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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: crockett on February 08, 2008, 01:36:42 AM
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I had to post this one.. should start a ruckus..
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.
With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of Joe's medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. the air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards.
Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
Its noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so the can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the GreatDepression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.
After work this evening, Joe plans to visit his father at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.
Joe is happy to see his father, who is now retired and lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.
Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
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Well done Crockett. Yup, you'll get flayed. Oh well. It's a shouting match in here anyway. Good post!
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:lol :rofl :aok
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I'm kinda suprised the first one hasn't showed up yet...
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Won't be long now..
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Good God man! You've just described over 1/2 of the O'Club!
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Won't be long now..
Go away... 'bating.
:D
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:D Nice post
tap tap tap...
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Originally posted by crockett
Go away... I'm masturbating.
:D
TMI! :rolleyes:
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Ah, well... to be honest, I don't "really" think the pinko liberals know whats best for me.
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Nice :aok
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You forgot the part where while Joe playing with the radio loses control of his car and hits a tree but is saved by the seatbelt some nanny state loving liberal makes him wear - even though he prefers the right to smash his forehead through the front windscreen and kill himself
Tronsky
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I'm confused....I thought Teddy Roosevelt was one of the founders of the modern environmentalist movement.
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I guess I'm confused as to how a subway riding union member is characterized as a conservative.
Most of the "conservatives" I know are self employed, self insured and haven't gotten a paid holiday or overtime check since Carter was in office. We hold conventional mortgages, fund our own retirement and have worn seat belts since forever because it makes sense. It helps keep our insurance costs down, among other things.
I guess there are a bunch of "Joe's" out there, I know of one for sure, but that's a different story. Maybe one day I tell the one about "Half Ton & The Ti##y Monster".
On second thought probably not.
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Whew! Nice stink bait.
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Each side is needed to balance each other out as each side would lead us to complete ruin and tyranny if left to their own devices.
Example
Abortion
You have the screwballs on the right who would impose their religious beleifs on everyone. And not allow anyone to have one under any circumstances.
On the left you have screwballs that if they had their way would allow it damn near till birth as a basic form of birth control.
By having both we have the liberty of choice which is fair to everyone. And where it is allowed but regulated.
Business.
On the right we have screwballs that would prefer zero regulations of any kind which in effect would lead to little more then slavery,Sweatshops, and unsafe working conditions
On the left. We have the screwbals that if they had their way Business would be so over regulated that there would be little to no incentive to be in business at all.
In the end we have a situation where fair wages are paid, yet businesses are not so handcuffed in regulatiuons. that they cant make any money.
The problem with both sides is all they are interested in doing is in seeing their "team" get into power as opposed to what really is fair and good for the country. And because ech side is so determined to get their "team" into power neither side is very willing ot work with the other for the common good. As a result it typically takes forever to accomplish anything.
Which is why what we really need is a middle of the road leader in the Whitehouse who's job it should be to broker a compromise between the two which is fair to everyone.
Executive privilege should be (note I said SHOULD be. Not is) a power for the president to enact something on his own in the event both sides cannot reach an agreement in a given time period.
Should be you bring an issue to the table. Congress has say two weeks to reach an agreement. If an agreement is not reached in two weeks then the president would be able and obligated to institute executive privilege and institute his own solution.
Set it up that way and szee how fast washington manages to get things done LOL
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It reads almost exactly like all the anti american socialist propaganda I was influenced with when I grew up in France.
It doesn't weigh and pit the fundamental pros and cons of each approach against one another but merely recites the same ol dark side of the moon unilateral ad hominem...
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Originally posted by Shuckins
I'm confused....I thought Teddy Roosevelt was one of the founders of the modern environmentalist movement.
don't confuse him with facts he's on a roll.
