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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: texasmom on February 10, 2008, 10:53:38 PM
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http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=22819
Was surprised today to have read they withdrew their application to serve alcohol. Can't believe I didn't hear about it before that.
Booze at Chuck E. Cheese??? Wow, bad form! Took my kids there just yesterday. Would really suck to have a bunch of parents boozing it up while their kiddies play video games.
And this article says about 75% of the Chuck E. Cheese establishments serve booze already? Wow.
*edit* there's already about a thousand obnoxious kids in the place ~ would be *GREAT* to add in a whole bunch of obnoxious parents as well. Sheesh!
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This bothers you... why?
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Am I just uptight? I mean, I don't think at all that I am (of course)...
Nobody in our family drinks at all... and don't attend any social functions with our kids at which the adults will have booze.
But for a business that is in existence entirely for children ~ you should hope (I know... I just bashed "hope" in another thread recently) that you could go without a bunch of boozing parents.
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They need booze. It might make the food taste better... or make the parents not notice.
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Time for a reality check here. The business is for kids... but kids don't have any money. To draw the kids, you need to appeal to the parents. You're already subjecting them to dancing robot mice, ball pits, and screaming kids (not to mention, terrible pizza). Any little thing you can do to make it suck just a little bit less, the better your chances are of surviving as a business.
Plus, if you think that pitchers of watered down beer is going to turn a Chuck E Cheeze into a great big bar fight.... that's just not true. Time for some perspective, it's beer & pizza.
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I went to a Chuck-E-Cheese once; I now know exactly what its like to have ADD.
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Originally posted by texasmom
...Nobody in our family drinks at all... and don't attend any social functions with our kids at which the adults will have booze...
sounds a bit uptight to me...
what about a barbecue on the 4th of July or something, no beers in the cooler?
I wouldn't say you have to drink at a function like that, but you make it sound like any adult having a drink intends to "booze it up" like you say and get overly drunk. You do realize some of us have a thing called restraint.
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Pizza and beer? OH MY GOD!!!
Seriously Mom, you're wound a bit tight on this one.
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If I had to take a kid to C.E.C.'s I'd have to be pretty damn lit to take all of the damn cacaphony going on in there.
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Originally posted by JB73
sounds a bit uptight to me...
what about a barbecue on the 4th of July or something, no beers in the cooler?
I wouldn't say you have to drink at a function like that, but you make it sound like any adult having a drink intends to "booze it up" like you say and get overly drunk. You do realize some of us have a thing called restraint.
Yeah, you may be right about me being uptight on that one.
Nope, we don't even drink at 4th of July, 5th of May, New Years Eve, none of that.
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The Chucky Cheese here serves beer, but cuts all the adults off at 2 drinks a peice.
Don't ask me how I know... I think they are still trying to get the vaseline out of back fur of the Chucky Cheese costume.
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I dont see any problem here. Unless of course they make you drink beer to get into the place.
I understand what you are saying though, a child oriented place should not sell something that is catered to an adult market.
But then you think common sense would over ride "the rules"
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There is a pizza place up in Michigan called Peter Piper Pizza, they serve beer, the Showbiz pizza (I think it was bought out by CEC), serves beer. It seems to be an industry standard. As JB noted, "restraint" is the buzz word here. Besides, have you ever had the beer at one of those places? Calling it "beer" is a compliment.
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Land of the "Free" and home of the Prudes.
if Jesus didnt want us to drink, why didnt he just leave the water the way it was. "Eat Drink and be merry" You teetotalers make the rest of us Rightwing nutjobs look like the taliban.
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If im goin' to pump 200 bucks (easy) for a day at chuck e cheese, so my kids can play video games (isnt that why i got the xbox & pc for?) anyhow..im having a beer.
or im choking someone.
