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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MjTalon on February 24, 2008, 10:07:42 AM
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We shall depart at 7:30-8pm EST time from the LWO arena. Try to arrive there about 7pm so we will have everyone in the arena, and we can start the debriefing tonight. Country of Target will be withheld until further notice. Target will be announced over channel 200 to the corresponding country, that will give you fellas time to grab alt and try to knock us down
Rook squadrons that wish to participate in this bombing campaign tonight, please PM me on forums ASAP.
Hope to see the 4th in force overhead if you fellas can escort us tonight
Mission: TBA
Target: TBA
Take off Field: TBA
Squadrons: AArch AAngels, 78th & 484th BG. ( May be adding more ).
I'll see you fellas tonight! :aok:) .
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Would be very cool to see 30+ pilots with ai up for this one. That would be 90 bombers total. I believe with the groups we have, it might be almost there. The more the merrier.
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<- -waxing my Comet :D
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Originally posted by ghi
<- -waxing my Comet :D
You may see us within range of your rocket....you may not. Who knows.:D
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Yep. Who knows :D .
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Talen clean out yer inbox! :D
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Originally posted by ghi
<- -waxing my Comet :D
<--polishing P38
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Painting a balkenkreuz on a B17 I found.:D
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Originally posted by SpikesX
<--polishing P38
Thats not a heavy bomber!
Oh, wait...
:D
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Originally posted by blkmgc
Thats not a heavy bomber!
Oh, wait...
:D
:mad: :furious
Talon doesn't know how to clean out an inbox. :D :p
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Bish 262 night! Woot!
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I can almost guarantee that we wont be attacking the HQ. HQ missions these days ae not worth it since it only stays down for five or ten minutes.
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Originally posted by Larry
I can almost guarantee that we wont be attacking the HQ. HQ missions these days ae not worth it since it only stays down for five or ten minutes.
Who knows :D .
Inbox cleaned :) .
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Originally posted by MjTalon
Inbox cleaned :) .
A little too late...:furious
:D
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Originally posted by SpikesX
A little too late...:furious
:D
Ya ya, already saw ya bum online, you ready bro :D . Gonna be a FLIGHT :cool: .
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OMG! The servers going to puke LOL
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The mission was much fun.
No, I wasn't in it, but watching Pieper & friends crying without end about "stupid waste of resources" on country was worth logging on :D
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single digit fps and alot of crying for some reason...
seems people dont like fights anymore so compain about it. its about time we had some strat bombing formations rather than the stupid constant congo line of cons attacking bases noe.
great time everyone, i HOPE it carrys on, and i hope more get drawn into the idea on ALL sides.
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Originally posted by Lusche
The mission was much fun.
No, I wasn't in it, but watching Pieper & friends crying without end about "stupid waste of resources" on country was worth logging on :D
Have to admit...that was a bonus. :D
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really fun time sux though stupid lucky 1 hit in cockpit 262 go boom:furious
but its cool managed to get a total of like 15 bombers for the loss of 1 of my 262s and a ditch in my 163 :D
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Good lead Talen
. Also a big to our escorts. You gents did a great job. The cons found us early (hmm..wonder how:rolleyes: ) but you guys handed it to them anywho. They must have felt:O . And then we proceeded to hammer 3 strat targets. I'm sure Talen will have a much better AAR along, with some pics.
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Knight city 26%. Knight radar factory 29%. Knight AAA factory 53%. To those Rooks who complained about "resources wasted". You're welcome.:D :t
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i couldnt believe my first kill was talen and my second was filth.
I managed 4 in 262 and 4 in 163. Landed both. :)
the compaints about this mission are really shocking and worrying... i sometimes wonder why people pay to play here if all they wana do is one thing, and totally ignore this part of the airwar. It was mass fun for everyone who took part (on both sides) yet the people complaining wasnt the ones that went up against it... says something doesnt it.
Next time one of these happens though i gona have to lower my Gfx cards settings i think :lol
Originally posted by JimmyZ
Knight city 26%. Knight radar factory 29%. Knight AAA factory 53%. To those Rooks who complained about "resources wasted". You're welcome.:D :t
someone said that on our channel too..... wasted resources fighting you guys... i mean wtf? we wasting resources by having fun?
and does anyone who says this junk relise what strat does in this game? :furious
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I need to be on the next time one of these ups...
