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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Krusty on February 21, 2008, 10:28:40 AM
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I love this plane.
It's not the best. It's not the fastest, nor the best armed nor has it the heaviest bombload, but it's damned fun to fly!
It's got a good bombload (3k, that's 3 hangars or a decent chunk of a town with formations enabled), decent performance, GREAT range, superb cruising (you can double your range on existing fuel by throttling back a small amount!), and the character of the plane itself, tres magnifique!
Don't think it's defenseless, either. Both myself and a squaddie of mine have shot down me262s attacking us with the dorsal turret. I've made it my unofficial favorite bomber choice from now on.
Folks that don't think it's used (or think it's a hangar queen) aren't paying attention. It's not doing very well in kills/deaths because it only has 2 defensive gun positions, but it's got many thousands of deaths (and that alone indicates it's getting used! in some manner, at least). I wish we could see how much damage bombers have done in the stats. That might indicate how much its being used (vs the b-26 or ju88 etc)
I did notice in the stats a large number of gunner/ship kills on them. I would hope folks aren't trying to land on enemy CVs to recreate Pearl Harbor with them... :rofl
Anyways, I just wanted to say if you see a mission of B-25Cs up it might be me running it. Folks always use lancs or b-24s to take down bases, but b-25s do the job just as well, and with a couple of friends, just as quickly!
Viva la Mitchell!!
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Krusty does the C have a bombsight. For some odd reason I'm under the impression that when I tried it, it didnt have one???
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Originally posted by Bruv119
Krusty does the C have a bombsight. For some odd reason I'm under the impression that when I tried it, it didnt have one???
You selected the strafer version. Choose the 4-gun (bombsight) under "armaments"
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Originally posted by Bruv119
Krusty does the C have a bombsight. For some odd reason I'm under the impression that when I tried it, it didnt have one???
pending on what nose gun you use. it will say nose with no bomb site. all the other gun selections do have a bomb site tho on the C model
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Originally posted by Bruv119
Krusty does the C have a bombsight. For some odd reason I'm under the impression that when I tried it, it didnt have one???
like you need a bombsite to drop something from 1000 feet? :cool:
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Unless you want to miss, yes! :D
Note the B-25 isn't good for dive bombing. You'll lose both wings for no reason that way.
I've got a few skins planned, but I'm too busy and don't want to claim "dibs" and thus give away my ideas to others (that will do them before I can!)
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Originally posted by Krusty
I love this plane.
It's not the best. It's not the fastest, nor the best armed nor has it the heaviest bombload, but it's damned fun to fly!
Krusty, thanks for the tip! Just flew a sortie. 25% fuel, 3 or 3.5 sectors. Climbed to 17k. Climb rate begins (base was 4k'ish) at 1,700 and I watched as it clicked down to under a 1,000 above 15K.
Nailed two FH's and wounded a BH.
Had to race a Nit Tiffie back to a large home airfield. Went combat trim off at one point and trim nose down to pull it off.
Landed with 3 mins of gas in the tank.
:)
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Viva la Mitchell!
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I agree. More players should fly B-25C's.
(I'm having trouble finding helpless victims lately)
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Originally posted by Krusty
Unless you want to miss, yes! :D
Note the B-25 isn't good for dive bombing. You'll lose both wings for no reason that way.
I'm just pickin on ya anyway, I havent played since January of last year :p
I do remember guys dive bombing with A-20's and sheading wings and parts though...
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I too like this plane it is fun when fighters come up slow & below you thinking they will rip your belly out. That is when I lock it in to a climb & dorsal gun sight is right on top of enemy cockpit there dead before they can get guns on you.
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I bagged me a 262 by gentle turns (not enough to lose drones) so that I could bank and track the target. I think my squaddie (Beefcake) did the same when he bagged his 262. With the rate of climb on this bird, though, your idea has merit too!
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I dont fly it much but last time I took it out I shut a few hangars that needed shutting and gunned down an attacking Mossie, "I hate Mossies". Afterwards I landed all 3 25s.
Really how much more can you ask of an airplane?
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Ok well I did a run yesterday and took near half a town down. Impressed with speed and climb out.
a 110 upped and followed me all the way back to my base and whilst testing the speed it did good.
Got caught talking on squad vox and he managed to get closer than i thought he was. 110's are nasty!