Hope this helps. :aok
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Anybody who's ever been there with their kids would probably agree that one generally doesn't hang around long enough for there to be an over-consumption issue. Although I'm not a drinker, I have a hard time denying someone a beer during their down-time. There's always the impaired driving issue but I've never seen a drunk at C.E.C.'s. I'm more worried about the attention span of some of the parents who are running on pure kid party adrenalin/stress.
And don't beat up on TxMom, I'll go out on a limb and guess Baptist sensibilities are the root of her no alcohol policy. I apologize in advance if I'm mistaken but I know around Dallas there's a huge Baptist population and I presume it goes for the rest of the state. Having been raised Catholic I never knew they had an issue with drinking but evidently their faith promotes sobriety. Although I don't tend to agree I can't argue the point either.
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If I remember correctly (I haven't been there since 1991), Dallas and most of the counties surrounding it are dry.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Land of the "Free" and home of the Prudes.
if Jesus didnt want us to drink, why didnt he just leave the water the way it was. "Eat Drink and be merry" You teetotalers make the rest of us Rightwing nutjobs look like the taliban.
It's not drinking that I have a problem with at all. Anyone can drink ~ no biggie. What I have a problem with is the location ~ a kids entertainment place.
They don't need alcohol to "draw a crowd." It's capable of drawing a packed crowd all on it's own.
The solution would be for me to just cross it off the list of places I'd take my kids to if they did ever begin serving alcohol.
That wouldn't be a loss to the business. For each parent who declined to be a customer as a result, three more families would decide that they'd like to go because of the drinking allowance.
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Perhaps you could help us understand your concern better if you described the specific nature of the problem you perceive. Are there things you're afraid will happen if beer is served? Or does its simple presence create a risk of some indefinable moral or spiritual injury to children?
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I don't think I could stomach too much chuckecheese if it wasn't for the fact that they served beer :(
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Perhaps you could help us understand your concern better if you described the specific nature of the problem you perceive. Are there things you're afraid will happen if beer is served? Or does its simple presence create a risk of some indefinable moral or spiritual injury to children?
My problem isn't with everyone else's kids. It's with my own kids. Any moral or spiritual injury is far from "indefinable." Hence my statement: "The solution would be for me to just cross it off the list of places I'd take my kids to if they did ever begin serving alcohol."
If everyone else wanted to still expose their children to alcohol ~ have at it. If that's the case, it would probably not be something out of the ordinary anyhow.
My concern here isn't policing up everyone else. It's entirely my own family.
As a "customer," why would you think that's it's abhorent for me to choose not to go there if they serve alcohol? Does your opinion as a customer have more value than mine?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Perhaps you could help us understand your concern better if you described the specific nature of the problem you perceive.
Yeah, I'm curious what's the root of the problem here. It can't be that you think the kids would be served beer... so like you said I'm assuming you are worrying about adults drinking? Shouldn't your problem be with irresponsible adults, then?
Personally, I think the more exposure kids have to alcohol, the less likely they are as adults to abuse it.
Edit: Posted this a second after your post above. :)
I'm not seeing a clear answer there, just evasions (no offense). May I ask what the specific problem with kid around adults drinking beer is?
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ahha, demon rum raises it's evil specter,..... alcohol , the downfall of civilization.
or the savior, you decide.
some people drink so they can tolerate intolerant people.
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I don't think I'm being evasive at all ~ in fact, I thought it was pretty clear from the combination of my previous posts that our family doesn't drink alcohol, and I don't want my kids going (to a kids entertainment center) and even be in an environment that shows alcohol as appropriate or acceptable.
It may sound evasive if you have an opposing view, but it's really not evasive at all. It looks pretty cut & dry to me.:)
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Originally posted by rpm
Pizza and beer? OH MY GOD!!!
Seriously Mom, you're wound a bit tight on this one.
Pizza & beer sounds great for a friday night poker game at Joe's garage... but for Chuck E. Cheese? No, on second thought, I don't think I'm wound too tight on this one.
