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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Anaxogoras on February 10, 2008, 07:30:45 PM
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A lone 109 pilot flew to the allied airfield 75 today, circled for a while, and waited for radar blips or some kind of enemy contact. Low on fuel and still without enemy confrontation, he expended all of his ammunition strafing the hangers, only to see a lone M16 exit the vehicle hanger. "Where are the spitfires and P51s?" he grumbled, and then landed uneventfully at his home base.
When asked why they failed to put up resistance despite allied numerical superiority (15:10), the allied wing commander could only be heard mumbling about cold toes and hot chocolate with whipped cream.
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lol u fly to a base where there is no opposition and expect to find opposition......
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how do you find out if theres opposition, unless you go fly there???
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Originally posted by Redlegs
:confused: :huh You do know theres dar bars, right?
Only friendly, no enemy.
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Originally posted by MjTalon
Only friendly, no enemy.
Ya but those green guys are hard to kill. I keep shooting them and somehow I keep dying.
If they don't fix this I'm going to cancel my subscription!
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so thats why my kill ratio sucks!! damn no one told me that!!!
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last night two or maybe three allied squads put up a combined bomber and fighter escort attack at about 25,000 feet deep into axisland.
it was beautiful to see with high altitude fighters and everything. they accomplished a little damage to a radar strat but other than that not much because they would not engage. since the strat needed to be taken down to 0% for points to be awarded the mission was fruitless in that respect.
they axis side had no clue due to the lack of enemy darbar in the AvA by the time they showed up on dot dar there was little the axis could do.
there was a discussion on 200 between a few of the players on both sides. the allied side contended that the mission was historic. the axis contended that the mission was pointless within the context of a game.
reflecting a bit on this pretty mission here at work I thought I might offer up some suggestions for any future missions in the AvA.
Post the mission on 200 stating the objective with the general path of ingress and egress. for example we will bomb base xx from base xx
give all the players in the arena the opportunity to participate by starting the mission within the following ten minutes allowing interested participants to land and up for defense of target or defense of bomber force.
award points to the respective sides for either a good prosecution of the objective and for a good prosecution of the interception.
this might be difficult to tabulate and confirm for the points to be awarded but this type of incentive could be a good vehicle for further growth of the style of play evolving within the AvA.
or not
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Originally posted by heythere
Post the mission on 200 stating the objective with the general path of ingress and egress. for example we will bomb base xx from base xx
:confused: :rolleyes:
One of the silliest ideas I have seen in while.
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Originally posted by waystin2
One of the silliest ideas I have seen in while.
Doing exactly that has created some of the best missions and most fun (for both sides) ever to be had in the AvA. Since you think it's a silly idea maybe you should try to figure out exactly what it is your missing. I could tell you but you would dismiss it off hand. Better that you figure it out for yourself.
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Originally posted by stodd
lol u fly to a base where there is no opposition and expect to find opposition......
Yes, some of us actually like to fight, even (gasp) at a disadvantage, and will up at a base under attack just to mix it up. Since you can't conceive of this maybe you should try to figure out exactly what it is your missing. I could tell you but you would dismiss it off hand. Better that you figure it out for yourself.
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Originally posted by KONG1
Doing exactly that has created some of the best missions and most fun (for both sides) ever to be had in the AvA. Since you think it's a silly idea maybe you should try to figure out exactly what it is your missing. I could tell you but you would dismiss it off hand. Better that you figure it out for yourself.
Please Kong never assume that I will dismiss out of hand a good conversation. I do see what is being suggested. The silly comes in when you actually think that both sides would willingly telegraph their plans of attack. I just do not see this happening. If both sides did this, I would be all for it. I would love to hear comments from both Truekill & Chapel on this.
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if they wanna let us know they're coming, we'd be happy to show em' a good time!!!!
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We used to have a thursday night mission that I and a few others used to setup. We'd give the possible targets, planes, and max alts. They were some of the best times Iv had in the AvA/CT, and the only time Iv seen 50+ people in there in the last few years. One rhine setup we had about 15boxs of bombers and around 10 P51 escort roll into germany. Axis rolled some Ta152s and 109G10s and two Me262 it was great.
I dont think they were saying post every flight on 200. They were saying if your going to roll a huge bombing mission it would be fun. If you have ever been in one youd know the best part is when the fighters start zooming in. Thats the only reason I would fly a two hour bombing mission.
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So as the Axis commander are you saying that large bombing missions should be somewhat advertised in future AVA evolutions? I agree with the fun part! Shooting planes is the fun part, whether you knew they were coming or not. It's why I waste 60+ hours of my life every month on this god-forsaken addiction that we all have! LOL:lol
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Im not saying should be, but it would be alot more fun trying to shoot them down then looking up at them from the tower because by the time they show up on radar the hangers are already down.
