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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: swareiam on February 07, 2008, 11:26:37 AM
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HTC,
Why is the F4U-4 perked? It adds no advantage to an individuals game play. Kind of like the TA-152; now unperked. If it were fast and had four 20mm, well then by all means, but it doesn't. It has a few more horses with a four blade prop over the "D", carries less fuel, and the same armament.:huh
This ride should come at no additional cost.
What say you to this chaps?;)
Cheers:aok
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F4U-4 is the best prop plane in the game. No reason to be unperked. U can up a zeke and I will turn fight ya and kill your zeke in a hog, especially in a -4.
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F4U-4.. One of the most dangerous planes in game. Outperforms almost any other plane in game in one way or another. Has a constant stable K/D well over 2.0, only Tempest and Jets do better every tour.
And you want to unperk it? :huh
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Dogg and Lusche,
I could be wrong here but perking helps to decrease the advantage that one aircraft can have, thereby evening the playing field. In other words, if thirty guys hoped into F4U-4s and simultaneously launched on a mission. That side of the MAP should be shut down. Buuttt, not seeing it. Guys are not putting this ride up in quantity. ie. Typhie!
Both of you guys are pretty dang good behind the stick. But, there are a few thousand others that are working to get there. Unperking this bird will give some guys the courage to see if they can twist just a little longer to develop their skills without feeling that their going to loose something, "Perks!" If an LA-7 is not perked, why should an F4U-4 be?
MHO
Cheers:aok
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Originally posted by swareiam
Dogg and Lusche,
I could be wrong here but perking helps to decrease the advantage that one aircraft can have, thereby evening the playing field. In other words, if thirty guys hoped into F4U-4s and simultaneously launched on a mission. That side of the MAP should be shut down. Buuttt, not seeing it. Guys are not putting this ride up in quantity. ie. Typhie!
If it was unperked you WOULD see it. I've seen Dogg and a few of his AK buddies shut down a sector with out really trying.
Both of you guys are pretty dang good behind the stick. But, there are a few thousand others that are working to get there. Unperking this bird will give some guys the courage to see if they can twist just a little longer to develop their skills without feeling that their going to loose something, "Perks!" If an LA-7 is not perked, why should an F4U-4 be?
MHO
Cheers:aok [/B]
You want to try the -4 there is off-line as well as both the training arena and the dueling arenas. A lot of people think the La should be perked. Its a very good plane, the only think stopping it from dominating the MA's is the more skilled pilots avoid it because they don't want to be called dweebs :D Un-perk the the -4 and and you'll see a ton of them flying.
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The reason you don't see every Hog pilot flying F4U-4s is because there IS a perk. The reason you see far more Typhoons is because the Typhoon is NOT PERKED.
If the F4U-4 were to ever be unperked, the only Hogs you'd see would be -4s and the occasional Charlie. The F4U-4 IS THAT GOOD.
In regards to the La-7:
The F4U-4 is faster above 10,000ft, and on the deck is not all that far behind.
The F4U-4 is ouright superior in practically EVERY aspect of the flight envelope above 10,000ft.
The F4U-4 turns better, especially with flaps.
The F4U-4 zooms better, and sustained climb where the La-7 holds an advantage is significantly less important in combat.
The F4U-4 has IMO the superior guns (the 20mm are powerful, yes, but the Russian guns have awful ballistics properties).
The La-7's advantage in acceleration is within a second at best, so almost negligible.
The F4U-4 has greater range.
The F4U-4 has greater ground attack capability.
The F4U-4 has a much larger bag of tricks it can pull from in a fight than just running and HOing everything in sight.
Would I love a free F4U-4? Hells yeah I would. But there's a good reason she has one.
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Originally posted by swareiam
If an LA-7 is not perked, why should an F4U-4 be?
Because an LA can't hold a candle to what the -4 can do. Under 10K the La has a very slight advantage, but after 10K the -4 takes the cake. The -4 can also carry lots of ords, the LA gets a single 100k bomb. The LA has short legs, the -4 with a dropper can go quite a distance. It's just a far better ride.
I think that the K/D in the -4 is better because it's perked. If it wasn't the k/d would be close to the same as the other F4U's I know I am more careful when flying the -4.. Don't want to lose those perkies!
