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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: scottydawg on February 25, 2008, 08:43:27 PM
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Guys, I don't want to start a flamewar or piss on anyone's cornflakes here, but IMO the AvA is a disaster. Any semblance of civility or decent fighting is long gone, it's now a mini MA vulchfest HOdown. Now the only thing left keeping me around is FSO, and I'm not sure that's worth fifteen bucks.
Seriously, what gives? What is the purpose of the way things are in the AvA now? I really don't get it.
Flame away.
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I would check out the following thread, I think all the major points for the change were discussed...
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=225136 (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=225136)
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Dang soda that was a hella long thread. My eyes hurt.:cry
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Originally posted by soda72
I would check out the following thread, I think all the major points for the change were discussed...
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=225136 (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=225136)
I read that previously soda, thanks though.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Guys, I don't want to start a flamewar or piss on anyone's cornflakes here, but IMO the AvA is a disaster. Any semblance of civility or decent fighting is long gone, it's now a mini MA vulchfest HOdown. Now the only thing left keeping me around is FSO, and I'm not sure that's worth fifteen bucks.
Seriously, what gives? What is the purpose of the way things are in the AvA now? I really don't get it.
Flame away.
i think this AVA is great, keep up the good work hitech!! we had one guy who was Ho'ing us all the time and now he's become the object of JG-54's affections.
he'll soon learn that he doesnt want that.
We're having a great time and last night while everyone was ho'ing and vulching at 17, we marched in and took 31 and 19.
god bless their narrow, allied heads!!
If the allied side would get their act together and organize, they might actually do something.
if you dont like the ho'ing and vulching, move to a different part of the map.
if you are in and jg54 or jg11 or the avengers are in, form up with them.
the trick is to go where the little ho'tards aren't. thats why we're winning and they whining.
smile, tomorrow is another day :)
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Pff. I was getting vulched and HO'ed by JG54 like it was the new style last night. Try not to be too much of a hypocrite.
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if you are getting vulched an HOed It's your own fault
when you die in this game don't point the finger of blame instead look at what YOU did wrong to get yourself killed
if you can't understand this simple truth you will never be more than mediocre at best
now buck up and dry your tears
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Pff. I was getting vulched and HO'ed by JG54 like it was the new style last night. Try not to be too much of a hypocrite.
Ya when I vulched you (after being hoed by no less than 6 other pilots a 110 bleeding oil is like chum to sharks in there...) and saw an old name I recognized, I have to admit there was a twinge of guilt.
The AvA is different, that's for sure. I wouldn't think of even coming within base ack during the old AvA, we'd just circle inside dar range waiting for uppers. Now it's a dog eat dog world..pardon the pun. Base capture is the objective now, rather than air combat.
Don't give up on it...it took 6 weeks or...however long the last AvA war was to get to where it is now. Believe it or not, it's actually improved quite a bit.
Unfortunately I think both sides are frustrated with the way things are going, but it's difficult to 'rise above' when you feel like your the only one towing the line.
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Originally posted by republic
Ya when I vulched you (after being hoed by no less than 6 other pilots a 110 bleeding oil is like chum to sharks in there...) and saw an old name I recognized, I have to admit there was a twinge of guilt.
The AvA is different, that's for sure. I wouldn't think of even coming within base ack during the old AvA, we'd just circle inside dar range waiting for uppers. Now it's a dog eat dog world..pardon the pun. Base capture is the objective now, rather than air combat.
Don't give up on it...it took 6 weeks or...however long the last AvA war was to get to where it is now. Believe it or not, it's actually improved quite a bit.
Unfortunately I think both sides are frustrated with the way things are going, but it's difficult to 'rise above' when you feel like your the only one towing the line.
I know totally what you're saying and I'm not blaming you, in order to survive in any arena, you have to be prepared to play against the lowest common denominator. It just sucks that even the best sticks have to play the game in that way just to survive. I expect that from the MA, not from the AvA. Maybe I'll get used to it, but I'm not sure I want to, you know? I play the game for fun, and if it's not fun (meaning air-quake), I'm not going to waste my time, I've got too much other stuff going on to spend time being pissed about crappy gameplay.
As for you 1redrum, your comment is extra-super-retarded-hypocritical in the context of your sig.
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will someone please change scotty's diaper, i think he has a rash!!
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Originally posted by captain1ma
will someone please change scotty's diaper, i think he has a rash!!
Just in case you didn't get it, the 'flame away' was a joke. No need to be a dick.
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get a bottle for him too, i think he's hungry. now hes crying!
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Originally posted by captain1ma
get a bottle for him too, i think he's hungry. now hes crying!
Yawn. Your trolling skills are weak at best.
Tell me I'm ugly next, that oughta do it.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Yawn. Your trolling skills are weak at best.
