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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on February 16, 2008, 10:58:45 AM
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Been seeing stuff like this since around 1984?
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56480
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http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=45838
And I SEEM to recall one of those national Geo specials where they reported finding chemicals/organisms coming out of a spout like thing on the sea floor and turning into oil as they died?
The point was that the latest research is pointing at oil being something that our planet creates normally and many of the old oil deposits that were depleted should be refilling?
hmmmm....................
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Name one thing that we have ever run out of?
lazs
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Common sense.
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Wow, who knew that Titan had so many Dinosaurs?
-Sik
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Originally posted by lazs2
Name one thing that we have ever run out of?
lazs
American Lion Panthera leo atrox, Western USA, 8000 BC.
Ancient Bison Bison antiquus, USA, 8000 BC.
Beringian cave lion Panthera leo vereshchagini, Alaska.
Cuvieronius, Florida and Arizona, 400 AD
Dire Wolf Canis dirus, USA, 8000 BC.
Giant Beaver Castoroides ohioensis, Great Lakes region, 8000 BC.
Giant hutia Elasmodontomys obliquus, Puerto Rico, 1000 BC.
Giant Short-Faced Bear Arctodus simus, USA, 10500 BC.
Glyptodon USA, 8000 BC.
Helmeted Musk Ox Alaska, 9000 BC
Pygmy Mammoth Mammuthus exilis, Channel Islands.
Smilodon fatalis USA, 8000 BC.
Woolly Mammoth Mammuthus primigenius, Northern USA, 2000 BC.
Western Camel USA, 8000 BC.
Yukon Wild bellybutton Equus asinus lambei, Alaska, 11000 BC.
Antillean Cave Rat
Insular Cave Rat
Corozal Rat
Columbian Mammoth Mammuthus columb, USA, 5800 BC.
American cheetah USA
Bison occidentalis USA
Recent extinctions (1500 AD to present)
Puerto Rican Shrew Nesophontes edithae
Puerto Rican Long-nosed Bat
Puerto Rican Long-tongued Bat
Guam Flying Fox Pteropus tokudae
Lesser Puerto Rican Ground Sloth,
Penasco Chipmunk
Sherman's Pocket Gopher
Goff's Pocket Gopher Geomys pinetis goffi
Tacoma Pocket Gopher Thomomys mazama tacomensis
Chadwick Beach Cottonmouth Mouse,
Giant Deer Mouse
Pallid Beach Mouse Peromyscus polionotus decoloratus
Gull Island Vole Microtus pennsylvanicus nesophilus
Louisiana Vole
Puerto Rican Hutia
Puerto Rican Paca
Lesser Puerto Rican Agouti
Greater Puerto Rican Agouti
Southern California Kit Fox Vulpes macrotis macrotis
Sea Mink Mustela macrodon
Caribbean Monk Seal
Steller's Sea Cow
Badlands Bighorn Sheep
Columbia Basin Pygmy Rabbit
Arizona Wapiti
Oregon Bison
Eastern Woodland Bison
Colorado Hog-nosed Skunk
Big Thicket Hog-nosed Skunk
Smith Island Cottontail
Allen's Thirteen-lined Ground Squirrel
Banks Island Wolf Canis lupus bernardi, 1920
Cascade Mountains Wolf Canis lupus fuscus, 1940
Antillean Giant Rice Rat
Dwarf Hutia
Birds
Prehistoric extinctions (begin Holocene to 1500 CE)
Law's Diving-goose, California, 1800 BC.
Merriam's Teratorn, Southern USA, 8000 BC.
Moa-nalo, Hawaii.
O'ahu Petrel, Hawaii.
Nēnē-nui, Hawaii.
Pleistocenen Black Vulture, Western USA.
Saint Croix Macaw, St. Croix, Virgin Islands.
