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Title: Bad Day at the Office?
Post by: Yknurd on February 15, 2008, 12:35:24 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23179699/?GT1=10856

At least you didn't trip and break something worth a million dollars.
Title: Bad Day at the Office?
Post by: Airscrew on February 15, 2008, 12:47:22 PM
did someone say TRIP?  Skuzzy?.....

Interesting about the description of the damage....

It went from "fractured" to "smashing it to bits", to "crushed".  I think fractured can be repaired, smashed to bits and crushed sound terminal to me...
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Post by: Gixer on February 15, 2008, 12:52:06 PM
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Originally posted by Airscrew
did someone say TRIP?  Skuzzy?.....

Interesting about the description of the damage....

It went from "fractured" to "smashing it to bits", to "crushed".  I think fractured can be repaired, smashed to bits and crushed sound terminal to me...


:lol


...-Gixer
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Post by: Curval on February 15, 2008, 01:14:54 PM
Either way it's an insurance claim.
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Post by: Kaw1000 on February 15, 2008, 01:36:25 PM
Can he play" Devil went down to Georgia"??
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Post by: Airscrew on February 15, 2008, 01:50:50 PM
Turkey in the Straw?... not much of a fiddle player is he....
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Post by: Jackal1 on February 15, 2008, 02:28:58 PM
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Originally posted by Kaw1000
Can he play" Devil went down to Georgia"??


Well....it is an 18th century fiddle. He just might be the one jumping up on a hickory stump. :)
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Post by: lasersailor184 on February 15, 2008, 02:59:48 PM
All these million dollar musical instruments, or even just instruments themselves are interesting, but I'd never actually have the courage to use it.




Take the Barrett-Jackson auction.  They have some amazing cars go through there.  But I would NEVER buy any of those rare, original cars.  These cars have very little miles on them, and the value would plummet if I actually drove them.  

And being a little utilitarian, I wouldn't buy something that just to stare at it.  I'd rather have one of those reproductions.
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Post by: trax1 on February 15, 2008, 03:06:46 PM
Wow, that would suck.  I was watching a documentary about a week ago and they were saying that the reason Stradivarius violins are so good and considered to be the best violins in the world is because of a mini ice age the planet was experiencing when Stradivarius used wood from trees growing near him in Italy, they said the mini ice age caused the tree rings to grow very little from season to season thus giving the violins he made a better sound, theres around 600 known surviving Stradivarius violins left.
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Post by: lasersailor184 on February 15, 2008, 03:10:31 PM
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Originally posted by trax1
Wow, that would suck.  I was watching a documentary about a week ago and they were saying that the reason Stradivarius violins are so good and considered to be the best violins in the world is because of a mini ice age the planet was experiencing when Stradivarius used wood from trees growing near him in Italy, they said the mini ice age caused the tree rings to grow very little from season to season thus giving the violins he made a better sound, theres around 600 known surviving Stradivarius violins left.


The engineer side of my wonders...   If that's true, why doesn't someone recreate it?  For example, try to make violins out of northern trees.  Or plant a group of trees north of their usual zone?
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Post by: trax1 on February 15, 2008, 03:14:32 PM
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The engineer side of my wonders...   If that's true, why doesn't someone recreate it?  For example, try to make violins out of northern trees.  Or plant a group of trees north of their usual zone?
I don't know, they just said that it was a theory on why his violins had a much better sound then any others ever made, they said that it was originally thought that it had something to do with the varnish he used, but testing showed the varnish was nothing out of the ordinary.
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Post by: heythere on February 15, 2008, 03:25:57 PM
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Originally posted by trax1
I don't know, they just said that it was a theory on why his violins had a much better sound then any others ever made, they said that it was originally thought that it had something to do with the varnish he used, but testing showed the varnish was nothing out of the ordinary.
the reason for musical intruments from that period producing that deep, rich and distinctive sound is the result of the trees having weathered the little iceage between the 14th and 19th centuries.  the wood is considerably denser due to the cold.
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Post by: ChickenHawk on February 15, 2008, 03:30:21 PM
Why the 17th century Italian violins sound so good is one of the great mysteries.  Some luthiers of today have spent most of their lives trying to find the answer to that question.  There are many theories but none have been proven yet.

It is known that an acoustic stringed instrument sounds better the longer it's been played though.  Maybe some of the violins produced today will sound as good in three hundred years.
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Post by: Airscrew on February 15, 2008, 03:48:42 PM
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Originally posted by ChickenHawk
It is known that an acoustic stringed instrument sounds better the longer it's been played though.  Maybe some of the violins produced today will sound as good in three hundred years.

so they just need a good breakin period... well he certainly "broke" his in...
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Post by: lasersailor184 on February 15, 2008, 04:01:05 PM
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Originally posted by ChickenHawk
Why the 17th century Italian violins sound so good is one of the great mysteries.  Some luthiers of today have spent most of their lives trying to find the answer to that question.  There are many theories but none have been proven yet.

It is known that an acoustic stringed instrument sounds better the longer it's been played though.  Maybe some of the violins produced today will sound as good in three hundred years.


In that case you can try to reproduce 300 years of use, and see what happens.
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Post by: trax1 on February 15, 2008, 04:04:34 PM
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Originally posted by ChickenHawk
Why the 17th century Italian violins sound so good is one of the great mysteries.  Some luthiers of today have spent most of their lives trying to find the answer to that question.  There are many theories but none have been proven yet.

It is known that an acoustic stringed instrument sounds better the longer it's been played though.  Maybe some of the violins produced today will sound as good in three hundred years.
Yeah but his were different, they sounded good and were prized for there perfect sound when they were made, not just 300 years later.
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Post by: trax1 on February 15, 2008, 05:06:50 PM
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Originally posted by KgB
I read somewhere that Stradivarius used hes own special lacquer,secret of which is lost.
reread my other post on that.
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Post by: KgB on February 15, 2008, 05:38:09 PM
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Originally posted by trax1
reread my other post on that.

Sorry,deleted
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Post by: Masherbrum on February 15, 2008, 06:24:56 PM
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Originally posted by Airscrew
did someone say TRIP?  Skuzzy?.....

Interesting about the description of the damage....

It went from "fractured" to "smashing it to bits", to "crushed".  I think fractured can be repaired, smashed to bits and crushed sound terminal to me...
I concur with your assessment of the situation.   :cool:
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Post by: DREDIOCK on February 15, 2008, 06:33:57 PM
somethign that old and valuable should only be played less then 4 feet from where its being stored.

Preferably in a museum
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Post by: Sundowner on February 15, 2008, 08:45:45 PM
Too bad about that fiddle. :eek:

How about a one of a kind phonograph wax cylinder?

RIP (Rest In Pieces)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SdmlE5j7OM

Regards,
Sun
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Post by: DiabloTX on February 15, 2008, 08:54:21 PM
There's various aspects to stringed instruments and how they get their tone.  Most importantly is the player themself.  A great musician can play any brand of instrument and still sound like themselves...and still sound amazing.  For stringed instruments you have wood quality.  What type of wood and how long has been drying.  One of the key ingredients I have found is the older the wood used in an instrument, NOT how old the tree is, is key to getting a great tone.  Wood that has been allowed to age and dry vibrates easier and fuller than wood that is still "wet".  That's part of the reason the older stinged instruments sound so damn good.  The same thing can be said of making amplifiers using the same wood; resonance.  The technique and ability of the maker comes into play of course.  But the one thing a 1959 Strat and a 1720 Strad have common is wood that's had a long time to age and mellow.

Remember what Gus McCrae said, "The older the vioin, the sweeter the music."