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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: yanksfan on January 31, 2008, 08:02:49 AM
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If they came up with H2H arenas that you could have say 35 people or so join, I would be happy to pay another $15. a month for it.
Set up add ons to your acct., H2H could be one of them, heck they used to give it away free, if I could set an arena up and have 35 or so of my friends join it and do as we please in there, that would be worth another $15 to me.
And it would be an untapped source of revenue to HTC, people who don't want to host an arena and aren't interested don't have to opt for the add on charge, they could even charge an additional $ 2. or $3. a month for anyone who would like to fly in the Paid H2H arenas, these charges could be all elective add on's to your acct.
It would basically be the same way you add additinal channels to your cable service.
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Yanksfan:
I may be wrong, but I suspect the biggest problem with H2H wasn't its being free. I think it was a matter of the intensive supervision it required, and the small size of the HTC staff. I seem to remember that HT said he viewed it as a marketing tool which ended up getting dropped because it cost more (in headaches and employee time) than it was worth.
Charging for it would remove its marketing plus completely, and since its not the core product for a company with limited production resources, I suspect its gone for good.
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HTC staff did mention they were considering bringing it back for a fee of $5 a month.
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This belongs in the Free Mulitiplayer forum.
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There is no longer a Free Multi Player forum.
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$5 a months would be about right for what H2H is about. What is really needed is a select few monitors that can recognize players that don't be long in our community. I was one of the first to point out to Hitech what was going on. To this day i still think that one bad apple could have been picked and H2H would still be around.
Give some old vets the ability to set up servers. This will allow hitech to sleep at night knowing that their is some level of knowledge and consistency instead of a rat 13 year old kid playing with their code.
What H2H had was the ability to create a fight on custom maps and not allow people that wouldn't play by the host rules.
I would be more than happy to help out for a project to bring back H2H..
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Originally posted by Husky01
There is no longer a Free Multi Player forum.
you shouldnt have said anything. just let him think he knows everything
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Originally posted by Simaril
Yanksfan:
I may be wrong, but I suspect the biggest problem with H2H wasn't its being free. I think it was a matter of the intensive supervision it required, and the small size of the HTC staff. I seem to remember that HT said he viewed it as a marketing tool which ended up getting dropped because it cost more (in headaches and employee time) than it was worth.
Charging for it would remove its marketing plus completely, and since its not the core product for a company with limited production resources, I suspect its gone for good.
Actually what i'm suggesting would be an option you could sign onto, that would let you set up a H2H room as B4.
Except rather then the 8 player limit it would have a higher limit so as to let an entire squad plus a few in.
The rest of H2H would be as it was B4, that way U could boot anyone you wanted to, and only let those in with your permission.
H2H was great for filming in piticular. but it's just a thought.
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Originally posted by Husky01
There is no longer a Free Multi Player forum.
That's exactly his point.
:aok
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Originally posted by yanksfan
If they came up with H2H arenas that you could have say 35 people or so join, I would be happy to pay another $15. a month for it.
Set up add ons to your acct., H2H could be one of them, heck they used to give it away free, if I could set an arena up and have 35 or so of my friends join it and do as we please in there, that would be worth another $15 to me.
And it would be an untapped source of revenue to HTC, people who don't want to host an arena and aren't interested don't have to opt for the add on charge, they could even charge an additional $ 2. or $3. a month for anyone who would like to fly in the Paid H2H arenas, these charges could be all elective add on's to your acct.
It would basically be the same way you add additinal channels to your cable service.
I really don't care HOW they do it (HTH Hosting)...just DO IT. :) I had a conversation with the "powers that be" back in Oct. of last year and he indicated that "It is not beyond the realm of possibility we would offer 8 player to paying subscribers". SO, don't be surprised IF sometime in the "not too distant future" HTH returns in one form or another...just hope it returns before my "arthur-i-tis" prevents ANY game play:(
dentin :aok
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Originally posted by Husky01
There is no longer a Free Multi Player forum.
That's the point.
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Originally posted by Stang
That's exactly his point.
:aok
Doh, didn't see your response :lol
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If this $5 was added to my $16.03 a month, I'd say no... Unless it came with a B-29, He-111, A26, and a Christen Eagle II. :aok
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Originally posted by kilz
you shouldnt have said anything. just let him think he knows everything
Hi. I'd like you to meet my friend. His name is Sarcasm. You must not have met him before.
He's a great friend of mine. We are usually together, like Clinton (either one) and integrity. Teddy and Chappaquiddick's Safest Driver of the Year award. Britney and discretion. Skyrock and humility.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
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Originally posted by FX1
...I would be more than happy to help out for a project to bring back H2H..
