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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Arlo on February 20, 2008, 05:50:27 PM
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There are already two German MBTs, one US/British MBT, one Russian MBT modeled. No more German uber tanks are needed (or Russian ones ... or even US ones - Brit - maybe) .... even from just a plain `ol MA mentality. From a scenario or AVA standpoint, however, the Japanese and Italians don't seem to even have an armored car .... much less a tank.
Thank you. Carry on.
HTC ... thanks for the Shermie, baybee! (Firefly? That's ok.) :D
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Hangar getting too empty again arlo? We don't even have scenario
opponents for those death traps ytou just asked for.:p
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WOOO!!!! YES!
Something on wheels I might be able to kill!
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Crusader III
Matilda II
They would make a nice british tank to be added
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wait..
Americans have the lvt's the m8 m3 m16.
Germans have the ostie panzer tiger.
British have the m4
....poor japanese.
(ehy, they had realy bad tanks)
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Originally posted by Rino
Hangar getting too empty again arlo? We don't even have scenario
opponents for those death traps ytou just asked for.:p
Cause there were no Italian tanks in Africa and no Japanese tanks on the islands of the Pacific?
I'm sayin' the umpteenth thread asking for uberstampfwagon mk XVXII.378 or even the T-999 Russian hovertank makes less sense.
Less.
I'm perfectly happy with the Shermie (Firefly) addition. Lots of scenario fodder there. But you know there's room for Africa, man ... even then.
Doncha? :)
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Why would you want a Japanese tank for anything other than curiosity sake? They hardly used them outside of mainland Asia, and when they did even our pathertic little M3 Stuarts could mop the floor with them. .30-cal machine gun fire could punch through the armor of all but the biggest, and even the best ones didn't see action with anything bigger than a 37mm gun, not to mention they weren't much faster than walking speed.
Theres a reason most of them had the turrets removed to use as pillbox guns by 1944.
This (the Type 97) was about as good as they got, and its about the size of a modern pickup truck.
(http://www.tridentmilitary.com/New-Photos8/Japanese-type-97-tank.jpg)
Most of them were smaller, like this Ha-Go, which was about the size of a VW bug (except taller).
(http://www.tankmuseum.ru/images/p7/jp-Xa-Go.jpg)
Almost all only had a two man crew and were armed with a small cannon and a machine gun. You might as well just take an M8, pretend its a Japanese tank and be glad that its about five times as fast.
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Or theres always the Ke-Re.
(http://www.tankmuseum.ru/images/japan.jpg)
Although I have a feeling that most would end nearly every sortie like this.
(http://home.sprynet.com/~kier/japtank.jpg)
(http://www.nps.gov/archive/amme/wwii_museum/battle_for_saipan/japanese_tank1_lg.jpg)
(http://static.lonelyplanet.com/worldguide/images/BN6216_1.jpg)
(http://k53.pbase.com/g6/17/736517/2/72046884.qII2AtYf.jpg)
(http://www.war44.com/images/0_others/2/jap.jpg)
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Not getting the entire point. No need for more uber german or russian tanks, either. Not in the MA ... not in the AVA. IF anything made sense for adding tanks to Aces High .... the only ones I can see would be ones that fill scenario gaps. Are we terribly lacking? Not really. :D
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Problem is that most of the tanks we'd want (to be competitive at least) are worth adding because they're late war or later in the line to where they'd be effective. Most of the early war ones were similar enough in size, weight and armament that one is as good as another. The only real differences (range, ground pressure, reliability, etc.) aren't really something that can be recreated in AH.
Thats not to say they shouldn't be worked in somehow- the Grant, the Lee, the Italian and Japanese tanks... all would be nice for a scenario, but otherwise would only be used by afficianadoes and those who like to use the "different" rides.
I still prefer my original solution to the prob though- its Aces High, why does it need AFVs in the first place? If I wanted tanks, I'd play Panzer Commander or Steel Beasts. Or WWIIOL.
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Originally posted by Treize69
...M3 Stuarts could mop the floor with them. .30-cal machine gun fire could punch through the armor of all but the biggest...