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yeah.. we were all poisoned by the water we drank before. the standards in place were simply "safe drinking water" they were being illegally ignored in many cases.. It would have worked out without the regulations or.. lawsuits would have set the standards.
there is no way we could have safe medication without the feds.. or safe meat.. How many people are poisoned by the USDA a year? how many by eating kosher food? I would go with Kosher over fed any day.
health care.. unions? you get so much when you negotiate. you can have it in cash or bennies. the only difference is that instead of paying for a negotiator once every contract.. with a union you pay every single month. A job with good bennies pays less for the same work as one with less bennies.. it is not complex.. the unions cant change the math.. when they try.. they end up like the GM and Ford workers who sink the company and lose their golden goose.
But... joes day is just beggining....
lazs
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Joe goes out to his 10 year old car that cost more because it is loaded with insurance company and democrat mandated extras like 5 mph bumpers and $2000 worth of extra smog controls to get the last part per million of pollution out.. about the same as spilling a drop of gas when filling his useless (due to safety gimicks) lawnmower.
Joe notices the window is shattered and the dash ripped out because some section 8 illegal that the democrats moved into his neigborhood has stolen his radio and done $1500 damage to the car for the $20 he will get from the felon who was released on parole after serving 1 year of a 20 year sentance.
Said felon then sticks a knife in joes face and demands all joes money... He knows joe is unarmed and helpless because the law that the democrats passed to make him safe has disarmed him.. he knows that if he had brought his gun and used it.. he would spend far more time in prison than the rapist next door.
joe hands over his money but the thug beats him to the ground for chuckles anyway.. joe is not too upset because he is a taxpayer so has very little money anyway.. he is not upset about the car because it is union made and rarely starts anyway.
He get's a ride from a friend who has an old car and they turn on the radio to listen to a talk show only to find that it will soon be going off the air because of some "fairness doctrine" or some such..
Joe gets to work only to find that he has to go to re-education camp.. he is accused of a grade one sexual harrassment charge.. only minor this time.. he smiled in an odd way and made a comrade uncomfortable. he will be re educated.
After work joe gets a ride home in his buddies old hot rod.. it may not be as safe but it is far from boring and.. it runs.. and.. the guy has never had a $500 bill for fixing a window or a sensor.. or some trim.. or a scratch.. joe has this happen almost monthly.. or he just drives around with no power windows or the check engine light on till he has to smog the piece of crap again.
lazs
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Did anybody else wonder why Joe walked to the subway, yet drove home?
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Deus Ex.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
The problem with both sides is all they are interested in doing is in seeing their "team" get into power as opposed to what really is fair and good for the country. And because ech side is so determined to get their "team" into power neither side is very willing ot work with the other for the common good.
A "keeper" Dread!
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Joe now prays five times a day while facing Mecca. His wife is wrapped in a Burka and his Daughters are no longer alive. See Joe had to Honor kill them at the local soccor field where games are no longer played because his Daughters were caught dancing. Joes only Son is learning to fly aircraft now. Thank Allah that the liberals found Peace with the Islamic Jihadist.
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The problem with both sides is all they are interested in doing is in seeing their "team" get into power as opposed to what really is fair and good for the country. And because ech side is so determined to get their "team" into power neither side is very willing ot work with the other for the common good.
Two of the most EVIL words ever uttered in the history of the world are "Common Good" or some iteration of such.
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Originally posted by rpm
Good God man! You've just described over 1/2 of the O'Club!
Are you sure it's 1/2 of the O'club. I would venture to say 80%.:rofl :rofl
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Hey, if it feels good....do it :aok
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Joe goes to sleep when a burglar breaks in. Joe tries to call 911 but doesnt have the time as the burglar shoots him with a gun. Joe didnt have one. Seems the wacko liberals made it too difficult in his state to own one.
The burglar is caught however, and goes to jail. There he enjoys fellowship with other trash, and decides to write a book. After a "Free Willy" concert, he is let out of jail, due to some technicality. He sells his book, its made into a movie, praised by Hollywood.
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Originally posted by indy007
Did anybody else wonder why Joe walked to the subway, yet drove home?
he rode the subway to work, but drove to see his parents.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Joe goes to sleep when a burglar breaks in. Joe tries to call 911 but doesnt have the time as the burglar shoots him with a gun. Joe didnt have one. Seems the wacko liberals made it too difficult in his state to own one.
