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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SkyRock on January 30, 2008, 11:20:40 PM
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is worse than any other arena I've ever encountered! Pathetically puking gutless blobs of skillessness, infested with HO/RUN twits, and lacking honorable character!:rolleyes:
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Like I said, that lake is a beacon to attract the riff-raff so those using the DA to actually Duel won't be bothered by them.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
is worse than any other arena I've ever encountered! Pathetically puking gutless blobs of skillessness, infested with HO/RUN twits, and lacking honorable character!:rolleyes:
WOO
You forgot the BnZ spixteens :]
Always fun to up a p47d-25 and watch em swarm you then start saying stuff about hamsters vaccumme tubes and toothpaste when you shoot em all down :]
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That place is crap.
Find someone over the lake and settle for a one on one and some idiot blazes in to pick you. I've even been "vulched" on the runway.
lol
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Originally posted by SkyRock
is worse than any other arena I've ever encountered! Pathetically puking gutless blobs of skillessness, infested with HO/RUN twits, and lacking honorable character!:rolleyes:
I stopped going there because it was so bad. You forgot to mention the pick tards that can't leave a good 1 on 1 alone.
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:rofl
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Originally posted by SkyRock
is worse than any other arena I've ever encountered! Pathetically puking gutless blobs of skillessness, infested with HO/RUN twits, and lacking honorable character!:rolleyes:
Sounds about right.... I keep going back, but I can't stand it for more than one sortie, and end up leaving right away (or begging for a nice duel).
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Squeakers and the DA = ****.
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pssst, Stang is padding his score in DA :P
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
pssst, Stang is padding his score in DA :P
You on right now?
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Originally posted by Fianna
You on right now?
just logged
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see Rule #7
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Just dot F next time, I'll drop anything in AH for a good duel
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I just logged on.
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Originally posted by Murdr
Like I said, that lake is a beacon to attract the riff-raff so those using the DA to actually Duel won't be bothered by them.
It would be nice to have an area like the lake and surrounding bases but fights kept 1v1. I like upping not knowing who the pilot is and what plane I will encounter. Just don't like having a fight ruined.
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I encountered an la7 pulled his 6 and nose down he went and ran.......forever. I broke off and saw a spit16 coming in high 10 oclock, I nosed down a little for some speed, and the fella went for the HO and I went over the top and pulled his 6.....he ran......and stik stirred back to his base and drug me through ack! Both excuses were either low on ammo or low on fuel. So when did that matter in the DA? I mean if you dont have fuel or ammo to fight, then immediately auger so that noone wastes their time thinking you want to fight. It was like they were trying to land. Damn, if you want to practice landing, go offline! Disgusting!:furious
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I encountered an la7 pulled his 6 and nose down he went and ran.......forever. I broke off and saw a spit16 coming in high 10 oclock, I nosed down a little for some speed, and the fella went for the HO and I went over the top and pulled his 6.....he ran......and stik stirred back to his base and drug me through ack! Both excuses were either low on ammo or low on fuel. So when did that matter in the DA? I mean if you dont have fuel or ammo to fight, then immediately auger so that noone wastes their time thinking you want to fight. It was like they were trying to land. Damn, if you want to practice landing, go offline! Disgusting!:furious
Yeah but how does it make you feel?
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Just dot F next time, I'll drop anything in AH for a good duel
Most of the time is his pants, but hey :aok
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You guys forgot the 262s coming in from other bases
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Originally posted by WWM
It would be nice to have an area like the lake and surrounding bases but fights kept 1v1. I like upping not knowing who the pilot is and what plane I will encounter. Just don't like having a fight ruined.
Same here. If I see more then 10 people in the DA (especially when it's at the 30's) I won't even think of stopping in.
donkey
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Originally posted by WWM
It would be nice to have an area like the lake and surrounding bases but fights kept 1v1. I like upping not knowing who the pilot is and what plane I will encounter. Just don't like having a fight ruined.
Sounds like you want the DA back the way it used to be. Funny how instead of HT punishing the troble makers, he punished the guys that were behaving by changing the DA to what it is today. Scary to think what the fix will be now.
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At last we see the motive of why dedalos the first post. He wants kill shooter off.
The dueling arena is not being used as a duel, but rather you want the dueling arena used as a quick furball arena.
I believe it being used this way and the complaints was why I turned kill shooter on in the first place.
A very simple fix is for me to turn all radar off, that way if you use the fields as intended no one will know where you are on the map. And hence you can just move to where no one will bother you.
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Originally posted by hitech
A very simple fix is for me to turn all radar off, that way if you use the fields as intended no one will know where you are on the map. And hence you can just move to where no one will bother you.
That may/would probably help the problem some what, but unless you can have some people in there that can enforce certain rules, guidelines, and discipline over the all channel the DA will most likely continue to be just as "dweeby" as ever.
Just my 2c.
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Thats pretty sad for a DA. A lot of this is pretty sad for an MA, let alone a DA. I dont blame Dedalos, and others, for being pissed.
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Originally posted by hitech
A very simple fix is for me to turn all radar off, that way if you use the fields as intended no one will know where you are on the map. And hence you can just move to where no one will bother you.
I really like this idea. I think it would be easy to hide from the tards.
