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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on February 09, 2008, 12:39:11 AM
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There is always the rally cry of "support the troops" when someone (who is'nt in the military) wants to justify the Iraq war. So who do you think the troops (who actually ARE in Iraq) are supporting for President?
link (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/military-donors.html)
The Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign cash, looks at the 2007 money-raising and finds the following:
In 2007, the 2008 presidential candidates raised $582.5 million and spent $481.2 million.
In the 4th quarter of 2007, individuals in the Army, Navy and Air Force made those branches of the armed services the No. 13, No. 18 and No. 21, contributing industries, respectively. War opponent Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, received the most from donors in the military, collecting at least $212,000 from them. Another war opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, was second with about $94,000.
Wow, the troops are supporting the anti-war candidates. What a bunch of Amerihaters!
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RETREAT!!!! RETREAT!!!
Oooops
REDEPLOY!!!!!! REDEPLOY!!!!!
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Just a thought, when I was in I made no where near enough to donate to
a candidate. So I'm thinking the frontline guys have way too many irons in
the fire to waste time on stupid crapola like this.
Who cares what the generals do, they're mostly politicians themselves
anyway.
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Military personnel largely try to keep themselves separate from politics, or as separate as is possible in this day in age.
The efforts of so many must not go in vain.
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If it makes you feel any better rpm, no... generally speaking, "the troops" would rather not be at war. If we could canvas a thousand years of soldiers, I doubt you'd find many who LIKE being in a combat zone. They'd rather be at home than risking thier lives daily for a bunch of armchair quarterbacks who use them as political jabs on a message board.
Tumor
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Tumor, I'm a vet and understand troops don't like war. It's the armchair quarterbacks in Washington we have to worry about.
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i dont think that is what is about tumor.
i think that it is about countering the current thinking that the military is one of the greatest support bases among the neo-cons.
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FWIW, I know ~very few~ who have anything but disdain for Billary. Obama on the other hand is quite popular. McCain too.
Tumor
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That's a small amount of money, regardless of how you cut it.
I mean, max donation is what these days? $2300?
So...quite possibly...10 people donated the max. The math can be most anything.
Either way, that's not a lot of money. If that grows another comma, sure, then its newsworthy :)
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You might think this is military-speak BS, but here's who the troops are supporting...
*crickets*
Really. We got orders from the MAJCOM commander that although we are strongly encouraged to inform military members to go out and vote, we are forbidden to actually discuss the election at work or in anything but very generic terms with subordinates. We can participate in political activities when off duty as long as such participation cannot be construed as representing the opinion or position of the military or it's personnel.
Therefore...
To answer your original question, you don't get an answer.
Personally, I think with Romney out of the race it's anybody's guess. There seems to be a national concensus that McCain is not a "true" conservative and that means he will be directly competing against the Democrat candidate as if they were both FROM THE SAME PARTY. In that matchup, Obama stacks up quite well, at least on tv.
But "the troops" have received direct orders not to even discuss politics this election year, other than to help educate people on how to register and vote.
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Originally posted by LePaul
I mean, max donation is what these days? $2300?
So...quite possibly...10 people donated the max. The math can be most anything.
Might want to work on that math...
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for as many soldiers as we have.. that is no money at all.. It is not significant enough of an amount to mean anything.
I am not surprised that a libertarian appeals to liberty loving soldiers tho. war or no. ron paul is about one hell of a lot more than the war... any war...
lazs
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some numbers are missing, how much did the military members contribute to the other candidates?
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McCain's thoughts on pulling out #1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=palbo-ilalU)
McCain's thoughts on pulling out... #2 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=o8TFKXHiefs)
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Originally posted by lazs2
I am not surprised that a libertarian appeals to liberty loving soldiers tho. war or no. ron paul is about one hell of a lot more than the war... any war...
lazs
Yea.