The burglar is caught however, and goes to jail. There he enjoys fellowship with other trash, and decides to write a book. After a "Free Willy" concert, he is let out of jail, due to some technicality. He sells his book, its made into a movie, praised by Hollywood.
If Joe didn't have time to hit 3 little buttons and dial 911 I doubt Joe would have had time to grab a gun from who knows where.. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
The problem with both sides is all they are interested in doing is in seeing their "team" get into power as opposed to what really is fair and good for the country. And because ech side is so determined to get their "team" into power neither side is very willing ot work with the other for the common good. As a result it typically takes forever to accomplish anything.
Pretty much the root of the problem.. That and by the time they do make it into office, they owe so many "favors" it's sickening.
Hence the reason I've felt part of the solution is term limits on "all" political offices and no campaign contributions from big business or special interest.
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Originally posted by crockett
If Joe didn't have time to hit 3 little buttons and dial 911 I doubt Joe would have had time to grab a gun from who knows where.. :rolleyes:
I'm still trying to figure out where Joe could live that has a subway that's worth taking, but country farm land in driving distance.
..but just for fun, if I kick in your door and pull a gun on you, and you call 911... what exactly is going to happen first? I find you and shoot you, or the cops drop the donuts and get there in a hurry? I wouldn't put money in the police cruiser being faster than my trigger pulls. Police don't prevent crime, they respond to it.
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If you dial 911 the cops will be able to chalk your outline on the blood soaked carpet that much sooner.
I think that dred is having problems sepperating what sounds good from reality... I just need you dred to define what "is good for the country" means to you.
I would also love to hear your defenition of "the common good".. both of those expressions have been used to death by totalitarian governments in the past.
They are pretty much meaningless... Like an osamabama speech.. unless you define what you mean by them.
lazs
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Lazs, during your lifetime, has the federal government made any laws you support?
That is, if you had been there, you would have voted for them?
My own notions run along the lines of "if the states can handle things, then Feds need not."
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lazs-ee BS fixes:
Paragraph One: The mandating of insurance is a state matter, not a federal matter. And not one that is particularly democratic either. In fact, a true fiscal conservative would be pushing for more private insurance standards, a democrat potentially for less because a democrat would be pushing for tort reform.
Paragraph Two: It's not really worth bothering with the xenophobia, but illegal immigrants vs. US citizens crime rate is something you ought study before opening your trap.
Paragraph Three: All immigrants are felons + a stupid straw man argument that stricter gun control regulations means more crime, something that has been disproven again and again, statistically. And how many people do you know (not counting the wingnuts here on AH) that have concealed weapon permits and actually walk around with a gun?
Paragraph Four: lazs paranoia of some sort, as the national radio waves are dominated by conservative wingnuts and race-baiters like Mike Savage.
Paragraph Five: lazs in his usual way conflates a corporate issue with a government one. To lazs, women are to be fondled and whistles at work.
Originally posted by lazs2
Joe goes out to his 10 year old car that cost more because it is loaded with insurance company and democrat mandated extras like 5 mph bumpers and $2000 worth of extra smog controls to get the last part per million of pollution out.. about the same as spilling a drop of gas when filling his useless (due to safety gimicks) lawnmower.
Joe notices the window is shattered and the dash ripped out because some section 8 illegal that the democrats moved into his neigborhood has stolen his radio and done $1500 damage to the car for the $20 he will get from the felon who was released on parole after serving 1 year of a 20 year sentance.
Said felon then sticks a knife in joes face and demands all joes money... He knows joe is unarmed and helpless because the law that the democrats passed to make him safe has disarmed him.. he knows that if he had brought his gun and used it.. he would spend far more time in prison than the rapist next door.
joe hands over his money but the thug beats him to the ground for chuckles anyway.. joe is not too upset because he is a taxpayer so has very little money anyway.. he is not upset about the car because it is union made and rarely starts anyway.
He get's a ride from a friend who has an old car and they turn on the radio to listen to a talk show only to find that it will soon be going off the air because of some "fairness doctrine" or some such..
