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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: K-KEN on February 26, 2008, 01:18:15 PM
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This should most likely be in the "Wishlist" forum, but it's not getting the attention there, like here. Yes, many have asked about it (night), but I have tried to search, a short while, for an idea to spice it up a bit. So here is my suggestion, for all to see and comment. If ya don't like night, don't comment. This is NOT a troll.
Add a "Night Arena". Make it a separate arena like the Early and Mid arenas, Titanic Tuesday, just to see if it catches some folks. It "should" have the Late arena setup, only night time. Can it be all night?...50% night??
Or maybe rotate at the same rate as our MA, only when the sun goes down, it stays down for 6 hours or some such. I am not certain how the MA runs, time wise, now. Is sunrise to sunset 12 hours??? or 8 or 6???
Sorry if I stepped on toes even bringing it up, but I can't help think that there is a great deal of folks who would fly there on a regular basis. Especially if its a good mix of "really dark" and then the "dawn/dusk" hours.
I don't usually ask a lot here, but night is one of my pet peeves. A New Late Night Arena might make my experience more complete! (and hopefully others) Don't even have to add any planes, trains, or stuff. Flip a switch!! Night Night!!
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While people can crank up gamma there will be no night.
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I would say that as long as its a dedicated arena go ahead and give it a shot. I doubt HTC will waste their time on this but you never know.
I know that last christmas they had a dark arena for santa clause thing and it was no fun to fight in.
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If they added night fighters and all of the associated capabilities, I'd be all for it. Having an hour or two of night in CT would be pretty cool in this situation.
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Originally posted by Solar10
While people can crank up gamma there will be no night.
Not sure that isn't any different that folks turning down graphics in GV battles. I don't do it, I like the element of surprise. Sucks to be me lots of times too! :D Hopefully, either the arena setting may be able to fix that or we just deal with it and hope those folks' monitors go up in smoke!! :O
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Use it; it helps
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screw night bring back TRINITY
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Originally posted by Yeager
I would say that as long as its a dedicated arena go ahead and give it a shot. I doubt HTC will waste their time on this but you never know.
I know that last christmas they had a dark arena for santa clause thing and it was no fun to fight in.
I enjoyed it Christmas Eve, as many of the Rooks also commented as well as folks on channel 200. I got a couple of kills in it, landed too, but that isn't always the case at night. I know you remember back then, it was "different".
I did ask that folks not comment if they don't like the night, I guess you saw that part.
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Originally posted by K-KEN
I enjoyed it Christmas Eve, as many of the Rooks also commented as well as folks on channel 200. I got a couple of kills in it, landed too, but that isn't always the case at night. I know you remember back then, it was "different".
I did ask that folks not comment if they don't like the night, I guess you saw that part.
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many of the people that commented on it on 200 this last year was also the ones that whined about the night time flying in the first place and was part of the reason we lost night time flying
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What Stang said + icons that fade in and out at 2K or so.
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Originally posted by K-KEN
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and this part should be in your sig. click user CP at the top of your screen and you will find a place for sigs there :aok
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Originally posted by kilz
many of the people that commented on it on 200 this last year was also the ones that whined about the night time flying in the first place and was part of the reason we lost night time flying
BZZZT! Wrong!
The reason HTC took away night time (one of the BEST moves this game has ever seen*) was because 90% + of all players logged off as soon as the game arena sun went down.
That's from Hitech's own words.
A few vocal minorities keep calling for it, but every time I ask somebody WHY the only answers that come up include:
- sneaking up on targets unseen
- bombing targets unseen
- doing something without being seen
- trying to find somebody to kill that doesn't know you're there.
- Capture bases under surprise NOE raids that can't be seen
FYI: All of these are an attempt to AVOID all fights if possible. The idea seems to be the folks that want "night time" back don't want to engage any enemy unless they're unaware and flying level.
You can do that crap offline, IMO.
* Night was bad, but the 30 mins+ of DAWN/DUSK was worse! Not dark enough to log, too dark to get anything done. It totally screwed with your monitor.
P.S. NO, I don't screw with my monitor gamma. I leave it set for the best color quality in daytime situations
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I enjoyed Christmas eve and having "true" night. I would like to "see" more darkness... Maybe have a 'change-up" where there is night and day in real time on one random arena, once a week.
My 2 cents
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Originally posted by Krusty
BZZZT! Wrong!
The reason HTC took away night time (one of the BEST moves this game has ever seen*) was because 90% + of all players logged off as soon as the game arena sun went down.
That's from Hitech's own words.
A few vocal minorities keep calling for it, but every time I ask somebody WHY the only answers that come up include:
- sneaking up on targets unseen
- bombing targets unseen
- doing something without being seen
- trying to find somebody to kill that doesn't know you're there.
- Capture bases under surprise NOE raids that can't be seen
FYI: All of these are an attempt to AVOID all fights if possible. The idea seems to be the folks that want "night time" back don't want to engage any enemy unless they're unaware and flying level.
You can do that crap offline, IMO.
* Night was bad, but the 30 mins+ of DAWN/DUSK was worse! Not dark enough to log, too dark to get anything done. It totally screwed with your monitor.
P.S. NO, I don't screw with my monitor gamma. I leave it set for the best color quality in daytime situations
You've won me over Krusty... good arguments all
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Originally posted by Bosco123
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I did...used "night" "night time" "night arena" and "night and arena" and got hundreds of posts talking about Wed Night Snapshots and such. Actually spent some time in many looking for the right ideas. No one mentioned a New Arena.
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Originally posted by kilz
many of the people that commented on it on 200 this last year was also the ones that whined about the night time flying in the first place and was part of the reason we lost night time flying
Actually, you are incorrect. They liked it. (but there are a few who do not, I give you that much.)
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I suggested awhile back a North Africa map, however HTC said they wouldnt ever use a sand color map reason being lack of spacial orientation. makes it hard for pilots to fly over sand for any extended amount of time. I for one think that if people want EASY go fly X-box or PS2 games this is a WW2 flight sim game. doesnt say WW2 fly over easy terrain sim.I say make pilots work for it . However trying not to get off topic I would welcome a night arena i look forward to flying every christmas during the night flights but they never last long enough.
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We acually did have a night arena, and people didn't like it, so the got rid of it. I personally would like it, but there are a few people that would not like it and thats why we do not have it.
Not to be mean or anything, move this to the Wishlist Forum next time:D
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Originally posted by MajIssue
I enjoyed Christmas eve and having "true" night. I would like to "see" more darkness... Maybe have a 'change-up" where there is night and day in real time on one random arena, once a week.
My 2 cents
Thanks for your comment, but doing it in a MA is not going to happen. I wouldn't ask for it to happen either. That is why it should be given a home of it's own. Let the whiners be gone.
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That's twice people have said "a few people don't like night time"
Let me correct that.
"The vast majority of all players don't like night time"
You are correct in saying "a few like night time" though.
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What next.... heavy blizzard and skis :D
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Originally posted by Bosco123
We acually did have a night arena, and people didn't like it, so the got rid of it. I personally would like it, but there are a few people that would not like it and thats why we do not have it.
Not to be mean or anything, move this to the Wishlist Forum next time:D
Sorry, we have never had a "Night Arena" only night time, and then it was a short period of time, sometimes during peak hours and that is why it was dropped. The whiners had their voices heard. I respect the decision then, and I only ask for a trial period now. Create a new place, I bet GV battles will emerge, certainly buff raids, and we are missing out on a dynamic part of this SIM that makes it a cut above, IMO.
I do not know you, so I can't say how long you have been here in AH, but there is a good history here. Reread my original post, it's a totally different arena, like Early or Mid War. When you log on, you chose where/what arena you go into. I am asking that the menu include a Night arena for the folks that want it. I don't go into the early war, I don't go to the DA arenas, but they exist. Put one there on the list, and the rest of folks who don't like it...buh bye-don't select it. Leave, we don't need you.
Hit the MA, go to AvA..... Night flyers will do it and have a great time, doing whatever...in the dark! :)
(sorry, groping for sheep came to mind) :eek:
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Originally posted by Krusty
BZZZT! Wrong!
The reason HTC took away night time (one of the BEST moves this game has ever seen*) was because 90% + of all players logged off as soon as the game arena sun went down.
That's from Hitech's own words.
A few vocal minorities keep calling for it, but every time I ask somebody WHY the only answers that come up include:
- sneaking up on targets unseen
- bombing targets unseen
- doing something without being seen
- trying to find somebody to kill that doesn't know you're there.
- Capture bases under surprise NOE raids that can't be seen
FYI: All of these are an attempt to AVOID all fights if possible. The idea seems to be the folks that want "night time" back don't want to engage any enemy unless they're unaware and flying level.
You can do that crap offline, IMO.
* Night was bad, but the 30 mins+ of DAWN/DUSK was worse! Not dark enough to log, too dark to get anything done. It totally screwed with your monitor.
P.S. NO, I don't screw with my monitor gamma. I leave it set for the best color quality in daytime situations
I disagree with you partly, as I have just as much fun getting killed at night as I do in daylight. DAR still works, bases still are visable, some cockpits even look good at night. (one of the P38's, I recall). I don't avoid fights at night any more than I would if I see an enemy 6K out. If I am heavy, I am heading to my target to pork strats or whatever, if I am light, and can see my way to engage, then it's on!! Oh and by the way, I still pay the same as I have for 9 years to play here. Same as you, if you still pay. I resent the "play offline" comment. Find something else to cry about. This won't affect you, unless you click on "....Night Arena...."
