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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Seafit on February 07, 2008, 02:44:45 PM
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This is just so wrong for so many reasons.
Apparently our (UK) religious leaders have decided to join the loon brigade.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7232661.stm
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Interesting article.....Thanks for posting.
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i agree with Dr Rowan Williams, he should be be-headed for heresy.
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There is nothing 'liberal' about what the Archbishop is saying.
Unless you equate religious tolerance with liberalism. Which would be wrong. It's more like any pansy sentiment you don't agree with, you lay at the feet of classic liberalism. Which is to be expected from an american, but not from a brit - originators of common law.
Perhaps the Archbishop is trying to pass on what the British government did for his own religion (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Emancipation)
Here is what it comes down to:
"He says Muslims should not have to choose between "the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty"."
That is, how shall I say it, absolute bull****. It is not only a stupid statement, it is a dangerous one. It is radically un-American, and it ought to be radically un-British as well, if they have any sense about it.
And you can go read a conservative thinker like Christopher Hitchens to go see why. Or read Oliver Wendall Holmes. Or do lots of things, it isn't hard to see what the issue is - when religious law is in contradiction to the law of the state - the state wins. Every single time.
You can't predicate a nation upon religious tolerance any other way. If my religion tells me to cut your head off because you walked on my lawn, then my religion is f***ing looney, and should be outlawed.
If my religion says it is alright to chain my lawful spouse up, then my religion is looney and should be banned.
If you want to use the word liberal in a pejorative context, learn to understand what it means. A liberal concept would be to call all of this toleration of illegal precepts a bunch of crap. Again, you can go read a conservative writer like Hitchens if you don't trust all that book learnin'.
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when will the arabs realise that if they want to live in our country, they have to LIVE in our country by our laws and integrate with OUR culture?
GRRRRR.
makes me angry seeing so many people just let this happen. i don't really want to fight in a civil war but it looks like i'll have to within a few years lol.
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These people leave chitholes like Yemen and NW Africa for Britain, then immediately try to make Britain JUST like the chitholes they came from. (Apparently they haven't paused to ponder just WHY the 'non-Christian/non-Jewish' area from which they came was a chithole to begin with)
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
when will the arabs realise that if they want to live in our country, they have to LIVE in our country by our laws and integrate with OUR culture?
GRRRRR.
makes me angry seeing so many people just let this happen. i don't really want to fight in a civil war but it looks like i'll have to within a few years lol.
Ahh...we probably won't be far behind ya here.
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If you move to an area and decide that you just have to remake it to be just like home was / is, the solution is to simply go back home.
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He says Muslims should not have to choose between "the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty".
seems to me they made that choice when they moved to england.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
i don't really want to fight in a civil war but it looks like i'll have to within a few years lol.
Well, gird up your loins, tighten the belt that holds your butterknife, shoulder your 9 iron and prepare to fight!
;)
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Originally posted by Toad
Well, gird up your loins, tighten the belt that holds your butterknife, shoulder your 9 iron and prepare to fight!
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Maybe they can just all march with those "V" masks on and their hands glued to their sides and everyone will come to their senses. You know, like at Tiananmen square.