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where is this "Joe's garage... ", i need a "tune up".:D
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Alcohol abuse is very, very common in folks who come from strict tee-totaler families, so I'm guessing that you have other concerns other than that they'll use alcohol (since you're setting them up for a 'forbidden fruit' syndrome when they're older). What are those other concerns?
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Originally posted by sluggish
If I remember correctly (I haven't been there since 1991), Dallas and most of the counties surrounding it are dry.
I think that goes precinct to precinct, or district or whatever they call it.
I remember having to get beer at the 7-11 and go across the street to a place I recall being called The Spanish Galleon. Great hushpuppies btw.
But the beer was for the folks, this was years ago. I've been drinking in bars and restaurants in Dallas every time I'm in town for years so I don't know what the particulars are. I do know that some areas are dry. I never leave Dallas proper when I'm there so I can't speak for the surrounding counties.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Alcohol abuse is very, very common in folks who come from strict tee-totaler families, so I'm guessing that you have other concerns other than that they'll use alcohol (since you're setting them up for a 'forbidden fruit' syndrome when they're older). What are those other concerns?
Why would you dismiss my concern about my kids with such smart-ass remarks?
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My apologies if it came across as smart-ass, that wasn't my intention. As I mentioned, I'm guessing that you have other concerns about alcohol, and I was wondering if you'd consider sharing them. If it's private, then I withdraw my question in respect of your wishes.
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Is it actually that unbelievable that I would oppose my kids being exposed to alcohol enough that I avoid taking them to places that serve alcohol? I'm sure I'm not the only parent who does that... There's no hidden agenda, no secret alternative reason, or sidebar concern. It's just what I already said it is.
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I will have to say
and I don't want my kids going (to a kids entertainment center) and even be in an environment that shows alcohol as appropriate or acceptable.
that sounds a lot like putting blinders on saying "if I don't see it, it doesn't exist"
I don't propose you show kids intentionally something you consider "immoral" or wrong, but if you do attempt to shelter them too much I think one day they will see something and wonder...
Just my opinion
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It would be not at all realistic to think that my kids won't drink when they get a little bit older. EVERY kid drinks ~ every single one of them, no matter what you teach them when they're growing up.
But when they fall back to the examples set for them, and remember things they were taught earlier ~ that's what they're going to have to fall back on.
When it comes to smoking ~ once they start that... their fall back will be that it's completely acceptable (because txdad & I both smoke)... and that's a real shame ~ they'll see that it's totally okay ~ since their example showed them it was okay. At least with drinking when it's time to fall back, they'll have a better example to return to.
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Seems like confusion between "setting a good example" and "failing to set any example at all". If you expose them to an environment where other people are drinking but you aren't, you have an opportunity to set an example that they can fall back on. If they never see alcohol, it's perfectly reasonable for them to assume that maybe you _do_ drink, but only when they're not around.
We're all responsible for our own lives and decide how we raise our kids, but it's interesting understanding why folks make the decisions that they do. I hope you don't see this as an attempt to strong-arm you into boozing it up or anything, I'm just honestly curious about how logically everything comes together.
Are you sure you're not confusing "setting a positive example" with "failing to set an example either way"?
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Originally posted by texasmom
It would be not at all realistic to think that my kids won't drink when they get a little bit older. EVERY kid drinks ~ every single one of them, no matter what you teach them when they're growing up.
But when they fall back to the examples set for them, and remember things they were taught earlier ~ that's what they're going to have to fall back on.
When it comes to smoking ~ once they start that... their fall back will be that it's completely acceptable (because txdad & I both smoke)... and that's a real shame ~ they'll see that it's totally okay ~ since their example showed them it was okay. At least with drinking when it's time to fall back, they'll have a better example to return to.
TxMom, I speak as a father of three girls ages 13, 9 and 8.