So, if that's the case, then it wouldn't hurt to turn killshooter back on as well! That way, we well behaved dueler folks would be able to have very quick and easy fights without being disturbed. :aok :D
:noid
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I really like this idea. I think it would be easy to hide from the tards.
So, if that's the case, then it wouldn't hurt to turn killshooter back on as well! That way, we well behaved dueler folks would be able to have very quick and easy fights without being disturbed. :aok :D
Still don't think this will work. If you have enough people it will usually result in a furball. That's why IMO some form of H2H capability should exist.
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Originally posted by hitech
At last we see the motive of why dedalos the first post. He wants kill shooter off.
The dueling arena is not being used as a duel, but rather you want the dueling arena used as a quick furball arena.
I believe it being used this way and the complaints was why I turned kill shooter on in the first place.
A very simple fix is for me to turn all radar off, that way if you use the fields as intended no one will know where you are on the map. And hence you can just move to where no one will bother you.
My motive is to be able to go there and have a duel with out being interrupted constantly. If there is no other fix, yes, I want kill shooter off so I can protect my self. Don't let your personal feelings about me obstruct your reading. Read my posts. There is no secret motive.
"The dueling arena is not being used as a duel, but rather you want the dueling arena used as a quick furball arena. "
I have no clue what you are saying there. I have no problem with the quick furball nor with duels. I just don;t like having duels interrupted in a constant basis.
Turning dar off will make it worse. People will be going to fields occupied by others not know ing who to engage or not.
You seem to know my motives. What are yours for not making it a rule that the DA fields (not the FB area) are only for prearranged duels and those duels are not to be interrupted just because it is fun to do so?
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Originally posted by hitech
I believe it being used this way and the complaints was why I turned kill shooter on in the first place.
Ohhh, wait, I think I translated your post correctly this time. You are saying that I don't really care about the duels and I am posting only because I want kill shooter off right?
:rofl Yeah, you know me very well. Have you ever been in the DA to see what is going on?
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Originally posted by hitech
A very simple fix is for me to turn all radar off, that way if you use the fields as intended no one will know where you are on the map. And hence you can just move to where no one will bother you.
Sometimes we have 2 vs 2 or many vs many. It's nearly impossible to find each other without radar.
Long ago we had MOTD with basics. That worked pretty well.
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Just an idea for the free-for-all furballers:
It would work in the DA (with a dedicated area added to it) except for one part.
*Kill shooter is off
*Air starts
*Max. downwind set to start 5k under the air starts (this is what would conflict with the rest of the Duel Arena)
*Corridors as tight as the terrain editor will alow at cardinal points (N, S, W, E, and NE, NW, SE, SW too if possible) that channel into a square medium-large furball area.
I'd add the old clouds in which you can't see beyond point blank, just in case it's possible to fly up to the spawns despite the downwind, but that might get on some people's nerves. Players that don't know how to fly blind, or people that fly in the arena and it's airspawn shafts for the first time.
It's a pretty gamey setup, but it fits the audience and is the only way I see to keep vulchers away from the spawn points. 5 seconds of arcade flight and the rest of the sortie is non stop furballing like in the old, small free for all H2H maps, which frankly were never equaled in that regard.
It could work with less than all the anti-vulch features (e.g. just the air starts on a small enclosed arena), but that's just to brainstorm out loud.
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Originally posted by moot
Just an idea for the free-for-all furballers:
It's a pretty gamey setup, but it fits the audience and is the only way I see to keep vulchers away from the spawn points. 5 seconds of arcade flight and the rest of the sortie is non stop furballing like in the old, small free for all H2H maps, which frankly were never equaled in that regard.
It could work with less than all the anti-vulch features (e.g. just the air starts on a small enclosed arena), but that's just to brainstorm out loud.
What if you offerd H2H with a higher player limit at an additional chg, players could set up their own duels and invite or boot anyone they wanted, players will be happy as they can make maps, chg rules as they please and HTC gets a new source of revenue, Win,WIN.
Player limits?, I'd suggest ten over squad limit
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Sometimes we have 2 vs 2 or many vs many. It's nearly impossible to find each other without radar.
Long ago we had MOTD with basics. That worked pretty well.
Weren't you the other problem in the DA? :lol
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Originally posted by hitech
At last we see the motive of why dedalos the first post. He wants kill shooter off.
The dueling arena is not being used as a duel, but rather you want the dueling arena used as a quick furball arena.
I believe it being used this way and the complaints was why I turned kill shooter on in the first place.
A very simple fix is for me to turn all radar off, that way if you use the fields as intended no one will know where you are on the map. And hence you can just move to where no one will bother you.
But then, you would not be able to tell if there were players at those bases already either, so you could avoid them. It would basically be impossible to tell if an area was open and available for your duel.
Quite the dilemma.
I had thought that the area where people are furballin is the place where they were supposed to furball. Killshooter off, killshooter on, I really dont see where it matters much. Interference will still occur.
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Originally posted by yanksfan
What if you offerd H2H with a higher player limit at an additional chg, players could set up their own duels and invite or boot anyone they wanted, players will be happy as they can make maps, chg rules as they please and HTC gets a new source of revenue, Win,WIN.
Player limits?, I'd suggest ten over squad limit
We've put forth some suggestions, at this point it's all speculation as to which ones are good until HT gives his opinion :)
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Originally posted by moot
We've put forth some suggestions, at this point it's all speculation as to which ones are good until HT gives his opinion :)
He did! There is no problem. I just want kill shooter off.
