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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DiabloTX on February 05, 2008, 02:46:14 AM
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Get your own tiddy bear! (http://www.vidivodo.com/video.php?myvideo_id=26785)
So now, no more tight seatbelts aross your chest, Lazs. You can actually reach across the seat to lower the passenger window and enjoy that clean, fresh socialist Cali air!
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why would anyone need such a thing? I have been told that the seatbelts are very comfortable now and that they do not restrict movement in any way?
I have a better plan... I have two old cars that have lap belts. I have a lincoln that is invisible to police.. in the lincoln I simply wrap the stupid belt around the headrest. I have put 50,000 miles on this car without wearing one.
I don't ride in other peoples cars but maybe a few miles a year. Some, in cars with lap belts only... a few where I have to wear a modern seatbelt.. I move the chest thing around behind me.
I will probly build a suicide door lincoln in the future and it will have lap belts. or none.. but.. I never have minded lap belts in any case.
lazs
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why dont you wear a seatbelt. they actually saved my life one time!
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Originally posted by DmonSlyr
why dont you wear a seatbelt. they actually saved my life one time!
It has very little to do with whether or not a seatbelt does save lives, but whether or not the government has the right to make you do it "For your own safety."
I personally wear a seatbelt out of habit, but I believe that the government had no right to tell people how to live.
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How do you know that? seriously.
I can show you pics of cars... one corvair I was in.. that are as bad as any wreck you have seen where the occupants were not wearing seatbelts and lived.. I can show you what look like mild crashes where the seatbelt wearing occupant died.
Not saying you don't stand a better chance in a wreck when wearing seatbelts... just saying that it is pretty silly the claims that are made about it.
How can anyone really know if a person will live or not in any wreck or... if he would have been saved or killed?
lazs
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but diablo does have a point.. If I could get her to sit on my lap I would strap in.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
but diablo does have a point.. If I could get her to sit on my lap I would strap in.
lazs
Hehe, I knew it!
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Originally posted by lazs2
I have a lincoln that is invisible to police..
cool
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It has very little to do with whether or not a seatbelt does save lives, but whether or not the government has the right to make you do it "For your own safety."
I personally wear a seatbelt out of habit, but I believe that the government had no right to tell people how to live.
Driving, sir, is a privilege, not a right. A privilege may be granted or taken away upon direct observation of or lack of following any rule stated.
This may be where your idealism is screwy.
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yep... they don't even glance at lincoln town cars. It must be that they don't see me.
lazs
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a stealth lincoln. :noid
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I crashed my car going over 100mph 10 years ago, it was me and 2 friends, I had no seatbelt on and neither did the guy in the back, the guy in the passenger seat had his on, the car ended up flipping through the air backwards, the guy in the back went out the rear window and luckily walked away with minor injuries, I was thrown out the back as well but didnt clear the car and ended up having my upper torso crushed by the car, I've paralyzed from the waist down ever since , now the guy in the passenger seat who had a belt on walked away without a scratch, and I never get in a car without a seatbelt on anymore.
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I am sure that seatbelts can and do save lives. I would hesitate to say which times tho.. even in your case. the guy might have died with a seatbelt on if he had been in the back seat and someone in his seat without one might have not been injured. but.....
Not for me to say.. If you want to wear one then I give you permission.. it is none of my business.
Truth is.. I wear the lap belts in my Elky and my Healey. I won't hardly ever get in the car with someone else driving tho... seatbelts don't make me feel better about it.
You do not have to wear seatbelts in a limmo.. the limmos you don't have to wear em in are... guess what? Lincolns... Are they magically more safe than my exact car? of course not. They are simply allowed choice while you and I are not.
You have choice in taxi cabs.. in a school bus you have no real choice.. you don't even have the things available.
lazs
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Don't get me wrong, I still think it should be your choice to wear or not, it's your life, it's just for me I've seen what happens when you don't, believe me I always think about "if I had only done this or that differently", and one of those is wearing my seatbelt.
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Don't get me wrong either..
I say you should not only be able to wear one if you like but that the manufacturers should provide em in cars or.. you should have to have em... install em.. for all passengers.. wear em or not tho.. your choice.
I wouldn't even tell you that you can't drive 100 mph if there is no one else you would endanger. I won't tell someone who is crippled from a motorcycle or mountain climbing or boating or whatever that they should not be able to do those things.
Life is dangerous.. life is fun and risky. you pick the things that you are willing to do and the risks you are willing to take to do em..
The government should not be involved in that so long as you are only risking your own neck.
Americans from the 50's or sixties or even seventies would be outraged by the amount of nanny state crap we put up with these days but.. the worthless hippie socialists of the sixties are running things now.. they always wanted to run peoples lives... to create utopia.. and now they have the power.. can't believe what wussies we have become.. what busybodies we have become.. like a bunch of old women.
lazs
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Driving, sir, is a privilege, not a right. A privilege may be granted or taken away upon direct observation of or lack of following any rule stated.