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For air to air, most of the fights take place beneath 10k. The La7s cannons allow a snapshot kill. Sustained climb rate is very important for setting up a dog fight.
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unperk the 4hog?? you're nuts, insain, loko, crazy, and everything els
seriously you unperk that thing and the only way you could counter it would be to unperk the 262 (believe me i've flown and fought it in 8plyr and the only thing you could do if you met one was pray you were a better pilot)
:noid
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1v1, the La7 is better than the F4U-4.
For cherrypickers, the F4U-4 is probably better.
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Equal pilots the -4 will win the majority of the time in almost all cases at all altitudes.
Then when you consider the fact that the F4U-4 is overwhelming flown by experienced sticks (as opposed to the La-7, which are 99.999999999% dweebs)....
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Originally posted by Urchin
1v1, the La7 is better than the F4U-4.
For cherrypickers, the F4U-4 is probably better.
Originally posted by Saxman
Equal pilots the -4 will win the majority of the time in almost all cases at all altitudes.
Then when you consider the fact that the F4U-4 is overwhelming flown by experienced sticks (as opposed to the La-7, which are 99.999999999% dweebs)....
"I SAY UNPERK IT AND LET THE BEAST REIGN FREE AMOUNGST YOU!" :t
UNPERK THE BEAST!
UNPERK THE BEAST!
(http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Corsair2.jpg)
Cheers:aok
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Originally posted by Urchin
1v1, the La7 is better than the F4U-4.
For cherrypickers, the F4U-4 is probably better.
Not only will the -4 beat it, but just about any other Hog will, if it's a turn fight. The La's best option is to hit the deck and run, and hope the hog isn't close enough to shoot when the LA breaks.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Then when you consider the fact that the F4U-4 is overwhelming flown by experienced sticks (as opposed to the La-7, which are 99.999999999% dweebs)....
Don't you mean 99.99999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999% of LA pilots?:D
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Banshee7
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Not only will the -4 beat it, but just about any other Hog will, if it's a turn fight. The La's best option is to hit the deck and run, and hope the hog isn't close enough to shoot when the LA breaks.
I'd have to see it to believe it.
I think the problem is the vast majority of the people that play this game suck, so they've never flown against anyone who even knows how to get 80% out of a plane.
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Originally posted by Banshee7
Don't you mean 99.99999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999% of LA pilots?:D
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Banshee7
more of like 100.0000000000000000000000000 0000000000000001 %
But the La-7 is a good starting plane, thats what i used to learn to fight.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Not only will the -4 beat it, but just about any other Hog will, if it's a turn fight. The La's best option is to hit the deck and run, and hope the hog isn't close enough to shoot when the LA breaks.
Hmmph. For me, Hogs are some of the easiest kills.
The La7 when flown correctly can hang with a Hog.
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Originally posted by swareiam
(http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Corsair2.jpg)
No way in hell. Not even close.
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Originally posted by angelsandair
more of like 100.0000000000000000000000000 0000000000000001 %
But the La-7 is a good starting plane, thats what i used to learn to fight.
Anytime you want to see what an La7 is capable of, come talk to me. Until then, please try not to dissuade the Community with drivel.
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Tour 96:
F4U-4 has 2754 Kills of All models, all models have 1256 Kills of F4U-4. 2.19 kill/death ratio.
Spitfire Mk XIV has 1454 Kills of All models, all models have 1139 Kills of Spitfire Mk XIV. 1.28 kill/death ratio.
And you think the F4U-4 is the perk plane that needs to be unperked?
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Please dont ever perk my Dweebmobile AH. My favorite use of it is to up at the nearest strip next to the one were about to lose, scream in at about 400 mph 5' off the ground, either look for a goon, or troops, or do a suicide run on the poor suckers landing.
Theres no pride in being a LA-7 Dweeb there is only....well...dweebery. Its the one airplane thats garunteed to piss off every enemy you come up against. I know Ive flown a well flown dweeb run when I have 10 Reds chasing me at full throttle.:rofl It would crush us dweebs if it were perked and we were forced to fly a real airplane.