Giant Amakihi, Big Island, Hawaii
Puerto Rican Obscure Bunting , Puerto Rico
Stout-legged Finch, Kaua'i, Hawaii
Kauaʻi Finch, Kaua'i and O'ahu, Hawaii
Maui Nui Finch, Maui and Moloka'i, Hawaii
Maui Finch, Maui, Hawaii
Pila's Palila, Kaua'i, Hawaii - possibly survived until early 18th century
Scissor-billed Koa-finch, Rhodacanthis forfex-prehistoric Kaua'i, and Maui, Hawaii
Primitive Koa-finch, O'ahu and Maui, Hawaii
Ouahu Grosbeak, O'ahu and Maui, Hawaii
Recent extinctions (1500 AD to present)
Bering Canada Goose,
Labrador Duck,
Heath Hen,
Spectacled Cormorant,
Laysan Crake,
Hawaiian Crake,
Wake Island Rail,
Virgin Islands Screech-Owl,
Mauge's Parakeet,
Carolina Parakeet, Conuropsis carolinensis
Louisiana Parakeet,
Passenger Pigeon, Ectopistes migratorius
Laysan Millerbird,
Great Auk,
Guam Flycatcher,
Lanai Thrush,
Hawaiian Thrush,
Oahu Thrush,
Molokai Thrush,
Dusky Seaside Sparrow,
Kona Grosbeak,
Greater Koa-Finch,
Lesser Koa-Finch,
Oahu 'Akialoa,
Maui Nui 'Akialoa,
Kauai 'Akialoa,
Kioea,
Ula-'ai-hawane,
Black Mamo,
Hawai'i Mamo,
Lana'i Hookbill,
Oahu Nukupu'u,
Greater 'Amakihi,
Laysan Honeycreeper,
Oahu 'Akepa,
Molokai Creeper,
Lana'i Creeper,
O‘ahu ‘Ō‘ō,
Moloka‘i ‘Ō‘ō,
Kaua'i 'Ō'ō,
Hawai'i 'Ō'ō,
Guadeloupe Burrowing Owl, Speotyto cunicularia guadeloupensis
Guadeloupe Parakeet, Aratinga labati (18th Century)
Guadeloupe Parrot, Amazona violacea (1779)
Lesser Antillean Macaw, Ara guadeloupensis (1760)
Martinique House Wren, Troglodytes aedon martinicensis
Martinique Parrot, Amazona martinicana (1779)
Imperial Wooddonut, Campephilus imperialis
Slender-billed Grackle, Quiscalus palustris
Possibly Extinct
Bachman's Warbler,
Eskimo Curlew,
Ivory-billed Wooddonut
Reptiles
Prehistoric extinctions (Holocene to 1500AD)
Mona Tortoise,
Modern extinctions (1500 AD to present)
Navassa Curly-tailed Lizard,
Navassa Iguana,
Navassa Island Dwarf Boa,
Sulcate Blind Snake,
Saint Croix Racer,
Martinique Giant Ameiva, Ameiva major
Martinique Lizard, Leiocephalus herminieri (1830s)
Ameiva cineracea (early 20th Century, Guadeloupe)
Possibly Extinct
Culebra Island Giant Anole,
Amphibians
Vegas Valley Leopard Frog,
Catahoula Salamander,
Golden Toad, Costa Rica
Possibly Extinct
Golden Coqui,
Mottled Coquí
Web-footed Coquí,
Fish
Longjaw Cisco,
Deepwater Cisco,
Lake Ontario Kiyi,
Blackfin Cisco,
Yellowfin Cutthroat Trout,
Alvord Cutthroat Trout,
Silver Trout,
Maravillas Red Shiner,
Independence Valley Tui Chub,
Thicktail Chub,
Pahranagat Spinedace,
Phantom Shiner,
Las Vegas Dace,
Grass Valley Speckled Dace,
Clear Lake Splittail,
Snake River Sucker,
Harelip Sucker,
Tecopa Pupfish,
Shoshone Pupfish,
Raycraft Ranch Killifish,
Pahrump Ranch Killifish,
Ash Meadows Killifish,
Amistad Gambusia,
San Marcos Gambusia,
Blue Walleye,
Maryland darter,
Utah Lake Sculpin
Possibly Extinct
Shortnose Cisco
Crustaceans
Illinois Cave Amphipod,
Pasadena Freshwater Shrimp
Insects
Pecatonica River Mayfly,
Robert's Stonefly,
Fort Ross Weevil,
Mono Lake Diving Beetle,
Xerces Blue,
Palos Verdes Blue (Glaucopsyche lygdamus palosverdesensis)
Poko Noctuid Moth,
Midway Noctuid Moth,
Kerr's Noctuid Moth,
Laysan Noctuid Moth,
Noctuid Moth,
Procellaris Noctuid Noth,
Chestnut Ermine Moth,
American Chestnut Moth,
Phleophaga Chestnut Moth,
Central Valley Grasshopper,
Rocky Mountain Locust,
Antioch Dunes Shieldback Katydid,
Kona Giant Looper Moth,
Arachnids
Caribbean Monk Seal Nasal Mite,
Nevada Water Mite,
Passenger Pigeon Mite,
Mollusks
