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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: a4944 on January 28, 2008, 05:05:10 PM
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Hi All,
Many of the problems being discussed partly result from the persistent scoring and statistics. Most, not all, care somewhat about their stats and this will influence the type of fights they are willing to engage in and some of the frustration that is channel 200.
I think it would be good to experiment for a month without persistent scoring and stats. The stats can reset each time someone logs in. You can review your last session stats off-line with the web pages.
An alternative would be to give the user a reset button so each individual can choose to reset their stats at any time. There can be qualification that you can't reset your stats if you are going for top spots such as best overall for the month.
I like the alternative solution the best. Why not give each individual the choice of how they manage their stats? A high enough percentage (not all) of the players will start resetting their stats and engage more freely in fights. It takes some pressure off. Maybe people will just reset stats rather than blowing up on 200. Bad night, just reset and forget about it. With the current system, you have to live with that bad night for a month.
The downside is that it will lead to more suicidal tactics. It might be harder to take bases if people keep upping. People may auger more also.
Just a thought on something that could be experimented with for a month or two. I'm happy with the game either way.
Venom
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Originally posted by a4944
Maybe people will just reset stats rather than blowing up on 200.
The people I see blowing up on CH200 each and every day are the ones claiming not to care about score & stats at all ;)
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Just Hide scores till the end of tour. Then let us know how everyone did.
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Ranks, perhaps.
I like to see how many sorties I've actually landed and how my hit % and my kill/D ratio are doing. I don't work at it but I like to see how I'm doing.
Rank doesn't matter but I don't think taking away our percentages will stop anything.
The people who piss and moan on 200 will always find something to continue pissing and moaning about.
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Originally posted by a4944
Hi All,
Many of the problems being discussed partly result from the persistent scoring and statistics.
1) i agree.....most everyone does worry about their score to point......
Most, not all, care somewhat about their stats and this will influence the type of fights they are willing to engage in and some of the frustration that is channel 200.
2) this i think you're only partly right in.....as i've said before in other threads......in fighters, of course i like to win the fight as much as the other guy.....but the main fun for me is the thrill of the fight....furballs get my heart pumping..... put me in a bomber.......and it's all about geting my ordinance on target and getting home....score is a bonus..if there were no score, i'd STILL try to get my buffs home.....and i think there's a lot of other pilots out there that feel the same.
I think it would be good to experiment for a month without persistent scoring and stats. The stats can reset each time someone logs in. You can review your last session stats off-line with the web pages.
An alternative would be to give the user a reset button so each individual can choose to reset their stats at any time. There can be qualification that you can't reset your stats if you are going for top spots such as best overall for the month.
I like the alternative solution the best. Why not give each individual the choice of how they manage their stats? A high enough percentage (not all) of the players will start resetting their stats and engage more freely in fights. It takes some pressure off. Maybe people will just reset stats rather than blowing up on 200. Bad night, just reset and forget about it. With the current system, you have to live with that bad night for a month.
The downside is that it will lead to more suicidal tactics. It might be harder to take bases if people keep upping. People may auger more also.
Just a thought on something that could be experimented with for a month or two. I'm happy with the game either way.
Venom
put me in a bomber.......and it's all about geting my ordinance on target and getting home....score is a bonus..if there were no score, i'd STILL try to get my buffs home.....and i think there's a lot of other pilots out there that feel the same.
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Originally posted by a4944
Hi All,
Many of the problems being discussed partly result from the persistent scoring and statistics. Most, not all, care somewhat about their stats and this will influence the type of fights they are willing to engage in and some of the frustration that is channel 200.
I think it would be good to experiment for a month without persistent scoring and stats. The stats can reset each time someone logs in. You can review your last session stats off-line with the web pages.
An alternative would be to give the user a reset button so each individual can choose to reset their stats at any time. There can be qualification that you can't reset your stats if you are going for top spots such as best overall for the month.