Tell me I'm ugly next, that oughta do it.
scotty you are a mutt face, I don't want dog you with this fact but since you asked I thought I would heel to. scotty do you think you curb your enthusiasm for the current AvA set up? in not we will be forced to place you on a short leash.
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Now, teach your underlings how it's done.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Seriously, what gives?
What gives is that this is how it's been for years. 90% of the threads I've read in this forum for YEARS have been "these dweebs gang bang then run to ack" or "they're practically vulching! I was up but c'mon I wasn't even off the runway yet!" or "these [bleep]s are acting like total [bleep]s and really lame!"
Face it, the AvA has been this way since forever. Gang bangs, alt monkeys, timid cowards, you name it, it's been there. Whether it's good or bad I won't make a judgement, I'm just pointing out it's been there all along.
Maybe you've only just now realized this? Welcome to the revelation
(revalation, revolution? get it? Bah, never mind!)
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As always Krusty attempts to save us all with his piety. If only we would heed the words of the Krusty.
Hallowed is the Krusty.
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:huh
???
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Originally posted by Krusty
What gives is that this is how it's been for years. 90% of the threads I've read in this forum for YEARS have been "these dweebs gang bang then run to ack" or "they're practically vulching! I was up but c'mon I wasn't even off the runway yet!" or "these [bleep]s are acting like total [bleep]s and really lame!"
Face it, the AvA has been this way since forever. Gang bangs, alt monkeys, timid cowards, you name it, it's been there. Whether it's good or bad I won't make a judgement, I'm just pointing out it's been there all along.
Maybe you've only just now realized this? Welcome to the revelation
(revalation, revolution? get it? Bah, never mind!)
Uh, what? Sorry man, but (at least from when I joined this particular game in Feb 2006) until about 4 months ago, the AvA was a much different place than it is now. I suppose I do need to remind you that I've been playing WWII flight combat sims for over ten years, so I just might know what I'm talking about. The 'air-quake' mentality that has been so prevalent in the MA's (and I'm not even complaining about the MA's; they is what they is) has finally gobbled up the AvA.
First there was an unwritten code of conduct in the AvA.... then it got bad enough that it had to actually be written and put in the MOTD. That didn't work so now it's gone and it's a MA-style free-for-all now.
I guess you can say now, 'at least there are more players in there', but that's like having a bunch of homeless bums in your restaurant and saying 'at least people are coming in'!
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Trust me, I've been popping in and out of the AvA for many years.
Your "unwritten rules" are bullsquat. Nobody ever followed them. EVER. No matter when I've played, even way back when it was fun (in the "good old days") those rules were just wishful thinking on the part of a select few.
Here's the problem with the AvA: The folks attached to it (like yerself, and myself long long ago) look at it with rose colored glasses.
It is NOT just the past 4 months, because I've barely flown in that time frame. It's been this way for a LOOOOOOONG time. I see an interesting plane setup and pop in, only to find total cherry picking, alt monkeying, gang raping, field hording (as close as can be done without ack interfering) and the like.
There are many reasons you may not have taken notice of this, but for simplicity's sake let's just chalk it up to being carried away in the moment and not paying attention.
I reiterate: This is not a new development!
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
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So, Fork, should I just mark this response down as "The AvA staff doesn't give a flying fark what you think, so screw off"?
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Originally posted by republic
Hallowed is the Krusty.
In reference to goofy but beloved sci-fi.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
So, Fork, should I just mark this response down as "The AvA staff doesn't give a flying fark what you think, so screw off"?
I would vote a yes on that for now. A new majority has taken over the schoolyard.
btw...where in the hell is Jennifer Aniston when I click??
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Originally posted by captain1ma
we had one guy who was Ho'ing us all the time and now he's become the object of JG-54's affections.
he'll soon learn that he doesnt want that.
:rofl
Oh TATERNUTZ Hopefully, I'll up tonight without interruption, so I can continue to Yank your Lederhosen.
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Originally posted by WWM
I would vote a yes on that for now. A new majority has taken over the schoolyard.
btw...where in the hell is Jennifer Aniston when I click??
PWNED!
OK I get it.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
So, Fork, should I just mark this response down as "The AvA staff doesn't give a flying fark what you think, so screw off"?
Scotty - I'm curious - why so hostile? Your comment does not represent this issue which has already been discussed several times. Don't be baited by the troll-fighters.
Three points:
1. 10-15 players per night (if we were lucky) was not working and is not sustainable in the long-term for the AvA.
2. Past game setups were used close to 6 years. The adage goes, change is good donkey[/b][/u]. Try something new.
3. This design is to create an arena that has objectives and tactics similar to tasked-based gameplay - which strange enough is the game model of the upcoming Combat Theatre.
Few can see the forest for the trees and cry foul when we make attempts what we see as improvements to this arena. As volunteers, we use our own time to try and give the AvA community an enjoyable place to hang out and fly. Sometimes the AvA volunteers are going to make decisions that may ruffle a few feathers... but change rarely comes easy.