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Originally posted by waystin2
Please Kong never assume that I will dismiss out of hand a good conversation. I do see what is being suggested. The silly comes in when you actually think that both sides would willingly telegraph their plans of attack. I just do not see this happening. If both sides did this, I would be all for it. I would love to hear comments from both Truekill & Chapel on this.
I see this as a "time out" idea, and a good one. As TK mentioned, he and Filth used to do exactly this sort of thing. It makes for a lot of fun. Obviously it does virtually nothing to win the war (unless, of course, the mission is a huge success), but it's the closest thing to reenacting WWII aerial combat that you're likely to see in this game. It only works if both sides know roughly where and when things are going to happen; otherwise, as...um...Heythere relates, the mission is likely to be unopposed or only lightly opposed.
This map, btw, is ideal for this sort of thing, since both sides have air starts within a reasonable range of each other. Very possible to get a 25k B-17 group together with 51 and 47 escort, intercepted by 109s and FWs, and makes for quite an experience when it happens.
So, if you think the war can pause for an hour, you might give thought to trying this out.
- oldman
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so i am to understand that only 100% destruction scores ,,, i must say that i disagree with this , i do agree however to earn a full point it should be brought down to zero. so make it score from 0.01 to 1 , say a attack knocks a strat down to 25% then shouldn't the attacking team be awarded 0.75 points?
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Originally posted by heythere
this might be difficult to tabulate and confirm for the points to be awarded but this type of incentive could be a good vehicle for further growth of the style of play evolving within the AvA.
or not
I'll say this, if you can start behaving more civil and using 200 to be more constructive instead of vile and insulting, that in itself would provide as U say "further growth of the style of play".
MUGADAI of the MUNGADAI WARRIORS
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Originally posted by KONG1
Yes, some of us actually like to fight, even (gasp) at a disadvantage, and will up at a base under attack just to mix it up. Since you can't conceive of this maybe you should try to figure out exactly what it is your missing. I could tell you but you would dismiss it off hand. Better that you figure it out for yourself.
I was offering an answer to why no one may have uped. I dont mind fighting with a disadvantage and often defend bases being attacked. Whats ur in game ID ive never heard of any1 by the name of kong1?
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LMAO try KONG its not that hard to see.
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(http://ahjg11.webs.com/kk.jpg)
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TK makes perfect sense. if we know they're coming and they want some action, just let us know and we'll prepare for them. they'll get all the action they want and maybe a little extra.
be fore-warned we have some expert bomber killers on the axis side.
just dont cry when the action goes our way and not the allieds way
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Our squad was one of the escort groups in last nights mission. We may not have destroyed the factory but we all said it was a success since we all had a blast.
As for announcing where we take off and what the target is, I doubt you will see that. It ruins the fun for BOTH sides. Perfect example is the Avengers all poped into the AvA room one night and started flying 110s at one of the towns we just happened to be flying fighter cover. IF we had known they were coming and from what AF, it would have ruined the fun of going up wondering when and where the action was gonna hit.
We did try organizing raids like that in WW2OL by letting the Germans know when, where and what were gonna hit. Ended up have vultures taking off and vulching us as were were getting organized on the AF.
As for last night, the 109s and 190s that came in at us didn't seem organized. They kept coming in at us in ones and twos. We flew over 3 or 4 radar rings anda HUGE bardar before we hit the radar rings. Plenty of time to get up and organized as you climb up. What many players do is make the mistake of taking off from the AF right were the bombers are at. Try moving a couple of sectors over to a field that has a higher alt and fly towrd the possible bomber target. Far better than following in trail.
I will give you guys this much info. We won't be bombing a rear AF. It will be a strat target.
S! everyone that was involved in last nights battle. Looking forward to the ones coming up.
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Scouts!!? Have one plane or two in the air, in suppected hot spots to find the bomber force..or strike force and direct the killers in.They did do that in RL as well as radar.I like not being able to tell just where the "bad guy" is all the time.
...Tango>>>(snip)Perfect example is the Avengers all poped into the AvA room one night and started flying 110s at one of the towns we just happened to be flying fighter cover. IF we had known they were coming and from what AF, it would have ruined the fun of going up wondering when and where the action was gonna hit.
...see...thats the fun of it..thanks Tango :D
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Originally posted by heythere
The axis contended that the mission was pointless within the context of a game.
We flew a realistic, multi-squadron mission, watched the bombers hit a target, fought of the bandits as best we could, and overall had a great night in the AvA flying with (and against) the guys. That's the only point within the context of this game for me and the guys I fly with.
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Originally posted by Trukk
We flew a realistic, multi-squadron mission, watched the bombers hit a target, fought of the bandits as best we could, and overall had a great night in the AvA flying with (and against) the guys. That's the only point within the context of this game for me and the guys I fly with.
