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Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: EagleEyes on February 19, 2008, 03:32:17 AM: Just heard it on the news...

Anyone think it will make a difference??

Castro Resigns as Cuban President (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1714313,00.html?xid=rss-topstories)
Title: Re: Castro Steps down
Post by: sunfan1121 on February 19, 2008, 06:54:15 AM: Quote
Originally posted by EagleEyes
Just heard it on the news...

Anyone think it will make a difference??

Castro Resigns as Cuban President (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1714313,00.html?xid=rss-topstories)

Nope
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 19, 2008, 07:11:55 AM: Good.
Now can we end this silly ban on Cigars now?
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: Nilsen on February 19, 2008, 07:13:26 AM: Silly embargo/blockade whatever period.

Has to be the least effective one in history imo and should have been ended decades ago.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 19, 2008, 07:18:47 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
Silly embargo/blockade whatever period.

Has to be the least effective one in history imo and should have been ended decades ago.

Agreed.

Funny thing about embargos.
They only tend to work well when everyone co operates
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: Nilsen on February 19, 2008, 07:25:01 AM: Yup, but even then i doubt it would have had that much effect as long as the soviets helped anyway. As far as i know Cuba has all the natural resources need to sustain itself besides the soviet arms that is.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 07:46:47 AM: Yeah I doubt this will make any difference over there, his brother will most likely take over and he'll just keep the country under the same oppressive regime.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: Nilsen on February 19, 2008, 07:53:47 AM: Kinda makes you wonder why the US didnt liberate the poor and oppressed people of Cuba a long time ago. Its really a short hop compared to other oppressed people stuck in the middle of the middle east ;)

oh boy.. the lids on those cans of worms are really not that hard to open :D

sorry
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 08:01:03 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
Kinda makes you wonder why the US didnt liberate the poor and oppressed people of Cuba a long time ago. Its really a short hop compared to other oppressed people stuck in the middle of the middle east ;)

oh boy.. the lids on those cans of worms are really not that hard to open :D

sorry
We did, it was called "The Bay of Pigs":aok
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: Nilsen on February 19, 2008, 08:07:57 AM: A huge success :)

hmm.... were is that lid?
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 08:08:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
A huge success :)

hmm.... were is that lid?
Never said it was a success, just said we did it.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: Nilsen on February 19, 2008, 08:10:39 AM: i know
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 08:10:50 AM: It will make a difference in 5 years...once they grow tired of his brother....
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 08:11:35 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
Kinda makes you wonder why the US didnt liberate the poor and oppressed people of Cuba a long time ago.

we did....it's called Miami.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 08:14:08 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ZetaNine
It will make a difference in 5 years...once they grow tired of his brother....
Ahh if they never grew tired enough of Castro to do anything about him, why would they with his brother?
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 08:19:18 AM: Quote
Originally posted by trax1
Ahh if they never grew tired enough of Castro to do anything about him, why would they with his brother?

see: "Fredo" from the Godfather.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 08:27:25 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ZetaNine
see: "Fredo" from the Godfather.
Ok, thats fantasy, not the real world. When his brother takes over things will more then likely stay the same until he steps down or dies.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: lasersailor184 on February 19, 2008, 08:33:12 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
Kinda makes you wonder why the US didnt liberate the poor and oppressed people of Cuba a long time ago. Its really a short hop compared to other oppressed people stuck in the middle of the middle east ;)

oh boy.. the lids on those cans of worms are really not that hard to open :D

sorry

We were going to but Kennedy ****ed it up.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 08:34:04 AM: It's a comparison of the two...... Raoul it not Fidel.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 08:34:53 AM: Quote
Originally posted by lasersailor184
We were going to but Kennedy ****ed it up.

Robert Kennedy, yes.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 08:38:23 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ZetaNine
Robert Kennedy, yes.
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 08:39:09 AM: your thinking is flawed.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 08:39:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ZetaNine
your thinking is flawed.
:huh
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 08:43:26 AM: at the risk of making another Godfather analogy ...RFK was JFK's "Tom Hagen" or Consigliori. his pit bull if you will...or even if you will not.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 08:49:29 AM: JFK had more influence on the policies and U.S involvement in regards to Cuba then RFK ever had.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: Maverick on February 19, 2008, 09:03:12 AM: I don't recall that RFK was ever the CIC of the Military of the USA. As such he never had the power to make the decisions rearding things like the bay of pigs or Cuba in general.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 09:16:37 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Maverick
I don't recall that RFK was ever the CIC of the Military of the USA. As such he never had the power to make the decisions rearding things like the bay of pigs or Cuba in general.
Exactly, RFK was only the Attorney General, when it came to Cuba JFK was the one making the decisions because he was the man in charge.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: Jackal1 on February 19, 2008, 09:26:38 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
Kinda makes you wonder why the US didnt liberate the poor and oppressed people of Cuba a long time ago.

We did. You will find them in Dade county. :)
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 09:37:15 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
We did. You will find them in Dade county. :)
The reason that is is because back in 1980 Castro let 125,000 Cubans leave the country and they all headed for Florida, the majority of them were the undesirables like criminals and mental patients. He unloaded all the problem people in Cuba on us.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 09:39:39 AM: Quote
Originally posted by trax1
Exactly, RFK was only the Attorney General, when it came to Cuba JFK was the one making the decisions because he was the man in charge.

again....your thinking is flawed.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 09:41:02 AM: Quote
Originally posted by trax1
The reason that is is because back in 1980 Castro let 125,000 Cubans leave the country and they all headed for Florida, the majority of them were the undesirables like criminals and mental patients. He unloaded all the problem people in Cuba on us.

