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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: toonces3 on February 18, 2008, 11:11:54 AM
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Hi all.
I had a bit of an epiphany the other night.
We've all read the threads about how flying for score kills gameplay, or how some folks only fly for score, etc, etc. Well I admit that I care about my score. It's not very good, and I try not to care what it is, but every few nights I find myself pulling up the roster and seeing what my score is. If I'm doing really badly then I almost feel better because I don't have to worry about getting shot down. If I'm doing good (for me) though, then suddenly I get more selective about my engagements and fly more cautiously. I really hate that I do that, but I seem powerless to stop.
At any rate, for xmas I got Call of Duty 4. In the last few weeks I've been taking myself online a few times. It's fun, but not AH2 type fun, but that's not the point. The point is that, as far as I know, there is no 'score' that tracks your kills, deaths, hit percentage, etc. And I find myself playing solely for fun, for the moment of fun while I'm on, with no regard to the stupid thing I did a few minutes ago. I can log off with 20 kills and 1 death, or 1 kill and 20 deaths and 30 seconds after I log off I no longer can remember what my score is, or was.
It's interesting the effect a persistent score log has...on me at least, and how that affects my play style in the two different games.
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An effect it may have, but pull it up first you must.
In other words it may have an effect as you pointed out but you control that to the extent that 1) look at your score in the first place and 2) let it affect your flying.
The score log is out there, but you are the master of your destiny. If you never looked at it I imagine your play style would be the same as you find it is in COD4.
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Toonces,
Go to leaderboards and you can look up your stats. Although, I am playing the Xbox 360 version. It looks like you might be playing the PC version.
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Spazz
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I don't even look at the score, I don't worry about what my K/D is or my hit %. I am sure my score isn't great, but shrug Im having fun when I fly, so I don't really care. Look at your score less and fly for fun.
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I enjoy having score..
im not a score potato, and it doesent REALLY effect how I play the game.
but I like it.. and i dont see the problem with it.. just adds another layer to the game, for those who choose to concern themselves with it.
people who care about their score.. have a score.. people who dont.. ignore it..
Working for a MSO this sort of reminds me of the complaints we hear from people regarding the television shows we carry and their content... sometimes they call in flabbergasted about some program they saw, and probably watched in its entirety, and how they were so offended by it.. and demand to know what WE intend to do about it..
we are nice about it but long story short we tell them if they dont like what they see to change the channel.
no to imply there is any correlation to my story and to what toonces is getting at..
I just like telling that story and will do so at random and without provocation
:D
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Flying without regard to score is certainly more fun imo.
The other night in Mid, I must have gotten shot down by Guppy and Oldman22 about 10 times in a variety of rides.
Winning or losing really didn't matter, it was the fight that was fun. And with no regards to score I felt free to experiment with which plane to fly and different tactics.
I've gotten better at disregarding score because I have less time to play now, and I can't waste time avoiding fights because I might lose.
However, having no score in COD4 right from the beginning has really influenced how I approach that game vs. Aces High. I'm not a MMOG guy for the most part, so I don't have alot of experiences to draw upon.
The difference in MY approach to these two games was interesting to me.
AND PLEASE DON'T TELL ME WHERE MY SCORE IS ON COD4....I MUST NOT FIND IT OR I WILL BE CONCERNED WITH IT!!!ONE!1!
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im surrounded by score potatos
:noid
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Originally posted by toonces3
Flying without regard to score is certainly more fun imo.
There may be hope for this one....:D
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Originally posted by sunfan1121
im surrounded by score potatos
:noid
join a different squad....one thats doesn't care about scores! :D
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well fying without regard to score is cool
flying without regard is kinda dumb (IMO!)
I leave the runway with every intention of returning to it.. though sometimes certain things (usually bullets) conspire against me, hindering the execution of the stated goal.
not for the sake of score, but for the sake of it being a successful mission (in my eyes)..
I would rather land 1 kill than die with 3.
probably one of the best sorties ive ever had, was one where I was escorting Falcon23 in his bombers in my D40, I lost half a wing to a D9 on the return and the mission ended with me being escorted half a sector by squaddies with half a wing and an oil leak back to base.. where I managed to actually set the bird down on the runway..
now I could have just bailed and EFd and took up another jug.. but after it was all said and done.. getting my crippled plane back to base was some of the most fun ive ever had in this game.
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I hear ya wingnutt.
I had one sortie a while ago. I flew an A-20 on an attack run and in the dive I ripped off both ailerons and elevators, and ack took out one engine.
After I pulled out I was stuck in this lazy circle with only the rudder and one engine to fly the plane. As I circled wondering how the heck I was gonna get out of the radar ring for a successful ditch I got "Rooks have one the war, arena will reset in 5 minutes" or something like that.
I could've bailed and .efluffied, but instead I flew around working my one engine and rudder like crazy trying to stay aloft until the arena reset.