Coosa elktoe,
Carolina elktoe,
Ochlockonee arcmussel,
Recovery pearly mussel,
Arc-form pearly mussel,
Acorn pearly mussel,
Lewis pearly mussel,
Nearby pearly mussel,
Sampson's pearly mussel,
Steward's pearly mussel,
Turgid-blossom pearly mussel,
Shoal sprite,
Cahaba pebblesnail,
Umbilicate pebblesnail,
Mount Matafao different snail,
Short-spired elimia,
Closed elimia,
Fusiform elimia,
High-spired elimia,
Constricted elimia,
Hearty elimia,
Ribbed elimia,
Rough-lined elimia,
Pupa elimia,
Pygmy elimia,
Cobble elimia,
Puzzle elimia,
Excised slitshell,
Striate slitshell,
Pagoda slitshell,
Ribbed slitshell,
Pyramid slitshell,
Round slitshell,
Lined pocketbook,
Eelgrass limpet
Oh, I'm sorry. You said just one.
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Name one the we have run out of.
You are naming species.. they come and go with or without us. it is a survival thing.
Name a mineral that we have run out of. One that we have "used up".
lazs
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oil is not a mineral.
What you are losing is the energy stored in the oil. You dont lose the minerals that make it up, but you do lose the energy stored in it.
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Tell ya what Lazs, you come show me how to refill these Texas oil wells and I'll name a mineral we ran out of.
I could make a killing in Burkburnett, Odessa and Beaumont.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Name one the we have run out of.
You are naming species.. they come and go with or without us. it is a survival thing.
Name a mineral that we have run out of. One that we have "used up".
lazs
Ozone?
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Originally posted by wrag
Been seeing stuff like this since around 1984?
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56480
and
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=45838
And I SEEM to recall one of those national Geo specials where they reported finding chemicals/organisms coming out of a spout like thing on the sea floor and turning into oil as they died?
The point was that the latest research is pointing at oil being something that our planet creates normally and many of the old oil deposits that were depleted should be refilling?
hmmmm....................
Not a criticism of the science or the idea, but...those articles are poorly written, containing several grammatical and factual errors. They also seem to not understand some of the basic science going on here. They need to fire their editor(s).
However, it is possible to create hydrocarbons from carbon sources other than dead organic matter. This is not a new idea, and neither explanation/hypothesis invalidates the other.
Now the interesting question (at both a scientific and economic level) is what is the rate of production of oil?
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Originally posted by lazs2
Name one the we have run out of.
You are naming species.. they come and go with or without us. it is a survival thing.
Name a mineral that we have run out of. One that we have "used up".
lazs
Yeah your right, everything will last forever, we'll never run out of anything, the magic oil fairy will just replace it all.
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Originally posted by trax1
Yeah your right, everything will last forever, we'll never run out of anything, the magic oil fairy will just replace it all.
