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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: angelsandair on February 20, 2008, 02:00:49 AM
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Since everyone is asking for newer tanks...... Here is my two cents
We need the JS-2 Heavy Russian tank
Of course i dont know ANYthing about it:rofl
But I saw a pic of it in a magazine and it looked pretty powerful
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As long as we get this for the default skin.
(http://www.thetankmaster.com/IMAGES/AFV/Lesany/JS-2/JS-2_05.jpg)
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you mean the iS2.2 part ammo, 33 second load time for a 122mm gun.200mm of frontal armor plate.To bad it would never be modeled right in this game.
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But it was made to withstand the Tiger's 88mm gun and could easily take it AND the Panther Tank on. It would be like the Super Perk of tanks.
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I'd prefer a T 44 or T 34/85
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The IS-2 image is of a IS-2 model 1944 (or of a later, modified variant, the Is-2 m1944 were built from June 1944 on and had a maximum armor of 120 mm on the hull and 100mm on the turret.
Panther was able to pierce this IS-2 frontally at ranges of 1km and slightly above, Tiger 1 at ranges below 1km and Königstiger/Nashorn were able to achieve much longer ranged kills.
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I think most people would experience the terrible load times of the Stalin and never take it out again. It was actually an open country breakthrough tank which is a complete opposite to the way Tanks operate in AH. Not just that but the Stalin had a rather poor aiming system which negated much of the long range advantage the big gun gave it.
Had the JS been fitted with the far better 100mm gun, and had a better sighting system, this could have been a really great tank. As it was it was still the right tank at the right time, however, Im not sure it would fit into AH very well.
But I guess it all depends on modeling.
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how about a KV-1...My eyesight sucks and I need a large target
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Originally posted by ridley1
how about a KV-1...My eyesight sucks and I need a large target
You want a big target, go for the KV-3.
(http://i17.tinypic.com/2r3xaba.jpg)
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either one....they both have a 2 story turret on them
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Still Russia needs a heavy tank in AHII
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Originally posted by angelsandair
Still Russia needs a heavy tank in AHII
They need early war fighters *coughyakovlevscough* and *a* bomber more than they need a heavy tank..
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A Pe-2 most definitely....at risk of hijacking thread
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Originally posted by Treize69
As long as we get this for the default skin.
(http://www.thetankmaster.com/IMAGES/AFV/Lesany/JS-2/JS-2_05.jpg)
That is a sissy girlie tank, you will not catch me riding in that sissy girlie tank. Only sissy girlie men ride in pink tanks. Give me a tank with pump'atude, like the SU-100, or the JagdTiger, Ja! [/Schwarzenegger]
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I think most people would experience the terrible load times of the Stalin and never take it out again. It was actually an open country breakthrough tank which is a complete opposite to the way Tanks operate in AH. Not just that but the Stalin had a rather poor aiming system which negated much of the long range advantage the big gun gave it.
Had the JS been fitted with the far better 100mm gun, and had a better sighting system, this could have been a really great tank. As it was it was still the right tank at the right time, however, Im not sure it would fit into AH very well.
But I guess it all depends on modeling.
Wouldn't want to use it in normal TT style combat, thats for sure- but used hull-down in one of those CV revetments at the V-Bases, or hidden near a choke point... even on top of a hill overlooking a friendly spawn to keep it clear of campers (or as a spawn camper) it would make one hell of a defensive tank. Not saying I want to see it included, but playing devils advocate.
Slow reload time isn't really such a handicap when you can stay at stand-off range and almost be guaranteed of a "1-hit, 1-kill" scenario.You'd almost be required to either send in waves of Tigers or to carpet bomb them into snail snot. Panzers, Shermans and even T-34s would be absolute cannon fodder against a 100 mm cannon on a JS-1 or the 122mm cannon on the JS-2 (think M1A1 Abrams vs M4 Sherman here...)
(http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/misc/vehicles/buddjs2a.jpg)
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Boy I love a great Tank model.
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It could be like the "super perk" of tanks, I do want other tanks like the M-26 and the Panther, but i really wanted this tank, just kept forgetting its name when i tried to post a thread about it, i kept thinking TU-2 (isnt that like a russian bomber anyways???) but still, it would be a monster on the battlefield and it would be the ultimate defensive/camper tank
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Originally posted by JagdTankker
you mean the iS2.2 part ammo, 33 second load time for a 122mm gun.200mm of frontal armor plate.To bad it would never be modeled right in this game.