Amen!
Bring on CT.
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Originally posted by heythere
last night two or maybe three allied squads put up a combined bomber the allied side contended that the mission was historic. the axis contended that the mission was pointless within the context of a game.
Gamer vs Simmer always a hot debate in every game,
you can't tell other people how to have fun. Each squad has players attracted to its style of play, wether its historical or vulch gangbang to each his own just enjoy.
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RADAR
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Thats the thing. During the day they pork the radar so when people show up most of the front line bases are in the dark. For those that are saying that giving a heads up to the enemy is a bad thing. Its not like they are saying give them step by step details on where you are what alt your at and your speed. Just say on 200 "WARNING radar has detected enemy bomber in or around setor ##,##". If you again say thats dumb then you have never flown a old CT mission or FSO.
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Originally posted by Larry
Its not like they are saying give them step by step details on where you are what alt your at and your speed. Just say on 200 "WARNING radar has detected enemy bomber in or around setor ##,##". If you again say thats dumb then you have never flown a old CT mission or FSO.
A BIG bardar 2 or 3 AFS back from the frontlines is a pretty good idea that there is a BIG group taking off. When we see one we go up and start doing a CAP near the frontlines.
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isn't enemy bardar off? It is for allies we only see a friendly bar.
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Yes...No one sees enemy bar.
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Originally posted by Tango
As for announcing where we take off and what the target is, I doubt you will see that. It ruins the fun for BOTH sides.
You didn't fly in DGS, did you?
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Originally posted by Larry
LMAO try KONG its not that hard to see.
I was only wondering cause I dont remeber fighting him and that lead me to the question of how does he thinks he knows how I fight.
kong1 said- Yes, some of us actually like to fight, even (gasp) at a disadvantage, and will up at a base under attack just to mix it up. Since you can't conceive of this maybe you should try to figure out exactly what it is your missing.
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Originally posted by Motherland
You didn't fly in DGS, did you?
Nope, never have. Probably never will until they start doing them where all us eastern time and central time players can play.
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Originally posted by whiteman
isn't enemy bardar off? It is for allies we only see a friendly bar.
Doesn't the bardar show ALL aircraft in the sector?
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Enemy bardar should be off - only showing friendlies.
TOWER radar is on - showing enemy fighters in the area. :)
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Enemy bardar should be off - only showing friendlies.
TOWER radar is on - showing enemy fighters in the area. :)
Well, its not too hard to know theres enemy around when the bases are flashing.
We were RTB'ing from an escort mission when we were coming in low to our AF and all of a sudden several bandits poped up on the radar near us. It was VERY interesting to say the least.
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Originally posted by Tango
Nope, never have. Probably never will until they start doing them where all us eastern time and central time players can play.
To sum it up for you-
-It was played on RhineWin, the map currently in AvA
-Allies had set targets that the Axis knew about.
-Axis had 100 or so fighters that upped to stem the tide of allied bombers.
-Everyone had tons and tons of fun.
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well tonight the allieds upped a masive 30+ player raid in order to recapture A73. they were squashed in the process as 10 axis players whittled down the horde 10 other axis players swept them from behind by fighter nullification in the air and by denying the allieds a steady stream of new airframes.
once they no longer had 20k spawn capabilities the allied quickly became disheartened. once we recaptured A72 the other airstart base they mass logged off in huffy fashion.
wtg team allieds you showed lots of heart and even more class.
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once we recaptured A72 the other airstart base they mass logged off in huffy fashion.
That was weak.
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Thats not what happened, a squad went to the DA to practice. I thought the same happened it just was a coincidence when they jumped.
Congrats on kicking our arse tonight(2weeks), I only got to see 10-15 mins today before storm here booted me.
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hmmmm........................ . Smells like......................... ............
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/bull****-lg2.jpg)
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honest, it was just coincidental that they went to DA practice all at once right after they lost the base.........Yeah right.
Mommy, Mommy the mean axis guys beat us up again!! ..............
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Originally posted by whiteman
Thats not what happened, a squad went to the DA to practice. I thought the same happened it just was a coincidence when they jumped.
Congrats on kicking our arse tonight(2weeks), I only got to see 10-15 mins today before storm here booted me.
thanks for posting that. it's nice to know that it was co-incidental and not an attempt by the allied team to steal our victory by making it seem like we axis had stooped to milking.
on more than one occasion in the past they have done the same thing so it starts to look like spite from this side.
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It was vf-31 who logged out and went to the DA/MA after our squad night had ended. But it was atleast an hour after the A73 raid was squashed. We stayed and kept fighting, even scoring a major victory in the air against 15-20 axis before we finally left.