Same here, the only contribution I can't make at the time being is coding. That knowledge doesn't exist in this head.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Hi. I'd like you to meet my friend. His name is Sarcasm. You must not have met him before.
He's a great friend of mine. We are usually together, like Clinton (either one) and integrity. Teddy and Chappaquiddick's Safest Driver of the Year award. Britney and discretion. Skyrock and humility.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
GAH i can't wait till this guy gets PNGed from the Boards
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Originally posted by Simaril
Yanksfan:
I may be wrong, but I suspect the biggest problem with H2H wasn't its being free. I think it was a matter of the intensive supervision it required, and the small size of the HTC staff. I seem to remember that HT said he viewed it as a marketing tool which ended up getting dropped because it cost more (in headaches and employee time) than it was worth.
Charging for it would remove its marketing plus completely, and since its not the core product for a company with limited production resources, I suspect its gone for good.
The problem was that the arenas were hosted by the players not HTC. The only way it would work is if HTC hosted the arenas. I could be wrong but I doubt that would happen.
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I really miss building & hosting custom maps. That was half of my AH fun. The Terrain Editor forum is all but dead now. I thinks it's worth an extra $5 per month or so.
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Originally posted by Banshee7
GAH i can't wait till this guy gets PNGed from the Boards
You're kidding, right?
[edit: PM coming]
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Heh, I guess a dry wit, sense of humor and sarcasm deserve a PnG?
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Originally posted by Husky01
There is no longer a Free Multi Player forum.
He knows that. :)
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Yanks,
you dont have 35 friends,prolly dont even know 35 people.:O
but then what do I know,I'm a hotard......:lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by morfiend
Yanks,
you dont have 35 friends,prolly dont even know 35 people.:O
but then what do I know,I'm a hotard......:lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl
Sheeesh, My frosty friend from the great white north:aok
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Originally posted by Banshee7
GAH i can't wait till this guy gets PNGed from the Boards
PNG'd for what? Saying something that rubs you the wrong way?
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Originally posted by USRanger
I really miss building & hosting custom maps. That was half of my AH fun. The Terrain Editor forum is all but dead now. I thinks it's worth an extra $5 per month or so.
Or $5 a month for H2H-only subscribers. No extra fee for MA subscribers.
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I hate to interrupt the very intriguing conversations that are going on but I'd like to respond to the OP...
Paid H2H would be a welcome addition, sortof like EA's option of renting your own Battlefield server. Might be just what the doctor ordered for the old AvA members.
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Paid H2H is possible but HTC has to develop a new COAD that automatically bans people who does something illegal with the software, kinda like the anti-cheat code used on Counterstrike.
Man I miss hosting plane matchups with ultra-realism settings.
(this is 1k3 btw from H2H :) )
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Originally posted by republic
I hate to interrupt the very intriguing conversations that are going on but I'd like to respond to the OP...
Paid H2H would be a welcome addition, sortof like EA's option of renting your own Battlefield server. Might be just what the doctor ordered for the old AvA members.
This is just a friendly hint... DO NOT MENTION EA! Lots of anger still hangs around about how EA bought and killed AirWarrior.
May EA and all it's extended family burn in hades!
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by USRanger
I really miss building & hosting custom maps. That was half of my AH fun. The Terrain Editor forum is all but dead now. I thinks it's worth an extra $5 per month or so.
I'd cough up an extra $5.00 per month for an H2H arena that was launched through the AH server so we wouldn't have that suspicous crap that doomed the previous version of H2H.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
I'd cough up an extra $5.00 per month for an H2H arena that was launched through the AH server so we wouldn't have that suspicous crap that doomed the previous version of H2H.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
Yah, that's the only way it WOULD come back, running on HT-controlled-owned-operated servers. Not sure how one would be able to define 'host' though
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GAH i can't wait till this guy gets PNGed from the Boards
So, just do you your own "PNG" by adding him to your ignore list.
Once you do so, it's like he never even posted - unlike other boards I've been on that show you that the ignored player posted but don't show you the post - this one you don't even show that he posted - it's like he doesn't exist.
Except when someone quotes him (as you did, for example), that is - then I see his message in the message where it's quoted.
But once you decide that some smacktard is never, ever going to add anything of value whatsoever to any conversation that you'll be ever want to engage in, just set him to ignore and forget him.
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Originally posted by Denholm
HTC staff did mention they were considering bringing it back for a fee of $5 a month.
i would pay that
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You guys just don't get it, H2H that you knew will never come back. IF, and thats a big "if" HTC brings back a smaller arena version the game, there will NOT be a "host" like when people use to host the game. The game will be on HTC servers so that they can maintain control of security. By doing that you willno longer have the control of the arenas like you did. They may give over some arena settings, but I think that would just be asking for trouble.