The D-25S and T was an A-19 with better designed breech block and a higher, but still slow, rate of fire (4 rounds per minute instead of 2 rounds per minute).
guns vs armor (http://gva.freeweb.hu/weapons/soviet_guns9.html)
Originally posted by Denniss
The IS-2 image is of a IS-2 model 1944 (or of a later, modified variant, the Is-2 m1944 were built from June 1944 on and had a maximum armor of 120 mm on the hull and 100mm on the turret.
Panther was able to pierce this IS-2 frontally at ranges of 1km and slightly above, Tiger 1 at ranges below 1km and KěPigstiger/Nashorn were able to achieve much longer ranged kills.
the same gun mounted on ISU122:
Having the same armament as the IS-2 it also had good armor performance but more importantly very good performance with high-explosive rounds. In order to kill a King Tiger frontally it had to be within 200m. A Panther however could be killed within 1500m. A-19S or D-25S cannon fired the 25 kg armour-piercing BR-471 projectile with a muzzle velocity of 800 m/s. It was able to penetrate the armour of all German World War II AFVs, with rare exceptions (only JagdTiger on its gun mantlet and superstructure, and Elefant were strong enough to resist the BR-471, although heavy spalling would be experienced, and the King Tiger could only be penetrated at 200m or less). But the BR-471 had high kinetic energy, and it often damaged heavily armoured German vehicles without armour penetration by mechanical shock, causing engine or gearbox failures. So the ISU-122 was very popular in the Red Army as a long-range tank destroyer. The 121.92-mm gun had great potential, but it should be noted that the gun's abilities were somewhat reduced by the available projectiles. In 1944 only the armour-piercing BR-471 was available (the Germans usually had these as well, but with ballistic nose and sub-caliber variants also). The improved version, BR-471B was developed in early 1945, but it was available in quantity only after World War II ended. So in difficult cases the ISU-122 fought against enemy heavy armour with high explosive projectiles OF-471. These shells also had a mass of 25 kg, muzzle velocity of 800 m/s, and were equipped with a 3 kg TNT charge. Mechanical shock and explosion was often enough to knock-out enemy AFV without any armour penetration.
wikipedia ISU122 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISU-122)
Originally posted by Rich46yo
I think most people would experience the terrible load times of the Stalin and never take it out again. It was actually an open country breakthrough tank which is a complete opposite to the way Tanks operate in AH. Not just that but the Stalin had a rather poor aiming system which negated much of the long range advantage the big gun gave it.
Had the JS been fitted with the far better 100mm gun, and had a better sighting system, this could have been a really great tank. As it was it was still the right tank at the right time, however, Im not sure it would fit into AH very well.
But I guess it all depends on modeling.
The 100mm gun (later adopted on the SU-100 tank destroyer and the T-55 tank) had superior armour penetration (185 mm compared to 160 mm), but a less useful high explosive round than the 122mm gun. Also, the 100mm gun was a relatively new weapon in short supply. Excess production capacity existed for the 122mm gun and its ammunition.
wikipedia IS-2 tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iosif_Stalin_tank)
The first person to suggest arming the JS tank with a gun larger than 85 mm was the Director and Chief Designer of Factory #100, Zh.Y.Kotin. He realized in August 1943, after studying the results of the Kursk battle, that the most effective anti-tank weapon employed against German Tigers was the Corps 122 mm Field Cannon A-19 Model 1931.
The designers at Factory #9 came to the same conclusions as Mr. Kotin, and designed the D-2 Heavy Anti-Tank Cannon by marrying the A-19 barrel with the carriage of the Divisional 122 mm Howitzer M-30.
This powerful weapon was ordinarily employed against heavy tanks as an anti tank gun. The barrel of the gun was built into the gun carriage of the M-30 and the resulting gun successfully passed its tests, it became possible to install the A-19 gun in a heavy tank by using recoil-absorbers, elevation mechanism, and other mechanisms from the Experimental 122 mm Tank Howitzer U-11. This was done in a similar fashion to the 85mm guns D-5T and D-5S, but it was also necessary to add a muzzle brake.
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Nevertheless, the appearance of the turret was considerably changed in the process of its production. The first batch of tanks manufactured in 1943 had a narrow porthole through which the sighting telescope fits. After the installation of the D-25T Main Gun, it became almost impossible to use the telescopic sight, even though its breech was the same as that of the D-5T.