There is one fix only. Make it a rule and have a penalty for it. Everything else will fail one way or another.
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I just don't understand why HiTech can't assign several "trainer types"for the DA also. I'm willing to bet you'd find plenty who wouldn't even want the free subsciption for it.
It would be so easy to set a clear MOTD and then allow several players to enforce it. No need to change anything that way.
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Exactly.
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That is exactly why the TA is such a pleasent arena to relax in. Someone screws up and they get a warning then a .eject
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Dud I posted a thread about it yesterday in the wishlish forum. Has not seem to gotten a lot of response yet though.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=225431
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if 1v 1 DA fields were set up to be an 'instance' only the invited group members would be in it. That would prevent interlopers, and the members of the group could have killshooter off.
No I don't know how to code this, but it is a function in games like DAOC.
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
if 1v 1 DA fields were set up to be an 'instance' only the invited group members would be in it. That would prevent interlopers, and the members of the group could have killshooter off.
AW had an instanced duel mode. Was buggy as hell.
ack-ack
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Why is there even a furball lake with three fields on it? That sort arrangement only encourages a type of free for all that Skyrock doesn't care for, and indeed, probably doesn't belong in the DA anyway.
I recently accepted someone's "invitation" to the DA, and he wanted to fight at Furball Lake instead of any of the nearly 20 other fields where no one was present and the merge area is clearly defined. Why? WHY? DEAR GOD WHY?!?!
It seems to me if you're looking for a truly clean 1 on 1 duel, you shouldn't be flying in Furball Lake. Call out on CH200, see if anyone's interested, and then decide to fly elsewhere. Problem solved.
-Llama
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
AW had an instanced duel mode. Was buggy as hell.
ack-ack
Yah....and those were some FUN bugs!!! :D
What could work is to have an AW style "duel mode" available ONLY in the DA. It would stop the uninvited from interfering and since it would be unavailable outside the DA, the potential for bug abuse would be limited.
(AKAK...remember HT's 'invisible' flak panzer??? :D
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
What could work is to have an AW style "duel mode" available ONLY in the DA.
Been asking for such a thing for years. Even suggested alternative spins on it, like using the radio channels to set up an "instance only" killshooter_off.
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Originally posted by llama
Why is there even a furball lake with three fields on it? That sort arrangement only encourages a type of free for all that Skyrock doesn't care for, and indeed, probably doesn't belong in the DA anyway.
I recently accepted someone's "invitation" to the DA, and he wanted to fight at Furball Lake instead of any of the nearly 20 other fields where no one was present and the merge area is clearly defined. Why? WHY? DEAR GOD WHY?!?!
It seems to me if you're looking for a truly clean 1 on 1 duel, you shouldn't be flying in Furball Lake. Call out on CH200, see if anyone's interested, and then decide to fly elsewhere. Problem solved.
-Llama
Re-read my original post, wasn't looking for a one vs one, just a fight!:aok On both occasions, the guys either HOd or run or both!
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The DA is only fun at night with less than 20 people on.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Just dot F next time, I'll drop anything in AH for a good duel
Anything?
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honestly, if 2 people wanted to truly have a dogfight on equal terms ( or more than 2 ), and was honest about it. It really does not matter which arena you go to. You agree for a guns cold 1st merge, you agree upon plane types, fuel load, and alt......
The key factor in all of this seems to be communication..........and then education ( educating the newer flyers who tend to interfer! )
if you see a flyer trying to interfer, go to private 1 to 1 tuned VOX and set the sucker up for a drag and let the other guy you was 1 vs 1 or ( any number vs any number ) kill them.......then have your fight...
as for SkyRock's runtard ack draggers.........seriously SkyRock, you yourself know how to deal with them! smack em down until they get the message, fight or leave......
NOTE - the damn link is missing at bottom of page where it says CLICK HERE to view all replies ( this thread has more than 40 replies ).......
most people who go to the DA, are their to fight yes, so if you have a problem, work together ( Team Work ) to rid yourself of the dweebs that want to ruin your fighting experience.
as for setting up some type of MOD system, for the DA it is quiet hard to do, because their is not one person or group of people who DA exclusively and fly only in the DA and no where else.
All CM / AvsA / Training Staff would not want to be PM'ed repeatedly why they were in the TA, or in flight in another arena, or in an event to drop what they were currently doing just to run and smack some griefer down or eject them, .....
losing RADAR has already been mentioned as to why it would be a bad idea.....
one thing about the furball lake, with all the pickers / gangers etc..it does help to improve one's SA ( situational Awareness ) skills....... and can even help you practice for KOTH, for those that fly KOTH..because you never know what to expect.......
sorry for long post, but like I mentioned before, if you are serious about good fights, then work together with your opponent to insure your fight is done as agreed upon......
Well 1 Edit: perhaps maybe those annonymous Moderators might have some type of cross arena messaging system to where if a report was posted ( ie .report in these undercover /annonymous MODS might be able to go and take care of the problem without anyone knowing ? doubtful though.........only way to really do a MOD for the DA is to make it public who the MOD is , kind of like the Big SHERIFF and give them a and bwana privs to inact his powers on griefers and do it publically.....this approach might straigten out the DA arena to where people get the idea...but the older ong time players are the ones who should encourage cooperative gameplay and teach / mold the newer players to use good gamemanship to have more and better quality of fights in the DA.....
