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Title: how are they doing it
Post by: julrichh on February 22, 2008, 11:37:23 AM: I see pilots take off and climb at a 45 and catch up to bombers at 10k feet. Ive also seen tanks taking out moving tanks that are not even in visual range yet.
How are these guys doing this? Ive stripped my aircraft down and even in a zero with 25% fuel I cant climb and catch up to bombers that fast. and with my visual range settings at full I cant see let alone hit tanks that are a full quadrant away.:(
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: BaldEagl on February 22, 2008, 11:47:56 AM: Take a faster climbing plane. Some will climb as fast as 4000 ft./minute with WEP on. That's 2 1/2 minutes to 10K.

As to the GV thing, turn ground detail to max and object detail to min.
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: Hap on February 22, 2008, 12:01:14 PM: Weight is a HUGE factor.

Take a P47N with 75% fuel and no ord with the standard 8 fifty-cals and 1700 rounds of ammo. Climb out.

Now try it with the 6 fifty-cals with 267 rounds per gun. That's the smallest ammo package. Put in 25% fuel and two drop tanks. Jettison one DT before taxiing. Climb out.

Take a 109K4, 50% fuel and a DT. Climb out.

Try a D Pony. 50% gas and 25% gas. If you want a nice 15 min or so base defense thing with the Pony. Take 25% gas and DT's. Lose one DT before taxiing.

Try an FW-A8 with the BIG guns. Try it with the two 20mm next.

You get the idea.
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: Spikes on February 22, 2008, 12:04:25 PM: It is all about weight. Take an LA7 up with 50% fuel on autoclimb. Now take a P-47 up with 50% on autoclimb. LA7's are one of the lightest planes in the game.
Title: Re: how are they doing it
Post by: Lusche on February 22, 2008, 12:24:01 PM: Quote
Originally posted by julrichh
I Ive also seen tanks taking out moving tanks that are not even in visual range yet.

Hit Shft-F4 for Ground Visual Range Mode
(Shift-F1 for standard Full Range View Mode)

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Originally posted by julrichh
Ive stripped my aircraft down and even in a zero with 25% fuel I cant climb and catch up to bombers that fast.

Bad Idea. The Zero is way too slow for trying to climb catch up with bombers. Go to http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php and compare the Zero with some other dedicated interceptors like 109K-4 for example.
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: Condor on February 22, 2008, 01:43:34 PM: The issue of not seeing ground vehicles that can see me has baffeled me. It seems like enemy GVs sometimes have an invisibility cloak. I've heard it's done by changing video settings but had no idea how. I'm surprised that some can get a big advantage over others this way but it is what it is.

Lusche - what does shift-F4 vs Shift F1 accomplish? I tried it off line and did note I could see trees further out on the hills with shift-F4 than shift-F1. But that was way out. Does it also enable seeing objects that are closer more clearly? Is this explained anywhere?

Bald Eagle - What do you mean by setting ground detail to max and object detail to min. The extremes of the object detail slider are "detail" and "faster". The extreme settings for ground detail are 3 miles and 0.5.

Thanks
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: BaldEagl on February 22, 2008, 02:09:39 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Condor
Bald Eagle - What do you mean by setting ground detail to max and object detail to min. The extremes of the object detail slider are "detail" and "faster". The extreme settings for ground detail are 3 miles and 0.5.

Set ground detail to 3 miles and object detail to faster. This allows maximum range visibility without object clutter (trees, shrubs, small hills, etc.) which allows you to see an enemy GV dot at considerable range.

If you shoot at him, you still need a clear "line of sight" (i.e. you will still hit anything between you and him even though you can't see it).

Also, objects nearby will still be visible and obstruct your view.
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: Latrobe on February 22, 2008, 02:36:30 PM: Take a yak, they climb fast! No wep and stil climbs at a 4,000ft/sec! Plus you have that 37mm once you get up there. :aok
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: BaldEagl on February 22, 2008, 02:41:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Latrobe
4,000ft/sec!

Wow! 240,000 feet /minute... Wow!
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: Lusche on February 22, 2008, 02:43:50 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Latrobe
Take a yak, they climb fast! No wep and stil climbs at a 4,000ft/sec! Plus you have that 37mm once you get up there. :aok

4,000ft/sec... :noid

But as this is the Help&Training forum, where it is pobably nto a good idea to leave such jokes uncommented:

The Yak-9T is actually an average climber. 3,000 ft/min up to 10k, then dropping off quickly.
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: Krusty on February 22, 2008, 03:57:49 PM: Agree there. Yaks are not great climbers.

Also, while weight makes up a factor in rate of climb, so does DRAG.

If you have the choice of a 109K with 50% and a DT, you save some weight on internal fuel, but you are carrying more fuel than you saved in the DT, and on top of that the wind resistance drag seriously hinders you.

So you have to balance your needs. If you REALLY need to get up there fast, 100% and no DT in a 109K will help you more than 50% and a DT.

Spitfires, on the other hand, don't have too much drag from DTs. P51s and P47s do, so again it's about balancing what you want and need.
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: Spikes on February 22, 2008, 04:02:24 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Latrobe
No wep and stil climbs at a 4,000ft/sec!

:O
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: MjTalon on February 22, 2008, 05:11:53 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Latrobe
Take a yak, they climb fast! No wep and stil climbs at a 4,000ft/sec! Plus you have that 37mm once you get up there. :aok

hell, that beasts my F22... just barely :rofl .
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: kilz on February 22, 2008, 09:44:55 PM: Quote
Originally posted by BaldEagl
Take a faster climbing plane. Some will climb as fast as 4000 ft./minute with WEP on. That's 2 1/2 minutes to 10K.

As to the GV thing, turn ground detail to max and object detail to min.

great lets teach him this cheep way of GVin.
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: BaldEagl on February 23, 2008, 10:54:12 AM: Quote
Originally posted by kilz
great lets teach him this cheep way of GVin.

He asked how it was done. I simply answered. I'd rather see him have the same advantages/disadvantages as everyone else than to keep him in the dark by keeping it some sort of secret.
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: Condor on February 23, 2008, 01:01:08 PM: Thanks, Bald Eagle,

I wanted to know. So far I haven't used it and probably won't. It seems like something that should be fixed. If not, however, everyone should have access to the same advantage if they choose to use it.
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: Hazard69 on February 23, 2008, 01:36:51 PM: Well, its not really an advantage. Quite often, you can see the enemy but cant hit him. I prefer to use the default settings. That way at least i know theres a dang tree between me and him.:eek:
Title: how are they doing it
Post by: kilz on February 23, 2008, 01:48:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Condor
Thanks, Bald Eagle,

I wanted to know. So far I haven't used it and probably won't. It seems like something that should be fixed. If not, however, everyone should have access to the same advantage if they choose to use it.

Condor attend that GV class i PMed you about that is today at 5pm EST. I think you will like it and find it useful