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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Larry on February 07, 2008, 09:01:05 AM
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HTC WTFG the new Me110s and Me410 looks great! Cant wait to kill me some bombers with them.:aok
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Fester, are we going to see the 2x Mk108 gondola option? I don't see it in the screenshots...
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Didnt the Me410 have a Mk 103 option? Does anyone have any specs on the Me410 so we know what we are in for?
BTW waffle, fester, and airmess great work!:aok
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The 410 had as many as 8 20mm, could carry a pair of MK103s, a BK5 cannon and a lot of other neat stuff. I can't recall if it was it or another plane that used Schrage Muzik.
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Where are the screens?
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Originally posted by Nefarious
Where are the screens?
i double that. where are the screens?
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From the summer of 1944, despite being Hitler's favourite bomber destroyer, the Bf 410 units were taken from Defense of the Reich duties and production was phased out in favour of single-engine fighters with the 410s remaining in service flying on reconnaissance duties only. Some Me 410s were utilized with Junkers Ju 188s during the Battle of Normandy for high-altitude night reconnaissance missions.
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HTC home page.
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Hmm, I keep refreshing and they are not there.
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Originally posted by Larry
HTC home page.
i don't see em...
can you post the pics here TK?
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i dont see them either
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SUCKERS!
Unless of course it's true...then I revoke my "SUCKERS!" comment and say "Right On HTC!".
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yeah, i'm finding it hard to believe this seeing as i see nothing on the homepage and no screenies here...
if it's true, wtg and a big thankyou to HTC, it's nice to get so many goodies in an update :)
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yeah he got ya good! lol
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MOAT!:rolleyes:
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The RV8's Gatlin guns are back though.... but you need to do one step more than just activate the RV8. Only in MW....
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Sorry all, I'm at work. It's busy this morning.
You mean you're not seeing the screenshots on the front page? :huh
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WTG! HTC!!
About time--
Screenshots look great, looks like a ball of fire comin out of the front of the 410!
Can,t wait to try em out!!
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Im not joking guys the pictures are on the HTC home page. Heres one of them. Waffle did a great job on the 3D model and festers Me410 skin it Fing great. Again I cant wait to fly it.
Me 410 (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/410.bmp)
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Originally posted by Krusty
Sorry all, I'm at work. It's busy this morning.
You mean you're not seeing the screenshots on the front page? :huh
no....
should i be seeing some? are you guys serious or just trolling?
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Originally posted by Makarov9
SUCKERS!
Unless of course it's true...then I revoke my "SUCKERS!" comment and say "Right On HTC!".
Oh come on, have some faith in HTC. They wouldn't add a jeep, sherman, b25, P39, remodeled F4u, and remodled La5/7 for the allies all in succession without giving the axis something.
That would just be dumb wouldn't it?
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Originally posted by Larry
HTC WTFG the new Me110s and Me410 looks great! Cant wait to kill me some bombers with them.:aok
you a such a tool truedweeb :p :furious
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How many did they catch?
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If you're going to count the non-posting "Quick, look at the Home Page!" people -- the world may never know.
(PS I'd be one of those....)
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The humorous post does shed light on a very irritating trend of allied only updates...
Perhaps a soft reminder to those in power that the Japanese planeset is currently a joke, and there are many things to add from the Axis side in general...
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Don't judge it till it's done...
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(http://[IMG]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x39/PanosGR/410.jpg)[/IMG]
great work THNX HTC :aok
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Hrm... good point.
Allies:
B-24
T-34
P-47N
Redo old 47s
P-38J
Redo old P-38s
Redo old P-51s
F4U-1A
Redo old F4Us
Spit8
Spit16
Redo old spits
B-25C
B-25H
B-17G
P-39D
P-39Q
Redo LA5
Redo LA7
Sherman Firefly VC
Axis:
Ki-84
109G14
Redo 109s (F4, G6, K4 all lose options)
Redo 190s (skipped ta152 entirely, mess up ENY rating on A8/A5)
Don't get me wrong the VVS planeset is really hurting and the P-39s will help in a major way, but there are other planesets hurting even more, and mostly they're axis.
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krusty.....jeep
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got me.
Nice job TrueKill, that was a good one.
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LAME
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that was wrong....
funny, but wrong....:huh
and yeah..allied only updates suck!
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Originally posted by Krusty
Hrm... good point.