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TC, do the trainers exclusively fly in the TA? No right? Some come in the DA in shades creating problems, so I don't understand your point on the MODs not being able to be there all the time. The idea is that you wont know if one was on or not.
It is simple. If it is a rule, all I have to do is film it, send it in, and repeated offenders will be dealt with. I am not paying to spent time chase any one away.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I just don't understand why HiTech can't assign several "trainer types"for the DA also. I'm willing to bet you'd find plenty who wouldn't even want the free subsciption for it.
It would be so easy to set a clear MOTD and then allow several players to enforce it. No need to change anything that way.
Gee, where have we heard this idea before??? Oh, yea. Back when HiTech turned Killshooter on and completely dissed this idea, among others. Several people volunteered to help police the DA, especially if an MOTD was posted like in the TA that could be refered to as the 'official' rules. People didn't even need ejection priviledges, but could simply inform the perp about his bad behavior with some authority, film the transgressor, the submit to HiTech for proper action. No go. Much easier to just avoid the whole problem by using the sledgehammer-against-mosquito tactic.
That's right. I remember now. HiTech's solution to policing the DA was to stop the bad behavior of about 1-2% of the people who used the DA (and most of those were two-week freebies) by punishing everyone and killing the DA by turning Killshooter. If 3 or 4 people were going to disrupt the DA from time to time such that people actually COMPLAINED to HiTech while drinking his latte, then the obvious fix is to spoil everyone's day, permanently.
Gee, any questions where I stand on this. LOL
:furious
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#1 - TC, do the trainers exclusively fly in the TA? No right? that is correct
#2- Some come in the DA in shades creating problems : are you saying Trainers do this? or anyone comes in in shades in general? yes people do cause problems in the DA, I am not saying they do not. if it is on a continous basis, then yes I would film it and send it in, and the continous problem brats should possibily lose their privledge to fly in Aces high for maybe 1 month perhaps? or a set predetermined ban time, until they learn, possibly? what you think?
#3-so I don't understand your point on the MODs not being able to be there all the time. The idea is that you wont know if one was on or not.
: Ded, I think I offered another suggestion to this, for HTC to pick a few to rotate in and out of the DA, with visible "HTC or Aces High DA POLICE" tags so the griefers would no instantly that BS is being looked for, to curtail any disrupts...
#4 - from my understanding, and I am only guessing here, but MODS are not online in every arena 100% of the time. so the same would apply for the DA arena, how would you make sure , correction, how can HTC make absolutely sure that there will be a MOD in the DA 100% of all the time......impossible unless they hire someone to do it......if they was gonna do that then might as well make the DA Lawman public, to stop the BS to begin with......
I did add to my original post, saying there might be a way for those annonomous moderators to maybe receive a cross arena feature of the .report command showing what arena it originates from and who the report is about, but in doing so, it would not be long before people started figuring out who was a mod and who was not........false reports and enough of them , then we all could easily figure out who is showing up to handle the problem......
that is my take on it anyhows.......
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
#1 - TC, do the trainers exclusively fly in the TA? No right? that is correct
#2- Some come in the DA in shades creating problems : are you saying Trainers do this? or anyone comes in in shades in general? yes people do cause problems in the DA, I am not saying they do not. if it is on a continous basis, then yes I would film it and send it in, and the continous problem brats should possibily lose their privledge to fly in Aces high for maybe 1 month perhaps? or a set predetermined ban time, until they learn, possibly? what you think?
#3-so I don't understand your point on the MODs not being able to be there all the time. The idea is that you wont know if one was on or not.
: Ded, I think I offered another suggestion to this, for HTC to pick a few to rotate in and out of the DA, with visible "HTC or Aces High DA POLICE" tags so the griefers would no instantly that BS is being looked for, to curtail any disrupts...
#4 - from my understanding, and I am only guessing here, but MODS are not online in every arena 100% of the time. so the same would apply for the DA arena, how would you make sure , correction, how can HTC make absolutely sure that there will be a MOD in the DA 100% of all the time......impossible unless they hire someone to do it......if they was gonna do that then might as well make the DA Lawman public, to stop the BS to begin with......
I did add to my original post, saying there might be a way for those annonomous moderators to maybe receive a cross arena feature of the .report command showing what arena it originates from and who the report is about, but in doing so, it would not be long before people started figuring out who was a mod and who was not........false reports and enough of them , then we all could easily figure out who is showing up to handle the problem......
that is my take on it anyhows.......
I am just saying you don't need a mod all the times. You just need the fear that one may be on or the email to HT. Right now, they are not doing anything wrong. They are actually encouraged to do it since the only response from HT was that this is all about me wanting kill shooter off. I guess no one else complained about it :rofl
As far as the trainer comment, no reason to create confusion. We all know who it is. Ask BadBoy what he thinks. Now, if he knew this was against the rules I am sure he would not be doing it would he?
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Originally posted by Domin
Anything?
Well, anything my wife will allow me to....
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I agree 100% with SkyRock on this one.
I dislike the MA now because of the huge maps and nothing but 15k alt monkey looking for picks and noting but score crazy players afraid to get killed in fear of ruining their score. Not to mention the long flight times.