I agree with your motives and your concerns mom. But, with the logic above, wouldn't it be better to educate your children about what alcohol does, how it affects your body/mind and how it can affect others people's lives around them (ie: drunk driving, alcoholism etc) and explain to them why you and Dad choose not to partake? I completely understand your desire to protect your kids from that world as long as you can but it will be an unfortunate wake-up call for them when they are suddenly thrusted into that environment the first time they hit a high school party. Then, they will default to what you have instilled in them from the beginning. If there is nothing to default to, they are left to peer-pressure and their own, adolescent, decision making ability. I teach my kids about such things so that they know the right decision and have a better chance to make that decision. Leading by example is a great parenting and life skill. But, they have no comparison or education about what alcohol does; just the memory that Mom and Dad don't do it. That may not be enough if your child is faced with severe peer-pressure to "try it".
Besides, Chuck-E-Cheese is just a kiddie-casino that teaches them the longer they feed the machine tokens (money), the more chance they have to win big! I think the Vegas Elite and Indian Tribes own all the Chuck-E-Cheese and other establishments like it. Training up future gambling addictions. :lol
:aok
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Originally posted by texasmom
Am I just uptight? I mean, I don't think at all that I am (of course)...
Nobody in our family drinks at all... and don't attend any social functions with our kids at which the adults will have booze.
But for a business that is in existence entirely for children ~ you should hope (I know... I just bashed "hope" in another thread recently) that you could go without a bunch of boozing parents.
Well Mom any woman that goes to a boozing Chucky Cheese, and gets victimized, is guilty for putting herself there. Right?
You give the animals who call themselves the Saudi Religious Police a pass for beating a woman having coffee with co-workers but you slam Chucky Cheese for allowing Free Americans to have a glass of beer on their kids B-day?
And your from Texas? Boy, the Texas I remember you can legally drive down the highways drinking road pops.
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
Besides, Chuck-E-Cheese is just a kiddie-casino that teaches them the longer they feed the machine tokens (money), the more chance they have to win big! I think the Vegas Elite and Indian Tribes own all the Chuck-E-Cheese and other establishments like it. Training up future gambling addictions. :lol
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I have been saying that for years. CEC and GattiTown, their game areas sound just like a casino...feed the machines money and get tickets for prizes...
As far as alcohol goes... I am on the local USBC board for bowling. I also coach kids on Saturday mornings. A long standing regulation under ABC and now USBC is no alcohol consumption or smoking in the bowling alleys during Youth Leages, Bowling tournaments, or any other functions for Youth even outside of bowling alleys (dinners, award banquets etc). The Boy Scouts have similar rules.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
And your from Texas? Boy, the Texas I remember you can legally drive down the highways drinking road pops.
That was a long time ago... not anymore... for a long time...
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Even Disneyland serves beer.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Even Disneyland serves beer.
They give it away for free at Busch Gardens at the "complimentary houses".
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I think I'd rather take a beating than have to take the kids to CEC's.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
That was a long time ago... not anymore... for a long time...
Somehow I doubt road-popping has stopped in Texas.:lol Ive driven across it many times and if there was ever a time for road-popping its during drives across Texas.
I quit drinking 7 years ago but even I say bring on the beer to Chucky Cheese. This is America!
But, then again, I pretty much despise Goverment intrusion into our lives.
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Anyone remember Sho-Biz pizza, it was like Chuck E Cheese? Not sure if it was just in Texas or not. I wonder why they went outta business.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Seems like confusion between "setting a good example" and "failing to set any example at all". If you expose them to an environment where other people are drinking but you aren't, you have an opportunity to set an example that they can fall back on. If they never see alcohol, it's perfectly reasonable for them to assume that maybe you _do_ drink, but only when they're not around.
You don't have to expose your children to an environment to teach them about it. Would you take your children to an orgy or to a drug party? Most reasonable people would not because it would do the children more harm then good.
TexasMom believes it would cause more harm than good and I applaud her resolve in the face of popular opinion.
Who knows, maybe she's trying to avoid them seeing a bunch of rednecks throwing pizza in the fans, stealing beer, crashing their vintage TransAm into a hapless pizza delivery car and leading the cop's on a high speed chase.