I like the alternative solution the best. Why not give each individual the choice of how they manage their stats? A high enough percentage (not all) of the players will start resetting their stats and engage more freely in fights. It takes some pressure off. Maybe people will just reset stats rather than blowing up on 200. Bad night, just reset and forget about it. With the current system, you have to live with that bad night for a month.
The downside is that it will lead to more suicidal tactics. It might be harder to take bases if people keep upping. People may auger more also.
Just a thought on something that could be experimented with for a month or two. I'm happy with the game either way.
Venom
oooooo...and almost forgot......we NEED people to berate each other and fight and bicker on ch200........what do you think keeps us buff drivers sane on climb-out??:D don't forget..a lanc only climbs around 500-600FPM...ju8's not much better.........we NEED the amusement:rofl
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Gaming the game has come to MW now compliments of Majbuzz. We had a good fight going between cv and 18 so he dive bombed b17s in then bailed lol.
MW far outstrips those types in LW arenas.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Gaming the game has come to MW now compliments of Majbuzz. We had a good fight going between cv and 18 so he dive bombed b17s in then bailed lol.
MW far outstrips those types in LW arenas.
:rofl, you know why I'm laughin'.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
:rofl, you know why I'm laughin'.
You just smoked a big one?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
:rofl, you know why I'm laughin'.
It was his own CV?
donkey
Opps,
EDIT:
I think it would be nice to have the whole "rank" aspect taken away, but the personal stats, ie, K/D, K/H, Hit%, etc kept so as to have something to base progress with. I really can't see how the positive aspects of "rank" outweigh the negative ones. In fact, could someone enlighten me on the positive aspects of rank?
I used to play a lot of Halo 2 on XBOX Live a few years ago. Exposed rank totally ruined the game. There were "stand-byers," modders, and bridgers, which by themselves ruined any fun there was to be had, because they wanted a higher rank. A parallel of some sorts can be drawn with that and AHII, although I would like to state how well HTC has kept his serves, in my experience, totally "cheat" free.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Gaming the game has come to MW now compliments of Majbuzz. We had a good fight going between cv and 18 so he dive bombed b17s in then bailed lol.
MW far outstrips those types in LW arenas.
you can dive bomb in B17's????:O
hell, i can't dive bomb in planes that're SUPPOSED to be dive bombers.....for me it's level bombing all the way..........:aok
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Originally posted by a4944
Hi All,
Many of the problems being discussed partly result from the persistent scoring and statistics. Most, not all, care somewhat about their stats and this will influence the type of fights they are willing to engage in and some of the frustration that is channel 200.
Venom
You used 2 words that truly define the reality in this paragraph. "Partly" and "Some". Where as "Many" emphasises a misnomer.
In actuality "many" is the prolific repetitive text of the few over the silent majority. Being caught low and slow, ganged where they are more than likely to be ganged, face shot by a newbie or just plain can't catch a runner will inevitably be a precursor to the 200 tirade. By your implication most players are scorers which is not the case. Implication leading to assumptive reasoning of why a guy runs or just won't fight the fight. Why there's back handed insults towards the foe. Goading, chastising or face saving doth not make every recipient a scorer.
"Partly" and "some" in reality can be attributed to the scorers over the vast majority of incidences. Simple maths here. Many player over some scorers. Yer, OK someone could can spout off about percentages over blah blah but the fact remains the same. Some guys won't fight your fight or stay and spray. It's my experience 90% the problem as you call it is by, forgive the expression, ..."no names".
As to the switch score off idea I'm left pondering about CV command because in my mind, that's the only thing score is good for. Stats on the other hand are useful but like score it to can be manipulated by those inclined to do so. Trading the word scorer for stat in future insults will not influence anyones flying ability or lack off.;)
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wow lynx. my head hurts after reading that :)
leave the scores/stats/rank alone i say. its just another aspect of the game i personally find enjoyable. for me its a challenge to see how low i can get my rank. but seeing how its hard to run from a fight, i'll never see #1. oh well. thing is, i'm having a blast trying. :)
S!
