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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: sluggish on February 14, 2008, 09:16:30 AM
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Am I the only one who finds this completely outragous? Is this what we are paying these clown for?
linky (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/13/steroids.baseball/index.html?section=cnn_latest)
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I agree whole heartedly. What does congress have to do with baseball?
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term limits
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If you have time to post and complain, then you have time to write your congress person and tell them you won't vote for them again unless they get off their duff and focus on more important issues other than steroids.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If you have time to post and complain, then you have time to write your congress person and tell them you won't vote for them again unless they get off their duff and focus on more important issues other than steroids.
I thought you were my congressman?
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Baseball is big business and is considered your National Pastime.
Who else should be looking into it? Who else has the AUTHORITY to do anything about it?
Hearing the two sides of the story it sure seems to me that Clemens is in big doodoo. If it can be proven he lied he is going to jail. If I was him I'd have wrapped myself up in lawyers and taken the 5th right from the get-go.
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Originally posted by Curval
Baseball is big business and is considered your National Pastime.
Who else should be looking into it? Who else has the AUTHORITY to do anything about it?
Hearing the two sides of the story it sure seems to me that Clemens is in big doodoo. If it can be proven he lied he is going to jail. If I was him I'd have wrapped myself up in lawyers and taken the 5th right from the get-go.
It's baseball's responsibility to deal with this, not the governments.
Baseball itself has the authority to do something about it if they deem it necessary to do so.
Being a "national pastime" in no way warrants government involvment in this matter.
This is just another thing that government is trying to get their hands into. If they had it their way they would regulate everything in this country.
If people don't like what is happening they should send a message to baseball with their wallets. Once ticket sales start declining baseball will regulate itself in a manner that will rectify the situation.
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News Alert...Baseball wouldnt clean it up!
So, we're stuck with government meddling with it
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Originally posted by yankedudel
What does congress have to do with baseball?
MLB is legally exempt of antitrust laws, thus enabled to extort public funding, as such congress has a lot to do with MLB...
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What they said.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
MLB is legally exempt of antitrust laws, thus enabled to extort public funding, as such congress has a lot to do with MLB...
Please explain how they are enabled to extort public funding.
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Originally posted by Donzo
Please explain how they are enabled to extort public funding.
Please use web search, there's plenty...
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The government is past help..... only a matter of time till things blowup.
I've said for years we are on a path to another civil war. Won't be north & south.... but The People against The Government. The war won't be long as the government will still be holding meetings while the people take over and insert a new government of the People by the People.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Please use web search, there's plenty...
I took your advice and found this:
http://www.sportslawnews.com/archive/articles%201999/MLBantitrustMN.htm
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Originally posted by Donzo
I took your advice and found this:
http://www.sportslawnews.com/archive/articles%201999/MLBantitrustMN.htm
That's it? LOL
http://www.google.com/search?q=MLB+public+funding
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
MLB is legally exempt of antitrust laws, thus enabled to extort public funding, as such congress has a lot to do with MLB...
Then why doesn't the government just alter or revoke the exemption of antitrust laws from baseball instead of holding time wasting hearing on who used/is using drugs?
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Originally posted by Donzo
Then why doesn't the government just alter or revoke the exemption of antitrust laws from baseball instead of holding time wasting hearing on who used/is using drugs?
Money...
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
That's it? LOL
http://www.google.com/search?q=MLB+public+funding
Yes that's it.
The Supreme Court does not see it as extortion. They actually said it was up to congress to alter the exemption.
So while your links are to opinions and facts pertaining to public funds being used to fund baseball staidums, those facts and opinions do not mean extortion is going on.
Did you read it?
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Originally posted by Donzo
They actually said it was up to congress to alter the exemption.
Yes, and that answers the question: What does congress have to do with baseball?
Oh, btw, legalized extortion is still an extortion, and SC is right, it's up to congress to fix it...
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Originally posted by Donzo
Please explain how they are enabled to extort public funding.
team owner:: "build me as new $500 million stadium or i will move my team".
city:: "ahh gee, well ok".
BTW, the cowboys new football field costs one BILLION dollars.
have you ever seen a ONE BILLION dollar football field?
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I was pissed that money was used to build a stadium for the Texans.
When the Oilers left I said good riddance to pro sports.
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Originally posted by john9001
BTW, the cowboys new football field costs one BILLION dollars.
Fixed that up a bit for ya john.
;)
I just noticed this on yahoo:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080214/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bba_clemens_pardon
A pardon for illegal steroid use...or a pardon for lying to congess?
Either way...I couldn't help but notice that the article points to the biggest problem in trying to sort this out...all the democrats think Clemens is guilty and all the republicans think the trainer guy is lying. Result...stalemate.
What a great system.
LOL
It is almost like an O'Club debate.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Yes, and that answers the question: What does congress have to do with baseball?
Oh, btw, legalized extortion is still an extortion, and SC is right, it's up to congress to fix it...
You are correct.
But does inquiring about steroid use fix the problem of extortion?
Does it have anything to do with the antitrust exemption?
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Originally posted by Donzo
But does inquiring about steroid use fix the problem of extortion?
I wasn't arguing that...
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Originally posted by john9001
term limits
Already have these.
They call them "elections."
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Originally posted by Sandman
Already have these.
They call them "elections."
98% of congressman get reelected, we need term limits.
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Most congressmen get reelected because they never do anything in Washington besides warm a chair in the Capitol and vote the party line on everything that comes along, and the only time you ever hear from them is when they are-
A) Running for election/reelection. or-
B) Getting their name in the news by sitting on BS committees like this.
So people go into the booth and say "Hmm, I've never heard of that guy, but this one is running for REelection, and his name was all over the news last year for some committee or something he was on, so he must be doing a good job..." and they vote for more of the same.
I personally (and I'm a diehard baseball nut) am so Fn sick of hearing about this that I have gotten to the point where I change the station (I listen to xm175, the MLB channel on the way too and from work) as soon as I hear the words "steroids", "HGH", "Clemens", "Petite", "MacNamee", "Congress", or "performance enhancing drugs". I was actually reaching for the phone to call their studio phone number and tell them exactly what I (and every other baseball fan I know) think of this BS before I decided against it and just switched stations for the rest of the drive.
This is nothing but a bunch of congressmen with nothing better to do (read- no brains in their heads or leadership skills to be trusted with something worthwhile) seeing a chance to get their names on the news and in the papers. Those of us who pay enough attention to be ticked about it are in the vast minority unfortunately- the rest of the Sheeple in the US will never pull their heads far enough out of their rectums to do anything about it.
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Originally posted by john9001
98% of congressman get reelected, we need term limits.
No "we" don't. ;)
I think we need campaign finance reform.
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Originally posted by Sandman
No "we" don't. ;)
I think we need campaign finance reform.
and who will make this "reform", the congressman? Sounds like the fox guarding the hen house.
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The real question is...............If nobody has anything to say or finds it way passed strange that these cats salaries are in the mils for playing children`s games , who gives a rat`s posterior whether they use steroids or not?
They can shoot up nuclear waste for all I care.
Pro sports is the biggest joke on the planet.