So when the DA furball come out I was hooked. In the beggining it was great fun. Some 1v1 and a little 4v4 action too. One could fly around alone on the edge of the lake looking for a 1v1 or fly to the center for the multi con fight.
But now it is infested with nothing but gangbanging pickers. No one respects a 1v1 now. You can be way far way from everyone else in a nice fight and as soon as that is spotted by another player he just comes in and starts picking the slow plane. Friendlys dont even ask anymore.
Perhaps a smaller radar circle around the center...just a little smaller than the water to indicate the "multi engagement area". If you go in the circle you can expect to get ganged. I know the zeros like to fly like this. But if you are looking for a smaller fight...1v1 or 2v2 then stay out of the circle. This way you know which players want 1v1 and which players want gangbang play. Seems like a really simple solution. Of course some will disrespect this rule as there will always be some dweeb to ruin any good idea. But I think it might work. Besides how hard would it be to make simple circle on the map.
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Originally posted by Agent360
I agree 100% with SkyRock on this one.
I dislike the MA now because of the huge maps and nothing but 15k alt monkey looking for picks and noting but score crazy players afraid to get killed in fear of ruining their score. Not to mention the long flight times.
So when the DA furball come out I was hooked. In the beggining it was great fun. Some 1v1 and a little 4v4 action too. One could fly around alone on the edge of the lake looking for a 1v1 or fly to the center for the multi con fight.
But now it is infested with nothing but gangbanging pickers. No one respects a 1v1 now. You can be way far way from everyone else in a nice fight and as soon as that is spotted by another player he just comes in and starts picking the slow plane. Friendlys dont even ask anymore.
Perhaps a smaller radar circle around the center...just a little smaller than the water to indicate the "multi engagement area". If you go in the circle you can expect to get ganged. I know the zeros like to fly like this. But if you are looking for a smaller fight...1v1 or 2v2 then stay out of the circle. This way you know which players want 1v1 and which players want gangbang play. Seems like a really simple solution. Of course some will disrespect this rule as there will always be some dweeb to ruin any good idea. But I think it might work. Besides how hard would it be to make simple circle on the map.
i agree with agent on this good idea,
i have had some fun in the da usualy i die but im getting better at 2 vs 1
or 3vs1 im not looking for too much more than that.
but i know if i meet agent i get a good fight either way.
i too fly on the outskirts most of the time,
only agravating thing about this is if there is only a few players on say 6 and you are one on one nine times out of ten tehy will fly all the way across the map to pick the winner, (if you finish fast enough)
but its good when there are three or four different fights going on at the same time. you finish your fight and go join another lol:D
:D
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Originally posted by dedalos
Ask BadBoy what he thinks.
I saw the other thread you started and agree with you. I think you are absolutely right, if you are a enjoying a good 1v1 there is nothing worse than having it interrupted by somebody who thinks it is a free for all.
Sorry it happened to you the other day, it wasn't me.
Badboy
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What if there was something put in like AW had. For those who doesn't know, AW didn't have a DA. Just a command for dueling. For example if I wanted to duel XXXX, it would be .duel XXXX
Now I'm not saying to get rid of DA. But what if we could use something like this, to where only those who were invited by that command would be able to see those dueling.
We never had to worry about people jumping in and ruining fights, and it was rather simple. Soon as you accepted the duel, you were in "dueling mode" and the whole map just went blank like you were in an arena all by yourself, and no one could see you either.
Just a thought...
Looks like this was already brought up lol... oops :)
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Originally posted by goober69
but i know if i meet agent i get a good fight either way.
+1
It's always been the same in the MA, most stick with the hordes take or defend bases. But if your willing to sacrifice number of kills per hour for quality you can find good fights around the edges of main furballs and other likely interception points.
At any time on either country you get to know who the other 1v1 sticks are and roughly where they might be.
Anyway that's what I try look for, off peek of course you have no choice they find you. :D
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Badboy
I saw the other thread you started and agree with you. I think you are absolutely right, if you are a enjoying a good 1v1 there is nothing worse than having it interrupted by somebody who thinks it is a free for all.
Sorry it happened to you the other day, it wasn't me.
Badboy
Ohhh, you the funny one :aok
Tell us about your vulch-fests in the DA also, or cursing on vox, or coming in with a different name trying to start a fight. Don't be shy
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Originally posted by dedalos
Ohhh, you the funny one :aok
Tell us about your vulch-fests in the DA also, or cursing on vox, or coming in with a different name trying to start a fight. Don't be shy
:rofl
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Originally posted by dedalos
Tell us about your vulch-fests in the DA
The only thing I can hold my hands up to is what you call a "vulch-fest" but I have only ever done that in retaliation for the very thing you are posting about. I admit that before killshooter, when the same person repeatedly interrupted a duel, and after I had warned them what would happen, I would try to stop them from upping until they got the message. With some of the persistent griefers it was the only way to get through to them. Often it worked and they didn't interrupt duels anymore, sometimes it only made things worse. Yes I know it was wrong, but we all get frustrated at the kind of interference you have described. Unfortunately, by taking the law into my own hands, others would arrive after the original offense and only witness the retaliation, so it appeared to some as though I was dirtier than the true culprits. In my case it really was only retaliation for the players who enjoyed spoiling those high quality fights we all cherish.