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Originally posted by JimmyZ
Knight city 26%. Knight radar factory 29%. Knight AAA factory 53%. To those Rooks who complained about "resources wasted". You're welcome.:D :t
Oh, to play the devils advocate: That doesn't have as much influence on the "war" as if all those guys had captured some fields :t ;)
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Aw man, that was one of my best raids of 2008. BIG
to everyone from the bombers, to the escorts on that raid. Was the most fun i've had hosting my bomber raids this year!
I'll have a AAR by tomorrow afternoon/morning along with some pictures so the bishops could see what we did to the knights:D . We shot down NUMEROUS enemy fighters. But we did get scouted early by a lone wolf Typhoon.
But all in all, we totally decimated the knight strats: City was knocked down to 22%, Radar Factory- 29%, And AAA factory-55%. Not bad considering the amount of opposition that the knights threw at us, to the knights for a fantastic evening :aok . Anyhow, i'm tired lols, that mission took the best out of me.
And too top it off, 75% of the mission lost there VOX :lol . Guess we had THAT many planes in one arena at once huh? :aok
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Originally posted by Lusche
Oh, to play the devils advocate: That doesn't have as much influence on the "war" as if all those guys had captured some fields :t ;)
And that be the problem.
instead of killing strat factories making base captures easier for smaller groups, we just get mass 30+ missions to horde local fields, while the strat system is ignored.
Originally posted by MjTalon
And too top it off, 75% of the mission lost there VOX :lol . Guess we had THAT many planes in one arena at once huh? :aok
most of the server lost Vox because of you :noid
i must admit we've done more damage than that with less buffs.... but thats mainly because the small darbar draws less attention, which decreases the buff pilots workload making it "easier".
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Originally posted by Overlag
And that be the problem.
instead of killing strat factories making base captures easier for smaller groups, we just get mass 30+ missions to horde local fields, while the strat system is ignored.
most of the server lost Vox because of you :noid
i must admit we've done more damage than that with less buffs.... but thats mainly because the small darbar draws less attention, which decreases the buff pilots workload making it "easier".
Good thing i was on Teamspeak :lol ! Think i need to Do it again, shut down VOX for no enemy communication :D !
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Originally posted by Overlag
most of the server lost Vox because of you :noid
Glad we could help.:aok
Lusche, you taking Krus... er Devils advocate lessons?
:D
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Originally posted by blkmgc
Glad we could help.:aok
Lusche, you taking Krus... er Devils advocate lessons?
:D
I hope not... I try hard to stay in touch with reality... :D
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Originally posted by Lusche
Oh, to play the devils advocate: That doesn't have as much influence on the "war" as if all those guys had captured some fields :t ;)
Yeah but we all suck at jabo, that's why we fly the heavies. What's a goon?;:confused: ;)
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I entered arena as mission was getting ready. Couldn't get anyone to help me get ready to go with mission. I was told to drop my DTs when we first saw sign of enemy, so I could be 1 of 10 guys in on 1 guy. Almost killshoted myself. Said "F**K THIS!" Climbed back up to bombers. Went to drop a deuce. (most productive action that I had of the night) Came back and attacked a P38. Almost killshoted myself. Said "F**K THIS!" Climbed back up to bombers. Got some Funyuns. Went in after 152. Pulled up on his 6oc. Started to shoot. A friendly P51 comes flying down in front of me. Almost killshoted myself. Said "F**K THIS!" Watch some bombers get shot down. Got mad when after 51. Stayed with him all the way down. Wasted all my ammo spraying at him in frustration. Knock his engine out. HO a P38. Run out of ammo. Run out of fuel. Try to knock P51 down before he ditches so I can get kill. End up losing my tail and right wing. P51 doesn't get scratched. Crashed. Said "F**K THIS!" Took a shower. Posted AAR.
