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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mg1942 on February 17, 2008, 02:03:28 AM
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HD Dvd is dead. Toshiba announced they will end HD-DVD production.
Netflix and Walmart will only support Blu Ray disc. Sony finally got their way and avoided the way Beta Max ended.
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do you have a link to the announcement?
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I didn't even know there was any other HD DVD's besides Blu-Ray.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
do you have a link to the announcement?
NHK. front page
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thx.
Im glad the war is over and i seriously dont care who won
-edit- keepi in mind that it is still only a rumor. They havent announced anything yet ;)
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Originally posted by trax1
I didn't even know there was any other HD DVD's besides Blu-Ray.
Format wars for high definition since 2006
Toshiba's HD-DVD
vs
Sony's Blu Ray.
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Glad I waited to buy one. :aok
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Now I'll never buy one. Sony can suck my big fat...
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Yeah me too..
I am however thinking about getting a Toshiba deck now. The most advanced one they made is on sale at several places here for next to nothing and in tests it has proved to be a really good dvd upscaling deck too with excellent sound and picture quality. It costs no more than a fairly basic dvd player but with much higher quality. :)
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I hear ya Diablo. I'm no Sony fan to begin with. From what little reading I've done on the format war HDDVD had more storage and was an overall better format.
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I think the HD format actually has less storage than Blue Ray, but HDDVD is easyer and cheaper to produce (both disks and electronics). I
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You're probably right Nils. I did'nt follow it too close.
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I'm gonna wait until the next generation super high zoot even better than blue ray 3D holographic format comes out so I don't have to buy my library all over again.... twice.
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm holographic pr0n
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Here is a link to a news story about this development:
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSWEN397220080215
This is sort of scary, though, if Walmart has this sort of power over the economy.
However, Best Buy and NetFlix had both already abandoned the HD DVD format. So they are not the first.
SIG 220
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I wouldn't waste time reading any article written by Reuters.
Blu-ray is not just Sony. It's a standard using shared patents and development by Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, and Samsung.
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The question remains though...would you now buy a Blu-Ray that also played HD-DVD? I am now thinking along those lines because just to take advantage of being able to upconvert our existing DVD's to a better look without having to go out and buy a whole bunch of new movies. Now my oldest son is screwed because we bought him an LCD television that has a DVD player built into it for Christmas but he mainly uses it on his Xbox that he is probably going to convert over to a PS3 (WHY SON WHY!!!!)
I heard not to long ago that M$ was dropping the price of their HD-DVD player for the Xbox360. So wally world was just following their leader in getting to the door.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Now I'll never buy one. Sony can suck my big fat...
Yea, me too...
Maybe.
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Originally posted by Reschke
The question remains though...would you now buy a Blu-Ray that also played HD-DVD? I am now thinking along those lines because just to take advantage of being able to upconvert our existing DVD's to a better look without having to go out and buy a whole bunch of new movies. Now my oldest son is screwed because we bought him an LCD television that has a DVD player built into it for Christmas but he mainly uses it on his Xbox that he is probably going to convert over to a PS3 (WHY SON WHY!!!!)
I heard not to long ago that M$ was dropping the price of their HD-DVD player for the Xbox360. So wally world was just following their leader in getting to the door.
I've always been against buying a combo anything.
Usually they end up as "yea buts"
"Nice stereo you have there"
"yea but the turntable/tape player/radio/Cd player broke about 6 months ago."
Cant tell you how many TV/combos I've seen where the TV player works great, but the video player broke.
I'd rather buy a component system so if one component bites the dust. All I have to replace is that one component
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Ok.. I haven't bought any HD DVD's or blue ray or players so what does this mean to me?
I can't help but think it is a good thing right? I mean.. now they can get on with it and the prices can fall and I don't have to guess who is gonna win out and make whatever I buy a joke or the wave of the future.
When I do buy something it will be supported. I don't care who wins.. let's get on with the price wars.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Ok.. I haven't bought any HD DVD's or blue ray or players so what does this mean to me?
I can't help but think it is a good thing right? I mean.. now they can get on with it and the prices can fall and I don't have to guess who is gonna win out and make whatever I buy a joke or the wave of the future.
When I do buy something it will be supported. I don't care who wins.. let's get on with the price wars.
lazs
It's a good thing in general, but given Sony's past behavior I am very unhappy with who "won". No way in hell am I going to (for example) hook up a sony entertainment device to my home network, because they never admitted fault for the rootkit they distributed on their music CDs. They were never sorry for anything but getting caught.