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Originally posted by heythere
thanks for posting that. it's nice to know that it was co-incidental and not an attempt by the allied team to steal our victory by making it seem like we axis had stooped to milking.
on more than one occasion in the past they have done the same thing so it starts to look like spite from this side.
We did not mean to do any harm. We are new to the AvA and are still learning all the rules. We are a LARGE squad and we will take our squad to the DA/TA on the drop of a hat to better our squad.
Accusations of us doing this repeatably makes you look like an arse.
You are so full of it!!
GFY :aok
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Hey ratt you're full of it, full of lead that is. Well at least you head is, whats left of it. :aok
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/P38G.bmp)
That'll teach you not to try to mess up my paint job.
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NICE!
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Originally posted by Larry
Hey ratt you're full of it, full of lead that is. Well at least you head is, whats left of it. :aok
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/P38G.bmp)
That'll teach you not to try to mess up my paint job.
Did you get my PM's after that? Good shot LMFAO <> :aok
That was the funniest thing I ever saw/happen to me in AHII :rofl :rofl :rofl good shot!
"WE BEAT BIG CITY PRI-CES"
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Originally posted by RATTFINK
We did not mean to do any harm. We are new to the AvA and are still learning all the rules. We are a LARGE squad and we will take our squad to the DA/TA on the drop of a hat to better our squad.
Accusations of us doing this repeatably makes you look like an arse.
You are so full of it!!
GFY :aok
I looked at the roster and there were 32 allieds a little later I looked again and there were 6. truely that was not the first time something like that occurred. my post was not meant to be offensive. man up a bit when you get the chance.
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Originally posted by waystin2
Originally posted by heythere
Post the mission on 200 stating the objective with the general path of ingress and egress. for example we will bomb base xx from base xx
:confused: :rolleyes:
One of the silliest ideas I have seen in while. [/B]
I was there, and the opposition seemed pretty good to me. Four LW 190's after my silly box of B-17's was a bit extreme imho.:rofl
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Originally posted by heythere
I looked at the roster and there were 32 allieds a little later I looked again and there were 6. truely that was not the first time something like that occurred. my post was not meant to be offensive. man up a bit when you get the chance.
It sure didn't come off that way. Are you saying it was meant in "General"? Or was it aimed at us?
I'm getting tired of the Chest Thumper attitude that has been aimed at my squad. If anyone has something to say about the VF-31 PM me.
Something so innocent has been blown way the F out of proportion & we have been lambasted instead of helped.
No wonder why AvA's numbers are low.
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I had no clue you guys were even on. as you say you are new to the arena so while you guys are new the pattern is not. furthermore at no time did I or anyone name your squad so it was clearly a generalization on my part and most likely everyone else's, aside from the fact that I thanked a poster for his clarification on the whole matter.
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(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/chestthump.jpg)
Chest thumpers, fall in!
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The AvA staff and myself have talked about this. Was no mass log off!! We logged because squad night was over.
So let it be done with!!
And as far as stating about posting missions on 200, until i see it from the Axis i will not do it!! I dont see you guys doing mass JU88/JU87 raids and telling us where your at.....
:noid
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eagleeyes, there are no axis bomb squads. but I'll tell you what we will be working on just such a mission for thursday night.
you guys will know where we are upping from what our target will be and what time we will roll.
you will have every opportunity to intercept and our team will have every opportunity to defend and we will not be in the leat bit concerned whether we hit self healing cartoon buildings or not.
lets see if we can pull it off.
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Except we will be die schnell bombers. :aok
Coming soon to a toolshed convention near you. Easily distinguishable by the sound of turbine engines preceding our arrival.
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Originally posted by heythere
last night two or maybe three allied squads put up a combined bomber and fighter escort attack at about 25,000 feet deep into axisland.
it was beautiful to see with high altitude fighters and everything. they accomplished a little damage to a radar strat but other than that not much because they would not engage. since the strat needed to be taken down to 0% for points to be awarded the mission was fruitless in that respect.
they axis side had no clue due to the lack of enemy darbar in the AvA by the time they showed up on dot dar there was little the axis could do.
there was a discussion on 200 between a few of the players on both sides. the allied side contended that the mission was historic. the axis contended that the mission was pointless within the context of a game.
reflecting a bit on this pretty mission here at work I thought I might offer up some suggestions for any future missions in the AvA.
Post the mission on 200 stating the objective with the general path of ingress and egress. for example we will bomb base xx from base xx
give all the players in the arena the opportunity to participate by starting the mission within the following ten minutes allowing interested participants to land and up for defense of target or defense of bomber force.
award points to the respective sides for either a good prosecution of the objective and for a good prosecution of the interception.
this might be difficult to tabulate and confirm for the points to be awarded but this type of incentive could be a good vehicle for further growth of the style of play evolving within the AvA.
or not
Sounds like a SNAPSHOT:huh