Starting in May of 1944, a new turret with a widened porthole was manufactured, which resulted in the sight being moved to the left. The armour protection of the tank's mantlet was improved and the armour thickness of the sides of the lower hull was increased.
The commander's cupola was shifted 63 mm to the left and the PT4-17 periscopic sight was changed to a MK-IV sight. A DShK anti-aircraft machine gun (designer P.P.Isakov) was installed on the commander's cupola. After that, no further significant changes were made to the turret until the end of the war.
Russian battlefield (http://www.battlefield.ru/)
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Exactly what i want (the one with the 100mm). But we may need the King Tiger to counter it (but i dont really support the King Tiger) (srry!!)
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I just want a T-34/85
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Originally posted by angelsandair
Exactly what i want (the one with the 100mm). But we may need the King Tiger to counter it (but i dont really support the King Tiger) (srry!!)
Originally posted by Karnak
I just want a T-34/85
Actually IS-2 is just equal to Panther and Tigher, not the same class with Tiger II. T-34/85 is far inferior to Panther.Panther Ausf G could penetrate frontal armor of T-34/85 at 2,000 m, while T-34/85 could penetrate frontal armor of Panther Ausf G only within 500 m.
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Originally posted by CPW
Actually IS-2 is just equal to Panther and Tigher, not the same class with Tiger II. T-34/85 is far inferior to Panther.Panther Ausf G could penetrate frontal armor of T-34/85 at 2,000 m, while T-34/85 could penetrate frontal armor of Panther Ausf G only at 500 m.
This is true.
We don't have a Panther Ausf G in AH.
When we do get a Panther Ausf G in AH it will be perked.
The T-34/85 is far superior to the T-34/76.
All of these statements are true as well.
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Originally posted by Karnak
This is true.
We don't have a Panther Ausf G in AH.
When we do get a Panther Ausf G in AH it will be perked.
The T-34/85 is far superior to the T-34/76.
All of these statements are true as well.
Nevertheless,we still got Tiger I in game and its main gun AP power was similar to Panther.;)
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Originally posted by CPW
Nevertheless,we still got Tiger I in game and its main gun AP power was similar to Panther.;)
So? It is perked.
And how does the existance of the Tiger I make my desire for a T-34/85 invalid?
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Well, I would like the Is-2 or js-2 or what ever its called, its pretty dang awesome, but i would really like to see the panther in the game (of course i always get that stupid "we need earlier tanks first!!" or "NOT TILL WE GET THE KING TIGER!!!" i honestly could care less, as long as it's in the game.)
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Originally posted by Karnak
So? It is perked.
And how does the existance of the Tiger I make my desire for a T-34/85 invalid?
Calm down, man. I am trying to explain T-34/85 not equal to Panther then it won't be perked. And I have never said the tank shouldn't appear in AH.:confused:
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Well, if we get any new tank, it should either be an average no-perk tank or a really good perk tank
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CPW you arent telling me anything I dont already know. I know the reasons why the Stalin wasnt fitted with the 100mm gun.
I'd rather see a Russian bomber in the game then a new tank. But, Im as bad a tanker as I am a fighter stick.
Either one would be cool tho.
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Man Gvin is easy. all you do is the following
press 2 (your main gun), Z-> then ] till you are zoomed all the way. IT WORKS GREAT!!!
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Are you kidding me?
One can hardly knock a t34 out with airplane guns anyhow.
Straff it with a Il-2, hit it a few times with a b25, make a few suicide runs in the yak. Guess who keeps on truckin', and you want a heavy'er tank?
Meh, im down..just one more thing to shoot at....even if it doesnt die.
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yea but they under power the T34, its slow and the only way to kill a pnzr on the first shot is to pop him in the turret with HVAP. OR shoot the engine of a sherman.
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You can kill any of the tanks in game easily with a plane. You guys need to come in at a steep angle, go for top armor I regularly kill tigers no problem in B25H, IL2, Or for that matter The Hurricane2d with those 40mm (those need to be right on their convegence though)Let them put any tank they want in it will still die
Death From Above.:t
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I'm such a bad dive bomber lol, it always seems im too short..... But i am average in an Il-2
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is it the 1 that looks like a modern day howitszer tank
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we need another russian tank with better armor thats what we need
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we need another russian tank with better armor thats what we need
The T34 that we have already has great armor. It's the gun on it that sucks.