Do you ever answer questions that are posed?
Or is the smart bellybutton response all you are capable of?
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Originally posted by Donzo
Do you ever answer questions that are posed?
Or is the smart bellybutton response all you are capable of?
Wow you just seem to be obsessed with me and my post, but I gotta tell ya I don't go that way so your out of luck.
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Notice how he didn't answer the question, ;).
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Originally posted by mensa180
Notice how he didn't answer the question, ;).
Yep.
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Originally posted by mensa180
Notice how he didn't answer the question, ;).
Zing;)
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Originally posted by mensa180
Notice how he didn't answer the question, ;).
That's crazy. The premise of the question was faulty to begin with.
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I can't help it if Donzo has an unhealthy attraction to me.
And as for my OP is was pointing out how ridiculous it was to think that were never gonna run out of any oil or minerals.
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Originally posted by rpm
Tell ya what Lazs, you come show me how to refill these Texas oil wells and I'll name a mineral we ran out of.
A great many of them don`t need refilling. They were drilled and capped.
Also it has been found that oil fields in the GOM are refilling.
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LOL.. so you guys can't name anything that we have run out of? We have not run out of oil.. that is all there is to it.
trax.. you should think a little. We have been told on many occasions that we would run out of this or that but we never have.
We are not out of ozone or platinum or lead or gold or any of a number of things that we were told we would be out of by now.
lazs
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Well, I dont know about oil lasting FOREVER. I do know I listened to a late night radio talk show a year or so ago and the topic was peak oil.
One of the Scientists stated that in the gulf one of the larger oil fields that had supposedly ran dry was filling back up again.
They found this out due to drilling a few miles away. At first they thought it was a new pocket however when they did analysis of the oil and the surrounding area the determined it was indeed the same oil field that was replenishing itself.
They went on to discuss a growing idea that oil isnt just from dead plant and animal matter but also from other sources deep within the earth.
I dont know if its all true, partly true or some groups pipe dream. BUT, if any of it is true the implications are truly staggering.
One of the things that made this scientists argument very interesting is when he posed the notion that with all the oil we have consumed, all the oil we use just DAILY is it really logical to believe that it ALL came from some dead plants and dino's? Or is it possible that there is another source of oil deep within the earth and that it seeps upwards towards the surface at a continual rate?
Bah....its something to think about atleast
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no.. nothing lasts forever.. not this planet or it's sun.
But... I think it fair to point out that the scientists record for predicting what we will run out of.. or even what oil is made of...
Is every bit the equal to their record for predicting world ending disaster....
that would be... roughly.... zero frigging percent.
I have a respect for science.. I have no respect for artificial and political motivated hysteria or drama queens.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
LOL.. so you guys can't name anything that we have run out of? We have not run out of oil.. that is all there is to it.
trax.. you should think a little. We have been told on many occasions that we would run out of this or that but we never have.
We are not out of ozone or platinum or lead or gold or any of a number of things that we were told we would be out of by now.
lazs
So you think that we will never run out of oil? You think thats there is an infinite supply of it and it's like and bottomless barrel that will never empty?
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i think what they are saying is that oil is a self renewable resource.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Ozone?
Ozone is not a mineral, and there is plenty of it in Houston or LA.
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Most of the oil we use was made during a time period when the earth was much much warmer than it is today. A time when the planet was teeming with plant and animal life. The Carboniferous Period occurred from about 360 to 286 million years ago. At the time, the land was covered with swamps filled with huge trees, ferns and other large leafy plants. It seems that a warm planet is a good place to create biomass.
What better way to use the oil than to heat up the planet and recreate the earth as it was when the oil was first created thereby completing the cycle and guaranteeing the earth will never run out of oil. Lazs is of coarse correct that we will never run out of oil. The day will come when the alternatives are more economically viable to use but there will still be oil and more being made all the time.
