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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Chilli on February 25, 2008, 03:18:54 PM
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I have been a big advocate for AvA, extending back to the time it used to be referred to as the Combat Theater. With the name change and other updates to AH2, somewhere along the line folks just stopped going there. Then, after long debating over porking, milking, and arena resets, the current arena was set into action. For about a month or so, the arena was starting to see playable numbers again.
What the :furious happened? Just when it seemed like we had a war, the focus went completely away from historical fights, and turned to blockbusting sneak attacks, trolls ( I mean spies and cheats ), lopsided planesets (directly relating to side switching and lower numbers -- if you haven't noticed).
The main reason I am posting here and not in Positive Thread, is I am sure someone will think that this is a whine (whatever :rolleyes: ). So what? I know that AvA is the best thing outside of the Scenarios that pop up once a week while I am at work. But in order to live up to that claim, changes have to occur (sorry staff -- you had it right and then :huh ).
How much is Axis paying you? (I am just being cynical) But really, P40, spit1, Hurri1 ..... which of those is actually supposed to stop the 110s, zekes, or 109s. Maybe in WW2 but AH2 has a different performance aspect (the pilot pushes planes past limits and doesn't mind dying as he will just grab another ride and do the same). With this planeset, Allies either have to have superior skills or numbers (not likely) just to survive.
Besides, the icon range is ridiculous. :mad: Don't tell me that I am actually supposed to see the dust particle in the corner of my screen and recognize it as a threat, and magically recognize plane type, speed and direction (intentions). Oh, it has been a ball (sarcasm) flying my slow allied butt for 10 minutes to find an axis player who is not bunched to his SECRET objective, just to find one 1k off my high 6, and then to find out it was 3 enemy, not 1. Change the icon range PLEASE!!!!!! If you can't find the enemy, you can't find a fight.
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Not to be silly... but have you tried CTL+F1 for increasing game visual ranges?
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In the first war i switched sides a few times during the first week when numbers were off. I rolled the Hurri1 and was owning planes left and right. Was even out turning zeros in it.
Enemy icon range is 3.0 friendly is still at 6.0. I may be the only one but I can see dots pretty far out, and can see if its an enemy just by the shape from 4-5k.
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Originally posted by Chilli
How much is Axis paying you? (I am just being cynical) But really, P40, spit1, Hurri1 ..... which of those is actually supposed to stop the 110s, zekes, or 109s.
Other than the zeke, we have a standard BoB setup. Which is, coincidentally one of the ONLY setups that the Axis can be thought to have a superior planeset. It amazes me how players who fly allied don't seem to understand that. The ENTIRE rest of the war the allies have a superior plane for every occasion (if flown with any sort of skill.) This ONE spot in time the axis were superior, and all we hear is "woa unto us".
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Yea last war we got our best bomber in the first round pick. Each week allies got a better bomber. They also got better and better jabo planes each week.
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The visual range has always been 3k/6k since the AHI days, nothing new there.
The P-40 is completely capable of handling the Axis plane set. It is a very good plane once you learn to use it. The Spit I and Hurri I are a bit weak, but the rest of the Allied set is strong past '42.
I do not agree that BoB is the only time the Axis can be said to have a better set, early '42 when they have the 109F and the 190A5 but before the P-51 shows up is another one. Any time the Japanese have the Ki-84, they have a superior ride. In general, I do agree the Axis has to work harder to get kills, but its hardly as bad as some say.
Both sides have times when the tide goes against them, when it does you just have be a big boy and suck it up.
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Originally posted by Grits
Both sides have times when the tide goes against them, when it does you just have be a big boy and suck it up.
Good Point Will try and Suck it up :aok
Crims
479th Raiders
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Thanks for all the replies. It is easy to claim the planeset is just. Especially, if you are on the other side. The complaints were loud and long on allied side and non on axis. Why would I complain with cannons, speed and agility on my side.:confused:
Actually the planes, I could do with. Even the lopsided numbers, I have flown the last 3 rounds with. The absolute last straw comes when I log on and my CO is flying for the other side. I must have missed the memo on change in command. I don't blame anyone for switching and if we took away the importance of field captures, there would be no reason for spies.
To answer the suggestion that I need to suck it up and be a big boy, I am past that. It is my decision not to support the arena any longer, without big changes being made. This was the only arena that had given me real satisfaction anticipating Combat Tour ( for some 3 plus years). I have a right to voice my opinion and whether or not you agree, I will point only to one thing. Start monitoring the number of players in the arena with any consistency. A few weeks ago the numbers ranged from 20 to 45 players. (And I mean consistently) not just once in a while .