Many servicemembers, officers in particular, take their oath to support and defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic very seriously. From a constitutionalist point of view, that pretty much makes Ron Paul the only candidate they can support without violating their oath... That said, if Ron Paul changed his stance on the war but kept everything else the same, I think he'd still get the support of constitutionalists because a president is constitutionally permitted to direct foreign policy. The fact that he is against the war simply means he's a bit of an isolationist. If he were for the war, one would assume he'd go about continuing it by following the constitutional guidelines on such matters. Of course, the lack of a unified group to formally declare war against would be a bit of a barrier to that sort of position, but I'm sure he'd find some way to do it.
So his position on the war is nearly irrelevant IMHO to constitutionalists and even many libertarians. The important thing to them is "how" a president goes about conducting a war. "Why" is a question left to the policy makers, and in the constitution, the "why" is left to the president with concurrence from congress. If congress funds it, they effectively concur. Pretty simple I think.
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wow, couldn't have said that better myself, eagl... very nice.
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Originally posted by LePaul
So...quite possibly...10 people donated the max. The math can be most anything.
You mean 100.
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I can tell you who they ain't supportin'
(http://www.freerepublic.com/images/halp.jpg)
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Originally posted by JB88
i dont think that is what is about tumor.
i think that it is about countering the current thinking that the military is one of the greatest support bases among the neo-cons.
Bingo.
I personally believe, or hope, the reason Ron Paul is getting that support is troops on the ground know he is the only one that understands the dynamics of what is going on in the Iraq. That and the fact you can't help but like his domestic policies.
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I support Ron Paul, I just disagree with his ideas on Iraq.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I support Ron Paul, I just disagree with his ideas on Iraq.
Fair enough. I'm sure if Congress actually DECLARED WAR on Iraq he'd execute their will. That work for you?
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I'm active duty military, and consider myself pretty informed (relative to most Americans) about politics. Ron Paul is the only candidate that's ever made me pull out my wallet (even from my relatively small military pay).
For me, it had little to do with his "get the hell out of Iraq" stance. Iraq barely registers on my radar when it comes to issues. I think it was a colossal political screwup to go in, and then our political leadership continued their trend of screwups in the execution of the occupation, but I have a "we broke it, we bought it" mentality about the whole thing now. I have mixed feelings about it... whether we decide to get the hell out or that Iraq is something spending lives and our children's money on, I just want to see people thinking about our course of action. "Stay the course" or partisan bickering with no plan for progress either way is retarded when there are IEDs blowing up Humvees full of guys that we sent over there.
My support for Ron Paul has to do with the fact that our country is being run into the ground by both political parties, and Ron Paul is the only one who is even talking about the issues that will eventually cause America to fall apart. Whether or not you agree with his solutions (which I do), I think every American who sees our country going downhill has an obligation to try to address those problems, and RP is the only one who is even trying. Everybody else is just carrying their handbasket toward that warm place at varying rates of speed.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I can tell you who they ain't supportin'
(http://www.freerepublic.com/images/halp.jpg)
I'm a Dem... but i have to say- That is one of my favorite photos of all time!
Gawd I love our troops!!!!! :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
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Originally posted by Tarmac
I'm active duty military, and consider myself pretty informed (relative to most Americans) about politics. Ron Paul is the only candidate that's ever made me pull out my wallet (even from my relatively small military pay).
For me, it had little to do with his "get the hell out of Iraq" stance. Iraq barely registers on my radar when it comes to issues. I think it was a colossal political screwup to go in, and then our political leadership continued their trend of screwups in the execution of the occupation, but I have a "we broke it, we bought it" mentality about the whole thing now. I have mixed feelings about it... whether we decide to get the hell out or that Iraq is something spending lives and our children's money on, I just want to see people thinking about our course of action. "Stay the course" or partisan bickering with no plan for progress either way is retarded when there are IEDs blowing up Humvees full of guys that we sent over there.