Joe gets to work only to find that he has to go to re-education camp.. he is accused of a grade one sexual harrassment charge.. only minor this time.. he smiled in an odd way and made a comrade uncomfortable. he will be re educated.
After work joe gets a ride home in his buddies old hot rod.. it may not be as safe but it is far from boring and.. it runs.. and.. the guy has never had a $500 bill for fixing a window or a sensor.. or some trim.. or a scratch.. joe has this happen almost monthly.. or he just drives around with no power windows or the check engine light on till he has to smog the piece of crap again.
lazs
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Originally posted by crockett
If Joe didn't waste his time to hit 3 little buttons and dial 911 I doubt Joe would have missed the burglar with the gun he keeps at arm's reach.. :rolleyes:
TFTFY
In fact read any post by Maverick or other cops, they'll tell you themselves that the police don't get there in time unless the assault is protracted, somehow. Nevermind out in the boonies.
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You live in France right Moot?
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Originally posted by indy007
Did anybody else wonder why Joe walked to the subway, yet drove home?
No ,perhaps because I've read the whole text ?
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Dos Equis, perhaps you might care to read the facts:
Revisit of "Dos Equis BS fixes"
Paragraph One: The mandating of insurance has long been a state matter, but the federal government has passed a couple of federal mandates regarding health insurance. Also, the current Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton is frequently bashing Obama for not supporting a federal mandate that all citizens must buy health care. By some estimates this will drive up costs to taxpayers by as much as 30 - 40% in premium rises to cover all those who will require subsidies.
Paragraph Two: No where did Lazs say that illegal's committed more crime than US citizens, it is widely known to be proportional. Currently of the FBI's 10 most wanted, three are foreigners. Only two actually set foot in the US during their crimes. Take Osama out, and that is two of nine or 23%. There are roughly 10 million illegals in the US and roughly 350 million citizens roughly a 3.5% ratio of illegals to legals. Statistically illegals commit the vast majority of crimes here, not to mention the very fact that 100% of them are criminals as they are here ILLEGALLY.
Paragraph Three: In both England and Australia the violent crime rates have risen dramatically since the introduction of weapons bans. In Orange County, CA, crime actually went down after concealed weapons permits were allowed.
Of the roughly 100 million gun owners in the US, the NRA estimates that 30% have concealed carry permits in states where it is required.
Paragraph Four: In actuality legislation is being considered to force radio stations to give opposing view points the same amount of radio time as they do a specific view point. This is overwhelmingly opposed broadcasters realize that this is mainly pointed towards supporting liberal radio against conservative radio. They (the broadcasters) do not want to subsidize something that already failed, ie. Air America.
Paragraph Five: Federal Regulations regarding harassment in the work place have grown significantly in the last 30 years. Some deserved and some not. Statistically the overwhelming majority of complaints are regarding racial discrimination at the work place and issues of placement to meet race quotas. Women are not toys, and are indeed equal citizens. Your assumption regarding another's view point is a harassment in and of itself, especially if the assumption is incorrect.
Try to bash others less and open your eyes, you might just learn something.
Originally posted by Dos Equis
lazs-ee BS fixes:
Paragraph One: The mandating of insurance is a state matter, not a federal matter. And not one that is particularly democratic either. In fact, a true fiscal conservative would be pushing for more private insurance standards, a democrat potentially for less because a democrat would be pushing for tort reform.
Paragraph Two: It's not really worth bothering with the xenophobia, but illegal immigrants vs. US citizens crime rate is something you ought study before opening your trap.
Paragraph Three: All immigrants are felons + a stupid straw man argument that stricter gun control regulations means more crime, something that has been disproven again and again, statistically. And how many people do you know (not counting the wingnuts here on AH) that have concealed weapon permits and actually walk around with a gun?
Paragraph Four: lazs paranoia of some sort, as the national radio waves are dominated by conservative wingnuts and race-baiters like Mike Savage.
Paragraph Five: lazs in his usual way conflates a corporate issue with a government one. To lazs, women are to be fondled and whistles at work.