Getting home (or in my case saved by the game) can be quite a thrill sometimes.
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LOL, that reminds me..
yesterday after we took the last base and got the reset.,..
me, the rest of the squad and some other bish.. around 20 planes in all.. found ourselves suddenly without a base anywhere nearby, not within 5 min anyway..
so we all flew about 5K away from the base we just took which was now enemy agan.. and we all landed on the beach, even a goon showed up an announced he had the beer..
so we all just sat there and took pics and made jokes for 3 min or so before we the kick/reset...
of course when we saw what map was next, we all regretted winning the war
:mad:
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I look at my score once in a while - point and giggle at it (as it means absolutely zero to me) then up and die/fight/win (sometimes). I like to land a kill or 2 once in a while, but most times forget that I can do that, and end up dying by my own stupidity.
This game is still the most fun I've had with my clothes on - although admittedly it was run a very close race by the Nascar thing I did in Vegas.
all
Wurzel
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Originally posted by Wingnutt
of course when we saw what map was next, we all regretted winning the war
:mad:
LOL... Yup seems like the good maps get reset fast and the crappy ones tend to stick around way to long.
As for the score thing, I personally could care less about it. Ofcourse the squad I am in has a lot that do care about thier score for different reasons. To each their own, I guess. I don't judge them for what they think is fun for them. (I do razz them on squad channel about it though, cause it's fun) Just like I don't judge the furballing QUACK mentallity guys. Up, go try and kill as many as possible till I die is not my thing either. I like to have good fights (and live if possible) and try to enjoy all aspects that the game has to offer. This game is many different things for many different people. I don't understand why anyone really cares why someone else doesn't play it the way they want them to play.
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Score only matters if you think it does. Personally I ignore it 11 months out of the year and fly one "score" tour (happens to be this one). Even on my "score tour" I find myself constantly doing things that "hurt". Yesterday I escorted a "deep" bomber mission a few of our guys ran in a 262 (as tied up on an A-20 run and it was only thing that would catch up)...which of course dings your K/H. I've hung around covering squaddies turned back to help squaddies/friendlies...all things that cost various "score" elements (especially if you get killed doing so:))...
Since I dont do digital dirt lack of captures always hurts...so does not taking the obligatory PT boat run etc...
Still I can normally do top 100 or so...
My advice is ignore your score entirely...unless you decide it matters, then fly the tour focusing on it as much as practical.
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I normally only check scores to see if I'm in last place in squad, and if so it's time to tell the wife ack to leave me alone so I can get some time in.
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Whether you care or not is your decision. The funny part is that, if you care, some lame-o will call you names. This game has the oddest mix of people. The losers are the ones who can't accept you enjoy playing the game a certain way.
IF you don't do it their way, there is something wrong with you. Imagine needing validation to that extent? That you must play their way or they are reduced to calling names? That's some major lack of self confidence.
Watch your score - let it gauge your improvements.
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If HTC removed all scores ranks, K/D ratio's and all the other things it wouldnt bother me one bit I fly just for the fun of it and for my squadmates thats where the fun is.Not hordeing points and trying to get youre name on HTC homepage. What do they think their gonna do with all them points and rank use it to get a better seat at the dinner table . Maybe trade em in on a new car??....... Fly for the fun points are POINTLESS
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Originally posted by smokey23
If HTC removed all scores ranks, K/D ratio's and all the other things it wouldnt bother me one bit I fly just for the fun of it and for my squadmates thats where the fun is.Not hordeing points and trying to get youre name on HTC homepage. What do they think their gonna do with all them points and rank use it to get a better seat at the dinner table . Maybe trade em in on a new car??....... Fly for the fun points are POINTLESS
to you perhaps..
points/score/rank is just another element of the game. some people like to know "where they stand" others dont care..
people who do care about score dont seem too often to piss on those who dont..
but for those who dont care about rank sure get all pissy about those who do.
"im ranked 1900 and it means NOTHING, I PLAY FO FUN!"
k thanks bye
:cry
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Ok, I just had a sortie tonight that perfectly makes my point.
I flew my butt off tonight. I was having several good sorties in a row. On this one in particular, I had flown to an enemy VH base, fought for a while with 2 squaddies. The sortie and fights ebbed and flowed and eventually I got two kills with just enough gas to egress back home.
Either one of two things happened upon landing. I either had gear damage that I didn't notice or I pranged my landing in. Either way the bottom line was that I did a Guppy35/SAPP style landing. So I'm sitting on the runway missing both wings, sorta laughing about it. I called my squaddie over to do a low pass to see the mess I made of my plane, and while I'm sitting there on the runway about 20 seconds later I get, "You have been killed."
Why? Why was I killed? Did I have some sort of pilot wound without blood? Did my plane explode by delayed reaction? Did the game hiccup?