My support for Ron Paul has to do with the fact that our country is being run into the ground by both political parties, and Ron Paul is the only one who is even talking about the issues that will eventually cause America to fall apart. Whether or not you agree with his solutions (which I do), I think every American who sees our country going downhill has an obligation to try to address those problems, and RP is the only one who is even trying. Everybody else is just carrying their handbasket toward that warm place at varying rates of speed.
:aok
have you considered adding that to the veteran endorsement section at his campaign site? http://www.ronpaul2008.com/veterans/ There's hundred's of 'em, y'all should read some...
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
Fair enough. I'm sure if Congress actually DECLARED WAR on Iraq he'd execute their will. That work for you?
Congress overwhelming supported action in Iraq. I still support it. Ron Paul will not be able to pull out of the Middle East any more than Reid would be able to without a massive shift in power in the region that supports the Iranians, which will support the Chinese. International Politics 101 taught by a professor that does not allow there political view point to get in the way will explain this.
Oh, and please remember, that just because you do not support the war does not mean I have to not support it.
Have a nice day.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Congress overwhelming supported action in Iraq.
but they didn't declare war, as the constitution requires.
I still support it.
you're entitled to your views. I just hope you don't regret your support when we're still there ten years from now...
Ron Paul will not be able to pull out of the Middle East any more than Reid would be able to without a massive shift in power in the region that supports the Iranians, which will support the Chinese.
he could, but not against the will of Congress.
International Politics 101 taught by a professor that does not allow there political view point to get in the way will explain this.
so you're saying a professor who taught interventionism isn't biased, but one who advocated non-interventionism is letting his political views get in the way?
Oh, and please remember, that just because you do not support the war does not mean I have to not support it.
that's a given, like I said you're entitled to your views.
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I just hope you don't regret your support when we're still there ten years from now...
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If we play our cards right, that is to say if Mubarak Hussein Osama is not tragically elected president, we will be in Iraq until the oil wells run dry (Oil is the spice). Then once all the oil is sucked dry we can give the place back to the desert.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Congress overwhelming supported action in Iraq.
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bsdaddict
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but they didn't declare war, as the constitution requires.
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so congress should be impeached?
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Originally posted by john9001
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Congress overwhelming supported action in Iraq.
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bsdaddict
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but they didn't declare war, as the constitution requires.
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so congress should be impeached?
Or .... article one section eight should be strictly adhered to. Congress should at least enforce the war powers resolution. It's the law. Both. Go figure.
Wiki says (bring it on):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States
:D
Wiki can also explain how impeachment works within our system. Yay!:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States
:cool: ;) :aok :t
What is practical, however, is not re-electing incompetents.
(You're welcome. Yeah ... yeah ... my understanding yadda yadda ... your's whoopie hoo .... ) :D
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Originally posted by rpm
(who is'nt in the military) [/B]
Dimes to pennies sayeth you fall here.
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Originally posted by cuisinart
Dimes to pennies says you fall here.
Dollars to doughnuts says your seven post experience/insight wasn't enough to avoid placing a bad bet over a suspicion you could have avoided by simply reading the whole thread. RPM's a vet. Who are you? :D
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CVN-65, and down a notch.
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Originally posted by cuisinart
CVN-65, and down a notch.
VP-67 (disestablished 94), myself, I believe RPM was a corpsman (I could be uh-memberin' that wrong, he can correct) and this is mild, if anything. :D
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If rpm's a vet/tuffguy i'll kiss your ole wrinkly butt, arlo.
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Originally posted by cuisinart
If rpm's a vet/tuffguy i'll kiss your ole wrinkly butt, arlo.
Well, I was shore duty so we didn't get that desperate. If you have a good looking sis to fill in, explain to her why she needs to pucker and ship her out. :)
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My sister is sacred.
Maybe try oldhornymatches or idigolehornybbsreaders, where your insight might be appreciated.
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Originally posted by cuisinart
My sister sacred.
Maybe try oldhornymatches or idigolehornybbsreaders, where your insight might be appreciated.