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Originally posted by moot
TFTFY
In fact read any post by Maverick or other cops, they'll tell you themselves that the police don't get there in time unless the assault is protracted, somehow. Nevermind out in the boonies.
That's not really the point.. If you live your life in so much fear that you think you have to have a gun in arms reach all the time..Well I honestly pitty you.
If you get up out of bed to go to the crapper do you pick up your gun and carry it with you?
If you get up in the middle of the night, to grab a drink do you carry your gun to the fridge?
When you take the trash out do you carry a gun?
The extreme guns rights people like larz and some of the others on this forum, always come up with these "once in a million years" types things to support their claims of carrying guns are the answer to everything.
I edited to make it more realistic for the O club.. :lol :lol
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee while carrying his Benelli M4 Assault Shotgun. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal whom likely hates guns fought for minimum water-quality standards. Meanwhile Joe wonders where he put his Glock pistol..
With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication with his H&k USP Tactical .45 pistol sitting on the kitchen table and the Benelli placed carefully on the counter top. His medications are safe to take because some stupid gun hatting commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of Joe's medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too, but he hates the fact he can't carry his HK 45 to his doctor appointments. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some non gun carrying girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo but makes sure his Benelli is sitting on top of the toilet within arms reach and the HK 45 sitting on the toilet lid. Joe still wonders where he left his Glock. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal whom likely doesn't own a gun, fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses wearing a bulletproof vest with his HK compact with extra clips in his shoulder holster, he walks outside and takes a deep breath slightly insecure wondering where the evil bad guys are. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He knows guns are likely the next target on their socialist agenda. Joe looks over and sees his Glock sitting on the hood of his car. Joe's mind flashes back to last night while carrying out the trash, it was just far too hard to hard to carry the Glock, the Benelli and the trash can. Joe is happy again but thinks he should likely buy a belt holster for the Glock.
He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work carrying his HK 45in his shoulder holster and his Glock in his ankle holster. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees and gives him a chance to maybe someday be like Dirty Hairy, all because some fancy-pants gun hating liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day mad because if he got caught with his guns, his boss would likely fire him. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe thinks too bad he doesn't work at the NRA.
Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe shoots himself in the foot or is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal whom hates guns didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
Its noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so the can pay some bills. Joe's is pissed off because he can't carry his guns in the bank, but at least his deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless never owned a gun liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who likely owned guns ruined the banking system before the GreatDepression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist couldn't hit a target liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. This also allows Joe to buy lots of guns.
After work this evening, Joe plans to visit his father at his farm and shoot some turkey at his home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive with his HK 45 in the glove compartment and the Glock 9mm stuffed in the center console. His car is among the safest in the world not because he has two pistols but because some America-hating liberal with no guns fought for car safety standards. Joe thinks they should have added shot gun racks in the rear window.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal with no guns stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification allowing Joe to pack shotgun shells all night as a young boy.
Joe is happy to see his father whom is carrying a real M1 Grand from ww2, he is now retired and lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating French loving liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. Joe is glad to see his dad can still protect himself from the evil Feds.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that gun hating socialist liberals are bad and good ole gun loving conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day except for his gun rights.
Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government anti gun liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man and own guns who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
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Originally posted by AWMac
Joe now prays five times a day while facing Mecca. His wife is wrapped in a Burka and his Daughters are no longer alive. See Joe had to Honor kill them at the local soccor field where games are no longer played because his Daughters were caught dancing. Joes only Son is learning to fly aircraft now. Thank Allah that the liberals found Peace with the Islamic Jihadist.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl (http://chat.anncoulter.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/131.gif)
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Mac and Lazs have me in stitches! :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by crockett
That's not really the point.. If you live your life in so much fear that you think you have to have a gun in arms reach all the time..Well I honestly pitty you.
Why do you need fear to have a gun? Why do you need to be afraid if you're living in a dangerous place? Were you afraid after 9/11? Most people I talked to agreed that if it happened to one of their flights, it just would, and there was no sense nor anything to gain from being afraid for something that was anywhere in the future or even nowhere in it.