My concern raised about the icon range, why have icons at all if we could do what TrueKill claims he can. The reason we have icons (imho) is because HTC knows that a tiny flat screen cannot duplicate what the trained human brain and eye can accomplish. Don't make me look for tiny dust specs on my screen.
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Originally posted by Larry
...I may be the only one but I can see dots pretty far out, and can see if its an enemy just by the shape from 4-5k.
Larry's probably using a 5 foot wide wall screen for a monitor. :lol
While I cannot tell the make/model/venereal number at the ranges he says he can, I can[/o] indeed tell whether it's friend or foe 90% of the time beyond 6k range, mostly through sprite and size coloring of the con. Of course the DAR maps dots helps tell too if you pop it up fast enough.
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we had two JG54 members flying allieds last night and they landed a few three plus kill sorties. actually the hurricane rules this planeset and the spit and P40 can more than hold their own if played by competent players.
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Dots at range: If it's silver it's a zeke! If it's dark, it's LW!
Chilli: The few times I've been on there has been no allied complaints over the plane choices. Any complaints are from what the enemy is doing rather than what is being flown. I.e. alt monkeying etc.
When I join I've been checking the roster as the first thing I do. The second is switching to the lower side. This has mostly been allied so far, but it has let me fly the 110c a bit too.
Any folks complaining about the planes simply aren't flying them properly, or are too used to their MA rides (p51, whatever) that they just can't wrap their brains around a lesser ride. <-- this could be wrong but that's what it sounds like.
I'm not a great pilot. I'm the first to admit it. I've still racked up 6 kills in a 110c (1 sortie) and 14 kills in a p-40b (1 5-kill sortie and 1 8-kill, 1 lone kill), and 3 kills in a hurr1 (all in one sortie, but also more no-kill sorties).
IMO the allies at least have an even playing field.
If a lackluster pilot like myself can get any decent kills whatsoever, then ANYbody can. Trust me on this.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Any folks complaining about the planes simply aren't flying them properly, or are too used to their MA rides (p51, whatever) that they just can't wrap their brains around a lesser ride. <-- this could be wrong but that's what it sounds like.
Agreed. In their favor, AH doesn't really encourage people to fly the early war planes, especially those that don't have cannon or lots of .50s.
I have noticed a considerable improvement in the way the Allies are flying the eight-gun British planes this time around, and quite a bit less complaining that the planes are inferior. Just takes some getting used to, and that's part of the fun of flying different planes.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Just takes some getting used to, and that's part of the fun of flying different planes.
- oldman
I agree, I think the problem in the beginning was that most of the LW pilots were vets who were familiar with the early war Axis aircraft, while the allies were mostly newcomers.
It's easier to blame the problem on the other guys plane than his skill level in the particular airframe.
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Originally posted by acfireguy26
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These were actual photo's of end results of deodorant tests conducted in late 2007. Unfortunately the pictures you present are of those poor souls that had to smell Kongs armpits without RightGuard sports scent.:(
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Originally posted by republic
The ENTIRE rest of the war the allies have a superior plane for every occasion (if flown with any sort of skill.) This ONE spot in time the axis were superior, and all we hear is "woa unto us".
Originally posted by republic
It's easier to blame the problem on the other guys plane than his skill level in the particular airframe.
ok:huh
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Originally posted by Chilli
The absolute last straw comes when I log on and my CO is flying for the other side. I must have missed the memo on change in command. I don't blame anyone for switching and if we took away the importance of field captures, there would be no reason for spies.
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Who exactly are you talking about?? I was CO for this war until by vote until my father suffered a heart attack, and i had to give up command to my XO Rattfink, who is also my MA XO.
If your talking about Chapel, he switched when the new war started. After every "war" a new CO is nominated and voted on by his fellow pilots.
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Edit: Deleted. Checking forums too often makes a person sour. :)
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Who exactly are you talking about?? I was CO for this war until by vote until my father suffered a heart attack, and i had to give up command to my XO Rattfink, who is also my MA XO.
If your talking about Chapel, he switched when the new war started. After every "war" a new CO is nominated and voted on by his fellow pilots.
Yes, I was talking about Chapel. No, I didn't know anything about your father's condition and I hope he is much better.
As I said in original post, I am not knocking anyone for changing sides. I changed sides to fly Allies. I logged on and was sending private messages to Chapel, asking about number of troops needed to capture a base, unaware there had been a side change. Imagine the frustration of working successfully towards capturing a base and getting shot down by the person that you were relying on for information. Again, that was not his fault. (I digress, I mainly wanted to give encouragement for your family situation :salute)
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Edit: Deleted. Checking forums too often makes a person sour. :)
True that.
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