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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Denholm on February 04, 2008, 05:07:10 PM
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After seeing the great success of the, "Caption This" threads. I decided to try out the success of another line, "Debate Session".
Today's debate topic, Electrocution Theories.
If there is a high percentage of voltage discharged into a boiling body of water just a few feet from you and you stick your hand just a few inches above the steam evaporating from the body of water that got struck.
Would you be electrocuted?
Information:
The voltage released into the body of water was caused by a bolt of lightning.
The voltage was released less than 10 feet from you.
You keep your hand a minimum of three inches above the body of water where the water is evaporating.
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Originally posted by Denholm
After seeing the great success of the, "Caption This" threads. I decided to try out the success of another line, "Debate Session".
Today's debate topic, Electrocution Theories.
If there is a high percentage of voltage discharged into a boiling body of water just a few feet from you and you stick your hand just a few inches above the steam evaporating from the body of water that got struck.
Would you be electrocuted?
Information:
The voltage released into the body of water was caused by a bolt of lightning.
The voltage was released less than 10 feet from you.
You keep your hand a minimum of three inches above the body of water where the water is evaporating.
Is the body of water or the person on a magical conveyor?
If so, yes.
If not, no.
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what is the rotational energy flux of the lighting bolt?
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No. The electricity would have dispersed long before you had a chance to stick your hand over the pot.
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if a lighting bolt hit less than 10 feet from you, i don't know if you would be electrocuted, but you would definitely know a lighting bolt hit less than 10 feet from you.
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What if you were deaf and blind?
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You must have a really long arm if you can reach 10' to the within 3'' of the water.
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Originally posted by Denholm
After seeing the great success of the, "Caption This" threads. I decided to try out the success of another line, "Debate Session".
Today's debate topic, Electrocution Theories.
If there is a high percentage of voltage discharged into a boiling body of water just a few feet from you and you stick your hand just a few inches above the steam evaporating from the body of water that got struck.
Would you be electrocuted?
Information:
The voltage released into the body of water was caused by a bolt of lightning.
The voltage was released less than 10 feet from you.
You keep your hand a minimum of three inches above the body of water where the water is evaporating.
Wild guess here.
Well if the body of water was suspended over a flame, then yes, electrocution happens.
I'm guessing the arc of lightening will take the pass of least resistance and the rising water particles (steam and water vapor) act as a conduit or bridge for the energy to transfer to the (guessing) grounded person.
If the body of water is grounded, then no, the person doesn't get electrocuted.
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It was told and perhaps believed when I was an active scuba diver that because salt water conducts electricity better than the human body that should lightning strike near you while you were in the water the current would flow around leaving you largely unmolested. I never had the opportunity to test that theory but as a radar tech for the better part of two decades I can tell you fer sure that I conduct electricity much better than air.
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If a tree falls on a bear sh**ing in the woods while a car traveling the speed of light drives by at midnight . . .
. . . does the CD player still have decent resale value?
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Originally posted by E25280
If a tree falls on a bear sh**ing in the woods while a car traveling the speed of light drives by at midnight . . .
. . . does the CD player still have decent resale value?
Purple
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Originally posted by AKIron
It was told and perhaps believed when I was an active scuba diver that because salt water conducts electricity better than the human body that should lightning strike near you while you were in the water the current would flow around leaving you largely unmolested. I never had the opportunity to test that theory but as a radar tech for the better part of two decades I can tell you fer sure that I conduct electricity much better than air.
Whilst submerged that is true... when half and half... you are the rod.
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Originally posted by E25280
If a tree falls on a bear sh**ing in the woods while a car traveling the speed of light drives by at midnight . . .
. . . does the CD player still have decent resale value?
Who cares. I want that car.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
No. The electricity would have dispersed long before you had a chance to stick your hand over the pot.
Forgot to mention underneath "Information" that you had your hand in the evaporated water before the voltage was released into the body of water.
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Is that lightning in a blue state or a red one? Did gore trade the carbon credits for boiling the water or claim he invented lightning?
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No you would not be electrocuted.
1. Water does not conduct electricity.
2. Water has no electrical capacitance.
3. If it were hypotheticaly possible for lightning to pass through a liquid that does not conduct electricty, the electric charge would only be passing through it on it's way to the ground, then the charge is obviously gone. To get shocked by an object that has been struck by lightning that object would need to possess both the characteristics conductivity and capacitance (capability to store electrical energy).
4. You don't need to know about things like depolarization and capacitance and conductivity to answer this question correctly. Any adult with a basic, intrinsic understanding of the physical world would probably know the correct answer.
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Denholm,
I think you've got a lunker on the line there, play him ease so Suave doesn't slip off of the hook.
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Originally posted by Denholm
Forgot to mention underneath "Information" that you had your hand in the evaporated water before the voltage was released into the body of water.
Well you need to phrase the question better because this is completely different then the question you first posed.
If you had your hand over water 10 feet from where lightning is about to arc, the lighting would go through you instead, since you are the easiest route to ground.
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Water does conduct electricty but pure water is a very poor conductor. Normal tap water will conduct it well enough that if you drop your hair dryer in the tub while taking a bath you probably won't make the same mistake twice.
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Water, H2O, doesn't conduct electricity, you need ions to conduct electricity. Tap water is really a solution, it has lots of things in it. That's why you shouldn't use it in a car battery. Yes everybody knows the dangers of bathing with your appliances. But the man didn't say tap water or snow melt or sea saline. He said water and I'm not going to make assumptions. Also remember we're talking about lighting which is static electricity, static charges travel over the surface of insulators, or through gas that has enough ions or has collected enough polarized particles. And 3 inches of brand new steam has not.
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I think that if lightning strikes 10 feet away from me, I got more things to worry about , like deafness, blindness, and clean underwear....
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Originally posted by Airscrew
I think that if lightning strikes 10 feet away from me, I got more things to worry about , like deafness, blindness, and clean underwear....
As Bill Cosby said so eloquently, first you're going to say it, then you're going to do it (about why having clean underwear isn't that important if you get into a wreck).
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Suave wins this one.:)
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Man's jacket generates 40,000 volts of static electricity. Building evacuated, carpet burnt.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4252692.stm
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Aren't you glad he never shook hands with his employer?:p