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"And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country"
Link to Video of the speech. (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/49244.html)
I am suprised Clinton has not made a huge deal about it.
Granted she is just his wife, but they seem to be part of the deal now.
She sounds like she is reaching for words and didnt think it through beforehand, but its still not a very bright thing to say.
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"Obama will save americas soul".
They better be careful, they will get too full of themselves and shoot their wad before its time. Perhaps, as some are suggesting, Obama is the Christ returneth. I wonder if maybe he is the antichrist.
I know one thing for sure...I am very leery of the hype surrounding this guy.
People fainting at his revivals...crying as they adore his God like person.
This is going to be fun :)
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I don't think it was anything all that bad.
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You're so barbaric in your views Yeager..don't you want hope for change to change the hope that we hope to change? Get with the program man...
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well, to quote obama, is "And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country" just words?
just words
just words.
obama's whole campaign is "just words", but now her words are not important. he is all sizzle and no steak.
he cannot claim every quote from Jefferson to FDR to JFK and say they are more than "just words" and then say what his wife said is only just words.
obama is "just words". his 20 something supporters say they will vote for him because he is for "change", but they have no idea what he means.
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Originally posted by Makarov9
You're so barbaric in your views Yeager..don't you want hope for change to change the hope that we hope to change? Get with the program man...
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BEEP BEEP BEEP! SYSTEM OVER LOAD!
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Originally posted by Makarov9
You're so barbaric in your views Yeager..don't you want hope for change to change the hope that we hope to change? Get with the program man...
Obama is an Illinois politician. If he's your hope for change then God help us all. They are all corrupt here . Including him and the ones hes Pal'ed around with. The guy is the biggest corporate drone in the race right now. Or do you think all these big players give him $$ expecting nothing in return?
An Illinois politician whose going to bring change???:rofl My Lord but people are simple.
Your a victim of spin my friend. Obamas Illinois shenanigans are going to come out. Just watch.
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Taken in context, I don't see the big deal. I guess it was a slow day in the media.
"What we've learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback and let me tell you something, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud. And I feel privileged to be a part of even witnessing this, traveling around states all over this country and being reminded that there is more that unites us than divides us..."
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Rich, you need to let go of your biases and embrace change that I hope for changing.
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Sunk the ship? Unlikely. How many of those predisposed to vote for Obama do you feel are likely to change their vote for a Republican for a lack of pride in one's country?
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Obamas Illinois shenanigans are going to come out. Just watch.
Can you give us some examples so we know what to expect?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Can you give us some examples so we know what to expect?
obama is so great that even dead people will vote for him ....and "change".
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zOMG Obama is from Illinois?
That makes him the black Lincoln...
Continental...
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Illinois is the most corrupt sate in the U.S by far, but I haven't heard of any corruption involving Obama.
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Arkansas state troopers revealed they were used to bring Clinton hookers when he was governor of Arkansas prior to the '92 presidential election and he still had no trouble getting elected.
No democrat ever went unelected overestimating the selfishness of the American people.
-plagiarizing Henry Mencken
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what's this I hear about some man claiming to have sex with obama and share cocaine in the back of his limo in 1999? is this new or has the rumor been around for a while? apparently there is some youtube video of this guy making such an accusation....
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Originally posted by trax1
Illinois is the most corrupt sate in the U.S by far, but I haven't heard of any corruption involving Obama.
You apparently aren't familiar with Louisiana politics. In Illinois dead people can vote. In Louisiana dead people can win elections.
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Originally posted by trax1
Illinois is the most corrupt sate in the U.S by far, but I haven't heard of any corruption involving Obama.
The media is doing a good job keeping it on page 25. ;)
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/morning-rezko-r.html
Google "Rezko trial".
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Originally posted by myelo
You apparently aren't familiar with Louisiana politics. In Illinois dead people can vote. In Louisiana dead people can win elections.
Apparently you never heard of the "license for bribes" investigation here, and thats just the most recent corruption investigation, I believe before that it was investigation called "Silver Shovel", Illinois is known for it's political corruption. Right now our Governor is "Rod R. Blagojevich", before him the Governor was "George Ryan", you wanna know what George Ryan is doing right now......He's doing 6 years, he's sitting in a Federal Prison on bribery charges, along with quite a few of his campaign people. The license for bribes investigation went for about 8 years and lead to the arrest of alot of politicians and all started when a family driving down the highway in a mini van was hit by a trucker who got his CDL by making a campaign donation, the van had a pastor and his wife with there 6 kids, all 6 kids died, both parents lived and thats what launched the investigation.