You just sound like you're afraid of death and guns yourself and can't imagine someone being otherwise. Like you can't imagine someone in their right mind would make a calm and collected choice to account for an event which you suppose MUST make them quake their boots in dread.
Do you pee your pants in fear everytime you buckle up your seatbelt? Everytime you travel on an airplane? Or do you not ever buckle up because of the negligible odds, or smoke cigarettes near gas pumps because "you know better" and "it won't happen"? Do you think it's a pitiful state of things to have to bring yourself to make preparations such as learning the tools of your trade so that you can make a career of it rather than be jobless and possibly die of starvation? The analogy here is that you see a statisticaly small but nonetheless possible outcome which you'd rather avoid and take the right preparations to succesfuly fend it off. That possible outcome is out there and will happen if you don't take those precautions... There's nothing extreme about this point of view, anymore than there's anything strange about getting a kick out of plinking cans or tin targets, or having a passion for the craftsmanship of guns and shooting.
That this one passion (or just hobby) happens to also give you a huge (in my opinion) boost in safety for negligible risk in return (mishandling your gun or being careless enough to leave it within kids' reach for example) is nothing extreme. Except for the extreme good odds you'd have stacked on your side if you made the best of it.
Self defense martial arts students aren't psychos either. Or are they, by your perspective?
If you get up out of bed to go to the crapper do you pick up your gun and carry it with you?
No. But then you don't specify any conditions which would affect this decision, which goes to show you aren't after a fair and balanced assessment of whether carrying is or isn't a good thing.
If you get up in the middle of the night, to grab a drink do you carry your gun to the fridge?
Same answer to this one. You're just repeating it as though the repetition would improve your argument's chances.
When you take the trash out do you carry a gun?
Same answer.
The extreme guns rights people like larz and some of the others on this forum, always come up with these "once in a million years" types things to support their claims of carrying guns are the answer to everything.
You're pretty far out left yourself... You sound like all those activist guys I've met, not just political but also apolitical stuff like chastity clubs and the like. Not impartial at all and very happy to ridicule "the other side" without even understanding their point of view.. in fact sometimes never understanding it and often prefering not to.
In all the traveling I've done, if there's someone to pity in this world it's people who've lived sheltered in a single tiny set of lifestyles and of customs, habits, culture, etc. Material misery is nothing compared to intellectual misery.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Dos Equis, perhaps you might care to read the facts:
Australia the violent crime rates have risen dramatically since the introduction of weapons bans.
That is factually incorrect
Tronsky
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Once shot by thugs in a house invasion, Joe`s body will be easily identified due to the tracking device implant that was required by a government "who knew what was best for him".
It will not be recorded as Joe`s death, but will be placed on record as #OU812.
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I'm WARNING you, you violent, lawless HOME-INVADER you! Don't come a step closer! I have a PHONE....AND I KNOW HOW TO USE IT!!
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Dos Equis, perhaps you might care to read the facts:
In both England and Australia the violent crime rates have risen dramatically since the introduction of weapons bans.
I agree somewhat with Tronski, although violent crime rates have indeed risen since the gun buy back farce, the rise hasn't been what I would call dramatic.
Still, I can say first hand that the dirt-bags committing these crimes are quite secure in the knowledge that their prey is highly unlikely to be equipped to fight back.
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LOL.. the same hand wringers and drama queens who brought us MTBE are claiming that regulations made my water safe to drink?
There has never been a threat to the water supply as bad as MTBE which was a state solution to an EPA mandate.. a... "do something even if it is wrong" and "but scientists tell us..."
As for guns.. those who think use a gun for a tool to defend themselves and others are "frightened" and paranoid but.. those who strap on a seatbelt every single day of their lives are just smart? You have a one in four chance of being the victim of a violent crime.. you have about zero chance of being in a wreck where a seatbelt will save your life.
Who is acting (overreacting) like a little girl?
democrats are all about utopia.. safe and sane and protected.. all you got to do is squash all independent thought and individual rights.
lazs
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Hap.. my own thoughts are similar to yours in that states rights should be the way to go with a small central government that protects only constitutional rights.. not made up rights but those as written.
