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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: RoGenT on February 20, 2008, 01:13:54 PM
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Maybe I'm just still horrible shot or not hitting in right place here but it does seem like the 50s are butchered now. Previously I been able to bring down most planes easily. Now, it does seem like it takes lot of hits even up close to bring anything down (I aim for wing roots usually) Have the 50s been effected by the update?
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Try hitting at the convergence point for maximum damage to the target. There hasn't been any changes to the .50 cal in AH.
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Nope, still as brutal as ever (well since a long long time ago). My Converge is all set at 325. YMMV.
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Thanks for the input; guess I'll just have to learn how to shoot better :)
Guns set at 200 for me; good for snap shots
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Originally posted by RoGenT
Thanks for the input; guess I'll just have to learn how to shoot better :)
Guns set at 200 for me; good for snap shots
Only if the target is 200 yards out when you get the snapshot. Seems most times (for me, mind you) snapshots are further out.
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I have most of my 50cal planes set at 325. Coming in on the 6 of a enemy 1000...800...600...400...wait BOOM. If I know I am hunting bombers I'll set them out a bit further...but even 325 works good on them in a slashing attack. I don't even bother firing if I can't get sub d400. Ok I lied...I may spray to get them to turn...or just to say HI I am on your 6.
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Originally posted by Spatula
Nope, still as brutal as ever (well since a long long time ago). My Converge is all set at 325. YMMV.
i had previously had mine set to max of 650.......but on advice of reputable players, i brough it in to 450(a lot told me 325 or so..i just couldn't make myself do it at that time), and was doing better than when they were at longer range. i just this tour brough them in to 350, as i noticed most of my shots were in the 300-350 range.......but even when i hit at that distance, it looks as if my hits are spread all over the plane.....it could just be me still sucking at gunnery too though....
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Originally posted by Krusty
Only if the target is 200 yards out when you get the snapshot. Seems most times (for me, mind you) snapshots are further out.
could someone define snapshot? i think it to be something like this.......
i'm working on the hurri2 in front of me, and he's about 400-600 in front as i'm following and patiently working him in a bit closer, but there are other combatatents in the immediate area......suddenly, as i'm doing a quick scan for other bogies, i see a spit comming my fast....he flies right in front of me, and as he does so, i fire off a quick burst if i think he's going to go through my sights....and i often hit them this way. this is a snapshot? sorry if this sounds dumb....i'm just not sure......
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A snapshot is any shot where you are not tracking and leading the opponent for a shot. E.g target appears static relative to your gunsite.
FWIW, my kills seem to be roughly 50/50 snapshots/tracking shots. I would guess that the mean distance at kill would be around the 200-300 mark, but i compromise my convergence to be a bit further out, so that distance shots are not totally out of the question if i require to hit something at 400 or more. Setting to my mean point, lets say 250, would IMO compromise shots taken at 400 or more to a point to render them fairly ineffective. I think 325 is a good compromise setting which can cater for most scenarios i encounter, but not specialise in either distance or short shots.
Again, YMMV, as i think convergence is dependent on fighting 'styles' etc.
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50's are brutal still...I always get a wing shot off with 5-6 pings when flying buffs...
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thats the shots you hear spikeX...a LOT more hits are required to blow buffs winqs off.
btw snapshot amateurs fly cannon planes usually, and If you start firing at 200 with 50 cals in a steady shot you got it all wrong IMO, you are not using the bullet superiori speed . Some jug pilots set convergence to max and start firing at D800, with no tracers....that IS deadly.
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Originally posted by Noir
thats the shots you hear spikeX...a LOT more hits are required to blow buffs winqs off.
btw snapshot amateurs fly cannon planes usually, and If you start firing at 200 with 50 cals in a steady shot you got it all wrong IMO, you are not using the bullet superiori speed . Some jug pilots set convergence to max and start firing at D800, with no tracers....that IS deadly.
I recorded it once and looked at the film...I had about 7 pings and I was going down...that was some time ago though.
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i have my .50cals on all my planes set to 350. It works great for me.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
i have my .50cals on all my planes set to 350. It works great for me.
.....and what range marker are you looking for when you shoot?
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Originally posted by Noir
thats the shots you hear spikeX...a LOT more hits are required to blow buffs winqs off.
btw snapshot amateurs fly cannon planes usually, and If you start firing at 200 with 50 cals in a steady shot you got it all wrong IMO, you are not using the bullet superiori speed . Some jug pilots set convergence to max and start firing at D800, with no tracers....that IS deadly.
i think i fall into that then, as i fly the hurri2c, zekes, and spits........but am working on learning the f6f, and the pony this tour......
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Originally posted by SpikesX
50's are brutal still...I always get a wing shot off with 5-6 pings when flying buffs...
You know, I have to disagree now. .50's are weaker than Mensa's pick up lines at recess.
Flew a sortie in MW, using nothing but .50s and after 30 minutes or so, was forced to RTB due to severe lack of fuel. I had 968 rounds of .50's left when I exited the plane to go along with the 10 kills. If the .50s were stronger, I would have had more ammo left over but I didn't. At least that's how Mensa explained it to me when we were having a smoke before home ec.
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Don't know what planes you fly against but the American planes on my arse seem to have no issues taking off wings/tails/engines from my plane.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
.....and what range marker are you looking for when you shoot?
i use a simple circle with cross hair's running through it. and it so happens where they cross it's about 300. all i do is put the cross hair just above the plane. Normally ill rip his tail off from his 6. I also find it food for shooing someone on the turn. I normally make shot's 400 out while turning and can take his wing off. All the American planes i have set to that gun site. Ive got over 100 site's and it seems that one's the best.
It's called GERevil16.bmp
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Rogent,
200 is too close for p51 flying in my opinion.
I have mine at 300 all guns. If you think about it I always assume 50 cals tend to do more damage when I'm flying real fast. I open fire at 400 odd and by the time they connect it could be around the 300 distance.
50 cals are good. Some exceptions being hitting 190,s, 109's, La's, typh/temp. These planes seem to sometimes get away with a good solid burst say they get oil hits only and fly off.
I would reserve 200 and less for 303's. Bearing in mind 50cals lose power the further they travel 600 and above will require a plane to be pretty much straight and level.
However I have had some success finishing off kills from 800 zoomed in. You know the 190 types trying to escape. They have to be flying near level tho.
Any shots 800-1000 your talking some good markmanship.
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Im kinda torn as to where to setup my convergances. Normally my 0.50s are setup far out, at least 550. If the plane has cannon to I normally set the MGs at 350 and cannon at 300.
Im still searching for a sweet spot.
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I've had it at 375 for the inner set, and +25 for each next outer set. Anything closer than that denies effective bursts on rope and runner shots.
The only time I had it different in all the time I've played AH is 500y for all guns, when going after bombers. But that was only for P47s, and I haven't bothered using that convergence setting since the damage model granularity was changed.