Totals:
0 Kills
0 Assists
1 Bag of Funyuns Eaten
4 "F**K THIS!" being said
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Originally posted by Redlegs
I entered arena as mission was getting ready. Couldn't get anyone to help me get ready to go with mission. I was told to drop my DTs when we first saw sign of enemy, so I could be 1 of 10 guys in on 1 guy. Almost killshoted myself. Said "F**K THIS!" Climbed back up to bombers. Went to drop a deuce. (most productive action that I had of the night) Came back and attacked a P38. Almost killshoted myself. Said "F**K THIS!" Climbed back up to bombers. Got some Funyuns. Went in after 152. Pulled up on his 6oc. About to shoot. A friendly P51 comes flying down in front of me. Almost killshoted myself. Said "F**K THIS!" Watch some bombers get shot down. Got mad when after 51. Stayed with him all the way down. Wasted all my ammo spraying at him in frustration. Knock his engine out. HO a P38. Run out of ammo. Run out of fuel. Try to knock P51 down before he ditches so I can get kill. End up losing my tail and right wing. P51 doesn't get scratched. Crashed. Said "F**K THIS!" Took a shower. Posted AAR.
Ouch.....:lol ! Sorry but when i was reading it, i just had to laugh. First red, there was basically no communication other than me, and the 484th on TS. Our raid knocked out VOX for majority of the Server in LWO :lol . So don't fill bad sir if you were diving on something that every other escort was looking at, there wasn't any way to notify the other escorts that you were going after that one target sir.
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Talen that was fing awsome great mission sorry I had to ditch parents getting on my case and was shot up pretty bad
hope you can do someting like this again twas awsome !!!! TY to al the Righteous Vengeance guys that joined
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Bombers on takeoff. I counted 28 formations. To bad there was a spy that flew three sectors deep behind our lines and knew right where we were ten minutes after we rolled.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/1bomb.jpg)
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/2bomb.jpg)
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well 28 bomber formations AND 15+ escort aircraft WILL shutdown the vox channels LOL :lol .
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Looked fun! Have to catch the next one :) . I wonder how its "a waste of resources" if it destroys 22% of city, 29% of radar factory, and 55% of AAA factory? When a big raid like that goes up there are fewer people to attack and take a base, but it also does the same to the country the raid is attacking! So it pretty much evens out.
To anyone who may have (and probably did) whine about "waste of resources" or "you're taking men away from the base were're attacking!" just go on the defensive and defend the base you take off from until raid ends. If you were able to get a cap on a field once you can do it again. It all will come out to be a base capture in the end PLUS the enemy strats are damaged.
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Some people take this "war" and the resources way to far lol
:rolleyes:
donkey
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They require help :D .
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i feel like 1 person said your taking resources and it got blown outta proportion....
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Stop whining.
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shoot, i would have switched to rook just to have been in it.
As long as you werent attackin bish.
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Here's a bomber that caught my eye :]
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/1bomb.jpg)
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That guy was warping a bit and his drone was acting funny.
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I couldnt have cared less if it "took anything away from base capture resources", even tho we were on a roll. If the guys in the mission had fun then Im glad for them. I would have gone but I knew I had to log early last night.
I checked the roster and you had some talent in the raid Talon. Ill try and make the next one and Im glad you all had fun. I love flying the AH B-17.
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so WHAT if it's a 'waste of resources'-- a minor point which is often lost here, is that the game is about FUN! I can't think of anything more fun than a big crew of bombers and fighters calling you out on 200 and say "come on up ****ies here we are!" If and when CT ever gets up and going it will be about fights such as this:aok
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that was a nice mission, wtg guys
367th knew it was coming from reading the boards earlier
so we were watching for a large dar bar to show up well behind the front
then we noticed it roll from A12 i think
that was one of our guys that scouted you south of 13
we had about 7 guys on, and tried to do what we could with Ta152's,
but there was a ton of escort, the buff formations were tight and its hard to attack buffs at 30K (I need to work on that, lol)
I love those "Scenarios" within the MA, g/j S`
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Originally posted by Cooley
that was a nice mission, wtg guys
367th knew it was coming from reading the boards earlier
so we were watching for a large dar bar to show up well behind the front
then we noticed it roll from A12 i think
that was one of our guys that scouted you south of 13
we had about 7 guys on, and tried to do what we could with Ta152's,
but there was a ton of escort, the buff formations were tight and its hard to attack buffs at 30K (I need to work on that, lol)
I love those "Scenarios" within the MA, g/j S`
hehe, we wanted it to be fun for both sides, thats why we announced it! I'm still working on the AAR, so standby :D . WAs that your group the first 190s engaged?