It is arrogant of humans to believe that they can do anything to damage "the planet". It has shrugged off massive asteroids strikes and global vulcanizm. We can make it less hospitable for humans which means some will die off; from starvation, from disease, from fighting over what's left. And in short order there will be less of us and whatever minor short term effects we caused will snap back.
In the end we are all completely insignificant in global terms and the planet will carry on just fine until it runs out of the only thing it needs: the sun.
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Disclaimer: This is not a troll even though it may suggest that what is bad for people is good for the planet and that we are all just irritating little leaches to be flicked off and discarded.
:D
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Originally posted by john9001
i think what they are saying is that oil is a self renewable resource.
Yes it is a self renewable source, but the time it takes for it to be renewed is alot longer then the speed at which were using it.
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Wow so all we need to do is to tow Titan next to earth and start pumping! Great news.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Wow so all we need to do is to tow Titan next to earth and start pumping! Great news.
:rofl
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Originally posted by trax1
You think thats there is an infinite supply of it and it's like and bottomless barrel that will never empty?
If a barrel was bottomless, how could it be anything but empty?
I prefer to think of it as a barrel with a bottom that is neither half empty or half full...it's always somewhere in between.
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if you put the bottomless barrel on a treadmill..........
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Originally posted by john9001
if you put the bottomless barrel on a treadmill..........
and frictionless one at that.......
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Originally posted by Donzo
and frictionless one at that.......
Will it roll backwards evenly keeping up with the treadmill or slowly fall behind for some reason
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Is the treadmill level, and is there air resistance?
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Originally posted by KONG1
It is arrogant of humans to believe that they can do anything to damage "the planet".
Cough Nuclear world war cough
The article misleads anyone who doesn't know any better. Any wording would have fooled a good number of people, e.g. "organic compounds", etc.
The best way to say it, if a link needs to be made to oil or exploitable materials, is to say that Titan has immense amounts of energy stored in that volume of compounds.
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Oil is the result of billions and billions of generations of green algae that absorbed energy from the sun that died and sank to the bottom of the ocean to be cooked over millions of years to just the right recipe...
Our oldest bio-fuel.. If we could just speed up the process abit 8)
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Originally posted by wrag
The point was that the latest research is pointing at oil being something that our planet creates normally and many of the old oil deposits that were depleted should be refilling?
hmmmm....................
But it'll take another 100 million years to refill them. :D
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Originally posted by moot
Cough Nuclear world war cough
The earth is around 4.5 billion years and the sun middle aged. The combined destruction and fall out of every nuclear warhead on the planet plus the ensuing nuclear winter would effect the earth about as much and for as long as it takes a fart to flap your butt cheeks together.
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Sounds a bit relativistic. What's the criteria for "damage"?
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Originally posted by moot
Cough Nuclear world war cough
That's just theory. Nobody has ever tested it.
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Originally posted by rpm
Cut and paste job lolz?
How about just this rpm:
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/RIC/2450-1910~Dinosaurs-Posters.jpg)
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I don't think anyone is trying to say that no living things on this planet have ever disappeared, theres millions of species that have gone extinct.
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Originally posted by moot
Sounds a bit relativistic. What's the criteria for "damage"?
Exactly, I think the only damage were(i.e humans) are worried about is the damage that would effect us, ofcourse anything humans could do to the planet could and would eventually be repaired on its own over millions of years.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Name one thing that we have ever run out of?
lazs
I ran out of Bourbon.
****.
-Sik
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I'm just wondering why my #1, 2 & 3 wells quit producing anything but saltwater. Lazs tells me they are refilling, but the petroleum engineers at Devon say the wells are depleted.
Hmm, who should I believe, a several guys with a degrees in petroleum engineering or some nutbag on the intardweb?
Say Lazs, just how many oil wells have you mapped and drilled?
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You drilled to deep, and came out in the South China Sea.
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You don't run out of commodities, their price becomes too high to be used and alternatives have to be found...
... if you can find an alternative.