Allies:
B-24
T-34
P-47N
Redo old 47s
P-38J
Redo old P-38s
Redo old P-51s
F4U-1A
Redo old F4Us
Spit8
Spit16
Redo old spits
B-25C
B-25H
B-17G
P-39D
P-39Q
Redo LA5
Redo LA7
Sherman Firefly VC
Axis:
Ki-84
109G14
Redo 109s (F4, G6, K4 all lose options)
Redo 190s (skipped ta152 entirely, mess up ENY rating on A8/A5)
Wow, thanks for the list Krusty. I was hoping the allied favoritism was only a recent thing since I joined but...apparently it's endemic.
As discussed before. We have most of the top end, so from now on it's all about filling in the gaps. Some great Italian, Japanese, and yes even German planes are still waiting for the spotlight.
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Damn you TK....I've been waiting for the 410 for awhile now.:(
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Originally posted by Krusty
Hrm... good point.
Allies:
B-24
T-34
P-47N
Redo old 47s
P-38J
Redo old P-38s
Redo old P-51s
F4U-1A
Redo old F4Us
Spit8
Spit16
Redo old spits
B-25C
B-25H
B-17G
P-39D
P-39Q
Redo LA5
Redo LA7
Sherman Firefly VC
Axis:
Ki-84
109G14
Redo 109s (F4, G6, K4 all lose options)
Redo 190s (skipped ta152 entirely, mess up ENY rating on A8/A5)
Don't get me wrong the VVS planeset is really hurting and the P-39s will help in a major way, but there are other planesets hurting even more, and mostly they're axis.
You could point out that most of these' are mid-to-late war planes' as well, Krusty. There is an immense amount of ground to cover in the Early to Mid war set. Especially as we now have an arena dedicated to it.
I know HTC and crew are trying to throw us some new planes; I'm grateful for what we do get.
I know that they have other projects' in the fire at the same time (Combat Tour) and that they can't devote all of their time to new A/C or other additions' to the current AH.
I just think that the Current game, with the planeset (and GV set) filled in, would more that make up for the mothballing of CT. Give it some more choices' in gameplay, A fuller GV set, with EW, MW, and LW AFV's. Give the GV's a damage model (When they get tracked, show them losing a track.) Change the CV groups-Make them country specific( Some ports' spawn an Essex class Fleet carrier, some spawn a Shokaku, some a Graf Zeppelin...)
I've always seen AH as having a lot of potential. I just wish we could see more of it.
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I'm rather happy that the last update (B-25s) and the next update (P-39s) both have early planes included. Keep down that route and we'll have the planeset holes filled in, in no time!
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lmao :lol !
He got me :o .
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Originally posted by Krusty
Keep down that route and we'll have the planeset holes filled in, in no time!
Albeit the allied holes...
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WTFBTGH? Where's mah tailgunnerz gondlas, dont see em???
Iz taht a 50mm gannon I see portuding in middle???
OMGOMGOMG!!!!
-C+
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I just think that the Current game, with the planeset (and GV set) filled in, would more that make up for the mothballing of CT. Give it some more choices' in gameplay, A fuller GV set, with EW, MW, and LW AFV's. Give the GV's a damage model (When they get tracked, show them losing a track.) Change the CV groups-Make them country specific( Some ports' spawn an Essex class Fleet carrier, some spawn a Shokaku, some a Graf Zeppelin...)
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Nah.. The MA just can't have any sort of real strat. Gameplay maybe, but never any real strategy mechanics that don't get abused and consequently dumbed down for foolproofing from dive bombing formations & co.
More planes and task group types, mobile and towed artillery, recon or pilot rescue (snoozer IMO but a good addition nonetheless), all those things will make the MA even more fun, but they won't be enough to keep gameplay quality from degrading.
I've always seen AH as having a lot of potential. I just wish we could see more of it. [/B]
And CT is it, it has to happen. It'll allow the MA to be what it's supposed to be, rather than try and compromise for all the different things different players want from AH.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Hrm... good point.
Allies:
B-24
T-34
P-47N
Redo old 47s
P-38J
Redo old P-38s
Redo old P-51s
F4U-1A
Redo old F4Us
Spit8
Spit16
Redo old spits
B-25C
B-25H
B-17G
P-39D
P-39Q
Redo LA5
Redo LA7
Sherman Firefly VC
Axis:
Ki-84
109G14
Redo 109s (F4, G6, K4 all lose options)
Redo 190s (skipped ta152 entirely, mess up ENY rating on A8/A5)
You forgot the A-26!!!!!!! :cry :cry
And the PBY Catalina :( :cry
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Can't believe I fell for this, nice one. I was getting ready to reskin my Bf-110 G2s..
