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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: justguess on February 23, 2008, 06:44:09 AM
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I was reading joedog's advertisement thread and frode's chastisement regarding a post joedog made in the general forum where joedog called the AvA a mini MA.
I have to agree with joedog in as much as the AvA arena is a mini MA but I don't think people grasp the reason why it is so. in this post I will attempt to explain why the AvA is a mini MA and I will offer concrete suggestions for changing that.
if I'm in the AvA and oldman logs on we will get on opposing sides. we will get in the ride available, we will up to about 5k or so from the two nearest bases and we will fight until one plane is pixellated. if 10 regulars show up then the same scenario will be repeated only it will be a 6v6 furball. back in the day this is pretty much what you saw day in, day out. the only break in the routine was when a player showed up and vultched, picked, ganged or whatever then after several warnings if the nugget persisted with his MA ways four or five guys would make him the object of their special attention and that player either got the message or got away back to the MA, usually with a whimper stating that "this place is just like the MA".
it is difficult for the non AvA regular to grasp this verifiable fact and many will write it off this post as my nostalgic airbrushing of what really occurred. I am hoping some others will verify my statement.
if the AvA has become a mini MA it is because new players naturally brining their MA mores with them have become the largest sector of the AvA population. this "war" encourages that very behavior many of us find distasteful by creating a need to win over all other considerations.
the war to me is good only in that it has brought new players in but the quality of the fight is consistently poor now. to me this is striking a deal with the devil. it is unavoidable that you will have players climbing 10k above the fight looking to dive in on any fight irrespectively of the engaged countryman asking them to please stay out. you will have MA based squads vultching because "they need to win the war".
so in essence joedog is correct in saying that the AvA is a mini MA. he is also correct in posting the reality wherever he so choses. I think frode's attempt to spin the reality is wrong. while the truth is sometimes bad PR one cannot go wrong with the truth, unvarnished with warts and all.
if you want to change what the AvA is inspite of the "war" then follow these few simple suggestions.
1. don't vultch
2. don't gang
3. don't run to ack
by abstaining from these three classically MA activities we will each make the AvA significantly different from the MA but more importantly you will make yourself a better player.
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If thats the case then why not make it a dueling arena? Sounds like your not interested in the sim experience it offers.
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My guys are under orders to accomplish an objective and land the aircraft if at all possible; those orders include using any tactic the game allows and is not a cheat.
The AvA is not a mini main, it is rather the only arena that offers a realistic plane set complete with objectives and goals to work torwards as a team. I have been flying WWII flight sims for 10 years now and understand the aspects of a gentilemans fight some of you wish for, but in every sim I've been in it takes place in the dueling arena.
I'm not saying that a couple of guys can't meet in a designated location in the AvA and duel away. It's just unreasonable to expect everyone to fly like we are in the DA. Like I said before, the Avengers will fly to win the war/dog fight, which ever the case may be, so stay out of our cross hairs and bring a wing man.
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i always thought it was supposed to be a historical arena,
:rofl
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the arena was called the combat theater at one time. the name was changed to axis and allieds when HTC needed the combat theater for their soon to be released project.
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Originally posted by justguess
their soon to be released project.
Comic genius!:aok
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Originally posted by just guess
the arena was called the combat theater at one time. the name was changed to axis and allies when HTC needed the combat theater for their soon to be released project.
Ya how many years ago was that? i do remember it ,been the longest two weeks ever
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Originally posted by justguess
I was reading joedog's advertisement thread and frode's chastisement regarding a post joedog made in the general forum where joedog called the AvA a mini MA.
I have to agree with joedog in as much as the AvA arena is a mini MA but I don't think people grasp the reason why it is so. in this post I will attempt to explain why the AvA is a mini MA and I will offer concrete suggestions for changing that.
if I'm in the AvA and oldman logs on we will get on opposing sides. we will get in the ride available, we will up to about 5k or so from the two nearest bases and we will fight until one plane is pixellated. if 10 regulars show up then the same scenario will be repeated only it will be a 6v6 furball. back in the day this is pretty much what you saw day in, day out. the only break in the routine was when a player showed up and vultched, picked, ganged or whatever then after several warnings if the nugget persisted with his MA ways four or five guys would make him the object of their special attention and that player either got the message or got away back to the MA, usually with a whimper stating that "this place is just like the MA".
it is difficult for the non AvA regular to grasp this verifiable fact and many will write it off this post as my nostalgic airbrushing of what really occurred. I am hoping some others will verify my statement.