Oh finally, add it! I can take it out in my spit 1!!!!
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Generally,
Italian and Jap tanks were ****.
Thanks.
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Thanks for pointing that out. None of us were aware. This seems like Sherman threads of old part 2. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Thanks for pointing that out. None of us were aware. This seems like Sherman threads of old part 2. :D
I didn't read those threads- but whoever thought there weren't variants of the M4 that were capable, watched too much history ch.
The only Italian armour worth mentioning is the Semoventes and the P 40 , the latter of which is the only "tank", and is handily outclassed by what is in game currently (unlike say WWIIOL, where it would have a place in the early tiers).
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There was a time when the pilot's pistol was wooden and we all had to say "bang bang." :)
It's not always about who's daddy's tank is tougher. Sometimes fun is seeing how under the dog can be and still come out on top somehow. Sometimes it's rolling a jeep down a hill sideways when you're drunk. Sometimes it's losing a battle online the same way it was lost in history. Sometimes it's winning it instead.
Eh ... I'm philosophical like that. ;)
HT and I seem to share some similarities in vision. Some.
Now if only I can win over some SCW converts! :D
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How we add useful stuff before "roll down hills drunk" stuff?
k thnx
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And we come full circle. More uber German/Russian/even US tanks isn't filed under "useful stuff" on everyone's AHII Christmas shopping list. But we all have opinions and we all share them freely. For instance ... I'd like to see an SCW planeset and Spanish terrain (now that's "early war" .. ummm .. in the opinion of some ... and some likes them early war "hangar queens") looooong before a B-29 with a nuke (long being - save the nukes for the day after my funeral). But, being the realist I am ... I doubt either are high on .... or even on .... HT's list and it doesn't break my heart too much. Doesn't stop me from doing the occasional campaign for Spain (much to the mirth of my fellow AHers). Who am I to rain on someone else's parade? Oh ... wait ... yeah ... that'd be my turn for a bit of mirth (if not too offensively delivered), I suppose. :)
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There aren't any uber Soviet tanks in game, so it wouldn't be more.
Keep wishing for scenario use only tin cans though. may even get one in a few years :aok
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*Sigh* Another toe wrecklessly and callously stepped on ... another yelp. I'm not putting Italian *or* Japanese tanks on the top of my Christmas list, Gabe. But I'll let you in on a secret .... I've seen Panther, King Tiger and even the Jagdpanther threads here for years while other players (self included) thought the Sherman and T-34 were more logical and reasonable requests and supported such. While opinion varies, apparently the opinions shared with the developers and modelers get slotted a bit higher. Then there's my SCW dream. I know what I can get away with when it comes to a realistic and serious suggestion and what requires some tongue in cheek attitude. I've had practice in my presentation. I will mentor/kibitz for free. Scoff away. :D
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Type 3 "Chi-Nu"
Weight :18.3 ton
Dimensions:5.73 x 2.33 x 2.61 mt
Armor (max) : 50 mm
Range : 240 km
Speed (max - route) : 39 km/hr
Main gun : 75 mm
Crew : 5
The Typ 3 "Chi-Nu" medium tank, produced in 60 units, was retained in Japan for defending the Fatherland from the expected American invasion. When the Allies finally reached Japan, they were impressed by the good quality of this vehicle, unknown to them.
Would be the only Jap. tank I can see being worth while to add in. Unfortunately as far as I know it never saw combat, although I could be wrong
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Originally posted by Arlo
There are already two German MBTs, one US/British MBT, one Russian MBT modeled. No more German uber tanks are needed (or Russian ones ... or even US ones - Brit - maybe) .... even from just a plain `ol MA mentality. From a scenario or AVA standpoint, however, the Japanese and Italians don't seem to even have an armored car .... much less a tank.
Thank you. Carry on.
HTC ... thanks for the Shermie, baybee! (Firefly? That's ok.) :D
DUDE MAYBE THE RUSSIAN MBT WILL BE THE JS-2 (IS-2)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Treize69
Or theres always the Ke-Re.