As I said before, I understand where you are coming from, almost anyone who uses the DA for any length of time has experienced it. When it happened to me I preferred to take it up with the individual concerned. If it happened in the arena, I chose to deal with it in the arena. You clearly prefer to vent on the boards.
I really haven't had any problems since kill shooter has been on, so if you are trying to blame someone for your current problems in the DA you are shooting way off target on this one.
Badboy
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Originally posted by Badboy
The only thing I can hold my hands up to is what you call a "vulch-fest" but I have only ever done that in retaliation for the very thing you are posting about. I admit that before killshooter, when the same person repeatedly interrupted a duel, and after I had warned them what would happen, I would try to stop them from upping until they got the message. With some of the persistent griefers it was the only way to get through to them. Often it worked and they didn't interrupt duels anymore, sometimes it only made things worse. Yes I know it was wrong, but we all get frustrated at the kind of interference you have described. Unfortunately, by taking the law into my own hands, others would arrive after the original offense and only witness the retaliation, so it appeared to some as though I was dirtier than the true culprits. In my case it really was only retaliation for the players who enjoyed spoiling those high quality fights we all cherish.
As I said before, I understand where you are coming from, almost anyone who uses the DA for any length of time has experienced it. When it happened to me I preferred to take it up with the individual concerned. If it happened in the arena, I chose to deal with it in the arena. You clearly prefer to vent on the boards.
I really haven't had any problems since kill shooter has been on, so if you are trying to blame someone for your current problems in the DA you are shooting way off target on this one.
Badboy
selective memory is a wonderful thing. Do you remember calling me an fn foreigner and then vulchimg me because I told some one "here he goes again?" Meaning you flaming someone on 200? I bet you don't.
The point I try to make is that the trouble makers are rewarded and the people asking for help get flamed :aok
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Badboy, If I'd be you, I'd stop digging. It may open huge can of worms.
You know, like Gunzo and Badboy teaming up in TA. I had some 5 hours worth on film. Maybe I still have them somewhere...
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Badboy, If I'd be you, I'd stop digging. It may open huge can of worms.
You know, like Gunzo and Badboy teaming up in TA. I had some 5 hours worth on film. Maybe I still have them somewhere...
lol, I should have some of the Gunzo films too. He knows though, thats why the polite response to my post.
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Originally posted by dedalos
selective memory is a wonderful thing. Do you remember calling me an fn foreigner and then vulchimg me because I told some one "here he goes again?" Meaning you flaming someone on 200? I bet you don't.
The point I try to make is that the trouble makers are rewarded and the people asking for help get flamed :aok
Are you talking about the Brit Badboy that makes the EM charts? If so, very uncharacteristic of him.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Are you talking about the Brit Badboy that makes the EM charts? If so, very uncharacteristic of him.
ack-ack
More like typical behavior in my experience. Ask Creton, Bighorn, etc. Maybe he has a a dual personality :rofl
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Originally posted by dedalos
selective memory is a wonderful thing. Do you remember calling me an fn foreigner and then vulchimg me because I told some one "here he goes again?" Meaning you flaming someone on 200? I bet you don't.
Nope, I don't remember that, but I'm no angel, so if that's what happened I would like to offer my sincere apology.
The point I try to make is that the trouble makers are rewarded and the people asking for help get flamed
As I've already said, I agree with you. You have chosen to deal with it differently than I would have, but I understand your reasons, so good luck with it.
Badboy
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Wait is this the BadBoy I am thinking of?
Taser=Dingbat=Wildduck=Badboy??
If it is badboy he is always running his mouth in the DA under one name or another.
Wasn't he also the one who used to wing with the muppets on one computer then use his other computer to hunt them down?
Or am I thinking of someone else?
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Originally posted by Husky01
Wait is this the BadBoy I am thinking of?
Taser=Dingbat=Wildduck=Badboy??
If that's who this "Badboy" is, it's definitely not the original BadBoy that I was referring to. The Badboy I was referring to was an old time AW and WB player and is the one that creates the EM charts we all love so much as well as being a writer for SimHQ. Doesn't sound like the BadBoy you guys are talking about.
ack-ack
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The BadBoy thats in AH is the same one that is a trainer who is also the same one who did the EM charts and flew AW.
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noone will ever "really" know the truth about said individual. Why not ask him in this thread to name some of his shades names?
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"Wasn't he also the one who used to wing with the muppets on one computer then use his other computer to hunt them down?"
:lol
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Originally posted by Agent360
I agree 100% with SkyRock on this one.
I dislike the MA now because of the huge maps and nothing but 15k alt monkey looking for picks and noting but score crazy players afraid to get killed in fear of ruining their score. Not to mention the long flight times.
So when the DA furball come out I was hooked. In the beggining it was great fun. Some 1v1 and a little 4v4 action too. One could fly around alone on the edge of the lake looking for a 1v1 or fly to the center for the multi con fight.
But now it is infested with nothing but gangbanging pickers. No one respects a 1v1 now. You can be way far way from everyone else in a nice fight and as soon as that is spotted by another player he just comes in and starts picking the slow plane. Friendlys dont even ask anymore.