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yes, that was us
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Forget that the majority of all rooks were in a single mission and that almost no activity was happening on the bish/rook front, but we were getting slammed nonstop by bish while the entire rook team steamrolls to our HQ.....
Forget complaints of "waste of resource" on the rook side....
I'm sick of giant missions where the LOWEST straggling bomber is 25k, and the majority are 30k!!! Fighters even higher!
Hell I was flying a 110 for almost an hour trying to get up to them. When I finally got remotely close to "tail end charlie" (who was probably 6k below all other bombers! a measely 25-26k) 6 fighters above and around all tried to take potshots at me and one other knit. A single evasive and viola, the bombers are walking away and far above me now.
Screw that.
Finally go and land (sick of this crap) and find ENY is at 6. No Me163s. Bombers are almost over our HQ. My final words were, I believe, "screw the rooks," and "this isn't what I call fun," and I logged.
So when you get an organized mission that stays below 30k, hell stays below 26k, and you successfully defend it and hit the target, THEN you can have bragging rights.
Until then it's a dweeb-o-rama steamroller milkrun fest.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Forget that the majority of all rooks were in a single mission and that almost no activity was happening on the bish/rook front, but we were getting slammed nonstop by bish while the entire rook team steamrolls to our HQ.....
Forget complaints of "waste of resource" on the rook side....
I'm sick of giant missions where the LOWEST straggling bomber is 25k, and the majority are 30k!!! Fighters even higher!
Hell I was flying a 110 for almost an hour trying to get up to them. When I finally got remotely close to "tail end charlie" (who was probably 6k below all other bombers! a measely 25-26k) 6 fighters above and around all tried to take potshots at me and one other knit. A single evasive and viola, the bombers are walking away and far above me now.
Screw that.
Finally go and land (sick of this crap) and find ENY is at 6. No Me163s. Bombers are almost over our HQ. My final words were, I believe, "screw the rooks," and "this isn't what I call fun," and I logged.
So when you get an organized mission that stays below 30k, hell stays below 26k, and you successfully defend it and hit the target, THEN you can have bragging rights.
Until then it's a dweeb-o-rama steamroller milkrun fest.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
You take a 110 to hunt high-alt buffs, then complain you can't catch up with them? Oh boy...
Someone is defenitely looking for easy to kill 10k buff raids.
ANY big buff mission under 20k with a darbar like that and an announcement both on boards & CH 200 is shredded even before getting close to their objective.
And 25k for buffs is a quite historical altitude for B-17's.
All was fair yesterday, defenders had alot of time to scramble and many, many of them did.
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lots of other guys seemed to have fun attacking that mission. Say something positive for once, bro :)
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Originally posted by Krusty
Forget that the majority of all rooks were in a single mission and that almost no activity was happening on the bish/rook front, but we were getting slammed nonstop by bish while the entire rook team steamrolls to our HQ.....
Forget complaints of "waste of resource" on the rook side....
I'm sick of giant missions where the LOWEST straggling bomber is 25k, and the majority are 30k!!! Fighters even higher!
Hell I was flying a 110 for almost an hour trying to get up to them. When I finally got remotely close to "tail end charlie" (who was probably 6k below all other bombers! a measely 25-26k) 6 fighters above and around all tried to take potshots at me and one other knit. A single evasive and viola, the bombers are walking away and far above me now.
Screw that.
Finally go and land (sick of this crap) and find ENY is at 6. No Me163s. Bombers are almost over our HQ. My final words were, I believe, "screw the rooks," and "this isn't what I call fun," and I logged.
So when you get an organized mission that stays below 30k, hell stays below 26k, and you successfully defend it and hit the target, THEN you can have bragging rights.
Until then it's a dweeb-o-rama steamroller milkrun fest.
Krusty, before you start up, let me inform you. The bomber stream leveled at 25,000ft to start our bombing campaign. Once we dropped on the last target ( AAA ) we started to climb for egress, we had already 85% of the bombers before we dropped on our last target.