Straight outa bootcamp to sea duty? Perhaps you need the alternate sites. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Straight outa bootcamp to sea duty?
Clueless.
I grow weary from both your posts and your aptitude.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I can tell you who they ain't supportin'
(http://www.freerepublic.com/images/halp.jpg)
Man, I sure would not want those guys shooting on me.
What guns are on the turret of that armored car on the left? Looks like maybe a combo 20mm with a 37 or 40mm maybe?? That would be a real nasty weapon to use in a firefight.
That is definitely not one of the new Stryker vehicles. I wonder what its designation is. Can anyone identify it?
SIG 220
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Originally posted by cuisinart
Clueless.
I grow weary from both your posts and your aptitude.
No stamina to follow-up the "I bet/I'm right/you're old/kiss your butt/sacred sis/websurf this" brilliant banter with anything other than that? Well carry on and impress us.
What was it you couldn't carry off? Oh yeah ... "down a notch." :D
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I entered a discussion with my eloquence directed at another. You poked your old finger into the matter, and then persisted to try and give me a spanking. Tables will turn, if you insist.
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Originally posted by SIG220
Man, I sure would not want those guys shooting on me.
What guns are on the turret of that armored car on the left? Looks like maybe a combo 20mm with a 37 or 40mm maybe?? That would be a real nasty weapon to use in a firefight.
That is definitely not one of the new Stryker vehicles. I wonder what its designation is. Can anyone identify it?
SIG 220
It would be easier if they could move the banner-get a look at the side and wheels, too.
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Originally posted by cuisinart
I entered a discussion with my eloquence directed at another. You poked your old finger into the matter, and then persisted to try and give me a spanking. Tables will turn, if you insist.
Tables didn't turn so much as you lost that five seconds of cool you spent a lifetime storing up. It was there. I saw it. Then ... whoa ... it was lost. Gonna take a while to build back up? Does this mean we can't be friends? :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
you lost that five seconds of cool you spent a lifetime storing up.
says arlo.
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Originally posted by cuisinart
says arlo.
As if the proof isn't all there in black and drab. ;)
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Originally posted by cuisinart
says arlo.
Pew pew pew.... die Arlo.
Arlo why are you feeding this troll?
:rofl
Mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
Pew pew pew.... die Arlo.
Arlo why are you feeding this troll?
:rofl
Mac
...Maybe it's Dago circumventing his PNG?
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Originally posted by Arlo
As if the proof isn't all there in black and drab. ;)
of you being the next awmac? or of you being just a bored old man picking on what he thinks is a new member?
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Originally posted by AWMac
Pew pew pew.... die Arlo.
Arlo why are you feeding this troll?
:rofl
Mac
This is how I make friends. I predict "queasyfart" and I will have a long productive and worthwhile relationship. Hopefully with him not on his knees kissing my wrinkly butt because he's prone to making rash assumptions/decisions. :)
(Ok, you're right. All boredom and no AHII [presently] leads to up-notching!)
:D
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Originally posted by cuisinart
of you being the next awmac? or of you being just a bored old man picking on what he thinks is a new member?
AWMac's the next AWMac. I'm Arlo, past present and future. You? Well let's see now .... new or not ... you're certainly a "member." And there's only one reason (other than Laz's excuse of forgetting his password time and again) for starting a new account to post here. ;) :aok
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wow, intelligent follow through we have here.
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Originally posted by cuisinart
wow, intelligent follow through we have here.
Read it slowly or it may cause you to go into shock or sumpin'. :D
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How old are you?
Think of the grandkids before you post.
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game, set, match.
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Originally posted by cuisinart
How old are you?
Think of the grandkids before you post.
Ah, that presumptuous gene of yours is the dominant one. Projecting the stress, I see. Think it might help you if I changed the subject or should I just skip pressing your button for a month and see if that's long enough for you to wind down? You made it obvious that you're a betting "man." What's the odds of you ever healing from this? :D
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Originally posted by cuisinart
game, set, match.