The F-4U-4? I was quite surprised the first few times I saw the thing turn. For a big airplane it really turns well. I always loved the looks of a Corsair as well. Its a truly handsome bird. One day I'll get around to learning how to fly it.
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Dogg in a hog is dangerous.
Dogg in a hog-4 violates strategic arms limitation treaties.
I've gone 1v1 with Dogg in hogs; my -1 against his -1A. Some day he'll have to show me how he reverses so fast. I think we were even on kills, but that's only because I had about 20 friendlies in the area to distract him.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
No way in hell. Not even close.
Karaya,
Did you notice the question mark after the statement...:furious
:rofl :rofl
All in fun. All in fun.
Cheers:aok
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Originally posted by swareiam
Karaya,
Did you notice the question mark after the statement...:furious
:rofl :rofl
All in fun. All in fun.
Cheers:aok
I noticed, was just "cementing". :D
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Originally posted by Puck
Dogg in a hog is dangerous.
Dogg in a hog-4 violates strategic arms limitation treaties.
I've gone 1v1 with Dogg in hogs; my -1 against his -1A. Some day he'll have to show me how he reverses so fast. I think we were even on kills, but that's only because I had about 20 friendlies in the area to distract him.
I very rarely ever fly the -1a. I usually only fly the -1 when I just out to have fun and get more perks quickly. I fly the -1c for attack roll. -4 for out #'d situations, Bomber escort, or I have to catch runners (la7, d9's and runstangs).
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Originally posted by Saxman
The F4U-4 has greater ground attack capability.
Has no, or should have no bearing on perk value. That's what the OBJ rating is for.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Hmmph. For me, Hogs are some of the easiest kills.
The La7 when flown correctly can hang with a Hog.
Funny... I say the same thing about LA-7s when I'm flying a hog.
Bout the only time LA's ever get me is when they HO.
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F4U is generally , in my opinion a very good fighter. The -4 is the best of the F4Us. Sort of annoying going up against a plane twice your weight and have him hovering around with flaps/gear down.
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a decent stick in the lgay will give the hog a really hard time. it'd be an interesting matchup...
i'd expect the hog to win, but actually, in a 1 on 1 otd the lgay may have the upper hand.
we're talking great sticks here, in noth planes. the la7 is capable of amazing things if you know how to use throttle properly.
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Originally posted by Urchin
1v1, the La7 is better than the F4U-4.
For cherrypickers, the F4U-4 is probably better.
You and I have dueled in these, and I didn't see it that way. La-7 has a very slight edge initially, but as the fight slows, the F4U-4 shows its better handling. Get real slow and the La-7 is in real trouble. I'd call it a draw. But only on the deck... Go above 5k and the F4U-4 is superior. Go above 10k and it's a mismatch.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
No way in hell. Not even close.
Name something better.
My regards,
Widewing
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Swareim some guys here have played for a long time.
If you went out and actively seeked fighter perks for a couple of months you could be in the thousands easily.
Think LA5, german stuff, Spit 9, p51b, there are loads of 20 + ENY planes capable of landing multiple kills. Do this for the side with the least amount of players and you'll be raking them in.
The only plane that I'm extra careful in is the 262. Even then I could go crazy and it could make a little dent in Bruv's Bank of perks.
You wish for this to be unperked now but by the time you have the perks you will want to be flying the older free planes as a challenge and then earn EVEN more perks on top!
Put in the hard work now and then you will truly appreciate the 4 hogs extra power and you will be able to fly it all day long without having to worry about the perking system at all.
Bruv
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Wide - If you have the films of those would you mind sending them to me, or posting them (I don't care either way).
IIRC, I was able to take the first shot in every fight. I would respectfully suggest that the reason the 4-Hog seemed to gain an advantage as the fight went on is not because the plane was better, but because the pilot was.
Only real way to find out is to fight some, then swap planes and fight some more. I have a sneaking suspicion that the La-7 will win the vast majority of fights.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
Swareim some guys here have played for a long time.
If you went out and actively seeked fighter perks for a couple of months you could be in the thousands easily.
Think LA5, german stuff, Spit 9, p51b, there are loads of 20 + ENY planes capable of landing multiple kills. Do this for the side with the least amount of players and you'll be raking them in.