if the AvA has become a mini MA it is because new players naturally brining their MA mores with them have become the largest sector of the AvA population. this "war" encourages that very behavior many of us find distasteful by creating a need to win over all other considerations.
the war to me is good only in that it has brought new players in but the quality of the fight is consistently poor now. to me this is striking a deal with the devil. it is unavoidable that you will have players climbing 10k above the fight looking to dive in on any fight irrespectively of the engaged countryman asking them to please stay out. you will have MA based squads vultching because "they need to win the war".
so in essence joedog is correct in saying that the AvA is a mini MA. he is also correct in posting the reality wherever he so choses. I think frode's attempt to spin the reality is wrong. while the truth is sometimes bad PR one cannot go wrong with the truth, unvarnished with warts and all.
if you want to change what the AvA is inspite of the "war" then follow these few simple suggestions.
1. don't vultch
2. don't gang
3. don't run to ack
by abstaining from these three classically MA activities we will each make the AvA significantly different from the MA but more importantly you will make yourself a better player.
I chastised Joedog? When? Was it in this thread? http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=227516
Please, show me where I got on Joedogs' case about this.
Because it wasn't Joedog. I was trying to suggest to Machnix and 68Dougal, that taking a Flamefest out into the very thread that Joedog spent a lot of time trying to make, That was aimed at bringing more people into the AvA to experience this experiment, was a bad idea. If you read the posts' in that thread, you will see what the issue is. You want to attract the players' that play clean, right? Those posts' would drive any away. On the same token, if it's taken that it's a vulchfest in here, It could also have the opposite effect. You could actually draw all of what you consider the "worst sorts."
If you don't nip this in the bud, Storch, it will be YOU who is muttering "It's just like the MA in here" as you log from the AvA.
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***yawns.... runs fingers through hair... sips coffee and reads on**
Why not a Squad oriented Dueling Arena? ;)
oops... sorry that's what we have there now. hehe carry on.
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Storch is correct, that is what the old Combat Theater was in its heyday. It was primarily squad based, and it was mostly but not always air to air. Some sets like FinRus in the AHI days had some of the longest, most ferocious GV battles I've ever been in.
But, having said that, I think the Genie is out of the bottle and things are never going back to the way they were and thats not necessarily bad, just different.
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Grits I bet if they disable jeeps, M3s , and C47s most people will leave and we can start building our sandcastles again with out everyone trying to knock them down.
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Maybe I don't get it. I have logged into the AvA more and more in the last couple on months. When I Log into the Arena I get a MOTH that give me info on what needs to happen to WIN the Battle going on. So Its kinda like CAP field < Vulch >. Close FH, VH, BH and take town down. Bombing < Toolsheding >. So you need to up from another Base < Stops Vulching > Defend Base < Anti Toolsheding > And Help out others in a Fight. < Always Checks with pilot if he need a hand >. If Im wrong Please let me know :cool: I will try and play by the Arena Rules :aok
Crims
479th Raiders
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Rule 1: Dont shoot TrueKill
Rule 2: Stay still when TrueKill is shooting at you.
Rule 3: Dont **** with TrueKills sheep!
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I have no proplem with Rule 1 & 2. 3 now thats going to be hard :O :O :noid
Crims
479th Raiders
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I just posted a incipient flamewar on this very topic and I can't believe what a crummy place the AvA has become.
I'm bummed.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I just posted a incipient flamewar on this very topic and I can't believe what a crummy place the AvA has become.
I'm bummed.
im not trying to be negative, but scotty, if you're not happy with AVA then stop coming. no one is twisting your arm to join in every night.
we get the point that you're not happy with it. ok, roger, 10-4.
but rather then spreading your viral negativity why dont you just refrain from making mindless comments period. ask to be taken out of the forum and go play in the MA.
we need positive players and obviously you're not one of them.
go find another sandbox to play in and have a good time.
thanks and have a great life.
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So your opinion is that since _my_ opinion isn't blowing sunshine up someone's butt, I shouldn't express it? Nice.
I pay fifteen bucks, just like you, so I have the exact same opportunity to express my opinion as you do. Just because you don't agree with it or you consider it negative, doesn't make it any less valid.
As for your 'mindless comments' angle, whatever. It's obvious you're not paying attention when you say 'go to the MA instead', because my issue is that the AvA has become just like the MA. Work on those comprehension skills, bucko.
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Originally posted by captain1ma
but rather then spreading your viral negativity why dont you just refrain from making mindless comments period. .
He's right Scotty, mindless comments are his department.
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Originally posted by Shifty
He's right Scotty, mindless comments are his department.
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