You apparently don't like night, so please refrain from posting to this message. You have a right to, but I would like to see if we can get a few good ideas, not more of the same old whines. :(
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Originally posted by smokey23
I suggested awhile back a North Africa map, however HTC said they wouldnt ever use a sand color map reason being lack of spacial orientation. makes it hard for pilots to fly over sand for any extended amount of time. I for one think that if people want EASY go fly X-box or PS2 games this is a WW2 flight sim game. doesnt say WW2 fly over easy terrain sim.I say make pilots work for it . However trying not to get off topic I would welcome a night arena i look forward to flying every christmas during the night flights but they never last long enough.
Thanks for the comment, as spacial orientation at night can be an issue too! :) (especially if it develops into a stall or spin!!!) :O
But it's a good one, tests yer metal now and then.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
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Originally posted by K-KEN
I have tried to search, a short while, for an idea to spice it up a bit.
:rolleyes:
Use your eyes to READ, it helps.
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I can remember my early LTAR days in AH I, there was nothing more gratifying than seeing 20 ostis lighting up the night ski :D can only imagine what it looked like from the pilot's point of view.
That being said, the total black out conditions of AH I, IMHO, should be left on the shelf. You couldn't see your targets, dog fighting was.....shall we say......interesting. Look at 200 now....how many times do you see "ace pilot"...."Ramming Hoe", etc, etc, etc. Nighttime just adds fuel to the fire.......you couldn't see your NME until you were on top of them.
A dedicated arena wouldn't be bad if it were made to be semi-dark. But then again with the ability to control "Gamma"...........what's the point?
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Originally posted by SpikesX
:rolleyes:
Use your eyes to READ, it helps.
Let me know when ya get to the reply to that one....
Maybe you might "read farther first...."
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Originally posted by Krusty
BZZZT! Wrong!
The reason HTC took away night time (one of the BEST moves this game has ever seen*) was because 90% + of all players logged off as soon as the game arena sun went down. Did i say it was the only reason NO i did say part of the reason. i know you remember all the crys about night time flying. HTC will put it the best way he needs to, to not affend anyone, or lose more customers.
That's from Hitech's own words.
A few vocal minorities keep calling for it, but every time I ask somebody WHY the only answers that come up include:
- sneaking up on targets unseen
- bombing targets unseen
- doing something without being seen
- trying to find somebody to kill that doesn't know you're there.
- Capture bases under surprise NOE raids that can't be seenmaybe you should go back and read some more threads, you are leaving out all the good ones and using the dumb ones to your advantage.
FYI: All of these are an attempt to AVOID all fights if possible. The idea seems to be the folks that want "night time" back don't want to engage any enemy unless they're unaware and flying level.
You can do that crap offline, IMO.
I don’t know who you’re trying to speak for but you’re totally wrong. I love night time flying IE dog fighting, it brings a whole new meaning to instruments. OMG HIGH ALT BOMBING IS A BLAST AT NIGHT. Not to mention the cool films and screenshots you can get from it. I will give you credit on one thing if the moon is not set to the right brightness it does suck, but with the moon brightness set correctly its kicks arse. To tell someone they can do it offline is kind of like acting like a Mod, I understand you been here for a very long time bro but no offence but that’s not your spot to say so. That’s like me telling you to go to offline to shoot down planes!!! Not cool.
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Originally posted by SWrokit
I can remember my early LTAR days in AH I, there was nothing more gratifying than seeing 20 ostis lighting up the night ski :D can only imagine what it looked like from the pilot's point of view.
That being said, the total black out conditions of AH I, IMHO, should be left on the shelf. You couldn't see your targets, dog fighting was.....shall we say......interesting. Look at 200 now....how many times do you see "ace pilot"...."Ramming Hoe", etc, etc, etc. Nighttime just adds fuel to the fire.......you couldn't see your NME until you were on top of them.
A dedicated arena wouldn't be bad if it were made to be semi-dark. But then again with the ability to control "Gamma"...........what's the point?
thats just it rokit with the abilities that HTC has now Night Time flying would be totaly diffrent then it was in AHI
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But then again with the ability to control "Gamma"...........what's the point?
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the ability to adjust gamma is not the same.
adjusting gamma in the arena now to make it dark means it just gets the pitch black it use to be, but with HTC making it dark they have the ability to make certain graphics look better then just setting gamma.
yes you can just adjust gamma to be day time again but it is a happy medium.
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Originally posted by SWrokit
But then again with the ability to control "Gamma"...........what's the point?
Then we go back to "scaling back graphics" to fight GVs... we gonna stop GVs or planes or whatever because they turn down their graphics?? Same thing, basically.
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LOL...............seems yall missed the point of My Opinion......& I'll not nibble at the bait any longer. :)
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Originally posted by SWrokit
LOL...............seems yall missed the point of My Opinion......& I'll not nibble at the bait any longer. :)
I am sorry if I missed your point. I am not trolling. You mentioned many reasons why we can't do it. ace pilots etc, can't see targets, it should be shelved.... please say specifically why it will work.
This is NOT AH1
Your opinion is important, but if it is negative, then this will not have an effect on your gameplay if you choose not to enter the "Night Arena", will it??
You recalled the cool parts of Osties lighting up the night...that is a valid point, and one I can grasp. Seeing it from a pilots point of view is awesome, to say the least. I'd like to share that with many of my other friends here too. This is AH2. We have multiple arenas, some are barely even used, as I see it. Will it hurt HTC to create one more arena for night time players?
In no way would I ask for this to impact anyones ability to choose what they want to do or where they do it. You no likie night, then take it to another arena! There are many to choose from. This one is "special", kinda like my old school bus :)
(sorry, thought I'd add a little teaser..a movie I made ..offline, at night)
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I agree K-KEN if it is a seperate arena then those that dont like night flying dont have to clik into it thats what "free will" is noones holding a gun to their head they can go elseware but these folks bashing youre idea is juvenile youre idea is fine and something i agree HTC should look into. HTC can just dissable the graphics scaleing in the night arena and those with Vid cards that cant handle it can stay in the MA or any other arena.
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Well, you could use the EW for this. Hardly anyone there and those that are there are mostly milkers lookin' for points without a fight. Adding night probably wouldn't change much. :)
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Originally posted by Yeager
I would say that as long as its a dedicated arena go ahead and give it a shot. I doubt HTC will waste their time on this but you never know.
I know that last christmas they had a dark arena for santa clause thing and it was no fun to fight in.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!?! THE NIGHT LAST CHRISTMAS WAS FREAKING AWESOME!!! :furious
Oh and i really really would like to see night in AHII, i only saw it once ever last christmas because the first year i started playing, i missed christmas on AHII.... So bring it back, it would be really really fun. I know i keep asking for the Donut map but it would be the best example of a furballing arena at night. Not to mention all the GV bases around Fighter lake.
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Originally posted by smokey23
I agree K-KEN if it is a seperate arena then those that dont like night flying dont have to clik into it thats what "free will" is noones holding a gun to their head they can go elseware but these folks bashing youre idea is juvenile youre idea is fine and something i agree HTC should look into. HTC can just dissable the graphics scaleing in the night arena and those with Vid cards that cant handle it can stay in the MA or any other arena.
Thank you Smokey, I appreciate your support here. If people want to mess with their gamma, so-be-it. Maybe HiTech puts a "message of the day" up that states: "If ya change yer gamma settings and smoke yer monitor it's on you" or some such. Frankly, most folks won't change their settings, IMO.
I do, however, kill the house lights in the room to get the overall night effect...then it lights itself up nicely. :) Just need a small lamp to see me keyboard! hehhe
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Well, you could use the EW for this. Hardly anyone there and those that are there are mostly milkers lookin' for points without a fight. Adding night probably wouldn't change much. :)
Thanks for the input NoBaddy,
Like I have stated, I wouldn't want to change any existing arena setting. This needs to be a completly new arena. Let them milk run or what ever, it's what they pay for too. They wanna join in the night fights, then katie bar the doors!! It's on!
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LOL :rofl I do the same thig i use a little 40 watt bulb in a desklamp just to light keyboard the rest of the room is dark i dig it that way
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Originally posted by angelsandair
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!?! THE NIGHT LAST CHRISTMAS WAS FREAKING AWESOME!!! :furious
Oh and i really really would like to see night in AHII, i only saw it once ever last christmas because the first year i started playing, i missed christmas on AHII.... So bring it back, it would be really really fun. I know i keep asking for the Donut map but it would be the best example of a furballing arena at night. Not to mention all the GV bases around Fighter lake.
Right on Brother! Sing it!! :O
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Oh well....may as well take hook line and sinker :D
Ken there was no mention of why HTC "Can't" do it. As a matter of fact the last sentence of my post specifically stated "A dedicated arena wouldn't be bad......".
I also implied what the whines are now, regarding rams, and forecast with a Night Time arena the cry babies will grow ten fold (again). Hell why do you think we lost it to begin with, the cry babies and their soiled diapers.