Here you can read about it here: George Ryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ryan)
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Nothing anyone says or does will change whether people will vote for Sen. Obama or not. If he came out and said he was using crack until last year, people would justify it some how and still vote for him.
Just as if Sen. McCain said he was using something, people could justify voting for him.
I really think if everyone would realize that this is a republic and not a democracy, that we elect people who we hope will see things our way, but are still required to vote in the congress as they are told to by the senior leadership we could get back to NORMAL TV!
So I’ll put my political blinders on, so I can only see one party, get in line, think of god, king and country and push the button and watch nothing change for the better.
NOTHING.
get it! nothing
nothing will change
it is a ........nothing!
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For about the 3rd time.
You don't rise through the Illinois Democratic Machine as an "independent thinker" or one who will work for fundamental change in the status quo. You might be able to wrestle away some state senate seat -- maybe. But you would have to struggle each election cycle unless you decided to play ball. Obama did not go that route. Obama is, and has been from his political beginnings, a mainstream player with Dick Durbin as his mentor.
Similarly, you do not get asked to speak at the Democratic National Convention as an outsider who wants to change business as usual in Washington.
And, you do not get the endorsement of Ted Kennedy as an outsider who wants to change the way Washington works.
Obama is part of the Democratic political insider machine. He is more "progressive" than most to be sure. Even though his record is sparse, you can likely look to Ted Kennedy or Dick Durbin to see the type of "change" you can expect under Obama. A different menu of pork perhaps, at least in some areas, but business as usual. That will be the reality of his change.
The only Democrat who was an outsider pushing for real change was Dennis Kucinich, and you can see exactly how his party treats an outsider looking for true change. Compare and contrast.
Charon
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Originally posted by trax1
Apparently you never heard of the "license for bribes" investigation here, and thats just the most recent corruption investigation,
Investigation? Y'all have investigations?
My wife's from Chicago so I'm reasonably familiar with all that. And while it's quite impressive, y'all are amateurs compared to Louisiana, where half the state's under water, the other half's under indictment.
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Originally posted by myelo
Louisiana, where half the state's under water, the other half's under indictment.
thats sig material.:D
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Originally posted by Yeager
"Obama will save americas soul".
Exactly where in that clip did you hear her say that?
I watched it twice just to see if I somehow missed it
And personally I didnt hear her utter a single word that wasnt true
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Originally posted by john9001
well, to quote obama, is "And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country" just words?
Yes, just words. and just words she can mean.
As a black woman she has every reason and right to utter those words.
she is witnessing possibly for the first time in her life what alot of us white have been tryng to tell them for years.
That they really are equal to a white. that they really can be repected and accepted by a huge amount of people of different races not just because of color but for who they are.
Up untill this point alot of them have felt it was just dribble.
now they have tangible evidence its real.
Im in no way a Obama supporter. and Im sure as hell no black equality activist.
But I think some of you folk have your heads clogged in your right wing blather as those you critique on the left.
This clip is a non issue
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Originally posted by myelo
Investigation? Y'all have investigations?
y'all are amateurs compared to Louisiana, where half the state's under water, the other half's under indictment.
:lol :aok
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I admire the idyllic world where people think the President will really be able to change something.
'e's a bleeding figurehead, 'e is.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
I admire the idyllic world where people think the President will really be able to change something.
'e's a bleeding figurehead, 'e is.
Hillary would be one, in more then one way.... :D
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Originally posted by Charon
For about the 3rd time.
You don't rise through the Illinois Democratic Machine as an "independent thinker" or one who will work for fundamental change in the status quo. You might be able to wrestle away some state senate seat -- maybe. But you would have to struggle each election cycle unless you decided to play ball. Obama did not go that route. Obama is, and has been from his political beginnings, a mainstream player with Dick Durbin as his mentor.
Similarly, you do not get asked to speak at the Democratic National Convention as an outsider who wants to change business as usual in Washington.
And, you do not get the endorsement of Ted Kennedy as an outsider who wants to change the way Washington works.
Obama is part of the Democratic political insider machine. He is more "progressive" than most to be sure. Even though his record is sparse, you can likely look to Ted Kennedy or Dick Durbin to see the type of "change" you can expect under Obama. A different menu of pork perhaps, at least in some areas, but business as usual. That will be the reality of his change.
The only Democrat who was an outsider pushing for real change was Dennis Kucinich, and you can see exactly how his party treats an outsider looking for true change. Compare and contrast.
