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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: minke on February 06, 2008, 08:28:26 AM
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I've been looking through the search facility before i post (good idea). I'm big on the idea of recon,so what i'm suggesting is to deny nme base info until a recon only plane passes over. Adding a recon spit,shouldnt take too much and putting a town status report on also, would bring some strategy to the game.For those who want their name on the screen,you could have:
****** has completed a recon mission succesfully
Another point i found was to add a catapult seaplane to the cv group.Great idea,so why not use it to put the nme cv location and status on the map for all to see? It could stay visible until it leaves the sector.
possible recon planes
spitfire pr mk XI
pby catalina
kawanishi H8K 'emily'
Letov s.328
Arado ar196
Dornier DO24
Heinkel HE115
not sure about the production rates for these but there is plenty to choose from
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Spit IX and Ar234 are planes we already have that had photo recon variants.
Personaly I really like the idea - no base strat info updates without a player recon plane "shooting" a recon picture of the base. It could be a hitscan algorithm using a modified bomb sight, or something simple like that.
Strat info would have something like "Current as of XX:XX" or "as of XX' ago."
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Rather than add a plane,why not add a recon package in the hangar? I know adding a seaplane to the game is more complex,but i feel if the whole concept is kept simple, we can have some strat depth that i know many people want.
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Recon package? You wouldn't need to add any planes if the SpitIX and Ar234 had their armaments removed and recon equipment ballast added.
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I believe the Spit PR planes retained all of their armament, but I could be mistaken.
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It has been asked before, however only about 3 times or so, so it's rather difficult to find.
I do support the, "snap a picture to get info of the field / town." However I do not support the, "fly a recon plane to a CV and it's enemy icon appears on the clipboard map." CV's have a short life expectancy as it is, why bother adding a feature that would make it easier for the LancStukas to fly in and wipe them out twice as fast? In my opinion this feature is unnecessary - and as I have said in the past - might be added to CT for scenarios which require position updates on enemy movement.
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Originally posted by Denholm
It has been asked before, however only about 3 times or so, so it's rather difficult to find.
I do support the, "snap a picture to get info of the field / town." However I do not support the, "fly a recon plane to a CV and it's enemy icon appears on the clipboard map." CV's have a short life expectancy as it is, why bother adding a feature that would make it easier for the LancStukas to fly in and wipe them out twice as fast? In my opinion this feature is unnecessary - and as I have said in the past - might be added to CT for scenarios which require position updates on enemy movement.
Also sometimes players mis identify a CV, thinking its Knight when its really rook, and Icon would ruin this, as it helps countries surpise others as well as hiding CV's.
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I don't see what the problem is. A recon ID of a ship's location could just show up on the clipboard map as a generic CV icon with a heading arrow under it, or something like that. That icon wouldn't move from where it was sighted. There could be a tooltip on mouse-over that'd say how old the info is.
It could even be allowed to put "mission" or something like that on the map if you snapped a shot of a large group of bombers or whatever... This is the sort of thing that'd have more success at communicating info to a whole country than the country channel which scrolls away pretty quick, sometimes in less than a second.
Low traffic categories like CV report icons (assuming this is the feature's sole mechanic) could have a longer lifetime than something like C47s spotted orbiting away from sight or trying to sneak around a furball to a field, or GVs just out of their spawn heading towards whatever their target is.
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Originally posted by moot
I don't see what the problem is. A recon ID of a ship's location could just show up on the clipboard map as a generic CV icon with a heading arrow under it, or something like that. That icon wouldn't move from where it was sighted. There could be a tooltip on mouse-over that'd say how old the info is...
Once again, the life expectancy of a spotted CV these days is just as good as a fly in a spider's web. Once caught, it rarely gets away. Why bother making it so much easier for pilots to find the Task Group? At least the way its setup now gives the CV defense group a chance to save it's fleet.
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Well, I guess that's true.
If the flak was updated to real ballistics instead of box flak, and made more lethal, bombers and planes heading right into the ships would have a harder time hitting them... Once again suicide/toolshed dweebs get in the way of having fun.
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I am OK with this idea, moot has a good point, right now the puffy ack is useless. Planes get in and out never getting hit, if you make the accuracy on that more lethal, then you could add all these recon ideas in.
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:aok :aok :aok
again another great idea that ive always wanted, but am not popular enough to not get shot down in the forums
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The only thing that'll get you shot down is constantly saying stuff that makes no sense...
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like the lancstuka thread?
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Someone say RECON plane??
(http://www.totavia.com/imagearchive/aviapix/PostWW2/Observation/SR71-Blackbird/SR71_1.JPG)
:D :aok :t
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I like the idea! :aok
I don't see that there will be much of an issue coading a seaplane, the ones we have already float just fine :lol
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another thing for CT me thinks. Would be a cool thing to have though.
I don't see it happening in the MA though.
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fw189 eye in the sky with guns
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Someone say RECON plane??
(http://www.totavia.com/imagearchive/aviapix/PostWW2/Observation/SR71-Blackbird/SR71_1.JPG)
:D :aok :t
The slipstream vortices on that bird are incredible!
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
Also sometimes players mis identify a CV, thinking its Knight when its really rook, and Icon would ruin this, as it helps countries surpise others as well as hiding CV's.
How about if the ICON does not appear till the recon pilot gets a good landing. Sure he can send out a radio call but the piks go down with the plain other wise.
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Originally posted by minke
what i'm suggesting is to deny nme base info until a recon only plane passes over.