I understand there are GV'ers that game the game by turning their graphics down......some because their rigs just won't handle the graphics, some because they game the game. Why should HTC go through the trouble of creating an arena where most players will defeat the night time by adjusting their Gamma settings, thus turning it back into day? They did it then (hell I did it then), they'll do it in the future.
Hence my comment "What's the point". I'm all for a "Semi-night" arena. However, until there's a way to eliminate the Gamma Adjustment................Wha t's the point".
(removes hook from lip)
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Originally posted by SWrokit
Oh well....may as well take hook line and sinker :D
Ken there was no mention of why HTC "Can't" do it. As a matter of fact the last sentence of my post specifically stated "A dedicated arena wouldn't be bad......".
I also implied what the whines are now, regarding rams, and forecast with a Night Time arena the cry babies will grow ten fold (again). Hell why do you think we lost it to begin with, the cry babies and their soiled diapers.
I understand there are GV'ers that game the game by turning their graphics down......some because their rigs just won't handle the graphics, some because they game the game. Why should HTC go through the trouble of creating an arena where most players will defeat the night time by adjusting their Gamma settings, thus turning it back into day? They did it then (hell I did it then), they'll do it in the future.
Hence my comment "What's the point". I'm all for a "Semi-night" arena. However, until there's a way to eliminate the Gamma Adjustment................Wha t's the point".
(removes hook from lip)
You make your point well. Yet, they do not have to click on that arena. I was not fishing either, thank you for letting me reply to you. Maybe there is no way for HTC to fix the gamma in the arena settings, nor would I ask HTC to go to a lot of unnecessary trouble over a few who want to "game the game". This is kinda like having a new terrain or new plane, its just a small change, for change sake, and to give back a feature and benefit of Aces High that was lost for a time.
When we went to multiple arenas, it really pissed off a ton of folks. Many returned, I say many, but I don't really know for sure. Just like if I say many folks like the night. Depends on who you ask. I won't try to put a number on it, but I feel it will get more exposure than EW or MW. In the long run, it's a game, it's eye candy, it's not just another SIM.
As long as it doesn't infringe on others gameplay or take away from their experience in other arenas, then this is doable. If they come into the "Night Time Arena", then they can immerse themselves in it or leave, and they will have nothing to whine about. They have the choice.....and the power to decide their fate.
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What i do not understand, is why HTC will not simply make a night time server, that works the opposite with its time, as our mains do now.
we get light, dusk,dawn .repeat.
hey should get dark,dusk,dawn .repeat.
Scratch that itch everyone loves so much.Dont like night time? dont join the night server.
Is it 3Am in the morning, feal like a night flight or early morning flight? join the midnight arena. Also think about how many night time squads operated in wwII, willing to bet the boys/girls of aceshigh would have fun making new night time squads.
The biggest gripe people have, is cheaters turning the gamma/brightness up, that can be fixed by making all models the (far range dot)we see, untill you get say 1.0k away or closer, then it changes to a model you can see/shoot.
To stop people from exsploiting even that, make no icons untill 1-2k out.
1:All planes no icons untill 1-2k
2:All planes are long range dots untill at 900m or closer.
Do that and it doesnt matter how bright there game is, they still wont be able to hit or even judge range of target.
Problem's solved.
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and my point, is to make it so even* if they come into the night thinking they will get easy kills, they will be dead wrong.
and will probably end up simply seeing there long, boring (is that dot realy 3 miles out or 3k off my wing?) they will figure may as well go with the flow, and set it back to darkness.
(shrugs)
People cry about others wallhacking in some 3d shooter games, my advice is if possible, take down the walls and no one has any gripe left.
Point:make the night so cumbersome even if they can see cheat, the only thing they will notice is the ground, everything else will be a (blind mans) inviroment.
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The night time arena would be fun hands down. Agreed, they don't want it, click on another arena. I'm from the old school, Ken sounds like you are too.....enjoy some good ole fashion night time flying..........use it for what it's worth and the settings it was ment to be played.
Unfortunately, the arena will be invaded by those with less than honorable intentions.........Noobs, Milk Runners, and Score potatos. While we're enjoying the natural invironment of night flight and operations, others will look at it as "Easy Money". Ruining it for others to the point you Have To reset your Gamma, just to survive. Lose - Lose situation.
You find a way for HTC to remove "Gaming the Game" options........and I'll be the first to jump on the band wagon with you.
Salute
Rokit
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I don't see the harm in playing with some night settings in one of the MA's one night a week to get a feel for how it works under the new engine.
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Originally posted by K-KEN
Thanks for the input NoBaddy,
Like I have stated, I wouldn't want to change any existing arena setting. This needs to be a completly new arena. Let them milk run or what ever, it's what they pay for too. They wanna join in the night fights, then katie bar the doors!! It's on!
Hey, thanks for not being offended by the sarcasm. :)
My point is still valid. If there was a market for it, HT would do it. (G'luck...even if this was to bring night back to the MA's...I wouldn't affect me. I would just do what I did in the past, go watch TV for 45 minutes. :))
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I don't see the harm in playing with some night settings in one of the MA's one night a week to get a feel for how it works under the new engine.
Well Rabbid,
That is not where this should go. It is not an option to "force" this on anyone. We need to offer them an option, like they already have with EW, MW and LW arenas. Titanic Tuersday may be such a test, but is that arena getting the needed results? I can't answer that with any certainty. It is basically one arena, like we had in the past, where the sides can be lopsided, but at least it is large enough that the hordes can't reset it.
Having a seperate arena, with it's own settings and plane sets and all would be the best option. Could it replace TT? No. That would affect everyone, no matter if it was an hour. HTC could add an arena, set it up and then basically forget it. It wouldn't change radically, except for terrains and the usual stuff they do now to the MAs.
Thanks for your thoughts though, we just need to NOT make it required of "anyone".
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Hey, thanks for not being offended by the sarcasm. :)
My point is still valid. If there was a market for it, HT would do it. (G'luck...even if this was to bring night back to the MA's...I wouldn't affect me. I would just do what I did in the past, go watch TV for 45 minutes. :))
I am not smart enough to be offended! :) Adding a new arena would allow you to fly as you usually do, whenever you want and you can save the TV on TIVO :) This should not take away from any other arena...none.
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Ummmm...
Just to point out...
Very few aircraft, percentage wise, flew at night in WW2. (Read..no spits, la7's, 51's, N1K's... or pretty much any other single engine fighter of the war.)
As well,
In retrospect, very few AH'rs flew at night when we had it. It was said before that 90% would log off when night came...(not good for business) Those that did fly at night... just did it to sneak around and take bases they couldn't take before... (BS)
Don't bother with night... most really need to learn how to fly during the day anyway.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
What next.... heavy blizzard and skis :D
Why not? :)
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Ummmm...
Just to point out...
Very few aircraft, percentage wise, flew at night in WW2. (Read..no spits, la7's, 51's, N1K's... or pretty much any other single engine fighter of the war.)
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Don't bother with night...
For once, I agree with Moray37.
Maybe a light northern hemisphere type dip in visibility (not the full dawn/dusk type thang Krusty mentioned earlier) would be nice just for kicks.
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very few Lancaster and B-24 or any other bombers divebombed Ground vehicles and cv's that doesnt stop them from doing it anyway in this game , Night would be a good option for those of us that like night flying and the inherent difficulty in shooting down other aircraft at night. KEN makes a good point that noone would be forced into anything and if pilots didnt want to fly at night they can go have there furballs in the MA's LW or EW
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>IMO<
A existing community will have home for most.
A functioning community will have a home for everyone.
A thriving community will have inhabitants who allow others to have theirs too.
I think all parts of realism should be available somewhere, even if not all in one place.
An arena that rotates through daily environment settings could throw a bone to everyone at least one day a week. Like every Tuesday have 4-6 hour day-night cycles. A really bad weather day, A no perks needed day, a no dweebs allowed day etc... Leaving the rest of the arenas as they are. If you don't want day\night cycles in your arena, but still have a hankerin to have it back now and then,... you know that you can do it every Tuesday and get that monkey off your back. I think it would pacify many and also save on Kleenex productions. However the fact that some will death grip a persona that refuses to be pleased can get in the way of progress, now and then.
But then I'm a distant reborn newbie too. I could be missing a LOT Please use soft mallets. Last time I flew trees were flat, I crashed a lot, and some meanies shot me down, laughed at me, and called me poopy-butt,... more then once! It,.. it was horrifying and I think it emotionally damaged me. My machine just wasn't fast enough to dazzle them with my pure brilliance. So I stumbled and crawled into the sunset to heal. I could have died ya know.
I finally have a machine that will pull the train . And I want you all to know right now. I have compiled over the years away my all time favorite oldie-moldy aimless rants, blame shifting theatrics, and self-serving excuses all pre-canned, ready, and waiting. As soon as the scars are healed and I start winning in off-line mode I'll be in here looking for yall. Targeting yus whiners first.
In case some of you forgot, let me remind you,... it's all about >"ME"<.
Seriously, Me thinks an arena that rotates environments or realisms would give something to everyone every now and then without tampering with the norm.
It may or may not be my #1 choice, but I would like the *option* to fly a day\night cycle (online) once in while.