Perhaps a smaller radar circle around the center...just a little smaller than the water to indicate the "multi engagement area". If you go in the circle you can expect to get ganged. I know the zeros like to fly like this. But if you are looking for a smaller fight...1v1 or 2v2 then stay out of the circle. This way you know which players want 1v1 and which players want gangbang play. Seems like a really simple solution. Of course some will disrespect this rule as there will always be some dweeb to ruin any good idea. But I think it might work. Besides how hard would it be to make simple circle on the map.
As long as folks build their ego's around their online pilot, it's not going to change. As long as folks continue to see their name in lights and get their 'attaboys", it's not going to change. As long as folks think they can't possibly lose a fight fairly, it won't change. As long as folks can find a way to get under the skins of other players, it won't change. As long as folks keep coming into the game in a bad mood, having had too much to drink, or some other reason to be cranky, it won't change.
Best bet is to sit back and enjoy the game for what it is, and when those 1 v 1s happen, enjoy em for what they're worth.
That or you remove kills landed messages, scores and 200. Fights would be quieter, but it might give folks more reason to 'risk' their virtual lives in a decent fight without worrying about their virtual ego or 'reputation' as a super duper cartoon pilot :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
That or you remove kills landed messages, scores and 200. Fights would be quieter, but it might give folks more reason to 'risk' their virtual lives in a decent fight without worrying about their virtual ego or 'reputation' as a super duper cartoon pilot :)
I beg to differ.
Most of the foul-mouthed comments and constant whining after being shot down comes from those guys not flying for score (at least they claim they do not, accompanied by occasional tirades against those who happen to have a "better" score, whatever that means)
EGO and it's bad consequences isn't tied to rank, score or whatever. It's rooted in the personality of that guy in front of the screen and was there even before he joined AH.
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yea, last time I went this guy was flying aronud at 20k bnzing in a zero.. would not fight unless he started with alt adv. very sad, it's not like it was his first sortie.
I can understand the dweebs who just installed the game. Least they come at you and don't run away unless they're in a superior turning plane with all sorts of advantages.
As soon as I take off I dive hard to the deck.. I thnk that was the whole point of it, yet I see people who just autoclimb up to 20k.. WHY? get the fk down n furball. theres elevated alt so you can get into the fights quick I thought...
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Originally posted by Lusche
EGO and it's bad consequences isn't tied to rank, score or whatever. It's rooted in the personality of that guy in front of the screen and was there even before he joined AH.
True!
Good defensive flying yesterday Lusche. We were giving you the old 190 treatment and Gab was in a Yak. You must have near ran out of fuel in the spit 16 and I finished you off.
We did a good job of holding the line over your Rook field until that CV got too close.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
True!
Good defensive flying yesterday Lusche. We were giving you the old 190 treatment and Gab was in a Yak. You must have near ran out of fuel in the spit 16 and I finished you off.
Yup, I was dry so I had to land... when some weak skill-less 190 dweeb picked me off.
Typical boring BnZ game that lame 190 pilots are known for :D
(Sorry that I didn't whine on CH200 as proper AH etiquette demands ;))
But seriously, you did play your strengths well. I was constantly trying negate to your alt/E advantage, but any given time there was at least one of you still higher and coming in on my six...:furious :aok
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Originally posted by Lusche
I beg to differ.
Most of the foul-mouthed comments and constant whining after being shot down comes from those guys not flying for score (at least they claim they do not, accompanied by occasional tirades against those who happen to have a "better" score, whatever that means)
EGO and it's bad consequences isn't tied to rank, score or whatever. It's rooted in the personality of that guy in front of the screen and was there even before he joined AH.
Just for the record, just because you do not "hear" someone does not mean they do not have an ego the size of texas, on the contrary, it sometimes is the reason they will not come down and play!
For myself, if I get a good fight out of someone, I will tell them, if I get nothing but cowardly dweebery, they'll get an ear of it!:aok
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More about what I think the proper play for the DA furball should be.
I took this new addition to the DA as a way of meeting up for fights. Before this you had to wait at a field watching the text buffer. When someone came on one had to type endlessly to this person/persons to get there attention to ask for a fight. But most of the time they were meeting someone already. So more waiting. And it was all strictly private fight.
The real advantage to furball lake it there is now a place to find some instant action. A place to make introductions and get into some good fights. From here one can find people to private dual 1v1 if they wish. It has helped get more people in the DA.
But not everyone wants to go to a private field and fight the same person over and over. The furball is the best fo both worlds.
The problem: There is a perception that Furball Lake is a miniature Main Areana where there are no rules of any kind, no etiquett, no honor, no respect, gangbang anybody fest.
I submit to everyone that Furball Lake is located in the DUALING AREANA....(pounds fist on desk and sais it again very louldly) And as such the fights here should have some sort of etiquett. One major rule that should be followed is "respect a 1v1" no matter how many people are there.
The lone enemy dot flying over land is not an invitation for every con in the area to descend upon in salivating gangbanging frenzy. In fact this person is most likely trying to draw a single con over for a good fight.
I say if you want Main Arena action with no rules then go there. But If you come into the DUALING arena please try to have some mannors/respect for the people there looking to engage in fun fights.
I have suggested a simple informal rule: Those who want to multi-con fight (aka "gangbang") do so over the lake. Those who are looking for 1v1 or 2v1 type of fights do so over the land. So if you see a dot or two avoiding the lake or already engaged over land leave them alone until there is a winner. If they are not engaged then by all means fight.