As for a 110, why in gods name did you roll a 110 out of all of the fighter interceptors available? Odd :huh .
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Lucshe, I had ample time to climb. We saw the dar bar building well before they crossed our "front line." I was at 25k before I spotted the first con. I don't consider flying bombers at max speed and max alt (where they can't climb any further!) to be brave by any exaggeration of the word.
Talon: somehow (we had a lot of BAD location reports) the bombers snuck past me, I was too close to the edge of the map. I came up behind the stream. There were 2 formations way lower than the rest, the rest being dots much higher and outside icon range in front of me. One formation was being attacked already. I noted my alt, between 25 and 26k. The other bombers were barely visible as formations but were DEFINITELY higher than me, to the point where I would be unsure of getting up to them to make an attack where I not on the stragglers I had found.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Lucshe, I had ample time to climb. We saw the dar bar building well before they crossed our "front line." I was at 25k before I spotted the first con. I don't consider flying bombers at max speed and max alt (where they can't climb any further!) to be brave by any exaggeration of the word.
Talon: somehow (we had a lot of BAD location reports) the bombers snuck past me, I was too close to the edge of the map. I came up behind the stream. There were 2 formations way lower than the rest, the rest being dots much higher and outside icon range in front of me. One formation was being attacked already. I noted my alt, between 25 and 26k. The other bombers were barely visible as formations but were DEFINITELY higher than me, to the point where I would be unsure of getting up to them to make an attack where I not on the stragglers I had found.
CC sir, just went over the film. The 78th BGH was above 26k, they leveled at about 27-28k. That might have been the stream you were looking at. The main stream had leveled at 25k sir.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Forget that the majority of all rooks were in a single mission and that almost no activity was happening on the bish/rook front, but we were getting slammed nonstop by bish while the entire rook team steamrolls to our HQ.....
Forget complaints of "waste of resource" on the rook side....
I'm sick of giant missions where the LOWEST straggling bomber is 25k, and the majority are 30k!!! Fighters even higher!
Hell I was flying a 110 for almost an hour trying to get up to them. When I finally got remotely close to "tail end charlie" (who was probably 6k below all other bombers! a measely 25-26k) 6 fighters above and around all tried to take potshots at me and one other knit. A single evasive and viola, the bombers are walking away and far above me now.
Screw that.
Finally go and land (sick of this crap) and find ENY is at 6. No Me163s. Bombers are almost over our HQ. My final words were, I believe, "screw the rooks," and "this isn't what I call fun," and I logged.
So when you get an organized mission that stays below 30k, hell stays below 26k, and you successfully defend it and hit the target, THEN you can have bragging rights.
Until then it's a dweeb-o-rama steamroller milkrun fest.
Max throttle on a B17 is 46 0r 48 manifold. We were at 35 to 40 to stay grouped. Third group(484th BGH) were slightly behind and lower than AATaleN's lead group at 24 to 25k. Would you like some cheese with that? :t
So many people piss and moan about non historical use of the bombers in the game(especially the late war mains), yet when they are flown historically, people still whine. I'm sure the Rooks who took out Knight field radar and acks appreciated them not popping sooner for awhile at least.
Oh well, we had a blast, stuff got blown up, many cons got shot down. That's all I wanted. Awesome mission AATaleN, 484th looks forward to flying more strategic high altitude historical missions with you. :aok:cool:
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"historical"?
Were you at max cruise? Did you have the weight of 100% fuel onboard? Also with fuel burn and nearly full throttle you only got much lighter as you continued flying, improving your speed and performance as you progressed.
Let's not forget (historically) entire areas where LW planes attacked unmolested because the escort fighters were busy miles away, the bomber stream strechting for miles and miles.
You can dismiss it as a "whine" if you like but in this game it's a valid complaint.
EDIT: Never mind, I'm not going to argue about that. Suffice it to say they were still as high as they could get and almost as fast as they could get.
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367th sat around waiting for the rook mission to begin. We spotted it pretty early and got in on it quick. Us guys had a lot of fun chasing down the mission and trying to take out some buffs.
I don't understand the complaints from people, whatever they are. Seeing that many cons in one area gets your heart pumping.