Animl (of the IknownotwhatIsay tribe)
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Originally posted by Wolfskin
Why not? :)
U mean there's no one that can remember the rain squalls. OMG, u'd be flying the next thing u know your in the middle of a rain storm, no vis :D
As an LTAR, the gv battles at night were great.........u could hear, but couldn't see (black out){until it was too late :D }.
Like I said earlier, total black out the way it was, no I'm not much for. But even if that ment the moon was up all the time, giving a little light :aok Pizza map at night was the bomb :D (AH I days)
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
What i do not understand, is why HTC will not simply make a night time server, that works the opposite with its time, as our mains do now.
we get light, dusk,dawn .repeat.
hey should get dark,dusk,dawn .repeat.
Scratch that itch everyone loves so much.Dont like night time? dont join the night server.
Is it 3Am in the morning, feal like a night flight or early morning flight? join the midnight arena. Also think about how many night time squads operated in wwII, willing to bet the boys/girls of aceshigh would have fun making new night time squads.
The biggest gripe people have, is cheaters turning the gamma/brightness up, that can be fixed by making all models the (far range dot)we see, untill you get say 1.0k away or closer, then it changes to a model you can see/shoot.
To stop people from exsploiting even that, make no icons untill 1-2k out.
1:All planes no icons untill 1-2k
2:All planes are long range dots untill at 900m or closer.
Do that and it doesnt matter how bright there game is, they still wont be able to hit or even judge range of target.
Problem's solved.
Things wouldn't work if the no-icons till 2k out was implied. These whiners would just use that as an excuse to get rid of it. And if they brighten their gamma, so what. The people that do that are probably the ones who are completely against it (most). Now here is what i would do:
1. Make all icons visable at 6k like normal.
2. Make them slightly harder to see until 1000m away.
3. Honestly, during night at Christmas, i could see fine, i think leaving things normal like during christmas would be good too.
4. Put up an arena message saying "If you turn up your gamma to 'cheat', then dont play this arena"
5. No matter what, people will be doing it and people will be whining about it.
My opinion.
~1pLUs44
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it could be an add on like the AvA arena :D HTC would just have to get some folks to help take care of it.
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When we had night time before, tons of people logged off when the night time came. I was one of them. I don't think it was 90% that logged, but the numbers that did were very significant. I probably wouldn't have hated the night quite as much if it didn't happen during prime time every single night. I still wouldn't have liked it, just wouldn't have hated it quite as much.
Many of those that stayed on, stayed on simply to grab as many bases as they could while the night-haters were off watching tv or doing household chores or whatever.
People will turn up their gamma to defeat the night effects. Heck, I turn mine up to defeat the dawn/dusk effects. I simply can't see well enough during dawn/dusk to hit my targets unless I turn up the gamma to 1.3. So yes, I despise dawn/dusk as well. :D
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One of the things that worsened the night "problem" was that AH time skips dusk through dawn as well as was running at 1:1 pace, which made AH time out of sync with real time; which made it unpredictable unless you had good memory and could do operations in your head very easily - to find out whether it was night in the MA without logging in to see for sure.
And even if you knew whether it was night time, it meant that you had a not negligible chance that AH night time coincided with your free time to play the game.
Now that we have two LW arenas, it could be possible to enable night in one or both arenas, so arranged that there was the least chance possible for any player to find night in both arenas, whether at the same time or one after the other. So the best arrangement would probably be to have both arenas rigged to always be 12 hours apart.
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Originally posted by SWrokit
U mean there's no one that can remember the rain squalls. OMG, u'd be flying the next thing u know your in the middle of a rain storm, no vis :D
As an LTAR, the gv battles at night were great.........u could hear, but couldn't see (black out){until it was too late :D }.
Like I said earlier, total black out the way it was, no I'm not much for. But even if that ment the moon was up all the time, giving a little light :aok Pizza map at night was the bomb :D (AH I days)
I have seen mentions of weather before, rain, snow, etc. I think this may be a nifty idea, great for de-acking fields too i bet!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=621_1204098192
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Ummmm...
Just to point out...
Very few aircraft, percentage wise, flew at night in WW2. (Read..no spits, la7's, 51's, N1K's... or pretty much any other single engine fighter of the war.)
As well,
In retrospect, very few AH'rs flew at night when we had it. It was said before that 90% would log off when night came...(not good for business) Those that did fly at night... just did it to sneak around and take bases they couldn't take before... (BS)
Don't bother with night... most really need to learn how to fly during the day anyway.
Sorry you feel so negative, but you know what....? My proposal allows to to do "your thing" and allows me and the night people to do "our thing". Would you play if all you could fly was say, a C202? Sorry, it's 4PM, Tuesday or anytime or day, and all ya get is a C202. Not everyone would log off, actually, you would think most would stay. But then there are the avid Buff drivers, GV'ers that would pitch a fit and whine and cry, like they do now about the ENY.
All I am saying, make it another Arena selection on the list...a unique arena.
Then if ya don't like it...don't log into it! You still have all of your options available and you can do "your" thing. Just let me and others like me have that choice too.
I am going to quote someone that made a very profound statement, IMO
"I think the clashes in any sim are the arcade types against the realism types. The difference between a gamer and a simmer and the mindset that goes with it. IMO the simmer being the more mature of the two."
That pretty much draws the line in the sand, don't you agree? You a gamer or a simmer? Nevermind, if you adjust your gamma....gamer.
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
>IMO<
A existing community will have home for most.
A functioning community will have a home for everyone.
A thriving community will have inhabitants who allow others to have theirs too.
I think all parts of realism should be available somewhere, even if not all in one place.
An arena that rotates through daily environment settings could throw a bone to everyone at least one day a week. Like every Tuesday have 4-6 hour day-night cycles. A really bad weather day, A no perks needed day, a no dweebs allowed day etc... Leaving the rest of the arenas as they are. If you don't want day\night cycles in your arena, but still have a hankerin to have it back now and then,... you know that you can do it every Tuesday and get that monkey off your back. I think it would pacify many and also save on Kleenex productions. However the fact that some will death grip a persona that refuses to be pleased can get in the way of progress, now and then.
But then I'm a distant reborn newbie too. I could be missing a LOT Please use soft mallets. Last time I flew trees were flat, I crashed a lot, and some meanies shot me down, laughed at me, and called me poopy-butt,... more then once! It,.. it was horrifying and I think it emotionally damaged me. My machine just wasn't fast enough to dazzle them with my pure brilliance. So I stumbled and crawled into the sunset to heal. I could have died ya know.
I finally have a machine that will pull the train . And I want you all to know right now. I have compiled over the years away my all time favorite oldie-moldy aimless rants, blame shifting theatrics, and self-serving excuses all pre-canned, ready, and waiting. As soon as the scars are healed and I start winning in off-line mode I'll be in here looking for yall. Targeting yus whiners first.
In case some of you forgot, let me remind you,... it's all about >"ME"<.
Seriously, Me thinks an arena that rotates environments or realisms would give something to everyone every now and then without tampering with the norm.
It may or may not be my #1 choice, but I would like the *option* to fly a day\night cycle (online) once in while.
Animl (of the IknownotwhatIsay tribe)
uhhh well said.... :)
Good take on this idea. It could also be an arena to use for testing and such, well maybe, as I think the folks would be more open-minded about change. (speaking for >ME< ) That can be a double-edged sword though.
Hope to see you touching down on a runway soon!
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Originally posted by moot
One of the things that worsened the night "problem" was that AH time skips dusk through dawn as well as was running at 1:1 pace, which made AH time out of sync with real time; which made it unpredictable unless you had good memory and could do operations in your head very easily - to find out whether it was night in the MA without logging in to see for sure.
And even if you knew whether it was night time, it meant that you had a not negligible chance that AH night time coincided with your free time to play the game.
Now that we have two LW arenas, it could be possible to enable night in one or both arenas, so arranged that there was the least chance possible for any player to find night in both arenas, whether at the same time or one after the other. So the best arrangement would probably be to have both arenas rigged to always be 12 hours apart.
While I like that idea, I still think we don't need to be restrictive in the current arena setup. Most Squad nights for us Cutthroats, there are 2 or 3 Late War Arenas. Since we start at 10PM EST, the first arena is usually closed and the second is usually filling fast. Having them 12 hours apart would cause pain in the scheme of things, IMO, and would give the nay-sayers fuel. I do not want them to have a voice or something to even complain about, if they don't like it, they shouldn't log in...and therefore, they have a "usual" place to go do their thing.
For Scenario players, it was kinda cool in Pearl (I think it was Pearl), years ago, sitting on the Japanese CV at night..........then taking off just before dawn. Might have been Okinawa?? I was on TBM dooty then. Still, launching off a cv at night....nuttin' like it! :)
Thanks for your ideas.
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One thing I am uncertain about is how a new arena is "created". Is it part of a server farm-a server dedicated to just that arena? Is it a share on a server farm, or server, set with load balancing and all?
Other questions too, if this was considered, how much effort would it take for stats? (If it was a "Late" Arena, then those stats would just filter thru like on the multiple "Late" arenas) May not be an issue. I don't think there needs to be "Night Stats". Basically, just keeping it simple.
I know HTC has someone monitoring these threads and would like to know what would be required. Maybe it would be cost prohibitive. I would like to know, even if it was a PM.
Decided to EDIT here....adding a visual that might help convince folks what I am asking for.