Minke,
You're suggesting that HTC remove an airfield's condition from the "Status" menu. Is that right?
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Or that it doesn't get updated unless a recon plane photographs it.
I think TG flak ought to get real ballistics and more lethality. You could dodge it with enough speed and distance. You'd need at least a few bomber formations to sink a CV.
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Why? why do you need a recon somthing when you can just pull up your map and look for it. If your looking up a 234.
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Strat info on a clipboard Vans. You don't have a magic clipboard with wartime intelligence on it like a psychic has a crystal ball.
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That I agree with, but not having the icon of an enemy CV pop up once a scout plane flies nearby. For CT perhaps, but not for the MA.
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The whole recon idea was based on totally denying enemy base details on the clipboard until a recon plane took a snapshot, town could be represented too as a percentage.
The results of many wwII targets were unobtainable until after some form of arial/ground recon was performed,so simply flying round a second time was considered foolish.If a more realistic simulation is required,then recon can add the depth needed. I'll use the spit example again,why not choose a recon loadout in the hangar as an option? It keeps the whole thing simple.
The cv reveal was just an expansion of the original idea,I know some like it and some dont,but i agree that there needs to be a change in the ack defences to give it more of a chance
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Originally posted by minke
The cv reveal was just an expansion of the original idea,I know some like it and some dont,but i agree that there needs to be a change in the ack defences to give it more of a chance
Were not boats toast when found and the will and means to sink them existed?
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Denholm, flak that's truly lethal and that follows real ballistics would be easily avoided by fighters furballing or just passing through, and really put a dent in planes flying steady towards it. We could get some extra destroyers or whatever would allow for more 5" flak.
It would make for more fighting which can only be an improvement.. There's no such thing as too much firepower.
The lengthened time it'd take to damage a CV enough to sink it would allow fighters to form a cap, which we don't have now. It would give bomber pilots a real challenge (just a thought, flak targetting could be made to spread over a tight group flying formation when there is one so that it doesn't just trounce formations one by one), bomber killers more targets, CV furballers a better chance at having their furball, and the recon thing would get another element.
Everybody's happy.
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Now I agree with that. However if HTC were to not add any elements to our current flack on CVs, or add more destroyers to our current TG, then I'm not in favor of the "fly a plane near a CV and an enemy icon appears on the clipboard map" idea.
We could however ask Skuzzy if map makers are allowed to add more ships to our TG, because I've done it before making one mega-fleet for H2H.
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If we're going to have more ship options, why not include a main battleship? Yeah the cruiser is cool, but having the mighty Mo leading the way would really give the TG some teeth.
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SD67, you had better pray that DiabloTX doesn't find this thread. (Search)
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Originally posted by SD67
If we're going to have more ship options, why not include a main battleship? Yeah the cruiser is cool, but having the mighty Mo leading the way would really give the TG some teeth.
I agree. Would be fun to have this added. Recall the CV groups on some big maps? Couple of cruisers? With small maps, boats are easy to find: draw a line from a port to a bad buy base.
Yup, a CV, battle ship, cruisers, destroyers . . . what's not to like?
And the bottom line, boats do not like bombs.
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i like the idea. except for the CV part. right now when they are found, their location is blabbed all over country channel.
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Originally posted by moneyguy
i like the idea. except for the CV part. right now when they are found, their location is blabbed all over country channel.
Ok as I was saying,, don’t have the Icon just pop up right away make it so the person shooting the pic has to get a successful landing before the icon will appear and perhaps give the recon pilot say,, 4 perkys for doing it, and that way the other side gets a chance to intercept them and they get something for evading them. As for the person calling out, that’s a given. Adding more guns and AA is a good Idea to. Sorry but its just to easy to sink them now, but not all due to the lack of AA also due to ppl taking control of them than not paying attention to them and allowing them to be sunk, or doing it to get points for friends on other teams (as if we don’t know you are doing it LOL) Not enough ppl run CAP or are flying off it all the time so it needs to have some thing, just not entirely sure what. :confused:
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Enemy CV icons visible where they were spotted is not a problem if the TG flak is more accurate and powerful.
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I like this idea! EDIT: I do agree however with Denholm that the cv icon is not a good idea because it makes the life of a cv much shorter then it was.
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Were real ballistics and punchier flak implemented, via more guns/ships and/or increased lethality and/or (after a zeroing-in delay) increased accuracy, CV would survive all but truly focused efforts to sink the ships.
Discouraging exploits of such a jabo/bomber proof task group to furball indefinitely next door to a base could work by a combination of increased lethality/hardness/number of shore batteries.
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minke, BRILLIANT idea!!! :aok :aok :aok :D :D :D
I think this would add a whole new dimension to the game for those of us who sometimes like to take things slowly, and also make it worthwhile for planes such as the PBY Catalina (hint hint....).
Your idea of having " ****** has completed a recon mission successfully" is also great, and would almost certainly encourage people to do these missions.
Instead of removing any of the current field information available from the clipboard, I think that it would be best if an actual screenshot were posted of that field, showing people which Hangars etc. were still up, and making field-taking far more strategic.
I'm not too favourable towards the CV icon, as that would just make them too vulnerable. [EDIT: Please see below]
Otherwise, great work, and whatever happens, I'm all for it!!!
Yossarian
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I think that the CV icon is actually viable IF, and ONLY if the CVs are given far upgraded automatic anti-aircraft abilities.