I can't really think of a government program that would not have been better to not have done.. not unless it is defense.. and defense in the broad sense.. space.
social security.. is no security... USDA is poison food compared to kosher.. safety standards.. many private ones are better.. workplace lawsuits would make people go to safety contractors.. they do now. almost all safety programs are private.
post office? maybe but.. not till they had to compete. I don't know.. I would love to have choice in where I lived.. a state with it's own gun laws and seatbelt laws say... it's own roads.. etc.
lazs
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Originally posted by crockett
. If you live your life in so much fear that you think you have to have a gun in arms reach all the time..Well I honestly pitty you.
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Do you lock your doors at night?
does it make you feel safer?
if so try leaving them unlocked for a night or two,
or leave them open!
unhook the phone,put half of the phone in a lock box and the other half in the top of your closet.
now try too sleep , see if you feel as safe as you were before.
Some people feel safer because they have guns around!
I would have pitty for the ones that need a gun close by to feel safe, but are not allowd too because someone else thought it might be better to take it away!
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Originally posted by lazs2
post office? maybe but.. not till they had to compete. I don't know.. I would love to have choice in where I lived.. a state with it's own gun laws and seatbelt laws say... it's own roads.. etc.
lazs
Right, I understand.
What about when the states, the people who live in a state, do not do the right thing or will not abandon doing the wrong thing. I'm thinking about bigotry.
Or do we say, if the folks from XYZ state, want to behave cruelly, it's their state. And until they want to change, their ways stay put?
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Hap.. the constitution says that all men are created equal.. all are equal under the constitution.. I am not sure what you mean by bigotry. If it simply means that you hire who you want or say what you want or rent to who you want...then that is not my idea of what it means.
Those who hire only like people will not do well. let the market decide.. make someone ride in the back of the bus because of color or gender or whatever.. and you have a federal problem.
If you feel that there is no opportunity for your race or creed or whatever in a state then you can move to another and kick their butt in business.
having been a bigot most of my life I can tell you that it is a loser proposition.. it has no benifeit and that becomes apparent. those states would fall behind.
On the other hand.. those who laughed at PC and afirmative action and special treatment based on race would also fall behind. the states with the best policy would win out as the best places to live.
lazs
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Originally posted by WWhiskey
Do you lock your doors at night?
does it make you feel safer?
if so try leaving them unlocked for a night or two,
or leave them open!
unhook the phone,put half of the phone in a lock box and the other half in the top of your closet.
now try too sleep , see if you feel as safe as you were before.
Some people feel safer because they have guns around!
I would have pitty for the ones that need a gun close by to feel safe, but are not allowd too because someone else thought it might be better to take it away!
Sometimes I leave my door unlocked.. Hell I leave my balcony door open all the time. I'm on the second floor but wouldn't be hard for someone to climb up there if they really felt the need.
I sleep fine at night and don't worry too much about some boogeyman whom is out to get me.
In fact you are more likely to die in a car crash than a home invasion. I wonder how many of the gun ruts whom claim they need a gun to feel safe, whine and moon every time they have to put on a seat belt.
oh and btw I'm all for gun rights, I really have nothing against them. I just get tired of hearing how anytime a gun crime is committed, some moron comes out claiming.. "If they were carrying a gun they could have protected themselves"..
It's like they think just having a gun means you would somehow magically turn into Rambo or Dirty Harry and save the day.
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crock it.. you are of course wrong.. you are far more likely to be the victim of a violent crime (one in four) than ever having a seatbelt save your life. It is almost unheard of for a seatbelt to save a life..
yet... you buckle up several times a day.. you let it cut into your neck all your life and restrict you movement and freedom and lessen the driving experiance... while all the time.. blindly thinking that you will not be a victim of a violent crime.. not even taking the precaution of locking your doors.
You seem to lack the ability to tulips threat. I have no problem with risk taking... I do have a problem with falsely justifiying it. If you don't lock your doors and you know the risks but feel it is something you don't like to do.. that is fine with me..
But don't say that you are smart to wear a seatbelt but not have a way to defend yourself.