If you could referee all your own contests you'd win every one. Even the one's on the internet that don't matter. Guess everyone has their own unique coping tools. ;) :aok <- (my emoticon coping toolz) :lol
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:rofl
Ohhh my sides...
:aok Arlo
Mac
I am the next awmac.... with kung fu grip and a hidden folding knife.
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Originally posted by SIG220
Man, I sure would not want those guys shooting on me.
What guns are on the turret of that armored car on the left? Looks like maybe a combo 20mm with a 37 or 40mm maybe?? That would be a real nasty weapon to use in a firefight.
That is definitely not one of the new Stryker vehicles. I wonder what its designation is. Can anyone identify it?
SIG 220
It looks like the closer barrel is a .50 barrel and the far is either a 20mm or grenade launcher.
A 37mm or 40mm would seem to be far bigger.
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The smaller barrell is a M-240, not .50 cal. The larger is a 203 of sorts.
*no such thing as 37mm in today's American mechanized.
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Originally posted by cuisinart
The smaller barrell is a M-240, not .50 cal. The larger is a 203 of sorts.
*no such thing as 37mm in today's American mechanized.
That vehicle is an M1117 Guardian Armored Security Vehicle.
The smaller barrel is an M2HB .50 cal. The large diameter is a 40mm grenade launcher (Mk19).
Look here (http://www.geocities.com/banzaidyne2/hg2ed/m1117.html) and here. (http://www.military-today.com/apc/m1117_guardian.htm)
(http://www.military-today.com/apc/m1117_guardian_l2.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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your pic proves it all.
*first pic is a 240 and 40mm =203=mk19.
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Good grief, will you two get a room, swap drool or whatever subliminal longing you two have for each other?
Is that M1117 the newer vehicle profiled on Future Weapons? It has the V-shaped hull to better deflect the force of IEDs, etc?
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left, right and up the middle we're selling 'em to the racks. must not be too special.
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m240 fires the 7.62x51 NATO rd.. a .50 cal fires.. well .. a .50 cal
not the same thing..
the mk19 and the 203/m79 are not the same rounds..
not the same thing..
but whatever 8)
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Originally posted by cuisinart
your pic proves it all.
*first pic is a 240 and 40mm =203=mk19.
The closest barrel is definitely NOT an M240 barrel. That is most definitely a .50 HB. HB = Heavy Barrel.
The M240 is the modern replacement to the M60. As mentioned above, the round diameter is 7.62mm. The barrel is much lighter than that of the .50 cal.
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Originally posted by cuisinart
If rpm's a vet/tuffguy i'll kiss your ole wrinkly butt, arlo.
United States Coast Guard, BM2, 1979-1982. USCGC Boutwell WHEC-719, 13th Naval District.
I enlisted on my 17th birthday.
Pucker up and don't spare the tongue.
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Originally posted by eagl
Yea.
Many servicemembers, officers in particular, take their oath to support and defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic very seriously.
PARTICULARLY OFFICERS? :confused:
Dude, you're being an O-tool, again.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
The closest barrel is definitely NOT an M240 barrel. That is most definitely a .50 HB. HB = Heavy Barrel.
The M240 is the modern replacement to the M60. As mentioned above, the round diameter is 7.62mm. The barrel is much lighter than that of the .50 cal.
wiki will be the end of humanity as we're supposed to know it.
christ.
*at what point did anyone argue 7.62 wasn't the caliber? it's a 240, .50 lovers.
stuff the wannabe tutelage bohdi.
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Originally posted by rpm
United States Coast Guard, BM2, 1979-1982. USCGC Boutwell WHEC-719, 13th Naval District.
I enlisted on my 17th birthday.
Pucker up and don't spare the tongue.
impressive
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Originally posted by Widewing
That vehicle is an M1117 Guardian Armored Security Vehicle.
The smaller barrel is an M2HB .50 cal. The large diameter is a 40mm grenade launcher (Mk19).
