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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Wingnutt on February 18, 2008, 12:19:25 PM
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1: easy to add,, used the D30 airframe
2: R-2800 C producing 2800HP with H2O
3: 473MPH top speed
4: went operational with the 56th FG in april 1945, by the end of the war the either 56th was equipped with Ms
5: scored kills during the war, most notably against several 262s
it saw action, and enitre FG used them during the war, it got kills during the war
would be a piece of cake to add the M variant to the line up, no new model needed.. just the necessary changes to the FM, and a skin.
it would need to be perked of course, carry about the same prices at the Spit14 or there abouts I would think
PLEEEEESE!!
:)
EDIT: I realized I should have posted this in the wishlist section (and have done so) and selected to delete this thread, but for whatever reason it will not go away... I tried
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YES YES YES YES!!!!
While you're at it, a D-15 with a paddleblade ;)
Hell, even upgrade the D-11 with the paddle prop! :D
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Because it would give land based assets access to something that could compete with the F4U4. The N is good - but the M is ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Because it would give land based assets access to something that could compete with the F4U4. The N is good - but the M is ridiculous.
hence the necessity to perk it..
as for the N being "good" well..
under mil power the N is slower than the D40 from sea level to about 27K after which its only marginally faster
the N's climb rate under mil AND under wep power is FAR worse than the D40 till about 17K then its only marginally better with WEP.
the Ns turn radius is the same as the D40 with no flaps, worse with
the only thing the N has over the 40 is top speed with WEP engauged.. thats about it untill you get to 30+ K then the Ns performance is only marginally better.
under virtually every other circumstance and all realistic altitudes its inferior to the D40.
aside from top speed under wep.. the 47N is the worst jug in the game.
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I think I saw it stated somewhere that the 'paddle prop' is already modeled....a moot point anyway since it wouldn't come into play until high alt, and most everything happens under 10
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Originally posted by bj229r
I think I saw it stated somewhere that the 'paddle prop' is already modeled....a moot point anyway since it wouldn't come into play until high alt, and most everything happens under 10
the M would have a significant performance increase over the D40 at any alt, right down to the deck.
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Since you decided to have two threads, I'll ask in this one too.
Why do we need a P-47M? It was extremely rare.
We don't need a Spitfire F.21.
We don't need and Re.2005.
We don't need a P-51H.
What makes the P-47M so special?
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Originally posted by Karnak
Since you decided to have two threads, I'll ask in this one too.
Why do we need a P-47M? It was extremely rare.
We don't need a Spitfire F.21.
We don't need and Re.2005.
We don't need a P-51H.
What makes the P-47M so special?
I didnt choose to have 2 threads..
this EFFED up sit's delete option doesent work..
why is it special?
well.. incase you didnt read..
it was the best production jug of the war.. one of the fastest prop drive planes of the war (fasted jug of the war)
the jug being arguably one of the most versatile aircraft in the war.. and the M is the ultimate expression of that.
that and the fact that the current N model we have.. is inferior to the other models in almost every aspect.. as it should be.. in real life the N was built for long range, not high performance.. the result being that in almost any situation it is inferior to the D40..
the M would be to the jugs what the -4 is to the corsairs, and the spit14 is to the spitfires..
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On another note..
I find it amusing, that anytime someone posts a suggestion here (or wishlist) for a plane.. soo many people ***** AND COMPLAIN that it will be a "hangar queen" (see p39)
her im suggesting a ride that would actually be used, would be effective against the other late war rides.. etc etc.. and meets the criteria to be added to the game.
more *****ing.. go figure.
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SOMEONE, ANYONE
DELETE THIS THREAT, ITS A DUPLICATE, IM SICK OF ANSWERING REPLIES TO BOTH[/B]
I tried deleting it, about 2 minutes after I made it and realized it was in the wrong section..
the site said it was deleted, but yet here it is...
nice.
I wont answer any more replies to the thread,
refer to the one in the wish list section.
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Originally posted by Wingnutt
the M would have a significant performance increase over the D40 at any alt, right down to the deck.
I read a story about the P-47M that you may find interesting. I photocopied the story for my archive. The story is attributed to Maj. George Bostwick.
Flying over Britain during a test hop of a P-47M, Bostwick was putting the new fighter through its paces. This was one of the Ms that had its reliability issues fixed and he was checking out a new motor.
At about 10,000 feet, Bostwick found himself flying near a formation of four RAF Tempests. He slid his Jug in alongside and waved. The nearest pilot waved back. Bostwick eased up military power and the P-47 began to pull ahead. Having taken the bait, Black smoke poured out of the exhaust stacks of the Sabre's in the Tempests. All four surged ahead of the P-47. Bostwick let the Tempests pull out ahead about 100 yards. He then pushed up the throttle into WEP. "My Thunderbolt literally leaped forward, quickly overtaking the Tempests. As I rushed past, I gave them a thumbs up." Bostwick then eased back the stick and zoomed up in a climb leaving the Tempest pilots to "wonder what the hell kind of P-47 that was."