I have no idea, but the death bothered me. Cause, see, I had a fairly nice score going- about 4.5 K/D, over 1.0 K/S, etc. It was nice to have a score that reflected the hard work I was putting in to fighting smart. Now I have that death staring me in the face, a total BS death, that's gonna be on there the rest of the tour. It bugs me.
I can't help but be bothered by it. I wish it wasn't there now.
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Originally posted by toonces3
Ok, I just had a sortie tonight that perfectly makes my point.
I flew my butt off tonight. I was having several good sorties in a row. On this one in particular, I had flown to an enemy VH base, fought for a while with 2 squaddies. The sortie and fights ebbed and flowed and eventually I got two kills with just enough gas to egress back home.
Either one of two things happened upon landing. I either had gear damage that I didn't notice or I pranged my landing in. Either way the bottom line was that I did a Guppy35/SAPP style landing. So I'm sitting on the runway missing both wings, sorta laughing about it. I called my squaddie over to do a low pass to see the mess I made of my plane, and while I'm sitting there on the runway about 20 seconds later I get, "You have been killed."
Why? Why was I killed? Did I have some sort of pilot wound without blood? Did my plane explode by delayed reaction? Did the game hiccup?
I have no idea, but the death bothered me. Cause, see, I had a fairly nice score going- about 4.5 K/D, over 1.0 K/S, etc. It was nice to have a score that reflected the hard work I was putting in to fighting smart. Now I have that death staring me in the face, a total BS death, that's gonna be on there the rest of the tour. It bugs me.
I can't help but be bothered by it. I wish it wasn't there now.
by chance were you in a 190? they do that.. (explode if your sitting on your belly)
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yep, 190a8.
thanks for the heads up- i won't make that mistake again.
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Originally posted by toonces3
We've all read the threads about how flying for score kills gameplay, or how some folks only fly for score, etc, etc.
Don't pay attention. It was some years when I was all score player, now I do not check them for a whole tour sometimes. Remember, whatever gives you fun and makes you involved is justified.
Also, if you are good in anything (flying, score, strat etc.) you will be hated by some people. It is perfectly normal, and their problem, not yours. -)
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hehe, i'm ranked like 3900.
nobody's going to hate me for my score!
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Originally posted by toonces3
hehe, i'm ranked like 3900.
nobody's going to hate me for my score!
It is quite easy to game scores and be in top 100 every tour even for very average player. And trust me, all player in top 10 game scores. By gaming I mean making something which is not needed, nor interesting, but will feed your scores, like using torpedo boat rockets against objects.
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Wing up with me for a couple hours, and your score should be ruined for the month, then go have fun!:cool:
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I don't think it's a bad think to try to have a good score. My problem comes with those who associate score with skill. Perfect example is leviathn. His score is in the 1100 range on average but not many can beat him.
Some who have good scores are also very skilled, but score is not the end all be all of how good someone is.
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Originally posted by Fariz
It is quite easy to game scores and be in top 100 every tour even for very average player. And trust me, all player in top 10 game scores. By gaming I mean making something which is not needed, nor interesting, but will feed your scores, like using torpedo boat rockets against objects.
That is true
I concider myself an average pilot but once every tour i do the torpedoboat thing but thats the only thing i really do besides trying not to getmyself blow out of the sky and up from vulched fields :D.
When i play im always in the top 10 somewere so it aint that hard.
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Originally posted by Wingnutt
well fying without regard to score is cool
flying without regard is kinda dumb (IMO!)
I couldn't agree more and sorry for this slight diversion from the main thread.
Putting aside gaming the score. I think the ethos of the score system is tuned to that idea.
OK I have the erg to explain the obvious because some folks don't get "obvious".
If you do negative things in game your score or potential score gets hurt. Your a quak furballer type so your fighter rank is meaningless and it reflects that. Your a bomb bail pork auger geezer so your bomber / attack score reflects that. Your a prayer of a sprayer your hit % reflects that. Your a GV bomber in Lancaster's your damage / hit % reflects that. Your the mole of "whack a mole" so your GV score reflects that.... That's it in brief but could be expanded upon.
Sure!... All the above are having their idea of "FUN". Some will even argue the point that suicide bombing / bombing and bailing is helping their side to win. Which to these individuals is more important than their score. Others will argue that bombing and bailing etc is totally gamey and skilless. Not in keeping with the game.
Or another way to explain to the terminally dumb. If the designers condoned suicide bombing, pork & auger, fly to you die and all the other crap the skilless could devise, then the designers of the game would make a positive point of it in the score system. To date they do not. As an aside to this very fact could you imagine what would happen "Prime time USA" if fighter kills in bombers actually counted:rolleyes:
p.s over all rank is not a sign of great skill it's a sign of the Jack of all trades but master of none. Good only for CV command. Individual score can show your growth or the ability of the opponent....gaming score aside of cause. It's a tool you can use to improve your ability as an individual if used correctly.