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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Megalodon on February 22, 2008, 10:47:57 PM
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B2 crashes in Guam pilots are safe. I wonder what caused it?
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N22409839.htm
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I wonder what caused it?
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gravity.
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First publically displayed in 1989. I worked on one of the lay-up mandrels for a wing flap in 1981. (For you Boeing guys, remember the drawings labeled "581" ?) So if I were to guess, the airframes are somewhere between 20 and 26 years old. Relatively young for a composite aircraft...Who knows...
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Big chunk of change gone down the drain.
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Costs as much as a space shuttle, yikes. Glad the pilots are ok, look forward to finding out the cause.
Did they file a flight plan? ;)
(apparently the most important part of any flight, according to the media when reporting on crashes)
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Big chunk of change gone down the drain.
yes the budget just went up 1.2 billion..
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they are looking for eyewitnesses.
http://pacificnewscenter.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=97&twindow=Default&mad=No&sdetail=20857&wpage=&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1718&hn=pacificnewscenter&he=.com
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Thats 4 military aircraft in non combat crashes in the last 2 weeks.. Luckily all the pilots lived.
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Good thing it wasnt a B52. Survival rates for ejecting from a 52 are 50 percent. Especially for the nav and weapons officer, their seats shoot downward.
B2 pilots are generaly the best heavy pilots, so im pretty sure it was some sort of catastrophic failure. although in a plane that complex, a catastrophic failure would equal a badly written line of somputer code in the fly by wire system.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I wonder what caused it?
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gravity.
badabing! :D
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Originally posted by crockett
Thats 4 military aircraft in non combat crashes in the last 2 weeks.. Luckily all the pilots lived.
One of the F-15 pilots died after ejecting :(
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I'm glad the crew is OK. I imagine they will nail down the cause of the incident through their investigation.
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Stall.
Most of us in-game stall out 10-15 times a day and think nothing of it...we either use it as a tactic or have learned how to easily recover from it.
Not so in the B2.
There is even an on-board computer that will not allow a pilot to intentionally stall the aircraft.
However, wind conditions, engine failure, and a few other conditions could bring about that 1 in 500,000 situation where the aircraft stalls. Hit the button and bail.
ROX
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At least both of those guys are safe. I heard this morning that one of them was in the hospital out there but was it was said that he would recover.
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Originally posted by Furball
One of the F-15 pilots died after ejecting :(
oh did he? I thought they both lived?
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Originally posted by crockett
oh did he? I thought they both lived?
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/02/airforce_f15_crash_080222w/
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Did they file a flight plan? ;)
(apparently the most important part of any flight, according to the media when reporting on crashes)
:rofl Naaa they were just taking it up for a spin!
I'm sorry Chairboy, after 22 years in the Airforce, that is just the funniest thing I have ever heard. :aok
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I have spent a lot of time in Guam with the bombers; from the pics of the crash site, it was just airborn when it went down in front of the wash rack and Hangar 1. I wish I had a dollar for every time I stood in front of hangar 1 watching bombers take off and I'm sure glad I wasn't standing there watching that one.
We have had a lot of near misses at Guam, as we conduct a large amout of bomber operations from there. Here is a pic of the last misshap we had there back in 2005 with a B-1. They were very lucky to have made it back to the island with a catistrophic engine fire.
(http://[IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/jqpyxy.jpg)[/IMG]
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after 100 years and billions in development, birds still fly better than humans.
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I wonder how much it would cost to build a B-2 with today's technology. Also, does rain still wash off the radar absorbing material?
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I don't think it's so much the rain will wash off the radar absorbing material, but more the fact that the material absorbs moisture which will freeze at altitude and over a period of time cause damage to the structure.
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Had the built more, the cost per plane would have dropped dramatically----the half-billion-per reflected the total cost of the program divided by the # of planes built
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Originally posted by john9001
after 100 years and billions in development, birds still fly better than humans.
I dunno, we still have birds fly into our windows occasionally, and no B-2's yet so I'd say the B-2s are ahead.
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Originally posted by lutrel
I don't think it's so much the rain will wash off the radar absorbing material, but more the fact that the material absorbs moisture which will freeze at altitude and over a period of time cause damage to the structure.
I know supersonic planes get hot and expand, I don't know about sub sonic planes though
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Originally posted by john9001
after 100 years and billions in development, birds still fly better than humans.
Name me one bird that can fly at mach 2+
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Any bird can, assisted.
Once.
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:D
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Name one plane that can reproduce itself then take care of itself for several years.
:p