(http://www.kkenshome.com/arenalist.jpg)
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Originally posted by K-KEN
(http://www.kkenshome.com/arenalist.jpg)
I think your "199/200" in the graphic is a tad over optimistic. :D Realistically, I doubt the numbers for such an arena would be as good as those of MW currently.
A new arena really isn't that tough to add.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
I think your "199/200" in the graphic is a tad over optimistic. :D Realistically, I doubt the numbers for such an arena would be as good as those of MW currently.
A new arena really isn't that tough to add.
I didn't want anyone to "think" it would completely fill up the first time! :)
Glad you saw that. :lol
FYI, I emailed HTC with that image and a brief explanation of this idea. It's not the normal "bring back the night" idea. I think I have a new slant that would be doable and would have no effect on the players who don't like it.
On the plus side, if HTC added the new arena, it would most likely shut us Night Time folks up for a while...maybe a long while! :aok
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I hear the AvA is all about realism and history. How about they make it night there at night, for 8 hours? Both real and historical, no?
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Originally posted by dedalos
I hear the AvA is all about realism and history. How about they make it night there at night, for 8 hours? Both real and historical, no?
Well, good idea but it's the same issue as the MA or other arenas. Don't want to infringe on anyones space or time to fly. Also, I think that arena is usually moderated by someone because they use specific plane sets, settings and all. It has to be set up for each event, like a mini scenario.
I haven't flown there in a while, but it is "close" to the kinda of setup this would need.
This must be a stand-alone entity to make it work. Once set, then it would just be a normal maintenance issue.
Thanks for the idea. You are on the right track, IMO :aok
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Originally posted by Solar10
While people can crank up gamma there will be no night.
Exactly, people use to whine long and hard about night time when it was around. Can't see why HT would re-introduce it in any form.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Exactly, people use to whine long and hard about night time when it was around. Can't see why HT would re-introduce it in any form.
...-Gixer
I am impressed...you read all the way to the 2nd post .... the first reply, and made your decision. :rolleyes:
I guess you really haven't the time to read a few others. That's cool. Looks like Hillary might lose too. Hate it for you. ;)
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Originally posted by SWrokit
Oh well....may as well take hook line and sinker :D
Ken there was no mention of why HTC "Can't" do it. As a matter of fact the last sentence of my post specifically stated "A dedicated arena wouldn't be bad......".
I also implied what the whines are now, regarding rams, and forecast with a Night Time arena the cry babies will grow ten fold (again). Hell why do you think we lost it to begin with, the cry babies and their soiled diapers.
I understand there are GV'ers that game the game by turning their graphics down......some because their rigs just won't handle the graphics, some because they game the game. Why should HTC go through the trouble of creating an arena where most players will defeat the night time by adjusting their Gamma settings, thus turning it back into day? They did it then (hell I did it then), they'll do it in the future.
Hence my comment "What's the point". I'm all for a "Semi-night" arena. However, until there's a way to eliminate the Gamma Adjustment................Wha t's the point".
(removes hook from lip)
I dont understand your logic. Because some people will game the game, then better to have no game at all? What you are saying is not true only for a night arena, but GV battles, and any other arena. We have people spoiling game play in the MA as it is. HOs, bomb and parachute, spies, etc. You will always have people behaving in a less than honorable way, but that is true for everything in life. You just hope there will be enough good people around you to make it worthwhile. I would love to have a Night Arena. I can choose whether to play there or not, and deal with the "consequences".
Thanks for bringing this topic to this forum K-KEN.
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OK.. I'll say it. It's a stupid idea and it didn't work the first time. It won't work this time, past the first day when everyone checks it out.. then logs off and flies another arena.
Score potatos want night so they can go about butt banging every base in the closet, and have zero chance of getting caught.
As well... single engine fighters did not fly at night. (Only one, the 190 A6/R11 was tried for nightfighting, only on moonlit nights, and suffered horribly to operational losses not resulting from combat.)
Only twin engine or higher, specially modified planes even FLEW at night, let alone performed any combat, in ww2.
As for bad weather flying... NOTHING flew in bad weather in WW2. Why do you think the germans attacked when they did at the Battle of the Bulge (1944).....THE WEATHER PREVENTED ANY AIR OPS, COMBAT OR RESUPPLY.
Please feel free to read up and form opinions and wishes based in fact.
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Originally posted by K-KEN
I am impressed...you read all the way to the 2nd post .... the first reply, and made your decision. :rolleyes:
I guess you really haven't the time to read a few others. That's cool. Looks like Hillary might lose too. Hate it for you. ;)
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Actually I read all of them and replied to that one. And this is such a dead horse of a subject but like Subs it seems to come up every few months.
Hillary whats that got to do with the price of fish?
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by MORAY37
OK.. I'll say it. It's a stupid idea and it didn't work the first time. It won't work this time, past the first day when everyone checks it out.. then logs off and flies another arena.
Score potatos want night so they can go about butt banging every base in the closet, and have zero chance of getting caught.
As well... single engine fighters did not fly at night. (Only one, the 190 A6/R11 was tried for nightfighting, only on moonlit nights, and suffered horribly to operational losses not resulting from combat.)
Only twin engine or higher, specially modified planes even FLEW at night, let alone performed any combat, in ww2.
As for bad weather flying... NOTHING flew in bad weather in WW2. Why do you think the germans attacked when they did at the Battle of the Bulge (1944).....THE WEATHER PREVENTED ANY AIR OPS, COMBAT OR RESUPPLY.
Please feel free to read up and form opinions and wishes based in fact.
There is nothing here for you to see...keep moving.
You repeat the same negative feelings, .... noted. You don't "have" to log into this arena. PLEASE. You will just go away with a bad taste in your mouth. Stay in the arenas you are talking about and prevent those horrible score potatos from playing while you are at it. Apparently it is making you "uncomfortable" playing there as well. I don't want to be the one to tell them the score potato police are looking at their every move, and that your $15 is more important than theirs.
I give you credit for having some knowledge of historical events in WWII. It doesn't mean that no one flew at night. Bombers did...I believe there was a Mossie that had radar that chased down bombers at night too. Ground vehicles operated 24/7 as did PT boats, carriers, and ......
That said, I asked for the new arena first. Get your own post and ask for whatever it is that you think we need for you. I may even support your idea.
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Originally posted by Gixer
Actually I read all of them and replied to that one. And this is such a dead horse of a subject but like Subs it seems to come up every few months.
Hillary whats that got to do with the price of fish?
...-Gixer
Then I apologize for thinking you stopped there. Seemed so.
Night time is an old topic, a NEW ARENA supporting it is not. It will not affect anyone in the other arenas, it will be it's own entity. A dedicated Arena, like Special Events, or AvA. If you came here to be negative, just leave it alone.
We know your opinion and you will not have to fly there. The other arenas will remain as is. Intact, no change. Post all you like, on some other topic.
If you want to make a constructive post or idea, then have at it.
You can post all you want here, I just think it doesn't do the cause any justice. Your mindset is not very open to others and change. This is a new idea on an old subject, that was a part of this SIM long ago. I don't need to explain it, you read all the posts.
Thanks for your opinion. I just don't need it here.
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Actually, IIRC, some Bf109 flew at night over Berlin. Don't need radar to take out a lanc in a searchlight.
Anywho, way back when, when there was night, I did not know about gamma settings. It went pitch black: I could not see a damn thing. Nothing, col. hogan, Nothing!
So yeah, I logged off.
Now on Christmas eve, We have a night. And now...for some reason, it's really kewl. By visibilty is reduced somewhat...But I'm not blind.Never adjusted my gamma....but I could see! Did they change the coding for night?
Honestly,I don't see it coming back. Two sides here. I hate it, it sucks/ I like it I think it will work. What will it add to the game, really?
If more aircraft that are night capable are introduced....? Who wants to be my (*yawn*) radar operator?
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Originally posted by Emu
I dont understand your logic. Because some people will game the game, then better to have no game at all? What you are saying is not true only for a night arena, but GV battles, and any other arena. We have people spoiling game play in the MA as it is. HOs, bomb and parachute, spies, etc. You will always have people behaving in a less than honorable way, but that is true for everything in life. You just hope there will be enough good people around you to make it worthwhile. I would love to have a Night Arena. I can choose whether to play there or not, and deal with the "consequences".
Thanks for bringing this topic to this forum K-KEN.
Thank YOU for supporting the idea. I think we have rokit on our side, sort of, so he has explained his post there and it's cool.
There is so much negativity here, it makes me wonder what I said that makes people think it's the same request to have night in "their arena" as the many before this did promote. I guess they read into it what they want to and have to be negative ... just to be negative. Sad :(
I'd appreciate it if folks would pass this on to their squaddies and friends, and for those who like the idea, to hit this post. If they don't like it, then they need not reply. I'll add the image one more time since it's a new page.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
Use it; it helps
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You've whined enough 200 the last two nights. Sit in the back of the class, like you have been.
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K-Ken,
Most of the aircraft we have weren't used in a night capacity. Furthermore, the best night actions like those that took place over Germany during the night bombing campaign included aircraft with radars and guns adapted to night fighting, as well as ground searchlights, etc. We have none of these aids in this game.