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/grimsfx/trolling.jpg)
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I know that they have other projects' in the fire at the same time (Combat Tour) and that they can't devote all of their time to new A/C or other additions' to the current AH.
Well the BF-110 should be in that line-up for CT....as well as the Stuka I guess..
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Krusty, you forgot the P-38G, B-24J and Jeep. Also the F4U-1C was not remodeled due to pending perk loadout system. And if you are listing options taken away, the Spitfire Mk Vb was gutted performancewise and ammowise.
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Originally posted by moot
Nah.. The MA just can't have any sort of real strat. Gameplay maybe, but never any real strategy mechanics that don't get abused and consequently dumbed down for foolproofing from dive bombing formations & co.
More planes and task group types, mobile and towed artillery, recon or pilot rescue (snoozer IMO but a good addition nonetheless), all those things will make the MA even more fun, but they won't be enough to keep gameplay quality from degrading.
And CT is it, it has to happen. It'll allow the MA to be what it's supposed to be, rather than try and compromise for all the different things different players want from AH.
I'll make only one counterpoint (because the way the community's split over this issue, I wholeheartedly agree with you) and that is this. If it happened to the MA, what is to stop it from happening with CT?
Either CT is going to fall pray to 'gaming the game', or It is going to have very few players. Which is what befell the AvA before the current setup. The AvA staff is cheering because they have as many as 60 players' in there at a time now. But instead of following a strictly historical match, they have given some leeway, and are letting the Allied and Axis CO's choose which aircraft they use, and are making them record what fields' are taken, etc. There are points' given for captures, giving a new aspect to the 'capture the flag' aspect of the game. But they did that by allowing choice. If you take the choices' out, which the MA's have, what's left over? My understanding of CT is that it has a role-playing aspect. Ok...We currently have that with many of the squads' in-game right now. How is CT gonna improve on that, if at all?
I'm sorry Moot. I just don't see CT as the Holy Grail everyone thinks' it's supposed to be.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Krusty, you forgot the P-38G, B-24J and Jeep. Also the F4U-1C was not remodeled due to pending perk loadout system. And if you are listing options taken away, the Spitfire Mk Vb was gutted performancewise and ammowise.
The spitV is back to the way it originally was before being overboosted. In AH1 it had its current boost, then it was bumped up sometime around when AH2 came out (I'm hazy on the date) and the spit remodel (2.06 I think) simply returned it to this previous state. It did lose ammo, though, you're right.
As for the CHog, the ammo is going to be put on the D hog. It's going to be there, just not yet. At least they've accounted for why it was left out. They've apparently no plans to do the ta152 that we've heard of :(
Frode: CT isn't going to be free-flowing like the MAs. It's structured, even scripted, perhaps. It's an interactive offline type of gameplay style that includes your friends (co-op instead of deathmatch, you might say)
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I'm sorry Moot. I just don't see CT as the Holy Grail everyone thinks' it's supposed to be.
I concur. I really wish effort had been spent to make the planset as full as could be before branching out into new territory.
It would be amazing to have a planeset as full as Targetware...
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Planeset means jack if your basic flight model and the entire premise of your game is flawed (*cough*TW*cough*)
Better to have fewer choices, better gameplay, better FM, better focus to the game itself, than to have a million options and nothing to do with them.
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CT will cater to boxed game players, for coop and the like. It'll cater to players who want historical and more realistic gameplay, which is not possible in the MA, nor in any arena we have now. AvA is just bootstrap solution for what CT is supposed to be, I guess. I've never tried it myself because I know it's bound to the same limitations as the previous historical arena used to be.
One example: You'll never have raids and engagements the size that CT is supposed to bring in the MA.. Never. They happen in scenarios, but CT will be those scenarios except (+-) daily and with a bit of luck on a larger scale.. I don't know if scenarios are 1:1 scale in terms of combatants.
Another example: No one is going to fly boring sorties as a gunner in a bomber in the middle of the night... But AI will do it, and that's all the gun fodder that people lick their chops over. Same thing with chasing down jets on rtb.. No one will do that, but AI will provide it.
I could go on :p
It won't be the holy grail, but it will be a huge relief for the MA, for the reasons I gave and probably a bunch HTC thought of themselves.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Planeset means jack if your basic flight model and the entire premise of your game is flawed (*cough*TW*cough*)
But they shure are purty...
If we could just get 1 plane or variant every quarter (which seems like it might be in the works) it would be awesome.
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We used to get a few per quarter.