I guess the guys that complain are the ones that didn't want to put in the effort to be a part of the mission. Either on the knit side or the rook side. They wanted their 2 kills in a lala then land. Us, that had fun, understand what these missions are all about and I would like to thank the guys on the rook front that put it on!
I even had a chance to up a 163 and land it for the first time in MA!
Great job of breaking up the furballs and giving us something to do other than b*tch on 200!
~Tattered 367th
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Originally posted by Krusty
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EDIT: Never mind, I'm not going to argue about that. Suffice it to say they were still as high as they could get and almost as fast as they could get.
Just be happy they were at 25K and not being used for dive bombing LOL
And in the knits defence. When I was on we were being steamrolled pretty good by both Rooks and Bish.
Its not like the Knits were in a position to mount any kind of serious defence
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I always thought that was the idea behind strategic bombing. To actually get thru to your target, destroy it with bombs, and then make it back home.
I never knew we were supposed to furball with them.:p
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We took off with 75% and leveled at 25k then pulled throttle back to 33-35"MP for the lead planes. We got real close and tryed to protect each other without killing ourselfs.
Yep thats pretty dam historical.
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most fun ive had in game, cant wait for CT. its very strange how people get annoyed by this action. I had a arguement with one squadie about it, one person on country channel and now this on the forums. if you dont like bomber missions dont up for them (like most already do).
for me, its what i want to see more in this game, both from inside a bomber, and from inside a fighter. Proper bomber formations, formations etc. 26k is "extreme" side but i guess with 163s its totally unfair anyway.
AAtalen, Olds and filth etc have done great bombing campaigns before and i hope they keep going. 71st are going to try it, but only 5 turned up for our first mission.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Lucshe, I had ample time to climb. We saw the dar bar building well before they crossed our "front line." I was at 25k before I spotted the first con. I don't consider flying bombers at max speed and max alt (where they can't climb any further!) to be brave by any exaggeration of the word.
Talon: somehow (we had a lot of BAD location reports) the bombers snuck past me, I was too close to the edge of the map. I came up behind the stream. There were 2 formations way lower than the rest, the rest being dots much higher and outside icon range in front of me. One formation was being attacked already. I noted my alt, between 25 and 26k. The other bombers were barely visible as formations but were DEFINITELY higher than me, to the point where I would be unsure of getting up to them to make an attack where I not on the stragglers I had found.
Hate to break it to you son, we were at 25k and 35 manifold from the first target to the last ( about 2 sectors). And guess what..we all died. Dio you hear us whining? No, because we had fun. Maybe you need to look up the folks that shot us down and get some training from them.
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Thank you everyone
. I try to make the missions i run enjoyable and fun, since the climbout on bomber raids are terribly boring. As for the ranks, i did my job. If your complaining about the raid, then my mission is half completed. :aok
If i make you mad because the bombers was at 25k, or you were shot down because you couldn't roll a La7 to intercept, then my job is half completed. We did put a good hurting on knights last night, and we whacked numerous aircraft that opposed us.
Anyhow, We are planning another raid, so stay tuned :D .
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:aok
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Raids in early,mid, and ava the 18-20k alt for missions is fine, but in LW where u know most will be in 163s near target, you have to be 25k+.
Anyone who says different needs to fly a buff alongside in one of these raids.
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FYI: I'm not "posting mad because I was shot down" -- I was not shot down. I flew off and had a fight or two over an airfield then landed. However I still did not enjoy your 100+ plane formation (counting drones).
Filth: I know about 163s. My strat bombing mission hours before yours ran into them as well, but I made it out okay. And we were only at 19k. I know a couple of others survived the 163s, but we were a small raid (5 bomber pilots only) with few escorts. We had over half a dozen 163s on us all at one time. Same map, only on the bish front.
They are not the end all, be all of bomber killers. Lethal sure, ultimate excuse to fly at (say) 30k, no.
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Still don't know where you get 30k.
And if your not getting shot down by 163's near the HQ, your being attacked by noobs who have never flown one before. Its a regular occurance for us to get shot down en mass by these . So much so we avoid that area like a toxic waste zone. And we fly bombers pretty much exclusively.