While I have nothing inherently against having an additional 'night time' arena, I fail to really see the point in using HTC's resources to create one. I realize that this seems like a great idea to you, but, again, I can't see how much this really adds to the game to make it worthwhile. What I do think it would do is dillute the arenas we have to some extent, but actually, I doubt it would even do that. Creating an inability to fight wouldn't attract many folks except those seeking to pad their score, or the truly dedicated night folks like yourself.
If and/or when HTC adds something to the game where night fighting would add a real new dimension, not simply provide a way to dogfight without being able to see, or bomb without being engaged, I am all for it. Until then I think a dedicated arena is a waste of time and resources. And, in fact, if we're looking to make dogfighting harder I'd just assume add some significant weather to the arena which is probably a more significant loss than night.
I have no dog in this hunt and it makes absolutely zero difference to me if HTC added another arena. More options are always welcome. But if creating such an arena is going to eat resources from something else, then I'd prefer to keep the settings as they are.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
OK.. I'll say it. It's a stupid idea and it didn't work the first time. It won't work this time, past the first day when everyone checks it out.. then logs off and flies another arena.
Score potatos want night so they can go about butt banging every base in the closet, and have zero chance of getting caught.
As well... single engine fighters did not fly at night. (Only one, the 190 A6/R11 was tried for nightfighting, only on moonlit nights, and suffered horribly to operational losses not resulting from combat.)
Only twin engine or higher, specially modified planes even FLEW at night, let alone performed any combat, in ww2.
As for bad weather flying... NOTHING flew in bad weather in WW2. Why do you think the germans attacked when they did at the Battle of the Bulge (1944).....THE WEATHER PREVENTED ANY AIR OPS, COMBAT OR RESUPPLY.
Please feel free to read up and form opinions and wishes based in fact.
While bad weather was happening, the troops gathered at base and made plans, soon as the weather broke they executed those plans with more vigar then just constantly re-upping. Bad weather is a great time for "regrouping".
Night time has the same issue. And if you think nothing ever happened at night, not even being a historian I am going to say you're wrong. Not much happened at night would be more correct. Many bombs dropped at night.
4 hour rotations could make planning and executing raids VERY interesting since on the 3 hour everyone will be launching raids and defenses all at once. Almost scenario like. You are more likely to find the simmer in this situation.
These breaks in the action not only regroups the troops but the game\sim\war as well. All of which happened in RL.
Just because some don't like it, doesn't mean others don't nor does it define that others should not have that option.
No one is talking about forcing it down people's throats, or porking an arena with it, so I don't understand the negative input other then fear and paranoia. :) Calm down, you have what you want, let others have what they want without taking from you. I refer to my first 3 statements of my 1st reply. :)
A revolving enviroment arena could show-case options whined out of the game and almost forgotten and never experienced by the newbie, but still play a role in RL and a sim, rather then a game. You don't think one night a week won't draw players? 5 nights a week you will not have many, but if some want just that one night a week in different arena it will be more full then you think.
The MA will still be there with an aimless flock of seaguls, which I call practice. :)
No offense intended,.. just sayin.
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Im with FT_animal theres noone forceing this idea down anyone throat its a great idea and for those that just want to do the same old thing day after day furball after furball you'll still have youre late an mid arenas why not let those of us that want to fly night missions and fight at night do so. Why do you act so threatened by this idea theres nothing in this post that impedes on youre ability to perk horde or work on keeping youre rank up in hopes to get a place on HTC homepage (woopie doo) cause we dont care about that we just want somethin new if those that think this is a bad idea or and i quote" STUPID" idea then stay in youre furball arenas and fight the sun all you want but get off us the ones that want an alternative experience when we play.
KEEP UP THE FIGHT K-KEN im with ya brother
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Originally posted by smokey23
.............and i quote" STUPID" idea.....................
KEEP UP THE FIGHT K-KEN im with ya brother
I don't think it's stupid. I do think that the odds of it happening are very poor. I also know that it generally takes more than "this would be cool!" or "this is what everyone wants!" to get HT's attention. Heck, as long as you're not peein' in my pool....what do I care!! :)
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Originally posted by SWrokit
I can remember my early LTAR days in AH I, there was nothing more gratifying than seeing 20 ostis lighting up the night ski :D can only imagine what it looked like from the pilot's point of view.
That being said, the total black out conditions of AH I, IMHO, should be left on the shelf. You couldn't see your targets, dog fighting was.....shall we say......interesting. Look at 200 now....how many times do you see "ace pilot"...."Ramming Hoe", etc, etc, etc. Nighttime just adds fuel to the fire.......you couldn't see your NME until you were on top of them.
A dedicated arena wouldn't be bad if it were made to be semi-dark. But then again with the ability to control "Gamma"...........what's the point?
I think what was missing was Search Lights from the equation. That alone could put a whole new swing on night time and team work. Unless I am missing something it sounds like a very important element that was missing when I was flying there.
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Originally posted by toonces3
K-Ken,
Most of the aircraft we have weren't used in a night capacity. Furthermore, the best night actions like those that took place over Germany during the night bombing campaign included aircraft with radars and guns adapted to night fighting, as well as ground searchlights, etc. We have none of these aids in this game.
While I have nothing inherently against having an additional 'night time' arena, I fail to really see the point in using HTC's resources to create one. I realize that this seems like a great idea to you, but, again, I can't see how much this really adds to the game to make it worthwhile. What I do think it would do is dillute the arenas we have to some extent, but actually, I doubt it would even do that. Creating an inability to fight wouldn't attract many folks except those seeking to pad their score, or the truly dedicated night folks like yourself.
If and/or when HTC adds something to the game where night fighting would add a real new dimension, not simply provide a way to dogfight without being able to see, or bomb without being engaged, I am all for it. Until then I think a dedicated arena is a waste of time and resources. And, in fact, if we're looking to make dogfighting harder I'd just assume add some significant weather to the arena which is probably a more significant loss than night.
I have no dog in this hunt and it makes absolutely zero difference to me if HTC added another arena. More options are always welcome. But if creating such an arena is going to eat resources from something else, then I'd prefer to keep the settings as they are.
You make very good points. Yet, this is still a SIM. It has night time already designed within it, it works, there is nothing to do but turn it on or off. The new arena will not take any resourses away from gameplay. Weather, OTOH, does cause some video issues for folks with marginal cards. Night time is about the only thing that can make sense to me, and as far as a plane set, (I didn't say it here) who knows what the future will bring to AH.
Remember, and I know you are neutral here, a lot of folks like to buff and GV more than fly jabo or milk runs. Fighter sweeps are fun, so are carrier ops, and HQ missions. The buff drivers and GV and CV, PT boats, LVTs and all will have a better experience, IMO, if they have a night option and place to do it. I not only speak for myself, but a silent minority and an undetermined nuber of vocal people want the night in some form or fashion.
The only possible option, that will please the masses, is a seperate arena.
That is the only way it can happen and be accepted by the community. Even then folks will still whine and cry, but I do not for the life of me understand why. If it is affecting their arena, then I agree. It's like people who don't like smokers. If someone is smoking in their home flying, it doesn't effect me a bit. If I am sitting next to them, in their arena, then yes I would be bothered. Same thing.
I doubt that the number of people will increase flying in AH, I would hope this would actually stimulate membership, but if not, the best thing it might do is to spread them around and keep the load lighter in the MA. That is the primary reason for splitting up the Arenas from 1 big one to 4. EW, MW and LW.
Thank you for posting and being civil in what you have said. I respect that in you.
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
While bad weather was happening, the troops gathered at base and made plans, soon as the weather broke they executed those plans with more vigar then just constantly re-upping. Bad weather is a great time for "regrouping".
Night time has the same issue. And if you think nothing ever happened at night, not even being a historian I am going to say you're wrong. Not much happened at night would be more correct. Many bombs dropped at night.
4 hour rotations could make planning and executing raids VERY interesting since on the 3 hour everyone will be launching raids and defenses all at once. Almost scenario like. You are more likely to find the simmer in this situation.
These breaks in the action not only regroups the troops but the game\sim\war as well. All of which happened in RL.
Just because some don't like it, doesn't mean others don't nor does it define that others should not have that option.
No one is talking about forcing it down people's throats, or porking an arena with it, so I don't understand the negative input other then fear and paranoia. :) Calm down, you have what you want, let others have what they want without taking from you. I refer to my first 3 statements of my 1st reply. :)
A revolving enviroment arena could show-case options whined out of the game and almost forgotten and never experienced by the newbie, but still play a role in RL and a sim, rather then a game. You don't think one night a week won't draw players? 5 nights a week you will not have many, but if some want just that one night a week in different arena it will be more full then you think.
The MA will still be there with an aimless flock of seaguls, which I call practice. :)
No offense intended,.. just sayin.
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Originally posted by toonces3
K-Ken,
Most of the aircraft we have weren't used in a night capacity. Furthermore, the best night actions like those that took place over Germany during the night bombing campaign included aircraft with radars and guns adapted to night fighting, as well as ground searchlights, etc. We have none of these aids in this game.
While I have nothing inherently against having an additional 'night time' arena, I fail to really see the point in using HTC's resources to create one. I realize that this seems like a great idea to you, but, again, I can't see how much this really adds to the game to make it worthwhile. What I do think it would do is dillute the arenas we have to some extent, but actually, I doubt it would even do that. Creating an inability to fight wouldn't attract many folks except those seeking to pad their score, or the truly dedicated night folks like yourself.
