January 27, 2008, 05:39:10 PM
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Originally posted by MjTalon
There is a 4th.... AvA :D . Try it olds :) .


Teamwork is a few steps above the MA normal.  Definitely what you are looking for!

Oink
Title: 4th side
Post by: Meatwad on January 27, 2008, 06:10:12 PM
First whine will be "we are getting ganged by 3 sides now"  :rofl
Title: 4th side
Post by: Rino on January 27, 2008, 06:39:35 PM
I think this is a fabulous idea!  Shuffle all you pocket Adolf squeakers
into one country where the rest of us don't have to get ear bleeds listening
to how "stupid" we are to play it your way. :D

     Just think of the possibilities, an 80 man horde trying for 30 minutes
grabbing that undefended V base from those awful furballers :rofl
Title: 4th side
Post by: Spikes on January 27, 2008, 06:57:45 PM
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Originally posted by Treize69
Country 4 only accepts immigration by card-carrying members of secret associations. :noid


My engine ate that.
Title: 4th side
Post by: AAolds on January 27, 2008, 07:50:29 PM
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Originally posted by Rino
I think this is a fabulous idea!  Shuffle all you pocket Adolf squeakers
into one country where the rest of us don't have to get ear bleeds listening
to how "stupid" we are to play it your way. :D

     Just think of the possibilities, an 80 man horde trying for 30 minutes
grabbing that undefended V base from those awful furballers :rofl


It would be nice for us to get away from the likes of you too.  See how long ur stupid furballs last then.
Title: 4th side
Post by: moot on January 27, 2008, 07:57:04 PM
Wasn't this tried in one of the Air Warrior games already?

If anything, one of the three countries should be made of vets, the other two the rest of the players.  But even that wouldn't work.  Telling people where to fly would kill their fun.
Title: Re: 4th side
Post by: Masherbrum on January 27, 2008, 09:40:42 PM
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Originally posted by AAolds
Dear HT,

           After having played on all sides, ive come to conclusion we need a 4th side just for squads interested in teamwork.   Im bored of furballs and furballers and I would like to showcase what squad level teamwork can be like.

Any chance?


"Rooks"? - "check"
"Bishops"? - "check"
"Knights"? - "check"

If a fourth Country is brought forth, they shall be dubbed "Queens".   :D
Title: 4th side
Post by: Xasthur on January 27, 2008, 10:08:22 PM
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Originally posted by AAolds
See how long ur stupid furballs last then.


What about the people who like furballs?

If you want to take bases.... go for it. Taking furball bases is poor form, though.

Think of it this way.... if there are 40 odd people participating in said furball (be they engage, rtb, ib etc) they're all there because they're enjoying the fight.

Say your squad of 10 or 15 guys wants to take one of those furball bases 'because furballing is stupid'.... How is the enjoyment of you and your small group of friends more important than that of the 40+ others who are currently enjoying themselves in the furballs?

If you want to take base go somewhere else.

If you want to stop the horde.... pork the bloody troops and ord instead of taking down the figher hangars.

Lots of people (possibly the majority) don't place a lot of importance on the 'ground war' side of things. It's a side-show to give the game a little more substance.

In short, drop the attitude a little mate, people are not always going to want to play the game your way. Being a furballer doesn't stop anyone from having fun.... being an AH real-estate agent does.

Grab a fighter and have some fun.
Title: 4th side
Post by: AAolds on January 27, 2008, 11:02:46 PM
Xasthur,

            I stay away from furballs and furballers for the most part.  I see no point in flying to a base and not trying to capture it.   It just sucks when people ask for help, such as "please pork the troops" or "hit the Dar", then when we've acheived our goals and more and are  trying to capture, those same people are too busy furballin to help all of the sudden.   Kinda removes that feelin of being on the same team and makes me wish killshooter was not a factor.

Oh well, this is a wishlist, so I made my request.

To those who don't know already.  AA is its own country.   Id play on country 4 all by myself and fight vs. all if the option was available.
Title: 4th side
Post by: moot on January 27, 2008, 11:21:56 PM
Makes you wish killshooter wasn't a factor?
Title: 4th side
Post by: whiteman on January 28, 2008, 02:45:12 AM
AVA is a blast right now. lots of team work since there are goals that must be achieved.
Title: 4th side
Post by: FrodeMk3 on January 28, 2008, 03:48:14 AM
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Originally posted by whiteman
AVA is a blast right now. lots of team work since there are goals that must be achieved.


It makes you wonder if only 2 sides' work better than 3.

However, We're also using a limited planeset in there, that is also side-specific (Rooks/allies, and Bishops/axis, or is it the other way around???) Anyway, a 4th country would make the ENY so much of a PITA, that most would log out of sheer frustration.

And your BBS flame wars' would rage almost out of control, here.

AAolds, in my time in AH, I've been in 2 or 3 squads' that would do a lot of Base-capture type of stuff-Some even involving flying 5 or more sectors' NOE over water to capture a V-base. And always, always, there are people screaming for this or that, things' they think ought to be done to win the war. And you know what? I had more fun simply flying 5 sectors' NOE, just sitting there shooting the **** with my squaddies, than I did augering to run and save some dweeb's ego at a failing base capture.

The best thing for you to do, honestly, is to work on the reputation of your squad, and try to get it's standing high enough with your peers' on the country you have now, so that you can get 2 or 3 squads' to co-operate with you in your goals. Don't try to be an overwhelming leader of your chesspeice, it will only bring you grief. You need to shoot for getting the help of maybe 20% of your country at best. More will rally to you, if your leadership skills' are good enough.
Title: 4th side
Post by: Rino on January 28, 2008, 03:25:57 PM
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Originally posted by AAolds
It would be nice for us to get away from the likes of you too.  See how long ur stupid furballs last then.


There is always offline there schnookums..all those buildings and NO
oppo..sounds like a perfect environment for ya!:aok
Title: 4th side
Post by: Bronk on January 28, 2008, 03:32:12 PM
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Originally posted by Rino
There is always offline there schnookums..all those buildings and NO
oppo..sounds like a perfect environment for ya!:aok

Winna :aok
Title: Re: 4th side
Post by: VansCrew1 on January 28, 2008, 06:45:10 PM
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Originally posted by AAolds
Dear HT,

           After having played on all sides, ive come to conclusion we need a 4th side just for squads interested in teamwork.   Im bored of furballs and furballers and I would like to showcase what squad level teamwork can be like.

Any chance?



I believe that HTC has tried 2 sides and 4 sides but it seems to them that 3 sides are good.