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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FX1 on January 30, 2008, 08:06:49 PM
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Thought my Winchester 101 12ga could use a little sister. Its a Beretta Silver pigeon 28ga king ranch edition. Sorry for the pics but some sob helped himself to my laptop, camera and about 1k worth of electronic crap off my desk at the office..
(http://thumb18.webshots.net/t/50/750/5/79/24/2802579240053956438EQqMuZ_th.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2802579240053956438EQqMuZ)
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Enjoy the new gun, I hear those are very nice!
Here is my newest… It’s an 1873 Springfield trapdoor 45/70cal. All original, with a real good bore. I bought it at an estate auction last week.
45/70 black powder rounds run about a buck and a half apiece. But I already cast all of my own bullets for my muzzleloaders. So now I just need to get a mold for this caliber and the equipment to load black powder cartridges. Should be able to get everything I need for about sixty dollars.
(http://www.filenanny.com/files/4690141cf359b3528/gun1.JPG)
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Originally posted by FX1
Thought my Winchester 101 12ga could use a little sister. Its a Beretta Silver pigeon 28ga king ranch edition. Sorry for the pics but some sob helped himself to my laptop, camera and about 1k worth of electronic crap off my desk at the office..
Hard to tell in the pic, is that an over/under?
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Trieze,
Yup that's a stack barrel, a true gentleman's sporting arm. I love them for hunting and clay busting.
Papabear,
Please be very careful with that old timer, the metallurgy wasn't as good as it is today and it would be a shame to blow it (and yourself) up with a too hot load. Trap doors were weak actions and the falling trap actions much more robust. If I had the $ and was living in a stationary location I'd love to get a Sharps, even a replica to shoot in 45-70.
FX1,
Congrats on the new scatter gun. I hope it does very well for you in the field and range.
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PaPaBear you just made me drool all over myself. If its one thing in life I love its an original Springfield trapdoor rifle.
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http://www.berettausa.com/product/spotlight/spotlight_kingranch_main.htm
link to their web page..
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One of my best friends just walked in to the shop the other day, and brought me a nice little Model 70 in .270 Winchester, 24" barrel, 3x9 scope, composite stock, and target crown barrel. A couple years ago, when my Model 670 300 Magnum was down, he picked up a nice Model 70 30-06 for me. I'm developing quite a collection of Model 70 bolt action rifles. Between what he buys and what I buy, I need a new safe. Right now I'm working on picking up a Garand, and after that I'm going to build an AR-10.
The Winchester Model 70 is back by the way, now made in Columbia SC. Has a new MOA trigger, and all of them are now controlled round feed.
I'm going to have to get back to work on the handgun collection soon, a few autoloaders, and maybe some more big monster magnum revolvers. But if I come in to some big money, I want a Thompson and a BAR.
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I have a M-70 in .375 H&H. I had to turn the country inside out to find one. Finally I had to buy one from a guy in Texas.
I took about 15 animals with it in Africa. Boy its a thumper. Maybe Ill take it next time I go elk hunting.
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I'm still trying to find a Beretta automatic pistol (forget the designation, its basically a US Army M9) in .45 that isnt a rattletrap. I've found two that I wouldn't dare fire, no good ones yet.
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Very Nice!
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Originally posted by Treize69
I'm still trying to find a Beretta automatic pistol (forget the designation, its basically a US Army M9) in .45 that isnt a rattletrap. I've found two that I wouldn't dare fire, no good ones yet.
It's a Model 92 Beretta. I had one. I've shot dozens. They suck. Beretta should have given Mel Gibson $10 million, for using one in "Lethal Weapon". Because they've made at least that much on that piece of crap since.
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I loved the Beretta I had in the Army, but I won't go any smaller than .45.
I didn't even know that was what Riggs carried, I just figured it was the usual 9mm.
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I can't justify any need for either of these rifles, but that doesn't stop me from lusting after a Remington R-15 VTR CS carbine in .223 and/or a Remington 750 Woodmaster carbine in .308, or maybe .30-06, or even .35 Whelen.
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Originally posted by FX1
Thought my Winchester 101 12ga could use a little sister. Its a Beretta Silver pigeon 28ga king ranch edition. Sorry for the pics but some sob helped himself to my laptop, camera and about 1k worth of electronic crap off my desk at the office..