It could happen. ;)
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Originally posted by texasmom
Is it actually that unbelievable that I would oppose my kids being exposed to alcohol enough that I avoid taking them to places that serve alcohol? I'm sure I'm not the only parent who does that... There's no hidden agenda, no secret alternative reason, or sidebar concern. It's just what I already said it is.
Nothing wrong with that at all. Raise your kids as you see fit..... it's called parenting. Not enough of it these days.
Now as far as not going to places that serve alcohol... that pretty much takes away every restaurant in this area. No baseball games...... no sports what-so-ever.
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Originally posted by ChickenHawk
You don't have to expose your children to an environment to teach them about it. Would you take your children to an orgy or to a drug party? Most reasonable people would not because it would do the children more harm then good.
so now drinking a beer is the same as a "an orgy or a drug party'?
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Originally posted by john9001
so now drinking a beer is the same as a "an orgy or a drug party'?
If you go back and read my post, nowhere did I say they were even in the same ballpark. Any individual with a modicum of morality would clearly see the escalation of the latter over the former.
I simply took issue with the logic that you need to expose your children to a situation to teach them about it.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
You give the animals who call themselves the Saudi Religious Police a pass for beating a woman having coffee with co-workers
Sorry, but gotta say something here. She wasn't giving anyone a pass to do anything. Sounded more like a warning to obey laws in foreign countries or suffer the consequences of their strict laws. She is absolutely spot on about that.
Les
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I went to a Chuck-E-Cheese once; I now know exactly what its like to have ADD.
I went to Chuck E Cheese once myself and know exactly what you mean.
I really like the Bloom'n Onion at Outback.
Sometimes I just get it as a take out.
Did I ever show you the pictures of my garden?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Did I ever show you the pictures of my garden?
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I went to the White House once when I was 15, I got to see the Rose Garden... but I dont remember seeing any pizza and beer there...whats that song "I didnt promise you a rose garden".... I think lyrics in songs can be so silly...
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I think you should worry more about your kid going emo/goth then booze at chucky cheese.
Especialy if you are worried about "moral or spiritual injury".
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Nothing wrong with that at all. Raise your kids as you see fit..... it's called parenting. Not enough of it these days.
Now as far as not going to places that serve alcohol... that pretty much takes away every restaurant in this area. No baseball games...... no sports what-so-ever.
No Disney land, no Disney world, no putt-putt golf (all the ones I have ever been too have a snack bar and have beer), no Six Flags, no go-carts, no mall, no TV..ect. Your logic of boycotting a place because they server beer and your children might see it is seriously off target and flawed.
There is such a thing as over parenting. I have a seven year old son. We have season tickets to the Braves, there is beer everywhere. You go to the movies here, you can get beer in those plastic bottles. He sees people drinking all the time. He has seen me drink. So far he has not hit the bottle. I am sure it hasn't hurt him. I don't see the issue.
I mean, I am sitting here thinking of all the places you and your kids can be, and be around alcohol. Airlines..sheesh.. I didn't even think of those. You going to cross all the major carriers off your list too? They all serve beer and alcohol. Are you going to keep your kids inside and watching TBN their whole lives out of fear they may get hurt?
The point I am making is you are over reacting to this BIG TIME. Over parenting is in some ways just as bad as not parenting at all. Because when your kids do grow up and move out, there is going to come a point shortly there after, when they realize they can do whatever they want. They are going to raise hell, they are going to drink harder and party harder than the kids who went down to the river on a Friday night with a keg of beer back in high school.
Live and learn. Your kids gotta do it too. Being a parent is all about guiding them and dusting them off when they get knocked on their bellybutton when they do something stupid. Sheltering them can hurt them in a lot of ways.
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I'm going to take a different route and just say that nobody else is entitled to tell me how to raise my kids. Likewise, TxMom can raise hers any way she wants, and even if I disagree with some of the specifics on this, it ain't my place to judge. If everyone raised their kids the same way, life would be a lot less interesting.