If and/or when HTC adds something to the game where night fighting would add a real new dimension, not simply provide a way to dogfight without being able to see, or bomb without being engaged, I am all for it. Until then I think a dedicated arena is a waste of time and resources. And, in fact, if we're looking to make dogfighting harder I'd just assume add some significant weather to the arena which is probably a more significant loss than night.
I have no dog in this hunt and it makes absolutely zero difference to me if HTC added another arena. More options are always welcome. But if creating such an arena is going to eat resources from something else, then I'd prefer to keep the settings as they are.
err, dude, on christmas, we all did regular dogfighting tactics using regular planes. I used 109s, spits, n1ks, hurri2cs, 190s all on christmas. I landed 5 kills in 1 of em and in all of the others, i landed 2 kills or had 3 kills and died. Its great dogfighting. No other way to open up your senses to be the fittest to survive. Using your tactics to beat the other guy. What is more awesome than that?? probably only sex and beer :D
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Originally posted by angelsandair
What is more awesome than that?? probably only sex and beer :D
I am not taking THAT poll :) hehehehe Thanks for the feedback.
I had a thought, maybe to get more of a feel for this, remember the polls recently that popped up for us to vote on what new plane we would get?
Maybe put up a poll asking: (I am not sure I like this wording though)
Question: This is about night time in Aces High II
"Would you like to see a "New Arena for Night Operations" and would you utilize it??"
Answer:
Yes [] I would use it and I want to see it happen
No [] No, but as long as it didn't effect me it's cool
No Opinion [] I care less either way
My concern, here, at this moment is that we are not reaching the players guild (community) as many do not necessarily post here. Some folks don't fly daily, maybe even weekly. Some weeks I fly 2 hours for squad night only. Recently, I have been at home and have had more time and opportunity, so I have been hitting it hard.
Let's face facts, even I won't fly the Night Time arena 100%. But if there is a special event, or if I want to blow stuff up at night, then I would have that opportunity and it doesn't require anyone else to give up their fun times.
Before the H2H was closed, I vaguely recall Night could be set up there...and those folks flew for free and basically did not financially support HTC/Aces High. Well, I do, and will sing their praises for the last 9 years I have been associated with it.
I would love to see it used as a marketing tool as well.
I fly Pacific Fighters, IL2, and it has night time operations built into the different preset OPs. (offline) I have never flown it online so I have no experience as to whether they have night or not. One more marketing tool, another "bone" to throw out there would bring in more folks. Mouse flying really burned my fanny, because this was pandering to "gamers" IMO.
But, we have to endure the pain of growth, like it or leave it.
All I want is to have an opportunity for me and many others, new and old, to enjoy more of the features and benefits with this great SIM and community.
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Well said KEN im with ya it can be used as a marketing tool, and like you said many times in youre replies to others it wouldnt infringe on anyones gameplay being a seperate arena all to itself.
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Originally posted by Krusty
That's twice people have said "a few people don't like night time"
Let me correct that.
"The vast majority of all players don't like night time"
You are correct in saying "a few like night time" though.
Me bets the vast majority also doesn't fly in scenarios either. Yet the arenas exist.
I think it's been mentioned more then once, if someone doesn't like it they are not obligated to enter it.
So is it safe to say that people who don't want it will protest to not giving it to people who do?
Best way I can put it is the MA will still exist for the narrow minded.
The more you give everyone something the less whiners you'll have in your arena.
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
The more you give everyone something the less whiners you'll have in your arena.
WRONG!!!!! This is Whiner's High...the whines never stop!!! :D
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Actually, I bet there are people who just go around on the forums to whine. But 90% of the people who I fly with (bishies, knits in DA) want a nighttime arena. If they dont feel like night time fighting, go to the other MA arenas. Those people opposed to it shouldnt whine. It's another use for their 15$ a month. Its a whole new arena, not adding nighttime to an arena. I cant belive my little squeaker mouth is saying this but whiners, look at what you are saying. Are you just trying to add to the buzz kill of not having nighttime by saying that a great idea is stupid?? I mean, come on, i bet alot more people would like to see it, you just think things should'nt change, it's always the same people too. Everyone complained about the P-39Q and D saying it was a horrible fighter when the #2 allied ace of WW2 flew one only to be beaten out by a La dweeb. And even now, those same people dont want it. The squeakers are the people who whine about every single post that is a good idea. :furious
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
WRONG!!!!! This is Whiner's High...the whines never stop!!! :D
Ya, you prolly have a point there. Sorry I was trying to think logically, my bad. ;)
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Originally posted by angelsandair
Actually, I bet there are people who just go around on the forums to whine. But 90% of the people who I fly with (bishies, knits in DA) want a nighttime arena. If they dont feel like night time fighting, go to the other MA arenas. Those people opposed to it shouldnt whine. It's another use for their 15$ a month. Its a whole new arena, not adding nighttime to an arena. I cant belive my little squeaker mouth is saying this but whiners, look at what you are saying. .....
Yes Sir! You have my attention. Can you ask a few of them to post here too? The more "positive" feedback on this proposal may make it more inevitable that the powers-to-be, HTC, Dale (HiTech), Pyro, Roy and others,
take a hard look at this new design option.
As another positive here, those nights where the first LW is closed, that *may* not happen as often. (I said maybe) The Night arena may tip the balance a little.
Those of you in a squad know that if you log in and your squad is in that first "closed" arena, the whole group may have to pull up stakes - because a member or 3 is late - and maybe they were right in the middle of the best thing going for them...only to have to leave and go to the arena that is not full. That changes the dynamics for that arena, as well as the one they are heading to, and then causes the squad to regroup and start all over from scratch. All their effort and planning has gone to blazes. That wouldn't be fun either.
Thanks again for your post and support, angelsandair.
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Well, I want the oppurtunity that almost everyone that I know on the game never had. In fact I want that oppurtunity to fight more on a Night Arena. Me and my squadies had only seen night for maybe the 2nd time at the most ever on christmas eve. Not to mention all of the newer players coming in.
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For those who repel the idea, or those who have negative input about something that will not effect them directly,...please keep in mind...
You just don't happen to be a part of that target audience. :)
Or, take time and think about it and maybe come up with an idea that could make it more acceptable to you too. What would make it more inviting to you? Do something others may not be willing to do, be creative.
The worse that can come from it is that you help fellow players keep interest in the game by helping them in achieving their goals too. Wouldn't it be great if your squadie didn't leave of boredom because he had the option to get his ya yas out on something extra on Tuesday night, maybe something he thinks is missing from the norm?
The idea of the "idea" is to give more reasons for more people to play-n-stay usually including one's self. Ideas are like business cards, if you get a 10% return you're doing really good. It's not so much that an idea works or not, but that they keep coming to give more to choose from for that possible 10% that will work.
Yes the core of the idea is night flying, but it has a twist from the norm, or put a twist in it.
I'm certainly NOT the guy with all the answers. But it seems to me if you keep trying to fix the same problem the same way, with the same attitude, getting the same results, it's time to try something different.
My swing on it is,..I think search lights would improve night big time for me, it would also force\promote team-work to a degree.
I'm not as much for the 24/7 night time idea as I am for an arena that will showcase it at least once a week. One (or two) day a week will condense the small crowd of 7 days into a fuller arena by only giving them one day to do it. The same with those who like weather on other days. People who don't like it simply won;t be there, they will be in their favorite arena, or event.
To just say "it'll never work..." is making sure it won't. Which could be true, depending on what angle you choose to see it from.
IMO, never discourage someone who's coming up with ideas, they only need that ONE of a hundred that works.
IMO, this idea is worthy of thought.
I will invoice you all for my unsolicited advise,.. err umm,.. comments.
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by all means have an "experimentation" arena to try out new ideas.
BUT most players fight in the LW Arenas and putting night in there would be commercial suicide.
Having say 20 guys in a night arena will not only be hard finding them but when you do, struggle to see them!
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If night is so popular why is it the same 3 people posting/campaigning for it.
Where is all the support if " only a few don't like night". Thats is a lie, a massive exaggeration at the best.
I couldn't give a damn if there was a seperate arena for it, myself. But to say it is wanted by the majority of players is simply not true
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I have no trouble with a separate arena for "night". If the propergander is true then the LW arenas would have only half the population they have now and the hordes would be that much smaller!
I think those that want the night are fooling themselve into thinking there are "so many" who want night back, but like I said, it doesn't effect me. I think it will be more like the EW and MW arenas in numbers, and half of those will be milkers.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
by all means have an "experimentation" arena to try out new ideas.
BUT most players fight in the LW Arenas and putting night in there would be commercial suicide.
Having say 20 guys in a night arena will not only be hard finding them but when you do, struggle to see them!
AS I mentioned, all current arenas are not effected. No experimental arena... an arena dedicated to night time strategies and game play.
Nowhere did I ask for it to be "in" any other arena. That is not what this is about. HTC has an experimental space where "they" do testing etc.... CT might be considered that, since it is BETA in concept. Players are testing that too. Night was already tested. It was not popular to "force" it on others, and I agree with that. A new arena will not force anyone to take a look or be a part of it's experience. Look at EW, MW, AvA. Even the DA is under utilized, yet it exists.
