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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Treize69 on February 14, 2008, 10:51:21 PM
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Saw this bad-boy in this months Warbird Digest. The regular F4U I saw at my last airshow was sick enough on the flybys, that beast has to be unbelievable...
(http://www.fargoairmuseum.org/images/Super_Corsair_1.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2884.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2888.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2932.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2933.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2934.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2936.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_3044.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_3046.jpg)
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Its an F2G Super Corsair for those of you who might not know already. Meant to be a high-speed fast climbing interceptor for the invasion of Japan. Never made it past the experimental stage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F2G_Corsair
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With all the "What If" uberplane requests a lot of the squeakers toss out, I'd LOVE to get my hands on the ship the F2G could have been if the Navy had been able to put the same resources into ironing out her problems as they did the standard F4U (which the racers DID have the time to correct).
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Can I have that canopy on my F4U-1A?
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Thing would probably outshine the -4 Hog the way a P-47N does a D-11.
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Based up in North Dakota with Bob Odegard.
He's part of the crew that did the new build 51As and is rebuilding the Minnesota CAF wings P51C Red tail. His son was piloting the 51D that was hit by the 51A at Oshkosh.
That F2G has a heckuva racing history with Cook Cleland. There is another one out there too as well as one that the USN still has I believe.
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F2G-1 to be more precise. We need the F2G-2 in AH; the wings fold.
They made something on the order of 10 of these, then the war ended and they were all sold as surplus. Post war we stuck with the F4U-4/5/AU-1. Pity.
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That is one hot looking Corsair.:aok
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Originally posted by Treize69
Saw this bad-boy in this months Warbird Digest. The regular F4U I saw at my last airshow was sick enough on the flybys, that beast has to be unbelievable...
(http://www.fargoairmuseum.org/images/Super_Corsair_1.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2884.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2888.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2932.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2933.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2934.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_2936.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_3044.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/chino/f2gweb/DSC_3046.jpg)
I think i just creamed my pants
:O
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Nice looking plane, the paint scheme reminds me of Japans rising sun though, kind of ironic.
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Awesome aircraft... too bad it's an F2G and not an F4U or FG, don't dig the bubble canopy on it. :D
Nice though, we've got one mini-version of that at work and it's my eye candy when I'm tired of stocking shelves.
Btw, Puck, the F2G never really fought. The Spitfire Mk.21 'fought' more than the F2G and neither are considered to really be service aircraft. They both pretty much entered service after the war in the ETO ended (though yes, I know, the F2G was in the PTO where the war would end later on). The F4U-4, though, actually entered service late in 1944 then saw combat in '45, so it's on the list.
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That bird raced at Reno this last year. Got to see it in person and even touch it :)
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Lovely airplane. That paint job has to go however. I'd prefer it in battle skin.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Lovely airplane. That paint job has to go however. I'd prefer it in battle skin.
And battle skin on a plane that was only ever used for testing and air racing would be... what?
Thats the way it looked in the Cleveland Air Races after the war, thats why it was painted like that.
(http://www.airfields-freeman.com/OH/Cleland_OH_F2G-1.jpg)
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Its parked most of the time in the Fargo Air Museum next to Bob's P51, TBM, and several other planes. Most of which are in flying condition.
If anyone wants to stop by for a look give me a shout. Be glad to hook up, meet for coffee etc. Been looking for my pics of this bird, but haven't found them yet.
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The writeup and photospread in this months Warbirds Digest are great, highly reccomended.
Warbird mags are my pr0n. :t
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Absolutely beautiful aircraft.
Imagine how horrible the forward visibility would be on take-off and landing.... That'd give the good old 109 a run for its money.
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Just imagine how you could might see your six when an nme plane came up on you!!!! cuz we dont got mirrors for those planes in the game.
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The F2G-1 was powered by the R-4360 "corncob" radial engine, which produced approximately 3,000hp. Projected speed at an altitude of 16,000 feet was 450 mph.
The F2G-1's cut down rear fuselage and bubble canopy had a pronounced negative effect on its lateral stability. That was something that the marginally stable Corsair design could ill afford, and is one reason why the Navy chose not to put it into production. Such a large increase in horsepower for such a small improvement in top-speed over the F4U-4 was another reason the design was allowed to languish. Finally, the F8F Bearcat offered much better vertical performance and slightly less top speed from a much smaller engine and horsepower package.
Regards, Shuckins
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Deflection shooting would have been a pain in the butt in the F2G. Later model F4Us and P-51s actually had their noses angled downward to aid in deflection shooting.
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Shuckins,
Given time I'm sure Goodyear would have ironed out many of those problems. Certainly, the pilots who flew the F2G as racers certainly did.
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Saxman, a dorsal fin, such as the type fitted to later models of the Mustang and Thunderbolt, would probably have alleviated the instability problem...at least to some extent.
The main problem with the F2G-1 was that, while the R-4360 produced abundant horsepower, the Corsair design was entering the area of diminishing returns. While the F4U-4 could produce speeds approaching 440 mph, the F2G-1 with 700 more horsepower bested that figure by little more than 15 mph. So, it was hardly worth the effort involved.
In any case, the advent of jet powered aircraft rendered further developement of such piston-engined fighters irrelevant.
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by Treize69
Thing would probably outshine the -4 Hog the way a P-47N does a D-11.
I'd take the D11 over the N any day, thank you.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
The main problem with the F2G-1 was that, while the R-4360 produced abundant horsepower, the Corsair design was entering the area of diminishing returns. While the F4U-4 could produce speeds approaching 440 mph, the F2G-1 with 700 more horsepower bested that figure by little more than 15 mph. So, it was hardly worth the effort involved.
It wasn't meant to be drastically faster, it was designed as an interceptor against Kamikazes- high rate of climb and acceleration. Basically the lovechild of a -4 Hog and a 109K.
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Treize,
I've heard yes and no to that, including that the concept of the F2G dated back to before the war began, and that she was originally designed to be primarily a low-altitude fighter.
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What I've read was that the concept of the engine was pre-war, its installation in the Corsair and its operational use were pure "Invasion of Japan might have beens".
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Picture hanger is hosed right now (says bandwidth error) but when it comes back here is a link to some of the pictures I took of it.
(http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=217085[/URL)