Charon
The left chooses to ignore well-thought out posts such as yours and pretend that Obama ("maybe" as he likes to say) will change things in Washington. It will be "business as usual" and a wasted 4 years.
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Originally posted by trax1
Illinois is the most corrupt sate in the U.S by far, but I haven't heard of any corruption involving Obama.
Type "Mr. Tony Rezko" into a search engine and see what bounces back.:lol Tho I guess for Illinois its quite mild. I'll bet hes hoping Rezko keeps his mouth shut. Thats another Chicago art form. One guy taking the fall, and the 2 year Club Fed vacation, and when he gets back to town all of a sudden he doesnt need to work anymore. :rofl
Then Obama used to get high all the time. Theres a lot of rumors about heavy drug use and his Muslim upbringing. I'll bet 95% of his backers dont even know where he stands on issues.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Type "Mr. Tony Rezko" into a search engine and see what bounces back.:lol Tho I guess for Illinois its quite mild. I'll bet hes hoping Rezko keeps his mouth shut. Thats another Chicago art form. One guy taking the fall, and the 2 year Club Fed vacation, and when he gets back to town all of a sudden he doesnt need to work anymore. :rofl
Then Obama used to get high all the time. Theres a lot of rumors about heavy drug use and his Muslim upbringing. I'll bet 95% of his backers dont even know where he stands on issues.
Rezko will probably keep his mouth shut. He can't go wrong either way, if Obama Hussein gets elected, then Rezko will get pardoned in 4 years. :aok
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Ya'll can throw the biggest fit you want, this is probably going to be the next POTUS and it's all due to the present POTUS you elected. So go suck on a big 'ol American lemon.
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Originally posted by myelo
Investigation? Y'all have investigations?
My wife's from Chicago so I'm reasonably familiar with all that. And while it's quite impressive, y'all are amateurs compared to Louisiana, where half the state's under water, the other half's under indictment.
Hehe...what he said :)
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Michelle Obama has degrees from Yale and Harvard, and worked at one of the biggest law firms in her state--and has admitted that her grades alone would NEVER have gotten her into an Ivy League school--being black in the evil USA is what put her over the top---she has also complained that it took MANY years to repay the student loans....the evil U.S. should have GIVEN an Ivy League education to her? All because MY great-great-great-great grandfather MIGHT have owned HER great-great-great-great grandfather. If anyone thinks 'racism' will be declared over if Barack wins the presidency, this goes to show it will never end:mad:
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Yes, just words. and just words she can mean.
As a black woman she has every reason and right to utter those words.
she is witnessing possibly for the first time in her life what alot of us white have been tryng to tell them for years.
That they really are equal to a white. that they really can be repected and accepted by a huge amount of people of different races not just because of color but for who they are.
Up untill this point alot of them have felt it was just dribble.
now they have tangible evidence its real.
Im in no way a Obama supporter. and Im sure as hell no black equality activist.
Wait............let me go grab my violin.
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Originally posted by rpm
Ya'll can throw the biggest fit you want, this is probably going to be the next POTUS and it's all due to the present POTUS you elected. So go suck on a big 'ol American lemon.
I hope he is.
It's for all the wrong reasons though.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Wait............let me go grab my violin.
http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new05_000.htm (http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new05_000.htm)
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A very articulate, well educated, handsome Black Man with a little bit of expirience..presently has a well to do job.
He arrives are your home to take your Daughter on a date.
As a Father you ask him a few questions concerning "Where, When, What and Time." Fathers can ask these questions...it's your Daughter.
He immediatly explains that the problems existed with her past dates..and where isn't The problem but "When"...He drifts into "When" and his answers are brought up from the past about when she was a little girl and she had hope and wanted to see a change in life. You now eyeball him and discuss time... He insist that it is now time for her to change after being held down and needs to see new things. All the time parading around in your living room non stop...citing bits and pieces of famous speaches.
It's a Saturday Night and your Daughter needs to be home early tonight..she has Church tomorrow. He goes on that religion within ones self makes the person not the person making the religion...He declines to say what religion he's affliated to... and mentions it really does matter. That I just need to Hope for Change.
Is this the time I bar the door and grab my Shotgun?
Just a Question.
Mac
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new05_000.htm (http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new05_000.htm)
http://www.whogivesaratsrear.com
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Originally posted by AWMac
A very articulate, well educated, handsome Black Man with a little bit of expirience..presently has a well to do job.
He arrives are your home to take your Daughter on a date.