Berettas are indeed things of beauty, and they shoot great too. My Beretta shotguns are my most treasured guns:
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(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/390deluxea.jpg)
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
The Winchester Model 70 is back by the way, now made in Columbia SC. Has a new MOA trigger, and all of them are now controlled round feed.
i hope they are making them better now than they made the model 70 featherweight lemon i bought new 11 years ago. 6" groups straight out of the box was hardly impressive.
i only hung on to it because i have a soft spot for winchesters and i figured i would be able to fix it.
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Originally posted by Excel1
i hope they are making them better now than they made the model 70 featherweight lemon i bought new 11 years ago. 6" groups straight out of the box was hardly impressive.
i only hung on to it because i have a soft spot for winchesters and i figured i would be able to fix it.
The new Winchester 70 rifles will have a 1 MOA accuracy guarantee.
However, suggested retail price for the different models will run from $999 to $1,199 For just $100 more, one could buy a Kimber instead.
The price of new guns is becoming outrageous.
SIG 220
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Some nice firearms to be sure!
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Originally posted by Treize69
I loved the Beretta I had in the Army, but I won't go any smaller than .45.
I didn't even know that was what Riggs carried, I just figured it was the usual 9mm.
The Beretta in "Lethal Weapon" was a regular 92 in 9MM. I've tried a bunch of them and never been satisfied. And chambering it in 45ACP won't help what was wrong with it. I've found the 92 design itself to be weak and inaccurate. It doesn't have failure to feed or failure to eject jams too often, but it just doesn't shoot well, it gets tired and loosens up easily, and over all just doesn't live up to the hype.
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Originally posted by Excel1
i hope they are making them better now than they made the model 70 featherweight lemon i bought new 11 years ago. 6" groups straight out of the box was hardly impressive.
i only hung on to it because i have a soft spot for winchesters and i figured i would be able to fix it.
All of my Model 70 rifles have shot well. We'll see about the 270 soon. I've never seen Winchester fail to fix a problem like yours, provided you go back to Winchester. My 30-06 had problem when I got it. The bluing salts had not been cleaned out of the bolt, and that screwed up the bolt and the safety. They fixed it right the first time when I sent it back, and paid the shipping. Don't take one back to the store though, the store ships them to a repair shop. Mine came back unrepaired. When I notified Winchester, they jumped through hoops to get it and fix it. This was less than 6 months before they closed the old plant.
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Originally posted by Papabear
Enjoy the new gun, I hear those are very nice!
Here is my newest… It’s an 1873 Springfield trapdoor 45/70cal. All original, with a real good bore. I bought it at an estate auction last week.
45/70 black powder rounds run about a buck and a half apiece. But I already cast all of my own bullets for my muzzleloaders. So now I just need to get a mold for this caliber and the equipment to load black powder cartridges. Should be able to get everything I need for about sixty dollars.
(http://www.filenanny.com/files/4690141cf359b3528/gun1.JPG)
Is this the gun Custer's men were using?
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Is this the gun Custer's men were using?
Yes, it was the weapon in use at that time. However Custer’s men being cavalry would have used the carbine version, with a shorter barrel and cut down stock.
I’ve since ordered a lee loader in this caliber, and some new 45/70 brass. I just need to order the right bullet mold.
If you’ve never seen a (hammer operated) Lee loader in action, this is kind of interesting… It’s a slow process, but real black powder dirties a gun up rather quick so I’ll probably only shoot a few rounds at a time from this thing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwr0FyJOk-4
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Originally posted by SIG220
The new Winchester 70 rifles will have a 1 MOA accuracy guarantee.
However, suggested retail price for the different models will run from $999 to $1,199 For just $100 more, one could buy a Kimber instead.
The price of new guns is becoming outrageous.
SIG 220
yeah guns are getting very expensive.
exchange rate differences and shipping charges bloat the prices we pay in new zealand to painful levels. when i bought my model 70 in 1997 it cost me the equivalent of u.s$780, which i thought at the time was pretty reasonable, but the price range you quoted for the new model 70's would likely equate to u.s$1,500 to u.s$1,700 which as you say is not far away from the price of a top-end hunting rifle like the kimber. a new kimber montana sells for about u.s$1,800 in nz. and if you want a semi auto like the springfield m1a you are going to need a fat wallet because it will set you back u.s$2,100.
anyway it's good to hear that the model 70 has made a comeback, even if it's a little on the pricey side.
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Originally posted by Treize69
I loved the Beretta I had in the Army, but I won't go any smaller than .45.
I didn't even know that was what Riggs carried, I just figured it was the usual 9mm.
In that case you might like the new FNP-45, made at the same factory in South Carolina as the new Winchester Model 70. It holds 14 +1 rounds of .45 ammo!