Any tips on getting more than a split second shot by pulling up (other than having a gunner)
Has the b25H got the same rear gunner positions? got PW in a 262 by one yesterday and it seemed he was able to get a shot rear low 6?
I guess i need to pay more attention to details when these new planes get added.
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When gunning from a 25C use the Alt/X command to kill and enemy low in your 6. Type in .speed 130, or 140, and when the enemy gets within 800k hit Alt/X which stands the plane on end in a hot climb and puts the top turret into play against a low enemy. Using a speed of 140 or 150 puts you more into a gentle climb for longer, long enough to defeat an IB fighter.
Also useful to defeat belly attacks in medium bombers that dont have belly guns. Also useful to surprise a fighter thats trying to setup on top of you, "as the better bomber hunters do". Just the other day I had a 262 setting up on top of my 26s. I waited until he was about 2k over me, waited until he rolled the plane straight and couldnt see me, and hit Alt/X.
I climbed hard up to him and peppered him good causing him to break off and seek easier prey.
I practice this move in the TA. What is actually does, along with using your rudders, is it gives you total maneuverability for short periods while in the gunners seat. One thing tho a hard climb will often open your bomb bay doors so make sure you close them after.
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i thought that soon as you jumped into the gunner position it puts you on level auto pilot?
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
One thing tho a hard climb will often open your bomb bay doors so make sure you close them after.
A hard climb causes the doors to open by themselves?
Is this some new modeling with this newer bomber?
I've never had the doors open by themselves as a result of a "hard climb".
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Originally posted by Bruv119
i thought that soon as you jumped into the gunner position it puts you on level auto pilot?
It does if you jump to a gunner position from an auto take off auto climb. After an auto takoff if you break the auto climb and reactivated it by hitting Alt-X, the plane will contine to auto climb while you are in the gunner seat.
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cool problem solved thanks donzo.
I guess I jump in the gun late from external view and hop around shooting stuff to notice something like that. Probably because the bombsight is auto level I assumed gunner positions were the same.
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Originally posted by Donzo
A hard climb causes the doors to open by themselves?
Is this some new modeling with this newer bomber?
I've never had the doors open by themselves as a result of a "hard climb".
Yep, sure does in my bombers when you climb hard after hitting alt/X. Set speed to 130 in B-26s then hit Alt/X while your going full speed. Happens in 26s, KIs, 25s, A-20s. And yes it does put you back into level but the exception is the Alt/X command. You can sit in the gunners seat and climb using Alt/X, however, Ive never been able to do it with Alt/X mapped to my X-52 controllers while in gunners seat. Ive always had to use keyboard, tho Alt/X works while mapped if in F1, and If I remember right, F3.
The normal method I use to defeat these attacks is to go to rear top turret/F3 view and when the con is close enough I hit Alt/X and then jump into the actual gunners seat to gun while the plane is climbing. Eventually your going to have to hit "X" twice to avoid a stall and put the plane into level flight again. Often I'll put the bomber into a shallow dive to get speed back up, then level it out, and then Alt/X the incoming con again should I need to.
Gunning from a rear gun after hitting Alt/X takes some getting used to and it always helped me putting targets up in the TA and practicing. Even better use a buddy in an actual fighter.
Ive aced a lot of fighters who's pilots hit the chutes wondering how in heck I was able to get guns on them while they were in the attack angle they were in. I shot the wing off an F4U once who was directly under my B-26s.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Ive never been able to do it with Alt/X mapped to my X-52 controllers while in gunners seat. Ive always had to use keyboard, tho Alt/X works while mapped if in F1, and If I remember right, F3.
Same here.
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If the bomb bays are opening when you engage auto climb, you've got something screwed up in your control mapping.
It's never done that for me, ever, and 90% of my deaths in the B-25 have been G-load related so I've had plenty of opportunity to observe this.
Bruv: The -H has a tail gun position in addition to the dorsal, and may have waist gun positions (I can't remember)
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Originally posted by Krusty
If the bomb bays are opening when you engage auto climb, you've got something screwed up in your control mapping.
It's never done that for me, ever, and 90% of my deaths in the B-25 have been G-load related so I've had plenty of opportunity to observe this.
That what I thought. I've never, ever had the bombbay doors open by themselves when doing any type of climb.
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Originally posted by Donzo
That what I thought. I've never, ever had the bombbay doors open by themselves when doing any type of climb.
I do. I'm in gunners position in Lancaster, hit alt-X = doors open. Hit again: doors close. :noid