Look here (http://www.geocities.com/banzaidyne2/hg2ed/m1117.html) and here. (http://www.military-today.com/apc/m1117_guardian.htm)
(http://www.military-today.com/apc/m1117_guardian_l2.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
Ty, Ww. I thought for a minute it was an old Cadillac-Gage V-150.
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Aint Skuzzy named Roy. I remember such things, cause I met Roy Rogers once in a bowling alley in Apple Valley, well not really met, I saw him, throw a spare. I was 10 and all wow that cool.
Dago got b&?:(
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Originally posted by cuisinart
wiki will be the end of humanity as we're supposed to know it.
christ.
*at what point did anyone argue 7.62 wasn't the caliber? it's a 240, .50 lovers.
stuff the wannabe tutelage bohdi.
Why do you insist on being obtuse? The turret mounted guns are .50 M2HB and the Mk19. It's not open to debate.
Besides, the M240 is gas operated, where's the gas tube under the barrel? I am very familiar with the M240 and its replacement for SOCOM, the Mk47 (both designed and manufactured by FN). I'm even more familiar with the M2HB.
By the way, did you even bother to look at the links?
Here's the M240:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/M240-1.jpg)
Here's a zoom-in of the weapon on the M1117: Where's the gas tube?
(http://home.att.net/~historyzone/halp2.jpg)
The facts are that the two weapons installed in the turret are as I described.
You can read the manufacturer's data sheet here (http://www.textronmarineandland.com/pdfs/datasheets/asv_datasheet.pdf) if you want your nose rubbed in it...
My regards,
Widewing
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Lets go into this then why did notthe US adopt the MG42, or MG3 the best GPMG of all time but instead adopt the abortion of the M60 and FN jobs?
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Ty, Ww. I thought for a minute it was an old Cadillac-Gage V-150.
Actually, it is a development of the V-150.... You were on the right track.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Actually, it is a development of the V-150.... You were on the right track.
My regards,
Widewing
he'd know. he just spent the last six hours of his googley lil life beefin up. no zinger stud, it's a 240 variation.
*keep searchin
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Originally posted by cuisinart
he'd know. he just spent the last six hours of his googley lil life beefin up. no zinger stud, it's a 240 variation.
*keep searchin
Why do you work so hard at being a dolt? You've reached the top of that mountain, stop climbing.
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This is why I like Widewing!!!
Straight to the point and rips into the juglar vein.
:aok
Mac
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MAR 240. knock yourselves out.
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butterin Idiot!
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Congress overwhelming supported action in Iraq. I still support it.
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Oh, and please remember, that just because you do not support the war does not mean I have to not support it.
Have a nice day.
So did you found your WMDs yet?
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Originally posted by Widewing
Why do you work so hard at being a dolt? You've reached the top of that mountain, stop climbing.
pompus much?
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WMD's located and secured.
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Originally posted by AWMac
This is why I like Widewing!!!
Straight to the point and rips into the juglar vein.
:aok
Mac
wannabe pompus much?
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Face it Assshat Widewing nailed you.
Nothing more to see here, move along.
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personal attack? mp's?
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Waaaaaahhhhh....
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Originally posted by cuisinart
pompus much?
(http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/dfp/PeopleGettingHurt002.gif)
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:rofl :aok
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Now that the religious nut-jobs are out of the Republican picture,McCain stands alone..i can't see him losing to Hillary or Obama.
so i would bet most troopers are going to vote for a decorated ex-vet.
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Originally posted by cuisinart
wiki will be the end of humanity as we're supposed to know it.
christ.
*at what point did anyone argue 7.62 wasn't the caliber? it's a 240, .50 lovers.
stuff the wannabe tutelage bohdi.
LOL, I actually own an M2HB. That is not a 240 barrel.
Get a life imbecile.
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Originally posted by Widewing
(http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/dfp/PeopleGettingHurt002.gif)
LOLOLOL The site I had linked to changed files! Gone is the animation and now this appears! Not bad, actually... Maybe it fits anyway.