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Sorry, Senor Fork. Guess the trolls did get me a little worked up.
Anyway, I'll lay off. After all, I am just one opinion and it's apparent that I am in the minority.
Even if I disagree with where the AvA is going, I still want to give you guys props for volunteering your time and effort into it.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
After all, I am just one opinion and it's apparent that I am in the minority.
I agree with you d0gma. I got tired of the MA and now AvA is the mini MA.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Guys, I don't want to start a flamewar or piss on anyone's cornflakes here, but IMO the AvA is a disaster. Any semblance of civility or decent fighting is long gone, it's now a mini MA vulchfest HOdown. Now the only thing left keeping me around is FSO, and I'm not sure that's worth fifteen bucks.
Seriously, what gives? What is the purpose of the way things are in the AvA now? I really don't get it.
Flame away.
The purpose was to bring in more people at any cost. Why? Not sure, but they were successful :aok
Maybe being the CEO of a company with 40 employees is not good nuff. Maybe the CEO wanted to run a company with 150 people. If you ask me, the reasons were personal and had nothing to do with what is good for the AvA or promoting historical fights
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I dunno, maybe I did have too much of a knee jerk reaction. I'll give it some time and see if I can find something I like about it.
How do I coordinate with others in the fight, is there a private forum or anything, like for the squad ops?
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Well, I guess I have rosed colored glasses myself.......
Eagler, Redd, Dedalos, N7, Big Max, Gremlin, Octavious, Wotan, Shane, Duke, Oldman, Grits, etc etc.must of all had them rose colored glasses on too.......
things have changed, and it has been quiet recent verses very long ago, no it has not always been like it is now and or how it was a few other times before now......
yes there was a mythical "unwritten rules or code of ethics".that all the players above mentioned respected and respected and showed curteosy to each other.
it has been posted before that numbers isn't everything.......and yes it is a shining example of a quake minded player base mini MA.......
and this is why I have not upped for anything in resemblence to playing this flight sim / game except for a select few KOTH tournaments or a possible FSO or Scenario, if I am able to make any of them. the rest is pure romper room kiddie BS......
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Can anyone honestly say the AvA is a MINI-MA? In what way? Gameplay? What gameplay? Do you mean the individual actions of some pilots? That has nothing to do with the big picture of the AvA. You'll always have people doing actions that are similar to that of the MA. And because base capture tactics and defences are the same - to a point. But that is where the similarities end.
Three big picture differences:
1. AvA atmosphere: historical maps, squad based action, historical aircraft for the time period and side. Axis vs Allies is the theme of our arena. Furthermore, players have been asked to sign up for each side. Who are you? An Allied or Axis pilot? Got what it takes to earn an award or medal?
2. Objective based gameplay: there are actual objectives to win a war.
3. Force Commanders: each side has an individual commanders and XO's to meet their objectives by planning attacks on airfield though different missions and squadrons. If you think this is not happening, you all need carefully watch how the Axis and Allied forces have been coordinating their efforts. The scary piece: it's not that much different that what happened in real life during WWII.
All add up to make the current War an fun and interesting arena to fly.
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I still enjoy the AvA, if only for the simple fact that usually my plane was designed to shoot down every plane I shoot down. The eccentricities of the LW aircraft make sense when your fighting allied craft.
No one can say that the war is peaches and creme. It has it's moments, but they have been few and far between. I think a good reason for that is lack of real squad participation. The LW has JG54, JG11, JG3, and the Avengers. Great squads with combined tactics and a good comraderie among the pilots.
The allies, as far as I have seen, have a more loner approach. There are the Tomcatters, and the 68 fellers but...really don't see much in the way of a coordinated effort.
It encourages the use of dweeby tactics to survive, is unfun, and generally makes it boring for them and boring for us.
It might be interesting to spice things up with events that take the focus away from toolshedding. Like Monday is mossie vs 110g2 day, Tuesday P51D vs 109-K4 day, etc. A couple days a week where the focus can be on AvA oldschool air to air matchups.
Some sort of method to increase GV usage would be nice. Maybe one day of deathray ack.
All of this, unfortunately, calls for lots of staff time investment. Staff who I'm sure who are already pulled in enough directions.
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Originally posted by republic
The allies, as far as I have seen, have a more loner approach. There are the Tomcatters, and the 68 fellers but...really don't see much in the way of a coordinated effort.
This Past week or two I have found this to be Very True. As for someone who Has not signed up for a side I have only flown as Allie. Maybe if I signed up I would be able to get more info on whats going on.
Crims
479th Raiders
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Originally posted by republic
The allies, as far as I have seen, have a more loner approach. There are the Tomcatters, and the 68 fellers but...really don't see much in the way of a coordinated effort.
What about thier great attack of A8?:lol