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Just checked the film. AATalen (lead bomber and my intended target :t ) and most of the buffs were at 25k and making 234 mph. There were also a few formations of bombers at just under 28k, but none higher than that. I attacked them right as they were dropping on their first target. IIRC bombers on raids deep into Germany typically flew at 25-30k, while missions hitting closer targets, such as France, were usually several thousand feet lower. I believe historical speeds en route to target were around 150 IAS, which equates to about 225 TAS at an altitude of 25k. IMO the bombers in this mission were operating in a historical manner.
Apparent bomber altitudes can be deceiving, due to the fact that the horizon is well below the nose when flying level at high altitude. This can sometimes make co-alt targets appear to be higher than you when in fact they are the same altitude or even slightly lower.
I had no problem intercepting the buffs. I took a Ta152 up to 35k and loitered over the strats which I knew they would be attacking. Dove in at over 500mph and took down 2 B-17s and a P-51 escort.
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Originally posted by TUXC
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I had no problem intercepting the buffs. I took a Ta152 up to 35k and loitered over the strats which I knew they would be attacking. Dove in at over 500mph and took down 2 B-17s and a P-51 escort.
WTG :aok
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Originally posted by TUXC
Just checked the film. AATalen (lead bomber and my intended target :t ) and most of the buffs were at 25k and making 234 mph. There were also a few formations of bombers at just under 28k, but none higher than that. I attacked them right as they were dropping on their first target. IIRC bombers on raids deep into Germany typically flew at 25-30k, while missions hitting closer targets, such as France, were usually several thousand feet lower. I believe historical speeds en route to target were around 150 IAS, which equates to about 225 TAS at an altitude of 25k. IMO the bombers in this mission were operating in a historical manner.
Apparent bomber altitudes can be deceiving, due to the fact that the horizon is well below the nose when flying level at high altitude. This can sometimes make co-alt targets appear to be higher than you when in fact they are the same altitude or even slightly lower.
I had no problem intercepting the buffs. I took a Ta152 up to 35k and loitered over the strats which I knew they would be attacking. Dove in at over 500mph and took down 2 B-17s and a P-51 escort.
Well, the thing is, to make an accurate drop you cant be flying any faster than that because you want +/- 0 lift when you drop or it will throw off the bomb site. We generally use an SOP of 35 man full rpm which gives the relative speed you noted. And we generally use this setting in level flight to help with formations. Overlapping fields of fire is one of our only defense other than our escorts. And this game models that very well.
And generally we can always be found at 20- 25K. Historically , from talking to some who were actually there, flight opps based the bombers operating altitude to the aount and type of flack that was in the area. More ack, they were up high , less, and they were lower. This has also been documented time and time again. If they would turn the ack up to where you could just about walk on it, it would fit in some instances. The caveat to that is that it would also need to damage friendlies at that alt as well as most times enemy aircraft would not follow the bombers into it. Now that would be cool. :)
Edit- Also wanted to add a big to you and all of the other LW gruppen that show and make this that much more fun.
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We do this every Tuesday at 7PM PST
We have never heard anyone complain about wasting resources. We usually get offers from other fighter squads to escort us because we tend to tip the darbar in a sector and bring the battle to us.
They are usually very fun missions. Way to go on getting this off the ground.
Tapakeg
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The trouble is Krusty, we are talking a 30 plane raid or so. The 163 effect is relative to the size of the mission. Most times you wont see alot of them with smaller raids. Big raids, thats all you see. The guys in the buffs dont want to be shot down 5 miles from target anymore than the 110 guy wants to climb to 30k. Like I said, the 163s are a given, so if you can keep above the rest, and only have to worry about the 163s (that will be there) why not do it.
Talens mission was 25k with a another box a lil higher.
Back when I did missions in the AvA we planned them with the enemy. They liked us low, we wanted high, we comprimised at 18k or so. But we didnt have jets and rockets to deal with. And, if the guy in the 163 is 1/2 a pilot, he can be the be all end all rather quickly for the bomber pilot.
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If you're patient, you can ferry a 163 to a front-line base with a series of hot-paddings (keep it slow, skid stays on--lil tricky to maneuver onto hotpad)