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trax.. that is exactly what I am saying.. that we will always have oil.. we may have more or less of a supply of it from time to time but.. it will still exists long after we are gone.
Rpm tells us that if his well runs dry that proves that we can run out of oil.. no.. it proves only that one spot can run out of oil for a short period of time. Oil has been discovered everywhere it is drilled for in the ocean.. fields with billions of barrels a year off south america and the gulf of mexico. It is foolish to think that even bigger fields are not out there.. more than we have used to date.
That being the case.. we will eventually get off the oil habit.. 100, 200 years from now.. whatever. oil will then, eventually, start bubbling up through the ground again and be a simple nucience ruining crops and such. The bacwards 9th century religion types will have sand and useless oil and not much else.
lazs
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Originally posted by moot
Cough Nuclear world war cough
no,
Kong is right.
the planet has been through far worse then anything we can ever hope to throw at it.
Including nuclear war.
As Carlin said
The PLANET is fine.
The PEOPLE are screwed.
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Originally posted by KONG1
Most of the oil we use was made during a time period when the earth was much much warmer than it is today. be flicked off and discarded.
:D
But..but...but...
I thought it was factories and car emissions that made the earth warm!:D
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The vast majority of geologists and other scientists subscribe to the biogenic theory of oil.
A small minority believe in abiogenic theory of oil.
If I was going to make decisions about this resource that could severely impact the future of mankind, I know which theory I would base it on.
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Since oil is an organic based thing in the beginning, and gets created, it is being created all the time.
However, as far as the best math goes, what we use in a day, goes on the balance of 1 to 10.000.
So, when do we run out of oil?
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angus.. I don't know when we run out but I know it isn't in 1990.
I tend to believe that we won't. We may not even ever get low on supply..
We may deplete the readily available (by todays standards) supply but that is not even certain.
Might as well consult a gypsy as listen to the hand wringers.
lazs
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Ahh, maybe this curve has the answer?
(http://www.gulland.ca/depletion/hubbertcurve.gif)
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whats that? another computer model?
the truth is the earth will officially run out of oil on July 15, 2030, you will receive this news in your solar power home or your electric car.
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Originally posted by rpm
I'm just wondering why my #1, 2 & 3 wells quit producing anything but saltwater. Lazs tells me they are refilling, but the petroleum engineers at Devon say the wells are depleted.
Hmm, who should I believe, a several guys with a degrees in petroleum engineering or some nutbag on the intardweb?
Say Lazs, just how many oil wells have you mapped and drilled?
you need to move up to the canadian and wheeler area, we are poking 4 holes to every one that was there and capping as fast as we can go!
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angus.. and maybe that "curve" doesn't have a clue.
lazs
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And out of none of those comes oil that is anything less than millions of years old.
But you can drill a lot of holes in a million years.
As to resources than mankind has depleted, - a complete depletion is difficult. But if you go to 90-99% of what used to be a booming industry that collapses, leaving practically nothing for a while, and then some yeald after some time, there are plenty of examples that "we ran out of".
Most of them (from the top of my head) would be from plants or animals, and areawise.
My country depleted it's forests to practically nothing, leaving almost no wood for utilization at all. It is still so.
We also have the dubious honor of completely exterminating a seabird of some rariety, well, being an excellend source of food, the poor one couldn't fly....
An example of depletion is the American Bison, and the huge business based exclusively on exploitation in the 19th century.
Some 60 million + of stock went down to practically nothing, but luckily not all the way. A big business also went under.
A good example of mining, the short term profit, and human nature comes from the tiny island of Nauru.
It's phosphate mines gave the few inhabitants the best GNP in the world, - while they lasted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru
And it was run by a corporate, which the government ran, it went to corruption, foregn innvestments, and then they ran out.
Economically a disaster, environmentally a disaster.
A small scale, - a scaled down globe really....