(http://64.184.32.112/cmmg_images/tbl_images/FN_Training/DSC09116.JPG)
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
All of my Model 70 rifles have shot well. We'll see about the 270 soon. I've never seen Winchester fail to fix a problem like yours, provided you go back to Winchester. My 30-06 had problem when I got it. The bluing salts had not been cleaned out of the bolt, and that screwed up the bolt and the safety. They fixed it right the first time when I sent it back, and paid the shipping. Don't take one back to the store though, the store ships them to a repair shop. Mine came back unrepaired. When I notified Winchester, they jumped through hoops to get it and fix it. This was less than 6 months before they closed the old plant.
unfortunately i couldn't rely on winchester to get my rifle fixed
i bought my model 70 from a shop that imported it direct from the u.s, so it was not sourced from the authorised nz winchester agent. i saved at least $100 on the deal but the downside was that there was no compulsion on the nz winchester agent to honour any winchester warranty, as there would have been if the rifle had of been sourced from them.
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Must be nice to have money to buy those. :cry
Anyone want a Coach gun in 12ga. and a .45LC six shooter?
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Odee,
I'd like them but I doubt I can afford them. I keep toying with the idea of getting into the Cowboy shooting gig. I've got one Ruger now in .45 LC but I'd still need a rifle in a pistol caliber. sigh.....
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I do love my marlin in 45-70.. Nothing like the large push of the old Buffalo round. Most of my hunting with the marlin is "pigs on the run" if we cant get close to use the 12ga.. Reloading the 45-70 is very straight forward and you can cook up some pretty hot loads. I do like the lever revolution that Hornady has been making.
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Stop all this talk of 45-70's!!!!!!
I have too many guns as it is. Damnit... I don't need a 45-70 and what would I do with it and.... how much is the marlin one?
lazs
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$500 New.. The stainless one is around $600..
I got the guide gun and love it. You do need to replace the recoild pad if your going to be shooting the PMC +P+. I do have a couple boxes minus 1 round if you like recoil.. I will never shoot that short gun with those hot hot loads.
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Yeah I like the marlins. I had the guide gun shortie chambered in 450 Marlin but I gave it away to my Pro Hunter in Africa after he put me on about 10 record book critters on one safari.
I have the stats written down somewheres but basically he put my son and I on record book warthog, an Eland, waterbuck, an Impala that looked like a Mule Deer, a monster wildebeest, and others. He absolutely loved that guide gun and it was perfect for the African bush so I just gave it to him.
I figured I'd eventually get a 45/70 guide gun but haven't so far. I do love that cartridge tho.
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Originally posted by Maverick
I'd like them but I doubt I can afford them. I keep toying with the idea of getting into the Cowboy shooting gig. I've got one Ruger now in .45 LC but I'd still need a rifle in a pistol caliber. sigh.....
if i was you i would consider rossi-puma. their winchester 92 replicas have a reputation of being well made as well as being affordable. they are very popular with cas shooters in nz. i have never used one but i recently checked out the stainless .454 casull 20" barrelled version in a gun shop and was impressed by the slick action. it was noticeably smother than my slicked-up winchester 94, and the rossi can be made even slicker yet by someone competent enough to work on them.
there's plenty of choices in handgun calibres( including .45colt) with the rossi plus three barrel lengths.. 16" 20" and a 24" octagonal barrel, with most of them available in either blued or stainless steel.
http://www.ampro.co.nz/products/rossi/rossi.htm
http://www.legacysports.com/products/puma/index.html
although it's not really applicable to cas, another plus with the rossi 92 is the strength of the 92's action. it's much stronger than the contemporary winchester 94 action for instance. it has to be, to handle the .454's 60,000psi+ chamber pressure. I have heard of the rossi 92 in .45 colt loaded and used safely past the pressure point that would be to much for the .44mag winchester 94.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Odee,
I'd like them but I doubt I can afford them. I keep toying with the idea of getting into the Cowboy shooting gig. I've got one Ruger now in .45 LC but I'd still need a rifle in a pistol caliber. sigh.....
You can pick up any number of nice lever guns in revolver calibers for a reasonable price. You can also get either a replica pump or side by side shot gun on a budget as well. The expense in cowboy action shooting is in the ammunition, not the guns. I have fooled with it some, my brother is into it hardcore. I can probably tell you anything you want to know.
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I would love a pump 44 mag if they would ever make one..
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I just bought a henry in 44 mag.
lazs