As a Father you ask him a few questions concerning "Where, When, What and Time." Fathers can ask these questions...it's your Daughter.
He immediatly explains that the problems existed with her past dates..and where isn't The problem but "When"...He drifts into "When" and his answers are brought up from the past about when she was a little girl and she had hope and wanted to see a change in life. You now eyeball him and discuss time... He insist that it is now time for her to change after being held down and needs to see new things. All the time parading around in your living room non stop...citing bits and pieces of famous speaches.
It's a Saturday Night and your Daughter needs to be home early tonight..she has Church tomorrow. He goes on that religion within ones self makes the person not the person making the religion...He declines to say what religion he's affliated to... and mentions it really does matter. That I just need to Hope for Change.
Is this the time I bar the door and grab my Shotgun?
Just a Question.
Mac
Worse yet, what if the infidel to your daughter's panties was...
A Texas Longhorn?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
:noid
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Ahhh....Obama..........the Kumbaya Candidate!
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Originally posted by Jackal1
http://www.whogivesaratsrear.com
Just goes to show.
Even the greatest circus clowns have to take off their makeup now and again and expose their true selves.
You might want to . Its a very good possibility that he is going to be your next president.
Because barring a major miracle. I just dont see it happening for the Republicans next election.
Or are you going to be just as babyish as alot of the Demoncrats were when Bush took office and say. "He's not MY president"
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Just goes to show.
Even the greatest circus clowns have to take off their makeup now and again and expose their true selves.
You might want to . Its a very good possibility that he is going to be your next president.
Because barring a major miracle. I just dont see it happening for the Republicans next election.
Or are you going to be just as babyish as alot of the Demoncrats were when Bush took office and say. "He's not MY president"
:rolleyes:
LMAO
WTF are you talking about?
I was remarking on your long winded speech about the down trodden blacks in the U.S.
Made me want to break out my hankie.
:lol
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did this ever get much play?
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/11/obama-office-adores-psychotic-marxist-thug/
I watched this when it aired on tv, but never heard anything from it.
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Look. As I said I'm not an Obama supporter.
But I do defend what his wife said.
Consider this.
Your family was beaten down and enslaved for a few hundred years.
Then were set "free" and then essentially get pissed on for the next hundred years and treated worse then 4th class citizens.
In spite of serving,fighting (for a while not even that)and dyeing for their country they still do not get treated as equals either by law or deed.
With few exceptions get only the lowest paying jobs, forced to use different
entrances,bathrooms,water fountains then the rest of the population.
Then finally 100 years after being "set free" Your family is legally granted equal status. They can finally start to attempt to dig their way out of the poverty induced by the lack of equality.
In spite of the social programs in place to help them 40 something years later they hear a lot about how your family can make it. But you don't see a lot.
Your family is still among he lowest paid. A large portion of your family is still impoverished.
Exactly what reason do you have to be proud of your country?
Or your family for that matter?
Then a close member of your family climbs the ladder. Gets pretty high too.
Elected to congress. And your proud of them for being able to do so.
Then that member decides to try and reach for the top rung.
And you see people not just from your family supporting them. But a lot of other families of differing backgrounds as well.
Including people of backgrounds who just 40 something years ago wouldn't have even allowed your family member walk in through a front door lat alone reach for the highest rung.
Your going to tell me that you aren't going to have a new found pride in your country?
She's right to feel that way.
most of us do not understand it because our families have never had to deal with it.
Also consider this. a few weeks ago I was in a discussion with a black man about racial issues..
I was surprised to find we agreed on a lot of the same things that aren't exactly complimentary to much of the black community. Including the using the "Because I'm black" cop out
But he did put out a point of view I had never considered before.
I was talking about where my various family members had come from. Spain, Ireland,Germany,etc etc.
He said "At least you know where your from."
Imagine what a mindFk that must be. Most of us can trace with pride our ancestry back in a lot of cases to specific towns hundreds of years ago.
The best most blacks can say is they can trace if back a few hundred years to Master (insert name here)
I agree its not an excuse any more then "because I'm black" is an excuse anymore in most cases.
but its gotta play with your head.
Look at the silver lining in all this though.
Lets say he does get elected.
The excuse of "because Im black" is going to be far far less a reason not to succeed.
But rather he will be a perfect example of what a "person of color" CAN do if they are willing to put forth the effort it takes to succeed.
No more excuses.
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< wipes tear from eye> golly gee.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
LMAO
WTF are you talking about?
I was remarking on your long winded speech about the down trodden blacks in the U.S.