I'm a parent, and I know I'll have wins and losses while raising mine. I'll get some things right and some things wrong, I just hope that in the end, my kids are well equipped enough to function effectively in our society, have the tools to be happy and succeed, and know that they're loved.
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All you need is Love....
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Some interesting and thought-provoking posts. Some even made me consider lightening up, Francis. :)
*edit* If I had a picture of 'the church lady,' I'd post it here. But tonight I'm too lazy to search for it, store it, then post it. :)
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They had beer! All these years and I had no idea.
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The internets is a funny thing, I couldnt imagine anyone telling a random person how to parent in face-to-face contact.
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Originally posted by Leslie
Sorry, but gotta say something here. She wasn't giving anyone a pass to do anything. Sounded more like a warning to obey laws in foreign countries or suffer the consequences of their strict laws. She is absolutely spot on about that.
Les
Yeah well the Law sucks! And anywhere you violate a law that sucks, and otherwise is a violation of basic human rights, then your not a criminal but a victim! The woman that got beat and humiliated by these ignorant, unwashed, towel head, religious cops is a victim!
What part of this cant you understand?
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Yeah well the Law sucks! And anywhere you violate a law that sucks, and otherwise is a violation of basic human rights, then your not a criminal but a victim! The woman that got beat and humiliated by these ignorant, unwashed, towel head, religious cops is a victim!
What part of this cant you understand?
Originally posted by texasmom
Rich, I'm not saying that their treatment of women is acceptable or excusable in any way, shape, or form...
uh ~ We were in agreement on that the entire time Rich...
and never did I say she was criminal. I only said that she knowingly put herself (for years ~ it's not like she was blindsided on the thing) in a country that places no value on her life.
At what point does any personal responsibility on her part ever come into play here? It should have been there: 1: when she decided to live in the country, and 2: when she decided to violate the law by sitting with her male co-workers.
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Mom, they're your kids. Raise them as you see fit. If you listened to the "experts" in here you'd wind up with a bunch of gun toting racists with carpeted garages.
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i was going to post a reply, but i think not.
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Let`s face it.....Chuck E`s is a cleverly disguised torture chamber for adults.
At every approaching birthday for my grandkids I break out the ceremonial Anti Chuck E mojo bag and do the dance. :D
Now I`m going to have nightmares. :)
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Originally posted by rpm
Mom, they're your kids. Raise them as you see fit. If you listened to the "experts" in here you'd wind up with a bunch of gun toting racists with carpeted garages.
Whats wrong with a carpeted garage?
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Originally posted by texasmom
Some interesting and thought-provoking posts. Some even made me consider lightening up, Francis. :)
*edit* If I had a picture of 'the church lady,' I'd post it here. But tonight I'm too lazy to search for it, store it, then post it. :)
(http://chenzhen.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/church_lady.jpg)
There ya go!
:D
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bwa! hahahahahaha! thanks repo :)
I found something I almost posted on here for you, but didn't want to get skuzzy riled up.
It had the OU shirt/hoodie on the left, a bottle of Tide cleaner in the middle & UT shirt/hoodie on the right. Caption was that Tide gets the **** out of shirts. :)
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Originally posted by texasmom
bwa! hahahahahaha! thanks repo :)
I found something I almost posted on here for you, but didn't want to get skuzzy riled up.
It had the OU shirt/hoodie on the left, a bottle of Tide cleaner in the middle & UT shirt/hoodie on the right. Caption was that Tide gets the **** out of shirts. :)
Little trick about posting pics. If you see one you want to put in a post, right click on it then choose properties. Next, highlight the pics URL, right click and choose copy. Now you have the pics URL to put in AH "IMG" user prompt.(http://http://chenzhen.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/church_lady.jpg)
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No, I do know how to post the pictures. I just didn't want to post one with the cursing on it. :) If I got PNG'd, who else would I be left with to torture with my obnoxious comments?