My regards,
Widewing
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dont worry about iraq. mubarack hussein osama will recall all US armed forces from iraq leaving 25 million iraqis to be victimized by thuggish totalitarain slamic nutjobs who are turning out to be big supporters of the democratic party. No doubt funneling some of OBLs money to mubaracks presidential campaign.
If that happens you can expect osamas time in the presidency to be short.
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Originally posted by Widewing
LOLOLOL The site I had linked to changed files! Gone is the animation and now this appears! Not bad, actually... Maybe it fits anyway.
Fixed...
(http://home.att.net/~historyzone/PeopleGettingHurt002.gif)
My regards,
Widewing
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Haha who was cuisinfart? I daresay we have seen the last of him...
:lol
Edit: LOL he took Mac down with him heh.
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Originally posted by Brownshirt
So did you found your WMDs yet?
Perhaps you have access to the classified search material. I unfortunately do not. All I know is that they did find mobile labs, chemical shells, and indications that all Uncle Sadamm did was shut things down until the heat passed over. Also, it is interesting to note that during his interviews while a prisoner, Sadamm bragged about misleading the world that he actually had live chemical and biological ordinance. Add to that six weeks of heavy truck traffic streaming out of Iraqi military sites and into Syria, and I think it is probable that WMD's and or the research to manufacture WMD's did indeed exist and did in fact leave Iraq.
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Admittedly....I only read the initial post in this thread....and I stopped at "the war in Iraq".
By default....any time someone says "the war in iraq"...everything else after that just kinda sounds like charley brown speak, to me.. waaah waaah waaaaaaaah wah wah.
Iraq....dear friends....is a battle...in our global war on terror. One, I suspect we will be fighting for the next 50 years...mostly because we decided to ignore that part of the world since the end of WW2.
Not sure about memory loss here....but I sure do remember President Bush standing at ground zero on 9-12 telling us that we will go after al queda anywhere and everywhere......and we will be fighting a pro active....and not a reactive, war.
Enjoy the last days of a man in office who does the right thing (most of the time...dont get me started on border control) and a man who gives no thought to polls.
As an aside....I learned how fickle the american people are during the gulf war...when the liberals screamed that bush was going to get us into a long and protracted war....he then took the time to promise the american people that the MOMENT the iraqis pulled out of Kuwait, the war was over...and THAT is exactly what he did. Then....those same people who protested the war.....changed their battle cry.....and opted to say "Bush didn't finish the job". then....years later ....his son goes in to do just that....and the liberals are anti-war again. which is it folks?
Here's my prediction........ once the honeymoon is over.....president obama calls for a draft when he realizes how deep we're actually in it.
interesting times indeed.
God bless all our service men and women around the world.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Now that the religious nut-jobs are out of the Republican picture,McCain stands alone..i can't see him losing to Hillary or Obama.
so i would bet most troopers are going to vote for a decorated ex-vet.
sadly...your thinking is flawed.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Now that the religious nut-jobs are out of the Republican picture,McCain stands alone..i can't see him losing to Hillary or Obama.
so i would bet most troopers are going to vote for a decorated ex-vet.
bob dole was a wounded decorated vet.
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Originally posted by rpm
United States Coast Guard, BM2, 1979-1982. USCGC Boutwell WHEC-719, 13th Naval District.
That's right! Sandie's the corpsman. Doh. I knew that. Ya coastie. Bos'ns mate, eh? Heh. My CC tried to get us all to go BM.
Rephrase: Company commander wanted us all to switch rates to Boatswain's mate. ;)
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I have mad knot skillz.;)
Dang it Mac, ya let that little troll drag you down with him.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
My support for Ron Paul has to do with the fact that our country is being run into the ground by both political parties, and Ron Paul is the only one who is even talking about the issues that will eventually cause America to fall apart.
Agreed with your entire post, but clipped the most personally relevant part.