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Originally posted by lazs2
angus.. and maybe that "curve" doesn't have a clue.
lazs
Maybe you don't have a clue. Cling to your belief of unemptiable resources, but bear in mind that there are plenty of examples of resources being depleted down to the level of not paying off. Then we move somewhere else. Plenty of examples where the industrial revolution was born, such as coal mines in the UK and Germany which are now closed down. Does the UK have a single coal mine running now?
They weren't out, but it was getting a tad far fetched......I guess they'll open again one day and finish the job.
You see, when the globe has been hopped over a few times, we will run out....
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angus.. not sure what you are saying. Are you saying the world has or will run out of trees or ore that is mined?
What makes you think man will either not evolve or not die out before we run out of anything. The buggy whip crisis was averted narrowly... the whale oil crisis was averted... why sit around and wring your hands?
The entire length of the misissippi river was denuded of trees for steam boats.. end of the world right? they are back the steam boat paddlewheelers are not.
lazs
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Laz.
Do you realize that it's been around 2,700 days since you registered for this BBS?
And in those 2,700 days.... you've posted a mind-numbing 22,968 times.... an average of 8.5066 posts per day... Which proves something... you really are so full of sht it has to find its' way out somehow.
My god man... open up your front door and walk through it. Read a book in the park... live a little.
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Why am I not surprised to have read that? You're insulting him for the amount of posts while failing to mention that you took the time to research it??? LOL :lol Niccccce.
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Originally posted by texasmom
Why am I not surprised to have read that? You're insulting him for the amount of posts while failing to mention that you took the time to research it??? LOL :lol Niccccce.
Zing
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Originally posted by texasmom
Why am I not surprised to have read that? You're insulting him for the amount of posts while failing to mention that you took the time to research it??? LOL :lol Niccccce.
Hey-O!!! :rofl
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Laz.
Do you realize that it's been around 2,700 days since you registered for this BBS?
And in those 2,700 days.... you've posted a mind-numbing 22,968 times.... an average of 8.5066 posts per day... Which proves something... you really are so full of sht it has to find its' way out somehow.
My god man... open up your front door and walk through it. Read a book in the park... live a little.
If you had bothered to read some of those posts you would realize that Laz is living exactly the lifestyle that he wants to. Not many of us can say the same. And again, based on how he describes it, it sounds like a pretty ****ing sweet lifestyle at that.
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Hmm, who should I believe, a several guys with a degrees in petroleum engineering or some nutbag on the intardweb
I vote for the nutbag on the intardweb. :D
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My country depleted it's forests to practically nothing, leaving almost no wood for utilization at all.
So go plant some trees for crying out loud. I mean really, even if the saplings had to be imported......how hard can it be to plant some trees?
Planting trees would help with global warming because they absorb carbon dioxide. I know global warming is one of your favorite subjects. So get off your buttocks pal and get to planting some trees! :D
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Originally posted by lazs2
angus.. not sure what you are saying. Are you saying the world has or will run out of trees or ore that is mined?
What makes you think man will either not evolve or not die out before we run out of anything. The buggy whip crisis was averted narrowly... the whale oil crisis was averted... why sit around and wring your hands?
The entire length of the misissippi river was denuded of trees for steam boats.. end of the world right? they are back the steam boat paddlewheelers are not.
lazs
I am saying (if you read at all) that there are absolute examples from mankind of :
- killing off species of animals to almost or total extinction.
- Mining non-renewable or rather slow renewable resources down to the extent that there is very very little left.
- Paying little attention to where things are heading in a most thick-headed way.
As for the fossile fuel, - it's going to be down to drops one day. Maybe I live to see it. And maybe, by then, there will be another energy resource.
It may depend on the power of those who both don't belive in what's happening as well as fighting against any countermeasure.
Typical script for an American Disaster-Movie.....
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And educational matter, while pumping :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-renewable_resources
And the oil...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_depletion
The USA:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/United_States_Oil_Production_1900_to_2005.png)
Better find your drill, Lazs....
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Laz.
Do you realize that it's been around 2,700 days since you registered for this BBS?