So what your going to get is pretty much like what you have in the DA at "furball island" no control on whos in and whos out, the same dweebery that you have now there with people coming in only to try and spoil other peoples fun. Doesn't sound anything like what some of you called H2H, and alot like those rooms run by the "kids" and "hackers" that lost your H2H in the first place.
Enjoy !
Pony up the $15, eat one less pizza a month, come join the fun !
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
You guys just don't get it, H2H that you knew will never come back. IF, and thats a big "if" HTC brings back a smaller arena version the game, there will NOT be a "host" like when people use to host the game. The game will be on HTC servers so that they can maintain control of security. By doing that you willno longer have the control of the arenas like you did. They may give over some arena settings, but I think that would just be asking for trouble.
So what your going to get is pretty much like what you have in the DA at "furball island" no control on whos in and whos out, the same dweebery that you have now there with people coming in only to try and spoil other peoples fun. Doesn't sound anything like what some of you called H2H, and alot like those rooms run by the "kids" and "hackers" that lost your H2H in the first place.
Enjoy !
Pony up the $15, eat one less pizza a month, come join the fun !
Dam dude, i'm totally bummed now,
:(
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i also miss the maps of 8 player. i also think 36 players would be great. i dont c y there should be a hosting issue,it could b the same as before. i dont c y they would have to charge more for it but any way it would b nice to c h2h back 4 paying members.
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Just an idea, since I know of a game that uses this idea with great results.
How about HTC gets a few people they trust that can afford to setup a server that will run perhaps 12 hours a day. Get a few of these servers together and give the guys their, "Shifts". Say perhaps at 7:00 P.M. Server A goes offline and Server B takes over and performs a 12:00 hour shift. Then at 7:00 A.M. Server B goes offline and server A comes online for the 12:00 hour shift.
Now here is where it gets interesting and would probably allow something similar to the old H2H. These servers would allow up to 5 games to be hosted on them. You simply would choose the game name, then the game terrain, and launch the game. It would then launch a game on the selected server and the person who launched it would have control over the server (settings, rules, and controlling the server)
However, if necessary, the trusted person who is hosting the server(s) can monitor the arena remotely or join a "neutral region." The neutral region could act as a lobby until there's room to join a team. From here people could chat with each other until they get a chance to join a team. Also this would allow the server administrator to resolve any issues or ban players from the game being played.
Not only would this system allow the old H2H to return. HTC could rest at ease knowing a "trusted person" is hosting the server and controlling it.
Of course I know to make this suggestion operational would take a lot of work, however it's a suggestion to give HTC options. The game which uses this method is called, "Free Allegiance."
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Originally posted by Denholm
Just an idea, since I know of a game that uses this idea with great results.
How about HTC gets a few people they trust that can afford to setup a server that will run perhaps 12 hours a day. Get a few of these servers together and give the guys their, "Shifts". Say perhaps at 7:00 P.M. Server A goes offline and Server B takes over and performs a 12:00 hour shift. Then at 7:00 A.M. Server B goes offline and server A comes online for the 12:00 hour shift.
Now here is where it gets interesting and would probably allow something similar to the old H2H. These servers would allow up to 5 games to be hosted on them. You simply would choose the game name, then the game terrain, and launch the game. It would then launch a game on the selected server and the person who launched it would have control over the server (settings, rules, and controlling the server)
However, if necessary, the trusted person who is hosting the server(s) can monitor the arena remotely or join a "neutral region." The neutral region could act as a lobby until there's room to join a team. From here people could chat with each other until they get a chance to join a team. Also this would allow the server administrator to resolve any issues or ban players from the game being played.
Not only would this system allow the old H2H to return. HTC could rest at ease knowing a "trusted person" is hosting the server and controlling it.
Of course I know to make this suggestion operational would take a lot of work, however it's a suggestion to give HTC options. The game which uses this method is called, "Free Allegiance."
HTC has never been known to be "trusting" when it comes to anything having to do with the game, and righly so. H2H was shut down due to some people getting in to the adjustments HTC allowed and tweaked them to "cheat". I don't think you'll see him give up controls again.
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HTC is trusting to some extent, they give permissions to the CM team and certain people in the AvA.
Once again, only a suggestion. Never expected it to happen.
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Originally posted by yanksfan
Dam dude, i'm totally bummed now,
:(
Hey, no reason to be "bummed"...there's ALWAYS hope. :) As was told to me and I quoted in a previous msg re: this re-ocuring thread of HTH :
"It is not beyond the realm of possibility we would offer 8 player to paying subscribers"
So, light a candle, burn some incense, OR bone-up on your VooDoo skills.:rofl
dentin :aok