Hell... if you get mugged and injured.. we all have to pay for it.. under socialized medicine.. you are costing us money with your selfishness and anti socialist streak.. you should be fined and jailed for not locking your doors by your way of reason.
lazs
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Originally posted by crockett
It's like they think just having a gun means you would somehow magically turn into Rambo or Dirty Harry and save the day.
If you had been under any sort of exactly that sort of mugging or street fight or stalking situations enough times, you'd know that's wrong. Having as much as brass knuckles or something stupid like nunchucks, or a simple knife, will make a lot of those agressors think twice and usualy give it up.
Having a gun has nothing to do with fear.
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nope.. having a gun does not make you invincible.. it just is a tool that can make you invincible when you would have otherwise been a chalk outline.
Just as wearing a seatbelt does not make you a race car driver. It does not mean you won't die in a car wreck.. you wear it anyway tho don't you? they ever make a tool for the paramedics to cut the seatbelt off your dead body.
In fact.. I would say that more people wearing seatbelts feel invincible than people who own firearms. I feel safer with a firearm but know that it is not the total answer.
lazs
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in Canada,seatbelts are madnatory.i always wear them as i do a helmet when i ride... haven't had a seatbelt come into use though in 24 years of driving..but a helmet and padded leather jacket saved me when my engine seized,locked up and through me down hard at 40mph.
Still,as i get older i resent the govt telling me what i must wear...Perhaps the laws should reflect the drinking age...At 21 you are of age to choose to drink responsibly so should you have the same choice with regard to your own personal safety.
Insurance company's lobbied for the madnatory law cause they can ticket you for 3 points(& raise your rates)
MADD also lobbied for this(MADD's single biggest contributer btw is Allstate Insurance)
It's another lobby induced racket.
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lol, you reelin' in the big trout now!(and a big mouth (B)ass or two:D)
We're all hypocrites at some point:)
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I'm just glad all of you Liberal assshats don't live where I do.
We can leave the doors unlocked, cars unlocked, kids bikes out front and our pets roam free.
I'd hate to live in your World.
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Originally posted by AWMac
I'm just glad all of you Liberal assshats don't live where I do.
We can leave the doors unlocked, cars unlocked, kids bikes out front and our pets roam free.
lol, it says you live under witness protection program(I just found that amusing;) )
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Yep...
and yer point is?
It kinda prevents you from walkin in and drinking all my beer.
:D
BTW read my Sig.... There's a good one about H00TER wings.
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Originally posted by crockett
Sometimes I leave my door unlocked.. Hell I leave my balcony door open all the time. I'm on the second floor but wouldn't be hard for someone to climb up there if they really felt the need.
I sleep fine at night and don't worry too much about some boogeyman whom is out to get me.
In fact you are more likely to die in a car crash than a home invasion. I wonder how many of the gun ruts whom claim they need a gun to feel safe, whine and moon every time they have to put on a seat belt.
oh and btw I'm all for gun rights, I really have nothing against them. I just get tired of hearing how anytime a gun crime is committed, some moron comes out claiming.. "If they were carrying a gun they could have protected themselves"..
It's like they think just having a gun means you would somehow magically turn into Rambo or Dirty Harry and save the day.
So your the one making the insurance rates go up. every time you leave your door unlocked its like driving without a seatbelt, your taking an unnecessary risk!
your democratic freinds should make a law!
I suppose you leave your keys in the car at the quik stop, motor running and all?
in my state that is illegal, makes the steal too tempting,kinda like candy to a baby!
for someone who seems to fear nothing, you are way to worried about my rights to own or carry a gun or my ability to use it!
on the lighter side
I saw an article the other day, i wish i could find it again, it talked about the number of doctors in the U.S. as opposed to the number of gun owners,
my numbers are not spot on, but it broke down to this, doctors killed more people in the U.S. last year than gun owners by almost 200 too 1,
guns dont kill people doctor's do! my gun has never tried too kill me, my doctor has tried many times tho not on purpose i hope!!( it was a funny i shoud have saved )
like i said i dont have it in front of me but maybe someone in here can find it.