And in those 2,700 days.... you've posted a mind-numbing 22,968 times.... an average of 8.5066 posts per day... Which proves something... you really are so full of sht it has to find its' way out somehow.
My god man... open up your front door and walk through it. Read a book in the park... live a little.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Do you realize that he probably doesn't care about your opinion?
I know I don't.
BTW I've noticed that both MORAY37 and Angus have had what appears to be kinda a thing that SEEMS to be aimed at Laz ever since they disagreed in the Global warming thread.
SEEMS these two individuals just can't allow any kind of agree to disagree thing to happen.
Gotta keep at the individual that doesn't agree?
Try their best to find a way to DISCREDIT the disbeliever?
How..... LIBERAL of the two of you?
OH and BTW Angus...............
IMHO Wikipedia is a JOKE!
Gotta be! The U.S. Government (BATF, FBI, ETC) goes through it and CHANGES things they don't LIKE.
IMHO that makes your source UNTRUSTWORTHY!
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Gotta be! The U.S. Government (BATF, FBI, ETC) goes through it and CHANGES things they don't LIKE.
IMHO that makes your source UNTRUSTWORTHY!
Just need to look for articles that are documented. Some aren't documented very well at all, others are documented so well it would take weeks to read all the links. In that respect, Wiki can be a very good place to start research.
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Originally posted by Angus
And educational matter, while pumping :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-renewable_resources
And the oil...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_depletion
The USA:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/United_States_Oil_Production_1900_to_2005.png)
Better find your drill, Lazs....
I just skimmed the article, but what I didn't see was any reference to onerous environmental regulations that prevent oil companies from drilling in certain areas (ANWAR, Gulf Coast, California Coast, etc.). In other words, the decline in production is politically inflicted, not because there is no oil.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
The vast majority of geologists and other scientists subscribe to the biogenic theory of oil.
A small minority believe in abiogenic theory of oil.
So if the scientific consensus is biogenic, this thread really has no purpose as the debate is over.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So if the scientific consensus is biogenic, this thread really has no purpose as the debate is over.
Killing threads is my job..move over.
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Science died the day they started voting for what is true and what is not.
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Don't know about drilling restrictions, but I do know that they're busy going deeper and more abroad.
BTW, Dubai expects to RUN OUT in some 10 years. But they're clever and using their profit to launch business to take over when the oil is gone...
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moray.. just to ease your mind. I drink a pot of coffee in the morning to get going.. I read this BB and post while doing it. It takes very little time to post and I skim most threads. I also post at lunch since I am fortunate enough to be home for lunch.
I don't watch TV. I don't read newspapers. How much of that do you do? besides reading and responding poorly here?
right now.. A friend and his girlfriend from vegas are sleeping in my spare room. When he get's up and around.. we will take my big block 69' el camino out for a test beating. there will be a new Henry rifle in the back and 500 or so rounds.
We will end up at my brothers place in the sticks and shoot guns most of the day. I will collect all the brass and reload it later.
I built my cars.. I built most of my guns.. I work for a living and I reload ammo and read a book a week at bedtime. I can work most tools and do. I have a lot of friends that I have had for decades and some I have met here.
I have a girlfriend tho who I see on weekends and we travel and.. whatever...
soooo.. this is not a dating post. I am not available.. don't even think about it.
I like my life. I will like it more when I retire young a little later... work get's in the way for the most part.
lazs
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angus.. I will admit that we are depleting the easy to find stuff but that does not mean that we are out of oil. it just means that the really big discoveries have just not been found yet.
Most of the oil we are using today other than the middle east would not exist 100 years ago because it would be too hard to find or was not found.
lazs
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Originally posted by Angus
An example of depletion is the American Bison, and the huge business based exclusively on exploitation in the 19th century.
Some 60 million + of stock went down to practically nothing, but luckily not all the way. A big business also went under.
Last I checked American Bison population is around 350000......and growing.
A little use of the old noggin and a new industry was born.