If you are looking to furball it up in a zeek or spit then go to the center of the lake and have fun. Those over the lake are fair game.
Those over the land are not wanting to get picked. They are looking for some quality fights and fun.
We have so many areana's. Two MA's, AVA, and a few more. I just can't understand why we have to treat the DA furball the same way as the MA.
I never played the free H2H. But i would pay to have a private room where I could have moderator control and give out passwords. If I had this we would have a quality DA furball in no time.
But alas it is not to be so. And I am afraid no matter what I say, or you say or anybody sais Furball Lake will continue to be infested with children who only want to cause trouble and "counter strike bunny hop" around blocking spawn doors and the like.
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Originally posted by Agent360
More about what I think the proper play for the DA furball should be.
I took this new addition to the DA as a way of meeting up for fights. Before this you had to wait at a field watching the text buffer. When someone came on one had to type endlessly to this person/persons to get there attention to ask for a fight. But most of the time they were meeting someone already. So more waiting. And it was all strictly private fight.
The real advantage to furball lake it there is now a place to find some instant action. A place to make introductions and get into some good fights. From here one can find people to private dual 1v1 if they wish. It has helped get more people in the DA.
But not everyone wants to go to a private field and fight the same person over and over. The furball is the best fo both worlds.
The problem: There is a perception that Furball Lake is a miniature Main Areana where there are no rules of any kind, no etiquett, no honor, no respect, gangbang anybody fest.
I submit to everyone that Furball Lake is located in the DUALING AREANA....(pounds fist on desk and sais it again very louldly) And as such the fights here should have some sort of etiquett. One major rule that should be followed is "respect a 1v1" no matter how many people are there.
The lone enemy dot flying over land is not an invitation for every con in the area to descend upon in salivating gangbanging frenzy. In fact this person is most likely trying to draw a single con over for a good fight.
I say if you want Main Arena action with no rules then go there. But If you come into the DUALING arena please try to have some mannors/respect for the people there looking to engage in fun fights.
I have suggested a simple informal rule: Those who want to multi-con fight (aka "gangbang") do so over the lake. Those who are looking for 1v1 or 2v1 type of fights do so over the land. So if you see a dot or two avoiding the lake or already engaged over land leave them alone until there is a winner. If they are not engaged then by all means fight.
If you are looking to furball it up in a zeek or spit then go to the center of the lake and have fun. Those over the lake are fair game.
Those over the land are not wanting to get picked. They are looking for some quality fights and fun.
We have so many areana's. Two MA's, AVA, and a few more. I just can't understand why we have to treat the DA furball the same way as the MA.
I never played the free H2H. But i would pay to have a private room where I could have moderator control and give out passwords. If I had this we would have a quality DA furball in no time.
But alas it is not to be so. And I am afraid no matter what I say, or you say or anybody sais Furball Lake will continue to be infested with children who only want to cause trouble and "counter strike bunny hop" around blocking spawn doors and the like.
Well said agent; and the first part is why I came to the DA and spend almost 100% of my time there, but now I barely go there at all because of what it has become (and you pretty much described it acurately). I log in and if I see double digits in there I just skip over it.
But then again, who could take a 109 dweeb seriously?:aok
donkey
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Originally posted by RumbleB
yea, last time I went this guy was flying aronud at 20k bnzing in a zero.. would not fight unless he started with alt adv. very sad, it's not like it was his first sortie.
I can understand the dweebs who just installed the game. Least they come at you and don't run away unless they're in a superior turning plane with all sorts of advantages.
As soon as I take off I dive hard to the deck.. I thnk that was the whole point of it, yet I see people who just autoclimb up to 20k.. WHY? get the fk down n furball. theres elevated alt so you can get into the fights quick I thought...
well when i take off i usualy will climb to at least 10 k cause most everyone else does. + my plane performes a little better when i have time to build up some e to start with.
lol bout the only time ill end up over 12k is if i go afk for a min to use the bathroom or get a drink.
had a little fun in there yesterday climbed up to 12k in a jug got in a great turning fight with a pony, only reason i won is i made him overshoot and he made the msitake of slowing down enough so i could follow him up.
da can be fun ive met some good folks in there and 1v1 ed a few of them,
other than that even though it gets anoying getting picked all the time, ive improved sa to where i can actualy avoid the bnz guy for quite a while, or i can handle a 2on1 when i keep my e superior and make them blow theirs.
but id say da is much nicer place when 10-15 players are on.
yes i ocasionaly take up a tempest lol its fun to be the picker for a change sometiems. (i also like that i can push my luck with it without loosing perks)
but i regularly fly the p47 nik and spit 8 mostly.
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Originally posted by Agent360
More about what I think the proper play for the DA furball should be.
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But alas it is not to be so. And I am afraid no matter what I say, or you say or anybody sais Furball Lake will continue to be infested with children who only want to cause trouble and "counter strike bunny hop" around blocking spawn doors and the like.
Have to agree with you Agent, human nature will again prevent a good set of engagement rules in there. Been back in the game a few weeks , and the furball area has been a good place to get some flying/gunnery practice etc , but quality fights are about as rare as in the MA. Had some luck skirting the edges and bumping into some good fights , but anywhere near the middle is a cherry-pick fest ( usualy the same names - I could list the flying styles of the usual suspects in there)