(http://www.tankmuseum.ru/images/japan.jpg)
Although I have a feeling that most would end nearly every sortie like this.
(http://home.sprynet.com/~kier/japtank.jpg)
(http://www.nps.gov/archive/amme/wwii_museum/battle_for_saipan/japanese_tank1_lg.jpg)
(http://static.lonelyplanet.com/worldguide/images/BN6216_1.jpg)
(http://k53.pbase.com/g6/17/736517/2/72046884.qII2AtYf.jpg)
(http://www.war44.com/images/0_others/2/jap.jpg)
Man just imagine the inside, what a mess!!
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You ubertank squeakers need to realize, the Jeep is a recent addition. Sometimes, you want to see HTC add something because it is historically relevant, or serves some secondary purpose, or because it's iconic- not simply because it had a huge gun or you saw one on TV.
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well im sorry hubsonfire u buzzkill i guess we can call this a learning experience, now i know, and now you know that i know and now you know that i know that we both know that this wont happen again. :rolleyes:
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when you say the japanese or italians don't really have a tank...do you mean in this game or inreality during WWII?
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Just a question, when do you guys think the update is going to come out? I'm guessing either in march or april.
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Originally posted by angelsandair
Just a question, when do you guys think the update is going to come out? I'm guessing either in march or april.
14 days :noid
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u sure?
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Always. Literally. :D
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lol
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Crusader III
Matilda II
They would make a nice british tank to be added
Their main guns are too weak to compete with even the panzer and T34.
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jap tanks are bad, they had bad gun with paper armor
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Well, since this thread got bumped...
Arlo, I wanted an M4 for a long time. I was kinda hoping for different versions' of it though. Like an early M4A1, or a later M4A3E8, A "jumbo", a regular M4A1 with a "Calliope" rocket launcher, the 105mm. gunned assault version, etc.
The Firefly was almost anti-climactic; It did have a 17-pounder, which was a British invention, But in an American tank, Splits' it between the UK/US. Would have been neater to see something like a seperate Comet or Cromwell, and a regular U.S. style sherman. That way each country woulda had a dedicated AFV.
I'd like to emphasize, though, that early war and Mid war AFV's of all types' would be great to have in this game. Sorely lacking, in fact. The earliest AFV of any sort that we have, is probably the M3, which started to enter service sometime in 1940; But the gap between that, and the T-34 we have (Which by the turret design, is a 1942 or 43 model, I believe) is quite great; and also, it is only a halftrack.
Any early AFV's would make the EW and MW arena's much more playable, as well.
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It occurs to me that the T34, Panzer 4 and Sherman were the significant tanks of the period especially in terms of numbers produced. A true early war tank wont get used in significant no.s so why bother tp please a small no. of people.
So in terms of useage we have a choice between the Panther or the Cromwell. The Panther means another German tank which we dont need as we have the Tiger. The cromwell is perfect alongside the M4 as its faster but cant take on the Tiger so they both have a roll.
But what can the T34 do the cromwell cant do better?
I would like the Cromwell for the reasons above but it might push the T34 further into early/mid war (so what) ;)
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We need a proper British tank.
Firefly don't count.
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a somewhat useful jap tank
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Japanese_Type_3_Chi-Nu_tank_1.jpg
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Or theres always the Ke-Re.
(http://www.tankmuseum.ru/images/japan.jpg)
Although I have a feeling that most would end nearly every sortie like this.
(http://home.sprynet.com/~kier/japtank.jpg)
(http://www.nps.gov/archive/amme/wwii_museum/battle_for_saipan/japanese_tank1_lg.jpg)
(http://static.lonelyplanet.com/worldguide/images/BN6216_1.jpg)
(http://k53.pbase.com/g6/17/736517/2/72046884.qII2AtYf.jpg)
(http://www.war44.com/images/0_others/2/jap.jpg)
and that was from an american 37mm at gun which was prety worthless except against the japs
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how about the churchile i know i buchard the spelling can we please add a normal m4 and raise the perk to a normal 20 perk