Made me want to break out my hankie.
:lol
Lets be honest.
For a long LONG time blacks have been down trodden.
So much so that alot of them still have in engrained in their psyche that they cant succeeed because they are black.
While racism against blacks as still does exist. Its far FAR less then they beleive it to be.
And it isnt much worse then discimination against anyone else anymore,
As I said in another thread. there will ALWAYS be people who wont like other people for any number of reasons. From skin color to hair color.
But its by far less then they think it is.
They often see it and beleive it to be now where it isnt so.
They often start with a defeatist beleif. Therefore they end up defeating themselves.
Instead of telling themselves and their children what they can do if they educate themselves and are willing to work hard.
They tell themselves that they probably wont because of their color.
They dont beleive they can succeed therefore they dont.
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If osamabama is so new and fresh and so full of... change..
Can someone tell me one thing that he wants that differs from the old murdering socialist drunk ted kennedy? One position that he differs with the 50 year old positions of teddy boy?
Nope.. the half negro guy is just another left wing hack.
lazs
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Half Negro...left wing....Sounds like change to me.Go America.:aok
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being half negro is not a "position" no matter what the media here says..
Being left wing and a democrat is not a change. being just like ted kennedy is not change.
lazs
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Originally posted by Hazzer
Half Negro...left wing....Sounds like change to me.Go America.:aok
Thats one way to say it. Another would be 1/2 African American. Another would be 1/2 black. And yet another would be 1/2 white. Either way it dont much matter. Where I come from they steal with both hands no matter what color they are. No change here.
Then again what are you trying to prove by using the word, "Negro"?
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Originally posted by trax1
Illinois is the most corrupt sate in the U.S by far, but I haven't heard of any corruption involving Obama.
I think that perhaps you may want to look at Louisiana. That state defines all that is corrupt.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Lets be honest.
For a long LONG time blacks have been down trodden.
Well...that pretty well nipped the honesty thing in the bud right there.
It`s a good thing though . I`m running out of bow wax and hankies. :)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Lets be honest.
For a long LONG time blacks have been down trodden.
So much so that alot of them still have in engrained in their psyche that they cant succeeed because they are black.
While racism against blacks as still does exist. Its far FAR less then they beleive it to be.
And it isnt much worse then discimination against anyone else anymore,
As I said in another thread. there will ALWAYS be people who wont like other people for any number of reasons. From skin color to hair color.
But its by far less then they think it is.
They often see it and beleive it to be now where it isnt so.
They often start with a defeatist beleif. Therefore they end up defeating themselves.
Instead of telling themselves and their children what they can do if they educate themselves and are willing to work hard.
They tell themselves that they probably wont because of their color.
They dont beleive they can succeed therefore they dont.
As opposed to the great lives they would have enjoyed had they never left Africa? If it was so bad for them here why didn't they go back to their homeland?
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I think that perhaps you may want to look at Louisiana. That state defines all that is corrupt.
strong thread reading
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rich46 said...
" Then again what are you trying to prove by using the word, "Negro"?
I don't know rich.. what is the United Negro College Fund trying to prove?
lazs
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Have any of you noticed how quiet the jungle is lately?
Obama is a serious contendor.
Jesse J., Rev Al, Louie Ferrekand, The Black Caucus, NAACP, ACLU...etc..... Have all gone quiet. None of them are doing anything nationaly to draw attention to black people.
The Liberal media is keeping anything remotely negative to blacks off the main page along with Obama's personal life history before his speech telling America he is the new direction for Hope.
That way only racist conservitives will research and publish it, even if it's true as the sky is blue. Dumming down of america worked rather well.
It will be white people who get Obama into office if possible. You bet it's quiet out there right now...........Promising change and hope without substitive facts to support it is the same odds of getting screwed by playing the Power Ball Lottery in Chicago. But then with Power Ball you are only out a buck.....
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Change my eye.If they were so full of change then why didnt they do any of this mysterious changing while the dems held the majority in congress? Its just more BS.
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When 30 years of public school is about self esteem and not criticle thinking, the mysterious becomes the gold standard of the mind.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Nope.. the half negro guy is just another left wing hack.
lazs
and the all white guy on the right is a what?
:rofl
They are ALL hacks.
If they werent they wouldnt be there
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Dred there are NO candidates remaining that lean right.
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Doesnt matter. Even if there were.
on both sides they are all party hacks.
You cant get that far within your party if you arent.
In the end the die hard right will still vote McCain. and the die hard left will vote for OmammaObama/ or Clintoon