(http://www.uberlounge.com/files/photos/9766527f2b5d3e9L.jpg)
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 09:41:30 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ZetaNine
again....your thinking is flawed.
Ok then, explain yourself instead of just saying my thinking is flawed, state your thinking behind your statement.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 09:44:41 AM: Quote
Originally posted by trax1
Ok then, explain yourself instead of just saying my thinking is flawed, state your thinking behind your statement.

they operated as one....and RFK was the pit bull...the bad cop..whether that meant taking care of the mafia....taking care of marylin monroe....McCarthy, MLK, Hoover, or taking care of cuba... RFK was the power behind the throne...and the conduit to the CIA to keep Jack kennedy clean. he was the real fighter of the two.. it's common knowledge actually. RFK cleaned up the messes...the guy was an animal.

He was Harvey Keitel in pulp fiction.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: BMathis on February 19, 2008, 09:50:58 AM: He's been dead for a while... He's still controlling from the grave.

This is a good day though, hope to see some good things come of this.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 10:00:20 AM: ZetaNine, go here and read this about it.

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/JFK+in+History/JFK+and+the+Bay+of+Pigs.htm
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: Jackal1 on February 19, 2008, 10:03:08 AM: Quote
Originally posted by trax1
The reason that is is because back in 1980 Castro let 125,000 Cubans leave the country and they all headed for Florida, the majority of them were the undesirables like criminals and mental patients. He unloaded all the problem people in Cuba on us.

:D

It certainly didn`t end there.
It is an everyday thing.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 10:05:13 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
:D

It certainly didn`t end there.
It is an everyday thing.
Oh, definitely not, I'm sure Florida gets a couple washing up on shore everyday.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 10:08:47 AM: Quote
Originally posted by trax1
ZetaNine, go here and read this about it.

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/JFK+in+History/JFK+and+the+Bay+of+Pigs.htm

you wont find the things I am telling you in the JFK Library. ;)
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 10:11:58 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ZetaNine
you wont find the things I am telling you in the JFK Library. ;)

So basically your "facts":rolleyes: are just conspiracy theories.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 10:13:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by trax1
So basically your "facts":rolleyes: are just conspiracy theories.

actually, your facts are...in the big picture anyway.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 10:14:53 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ZetaNine
actually, your facts are...in the big picture anyway.

Huh:huh

Also lemme guess, you don't believe Oswald killed JFK himself do you?
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 10:21:06 AM: of course I do.

my sole and exclusive point is that you are uneducated with regard to the life and times of RFK...that's not a slam....it just seems you do not understand their relationship.

google:

RFK - bad cop
RFK - pit bull
RFK - mafia
RFK - marylin monroe
RFK - mcCarthy
RFK - mlk
RFK - hoover
RFK - bay of pigs

dude was an animal...and has my respect...
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 10:33:00 AM: The point I've been making is that JFK had more of an impact on the way we deal with Cuba then RFK did, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find people to agree with you on that.

Atleast your not one of those loons that thinks there was a huge conspiracy to kill JFK.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 10:37:49 AM: Quote
Originally posted by trax1
The point I've been making is that JFK had more of an impact on the way we deal with Cuba then RFK did...

not true.

they were not mutually exclusive...I really don't think you understand that...or RFK's role....and I hope in time...you research things a little deeper......it was a fascinating relationship...
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: lasersailor184 on February 19, 2008, 11:48:34 AM: Zeta, it was JFK that gave the direct orders to hold back half of the cuban force, and renig on promises of ANY american support.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: AWMac on February 19, 2008, 11:54:04 AM: LOL Nilsen...

Hey all lets go liberate Norway once again.

:D

Mac

*hands Nilsen his lid back*
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 19, 2008, 11:54:31 AM: Quote
Originally posted by trax1
Never said it was a success, just said we did it.

No. We only half did it.

Halfway in we lost the balls to finish the job
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 19, 2008, 11:57:22 AM: Quote
Originally posted by trax1
The reason that is is because back in 1980 Castro let 125,000 Cubans leave the country and they all headed for Florida, the majority of them were the undesirables like criminals and mental patients. He unloaded all the problem people in Cuba on us.

Kinda like what England did in American and Australia LOL
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: trax1 on February 19, 2008, 12:11:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Kinda like what England did in American and Australia LOL
Yup, Australia is nothing but the descendants of common potatos & thieves.....j/k you Australian guys, but you are the descendants of criminals if your family has been living there a long time.
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: Nilsen on February 19, 2008, 01:39:53 PM: Quote
Originally posted by AWMac
LOL Nilsen...

Hey all lets go liberate Norway once again.

:D

Mac

*hands Nilsen his lid back*

hehe you would have to do it once first :D

*thx for the lid.. now lets see if it fits :D*
Title: Castro Steps down
Post by: ZetaNine on February 19, 2008, 01:46:15 PM: Quote
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Zeta, it was JFK that gave the direct orders to hold back half of the cuban force, and renig on promises of ANY american support.

nobody is disputing who gave the final order.....

"any" american support? I believe we sent unmarked american aircraft.