A P-47M using 150 octane avgas could pull up to 80" of MAP. State side tests with 44-1 avgas showed a max speed of 381 mph at SL, 411 mph at 10k and 485 mph at 32k. Using this same fuel, a P-47D-22 managed 444 mph using 72" MAP (2,600 hp) at 23,600 feet.
We would not get 150 octane fuel (maybe for a perk in the distant future, but I doubt it). Nonetheless, the P-47M would be a beast in the MA.
Also, more P-47Ms saw combat than did Ta 152s..... Three full squadrons were active over the last month of the war in Europe.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Also, more P-47Ms saw combat than did Ta 152s..... Three full squadrons were active over the last month of the war in Europe.
My regards,
Widewing
But, how many of those 'Active' 47M's actually saw combat? Compared to the 152?
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Ever noticed how the n00bs always want the ultra-uber last of their line planes and never the first model of such plane?
Odd, innit?
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Ever noticed how the n00bs always want the ultra-uber last of their line planes and never the first model of such plane?
Odd, innit?
Vote Ar-68 :aok
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Spitfire Mk XIV went into active service in January of 1944. They built 957 of them.
The P-47M is not the P-47 equivilent of the Spitfire Mk XIV. It is the P-47 equivilent of the Spitfire F.21.
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Originally posted by Motherland
But, how many of those 'Active' 47M's actually saw combat? Compared to the 152?
24 per squadron, plus Group spares. I recall that about 85 were on hand with the 56th at the surrender. Something like 1,200 individual combat sorties were flown. Of course, the 56th operated those P-47s for months after the war.
My regards,
Widewing
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Hey, if you get a 47M I want my Spit XII! 100 of them saw combat :)
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Well still again, it would be nice to have like a Super Jug. Especailly when the -N could be outperformed by the D-40
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190D11.
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Originally posted by bj229r
I think I saw it stated somewhere that the 'paddle prop' is already modeled....a moot point anyway since it wouldn't come into play until high alt, and most everything happens under 10
Paddle prop is only on D-25 and above in this game.
According to Bob Johnson, it helped tremendously on the old Razorbacks, being the equivalent of 500+ extra horsepower. Boosted performance across the board- increased top speed, improved climb, and even made it dive better.
***edit*** - as an afterthought- if this thing were to make it into the arena, it would probably have a significant perk price attached to it- like 30-50 points, and it wouldn't be out of line to do it. I've got the perkies. It'd become my primary ride after my lovely D-11 :)
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Ever noticed how the n00bs always want the ultra-uber last of their line planes and never the first model of such plane?
Odd, innit?
WTF are you on about?
We have the D-11 - that's a 1943 superfighter that can still contend with the latest and greatest in the LW arena.
then we have the D-25, D-40, and N- each with their own strengths and weaknesses and each with their own "personality".
BUT- the 109 has the K4, the 190 has the dora and TA152, the Spit has the XIV, the XVI, the Russians have the LA7, the F4U nuts have a -1C and a -4.
Why can't the Jug have her late war super-special as well?
There's no reason it shouldn't be modelled. I highly doubt you'd see a ton of 'em in the arena (probably on the same order as -4 hawgs, Tempests, and 262's).
BRING ON THE M!
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Originally posted by Wingnutt
the M would have a significant performance increase over the D40 at any alt, right down to the deck.
I didnt say the "M" wouldnt be a cool plane, it's just that folks put too much emphasis on the 'paddle prop' thing, as I can tell. Before my recent hiatus, I got between 150 and 200 kills in "N" every camp, vast majority under 10k, where paddle prop wouldn't be a factor anyhow
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As for folks saying "the d40 out performs the N everywhere" -- well if you have 100% fuel, sure! The thing is if you put the same fuel in the N as you have in the D, it's a very nice ride!
(P.S. That WEP sure is sweeeeeet!)
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Russians have the LA7
La 7 variant in game is not a "late war super special" -
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Originally posted by Gabriel
La 7 variant in game is not a "late war super special" -
Okay, I'll give you that.
However, it is quite the little performer down low...
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if you want it though, put it on the wishlist thread for the P-47M
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Originally posted by Gabriel
La 7 variant in game is not a "late war super special" -
Isn't the three cannon loadout just that?
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not really, but the extra cannon does make a difference.
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Originally posted by Gabriel
La 7 variant in game is not a "late war super special" -
I'm curious as to which version of an La-7 would be a "late war special" other than the 1945 version with the 3 B-20 cannon (which is what we have).