If it has Sony stink on it, I am very very unlikely to let it touch my computers or my network, and they are my absolute last choice for other consumer purchases.
But for people who don't mind letting Sony install spyware and other feature-disabling software on their computers, or letting sony rummage through their hard drives, and who don't mind that they appear to be in fact above the law since they were not held accountable for crimes that would land you or I in jail for federal offenses, yea it's a good thing.
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Only company worse than Sony on this planet is Bose. They are the "snake oil sellers" who mask "shoddy products" behind "slick marketing".
The Blu-Ray is the superior format however. HT is my hobby and Toshiba took a gamble and lost. Just like Sony and BetaMax in the mid 70's-80's.
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I bought one on accident & opened it before I realized it. I was pissed. Had to go buy a duplicate in the correct format. My fault for not seeing what it was, but I was still mad. What's the big deal about that anyhow. Do any of you have it... and of you who do, is it far better quality than what's 'normal?'
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Format wars 2.0 is now over. I can't wait to see hi def movies with this!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/sonys-1-000-000-1-contrast-ratio-27-inch-oled-hdtv/
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In a war between Goliaths (Sony and Microsoft), half of the people would be upset if either format won. Fortunately, this time the superior format won.
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Whoever wins, we lose.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Whoever wins, we lose.
How so?
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The super restrictive DRM on BluRay and HD-DVD both infringe on our rights as consumers to fair use.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
The super restrictive DRM on BluRay and HD-DVD both infringe on our rights as consumers to fair use.
True True. But it's far better than the digital stream media rental ideas that they have in store for us...
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I won't buy a crap burrito because I don't like the mustard that comes on the crap sandwich.
I'll hold off longer, the gains in picture aren't big enough for me to rush the choice, plus the technology is still developing. I wouldn't be surprised if, a year from now, it's a normal feature to find DVD players that play both Blu Ray _and_ HD-DVD, but I'll want something a little more compelling than an incremental improvement in picture quality before I plop down the cash.
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Well, Blu Ray has definitely won.
National Geographic Magazine has announced that they will no longer sell HD DVD's of their popular Wildlife shows. Only Blu Ray disks will be made from now on.
See:
http://www.slashgear.com/national-geographic-finished-with-hd-dvd-309994.php
The world is getting bluer.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Ok.. I haven't bought any HD DVD's or blue ray or players so what does this mean to me?
I can't help but think it is a good thing right? I mean.. now they can get on with it and the prices can fall and I don't have to guess who is gonna win out and make whatever I buy a joke or the wave of the future.
When I do buy something it will be supported. I don't care who wins.. let's get on with the price wars.
lazs
Usually when there's a competition the prices are low. When there's a monopoly, the prices are high since no one can challenge you. (like Rocky Montain Power in SLC, that laughted at me when I complained about their service, and told me I could always start my own electrical company).:confused:
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The war aint over yet....
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Originally posted by Chairboy
The super restrictive DRM on BluRay and HD-DVD both infringe on our rights as consumers to fair use.
As long as there is DRM, ways will be found to crack it.
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Toshiba made it official today. After numerous recent setbacks in its war with Sony over which new High Definition format would prevail, Toshiba today caved in and gave up.
The recent decision by Walmart to stop selling the Toshiba HD DVD format must have been too much, I suppose.
Here is a new story with full details of Toshiba's surrender, and Sony's victory:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331150,00.html
If you bought a Toshiba HD DVD player and or some DVD's in that format, then you are unfortunately sort of out of luck. Hope that your player does not break and that you will consequently not be able to play your disks anymore.
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Originally posted by 68Wooley
As long as there is DRM, ways will be found to crack it.
Was just going ot say that old saying
"For every counter there is a counter."
someones already started
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/01/bluray_drm_crac.html (http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/01/bluray_drm_crac.html)
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They still cannot break the encryption without the key. That is the trick. There never will be a hack which will break AACS without the key.
Not even sure if it matters or not. HDCP can easily intervene and not play HD content improperly encrypted. So the decrypted version would only be useful for what? As HDCP is built into the hardware, it cannot be circumvented. Wait until they activate ICT. Then the fun begins. And if these guys keep on jacking the movies, it will probably expedite the enabling of the ICT tag.
Of course, I guess a hacker could design their own silicone to get around HDCP. Then mass produce it, then provide instructions on how to remove a surface mount part from a PC board and how to install the chip. I guess nothing is impossble.
It's not DVD folks. It's a whole new level of intrusion.