The only plane that I'm extra careful in is the 262. Even then I could go crazy and it could make a little dent in Bruv's Bank of perks.
You wish for this to be unperked now but by the time you have the perks you will want to be flying the older free planes as a challenge and then earn EVEN more perks on top!
Put in the hard work now and then you will truly appreciate the 4 hogs extra power and you will be able to fly it all day long without having to worry about the perking system at all.
Bruv
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Bruv,
Thanks for your comments. Your point is well taken. Developing your ACM skills in a specific aircraft is important. I suppose it somewhat feels as if your fifteen and about to take your fathers car out for a joyride. You didn't intend to get shot down, its just what happens.
I can see the explanation now. "I'm sorry about your HOG dad! I didn't mean to loose all your points. I shot down two, but on the way home I got picked. I promise I'll never do it again."
I have a nine year old whos pretty dang good. I don't allow him to play often. Because some guys just can not keep their language clean. But I can imagine him sneeking on, picking out the HOG and having fun. But, at a price in points that dad doesn't want to pay.
Nonetheless, you are correct gain points in the lower birds. Train in the hog for abit more. Then spend wisely ever after.
Last point: Even if the HOG were unperked. There are probably not enough qualified pilots that could handled it in quantity to go on a WAR winning rampage. So, I think is should still be unperked like the LA-7.
Cheers:aok
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Originally posted by Urchin
Wide - If you have the films of those would you mind sending them to me, or posting them (I don't care either way).
IIRC, I was able to take the first shot in every fight. I would respectfully suggest that the reason the 4-Hog seemed to gain an advantage as the fight went on is not because the plane was better, but because the pilot was.
Only real way to find out is to fight some, then swap planes and fight some more. I have a sneaking suspicion that the La-7 will win the vast majority of fights.
I had previously edited much of the film back in November, but I did have most of the F4U-4 vs La-7 fights. I edited out vox and text. It's a big file, 4 megs.
F4U-4 vs La-7 (http://home.att.net/~historyzone/F4U-4vsLa-7.ahf)
I think we each got guns on each other first two times each (first fight is missing). We each had two augers, but again, the first fight is missing. I augered on that one.
I still call it even. :aok
By the way, that was great fun, about an hour of dueling in all kinds of fighters. We should do it again some day.
My regards,
Widewing
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I would love to see an "equal pilots" fight with a la7 vs. a -4.
Because so many players of "questionable" skill fly the 7 you really almost never see what that bird is fully capable of.
I'm trying to think of a better 7 pilot than Shane was back in the day.
Dunno who I would consider the "best" now...
(if given the choice between the two, i'd rather fly the -4)
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Originally posted by Banshee7
Don't you mean 99.99999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999% of LA pilots?:D
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Banshee7
He means everybody his a dweeb (99.999999999999%) and he is not (0.00000000001%)
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Originally posted by swareiam
"I SAY UNPERK IT AND LET THE BEAST REIGN FREE AMOUNGST YOU!" :t
UNPERK THE BEAST!
UNPERK THE BEAST!
You can say it all you want. It won't happen.
The 4-hog has such a light perk that it shouldn't be a concern. 14 - 30 points at a time? Fly one sortie in an early 190 and you'll get that back straight away.
Or do you just want to fly a hog that no one can catch all the time?
The 4-Hog is perked for the same reason the C-hog is... think about where you see the most of them..... Off CVs... if everyone was upping 4 and C hogs bases under CV attack would stand little chance.
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swareiam, there's a whole lot MORE to an aircraft than its firepower, engine/(prop?) power and fuel range...
I've only flown the F4U-4 in the offline arena before (I'm about to try it in the TA), but I've never had more fun flying at high or low-level.
Originally posted by Xasthur
You can say it all you want. It won't happen.
The 4-hog has such a light perk that it shouldn't be a concern. 14 - 30 points at a time? Fly one sortie in an early 190 and you'll get that back straight away.
Xasthur, for many not-so-good pilots, (e.g. me), perks are not all that easy to get. I know it's low, but my favourite way 2 get fighter perks is vulching in a FW-190A8
Yossarian