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I'm recommending a reset score/stats button that can be pressed at any time. There would be no change if you never hit the reset button. It would be the same as today. You can't use the reset if you want to go for honors at the end of the month. Basically, hand over the management and resetting of score to the individual player.
An analogy of what I'm proposing is like traffic. If 10%-20% of people have a day off for an obscure holiday then I typically notice that the traffic to work flows very well. If 10-20% of the people stop caring about stats, perhaps that will lead to more agressive fighting overall.
Think about it. Would you play slightly more aggressive if you were resetting stats after every session? I think there is potential here for better fights.
Venom
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Originally posted by Lusche
The people I see blowing up on CH200 each and every day are the ones claiming not to care about score & stats at all ;)
"Claiming" being the key word here
#S#
Banshee7
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Originally posted by a4944
Think about it. Would you play slightly more aggressive if you were resetting stats after every session?
No.
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I really doubt the majority of people who do not engage in a fight do so because of their rank. I think it has a lot more to do with confidence, plane match-up, E status, fuel remaining, ammo remaining and a host of other factors.
I would bet that if rank were taken away you would see little to no difference in the arenas other than the loss of some of those who do like to play for score/rank. It is, afterall, a game, and most games have some type of scoring system.
I'm just curious why you're so worried that someone ran from you anyway? I count those as unrecorded wins.
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There's nothing wrong with keeping score, its making the information public that f@%$'s things up.
I would like to see a penalty imposed from bailing from a flyable aircraft, perhaps a 5 minute wait before re-upping.
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Originally posted by VERTEX
There's nothing wrong with keeping score, its making the information public that f@%$'s things up.
I would like to see a penalty imposed from bailing from a flyable aircraft, perhaps a 5 minute wait before re-upping.
And that would make people much more reluctant to engage in any fight.
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Why?
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The scoring system would remain exactly the same. The only difference is that people could choose to reset at any time. It's individual choice. The thought is that a percentage of people (not all) would become more agressive and this would show up in overall game play.
Venom
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I really doubt the majority of people who do not engage in a fight do so because of their rank.
I cannot count the times I've typed on 200 "So and So is running." Guess what? They usually turn around to save face. Most DO NOT engage because of their rank.
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Originally posted by FireDrgn
Just Hide scores till the end of tour. Then let us know how everyone did.
This idea has some potential.
Also, why not keep hidden who killed you and who you killed until end of tour, then have detailed list available.
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Score and rank have nothing to do with what or the way I fly.
Main is just a place to fly, talk with a few old friends, and if I'm lucky get a kill or 2. My main focus has always been Friday night FSO.
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I'm glad I consider real life more important than this.
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Originally posted by thndregg
I'm glad I consider real life more important than this.
Real life is a myth.
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Never understood why HT post the scores each tour on the Homepage.
Might of been cool in the old days when you could stamp your initials on the top of the "highest scores" at the corner shop arcade game. But I'm sure we've (except a few) have moved on from there.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Score and rank have nothing to do with what or the way I fly.
Main is just a place to fly, talk with a few old friends, and if I'm lucky get a kill or 2. My main focus has always been Friday night FSO.
Roger that! What does a low score get you anyway? A low AHII score and a buck will get you a cup of coffee.
I suck and my score is in the top 10%:rolleyes: There are ALOT of people here who are excellent sim sticks who would own me in a second that have terrible looking scores. Go figure.
I could play alot more/harder and get my score really low, but what would that get me? I would get laughed out of my work/bar/friends' house if I brought up how well I was doing at a video game.
To me, and what I feel is a majority of others, this is a fun way to kill time, unwind and communicate with some online friends who share the same passion for WWII aircraft.
Stop paying so much attention to scores and I guarantee you will find it much more enjoyable.