This may be where your idealism is screwy.
Wow. His idealism is screwy? So, the government can tell you not to anything it wants just because?
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Lazs,
Why can't you just take a second from your journey to put on your seatbelt and then take it off at the end. Why not take every chance you have to survive in a crash. If you are on a highway and you crash like trax did I would say you have a better chance of survival inside your car strapped to your seat than in the other lanes of vehicles doing 70 mph + if one of those cars were to hit you whilst you are lying on the road unconscious I dont think you'd live to tell the doctor what hurts and where.
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I'm glad some old people don't want to wear seat belts. I don't want to have to pay their social security.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Driving, sir, is a privilege, not a right. A privilege may be granted or taken away upon direct observation of or lack of following any rule stated.
This may be where your idealism is screwy.
QUIET PLEASE: Socialist work area.
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Seatbelts here are mandatory,and we have a Health service.I'm so glad that I Don't have to pay for the facial/spinal/ injuries of morons who don't strap a belt on.
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Originally posted by Hazzer
Seatbelts here are mandatory,and we have a Health service.I'm so glad that I Don't have to pay for the facial/spinal/ injuries of morons who don't strap a belt on.
There mandatory here in the states too.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Driving, sir, is a privilege, not a right. A privilege may be granted or taken away upon direct observation of or lack of following any rule stated.
it is only a "privilege" because the people have let the govt make it a privilege.
in the words of the presidential candidates, "WE NEED TO TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY", but of course they don't mean to give up control over the peoiple.
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Originally posted by Hazzer
Seatbelts here are mandatory, and we have a Health service. I'm so glad that I don't have to pay for the facial/spinal/ injuries of morons who don't strap a belt on.
But you do. Or does the police/ambulance/hospital just ignore the injuries of morons who don't follow the law.
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Originally posted by Hazzer
Seatbelts here are mandatory,and we have a Health service.I'm so glad that I Don't have to pay for the facial/spinal/ injuries of morons who don't strap a belt on.
They should clearly ban any physical sport given the unnecessary risk to your pocketbook paying for those morons injuries too.
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there is one time when it should be law to wear a seatbelt. when you are sitting in the rear seat behind the driver or passenger. in a head on bump you become a deadly projectile and can crush the forward sitting occupant to death at even slow speeds.
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Please don't poke Lazs with the "always wear your seatbelt" stick. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.
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Lazs is not saying not to wear your seat belt, he is saying we do not need the govt having a law requiring it and fining people for not doing it.
has anyone ever heard of personal responsibility?
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I will say one thing, I do believe the law does save lives, take my father, now you think after seeing what I went through would be enough to make him want to wear a seatbelt, but it wasn't, he got a ticket for not wearing it about a year ago, now he always wears it. I do believe it should be your choice, but theres no arguing it has saved people.
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Doubt anyone can trax. That being said, it's still a direct infringement to make it mandatory for adults.
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LOL... the brits here prove more than one point.. the socialized medicine thing is truly evil for one... they are "glad" they can force you to be healthy cause.. they have "free" medical? sounds pretty damn expensive to me if some little know it all can change peoples lifestyle based on if it saves em tax money or not.
as for shrimps thinking that he won't have to pay my social security cause of my thrillseeker not wearing a shoulder belt thing... I will not collect what I put in.. I make too much money anyway. I will also most likely pee on his grave since..
I was born when only tough kids lived.. he was born when every kid needed braces and glasses and had alergies and ADD by the time they reached 12. I played outside as a kid and played hard. He spent his time in front of this screen. "game over" I spent my summers as a kid as a laborer and into my adult life.. he gets a cramp at the gym when he goes every month for a half hour.
I don't wear seatbelts in my Lincoln.. if you are aware.. and drive well.. your chances of being in a wreck where a seatbelt will save you are far far less than needing a gun to stop a violent attack on your person.. He will probly be killed in a violent attack cause he couldn't bother to pick up a gun and strap it on.
In my hot rods... I drive risky... I understand the added risk.. I wear my lapbelts every time.. they are no big deal.. they aren't uncomfortable and they don't interfere with my movement in the car. I never wore a helmet on a motorcycle and I about lived on one for decades. I never got in a crash where my head was injured.
I survived a car crash (as did the two others in the car) that none of you would have said non seatbelt wearers could have.
I am saying the risk is overblown and that everyone takes risks.. you think nothing of going into bad neighborhoods unarmed for instance.. any cop will tell you that you are risking your life.. really risking it. you are just too ignorant to know.
I am not ignorant about seatbelts.. I know the risks and the percentages. I play the numbers.. the lincoln I drive is the same as a limmo most of you have been in... you did not wear your seatbelt in that limmo.
lazs