You would be surprised that DAR still works, you will see the enemy-just maybe a little closer...might require you to retune your SA! That is not a bad thing.
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
For those who repel the idea, or those who have negative input about something that will not effect them directly,...please keep in mind...
You just don't happen to be a part of that target audience. :)
My swing on it is,..I think search lights would improve night big time for me, it would also force\promote team-work to a degree.
I'm not as much for the 24/7 night time idea as I am for an arena that will showcase it at least once a week. One (or two) day a week will condense the small crowd of 7 days into a fuller arena by only giving them one day to do it. The same with those who like weather on other days. People who don't like it simply won;t be there, they will be in their favorite arena, or event.
To just say "it'll never work..." is making sure it won't. Which could be true, depending on what angle you choose to see it from.
IMO, never discourage someone who's coming up with ideas, they only need that ONE of a hundred that works.
IMO, this idea is worthy of thought.
I will invoice you all for my unsolicited advise,.. err umm,.. comments.
My friend, I am going to make a few comments on your assessment:
(I disagree here)
By NOT having a 7 day arena, then we deny players that option. I am not talking exclusively for the US folks, as there are many other countries involved here. Our community is world wide, many time zones apart.
We can't put a "time limit" on it then turn it off just when that once a week pielet logs on. Everyone should have the opportunity, 24/7/365 to play there, or not, by their choice. They can choose the MA or EW or MW, AvA DA, TA and even the rotating Special Events arenas.
Why does FSO get mixed results? "Time" Wed Night Snapshot..."Time"
Team Racing... you got it..."Time". The DGS Scenario had a lot of folks wanting to be a part but because of "Time" they cannot play. If squad night is always Saturday, then Tuesday is not accomadating for my squad or someone elses. (or me or someone that is partnered up if that's the only day "wife ack" is silenced, or the only day to dedicate to me..)
I do not want search lights, or any new plane sets to be even considered, until the night arena option is valid, and in due time, HTC sees it's way to develop new "craft" or features. One step at a time please. I am not asking for a major development to begin. They have CT for that and some really neat new things coming as pictured on the home page.
HTC is a few dedicated folks, and I mean a few, who put forth great effort and determination to bring this thing (Aces High) to us daily. They have far exceeded my expectations in development, fixes, and customer service.
It's been a bumpy road for them and there have been "days" that I am sure they need a break! I know I would. Let's not push them to add anything that is not already a done deal or currently in the works.
But I DO appreciate your support, ideas and comments.
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Originally posted by thrila
If night is so popular why is it the same 3 people posting/campaigning for it.
Where is all the support if " only a few don't like night". Thats is a lie, a massive exaggeration at the best.
I couldn't give a damn if there was a seperate arena for it, myself. But to say it is wanted by the majority of players is simply not true
Do you think it might be because of all the negativity? I think many have read this idea as the same as all the others. Yes, Night Time flying is beating a dead horse, "IF" it is forced on players. I agree with that 100%. I think it gets beat up only for that reason. I hope that my proposal has squelched that idea that it's required.
I don't like ENY...but it's a part of the SIM, to level the field, supposedly. That isn't going away either.
I think "a lot" of players want the option. Let's be honest, even they will not be there 100%. EW and MW are a testimony to that. Last time you went to the DA, TA, Ava, EW or MW??? Well, they ARE there. Doesn't mean "you" have to go there either. You have the option and the power to make that decision to try it and like it or not. If not, then you won't go back.
No one is asking you to go there either.
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Wow... quite the 1-man crusade going there....
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Originally posted by Krusty
Wow... quite the 1-man crusade going there....
Sad isn't it. (not being sarcastic either)
I think it's folks like you and many others who have "beat down" the "night" that it has those (few-if you like) supporters frustrated and cowering in their corners. (maybe from the last round of posts in the past)They do exist, and because people can't read what is actually said in this message and idea, they flare their nostrils, get their panties in a bunch and it makes them get stupid. Just because it says "night" doesn't mean it's going to be forced on you or anyone else that doesn't want it.
No one is asking or forcing this on anyone... let me type it slower for you to understand.
N o o n e i s a s k i n g y o u t o l o g i n t o i t.
I guess no one really wants to "rock the boat". Even my squaddies are absent, but they all support it or like it. I am a little depressed that more folks have not come forward to help champion this cause, "Night Arena", because it is the only way I can see it being an option.
And I do respect those of you who do not want it, "the night", in your arenas too. That is cool with me and why I started down this avenue.
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I used to HATE the night time in AHI until I learned to turn up the brightness on my monitor. Then I was a nightime terror :) I see any attempt at full darkness will be the same, and those who don't turn up gamma will be whining incessantly.
I did really like those red sunsets and sunrises though as well as the black sky full of stars. What we really need is full night for about 5 minutes with the old sunrises and sunsets.
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Originally posted by K-KEN
I am a little depressed that more folks have not come forward to help champion this cause, "Night Arena", because it is the only way I can see it being an option.
It takes a lot more to get something changed in the game than just spamming the bbs.
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Originally posted by K-KEN
Sad isn't it. (not being sarcastic either)
I think it's folks like you and many others who have "beat down" the "night" that it has those (few-if you like) supporters frustrated and cowering in their corners. (maybe from the last round of posts in the past)They do exist, and because people can't read what is actually said in this message and idea, they flare their nostrils, get their panties in a bunch and it makes them get stupid. Just because it says "night" doesn't mean it's going to be forced on you or anyone else that doesn't want it.
No one is asking or forcing this on anyone... let me type it slower for you to understand.
N o o n e i s a s k i n g y o u t o l o g i n t o i t.
I guess no one really wants to "rock the boat". Even my squaddies are absent, but they all support it or like it. I am a little depressed that more folks have not come forward to help champion this cause, "Night Arena", because it is the only way I can see it being an option.
And I do respect those of you who do not want it, "the night", in your arenas too. That is cool with me and why I started down this avenue.
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KKEN,
There are competing schools of thought here.
1. Purists. (I'm one of these) They want a historically accurate representation of the war. Those that understand that nightfighting, in WW2 was a specialized warfare, one that did not involve very much ACM and almost no single engine fighters. Nightfighting was done by variants of twin engine or higher aircraft (Read P-61,Mossie,110,210,410 and even JU-88) either fitted with primitive radars or working around large banks of spotlights. Bombers operated at night, working with PATHFINDER aircraft, although the weather requirements were incredibly restrictive. (read british logs on night ops WW2) So, in order to make an arena work, you need an entire new planeset, along with modifications. (That's not going to happen)
2. Non-purists (you.) I suspect that you may like some of the history, and have read about some of the night action. Your score tells me you like to shoot down bombers, since a full 31.39% of your total kills are BUFFS. It is natural for you to want to shoot them down, under cover of darkness. You also want to hide from those pesky fighters out there that seem to catch you in the honeypot (BUFF formations) alot.
3. People who just want whatever. They don't care about history.. they just want to fly at night... it's their game and they want what they want, screw historical accuracy.
Night would be a fad, and it would fade quickly, except to those that run away from fights... or that exclusively rely on bouncing people for their kills.
Your single handed championing of the idea is admirable. I simply don't see it as feasible.
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i loved flying at night. i think last time i flew at night was ah1?
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what Moray said.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
KKEN,
There are competing schools of thought here.
1. Purists. (I'm one of these) They want a historically accurate representation of the war. Those that understand that nightfighting, in WW2 was a specialized warfare, one that did not involve very much ACM and almost no single engine fighters. Nightfighting was done by variants of twin engine or higher aircraft (Read P-61,Mossie,110,210,410 and even JU-88) either fitted with primitive radars or working around large banks of spotlights. Bombers operated at night, working with PATHFINDER aircraft, although the weather requirements were incredibly restrictive. (read british logs on night ops WW2) So, in order to make an arena work, you need an entire new planeset, along with modifications. (That's not going to happen)
2. Non-purists (you.) I suspect that you may like some of the history, and have read about some of the night action. Your score tells me you like to shoot down bombers, since a full 31.39% of your total kills are BUFFS. It is natural for you to want to shoot them down, under cover of darkness. You also want to hide from those pesky fighters out there that seem to catch you in the honeypot (BUFF formations) alot.
3. People who just want whatever. They don't care about history.. they just want to fly at night... it's their game and they want what they want, screw historical accuracy.
Night would be a fad, and it would fade quickly, except to those that run away from fights... or that exclusively rely on bouncing people for their kills.
Your single handed championing of the idea is admirable. I simply don't see it as feasible.
Well presented arguement. Thank you for that presentation. You are actually supporting the idea that we are all different with different needs and desires and that is my point too.
I "hope" I am representing the middle-of-the-road, non-purists that fly here. Yes, 31+% of my kills are buffs, I guess, leaving 68+ % "others". Hey, I like to mix it up. I have never been a real GV player until lately. I am not very good at it, but my stats may or may not show too... that I run vehicle supplies and field supplies a whole bunch (M3 and LVTs) !! I am a team player at times and a loaner other times. I like flying buffs, but if you look at my plane list every month, I try and fly a lot of different planes at least on occasion. Been known to HO on occasion too! :)
I would probably tend to buff more, I can agree on that, but the night time fighter sortie is not out of the question, especially for defensive reasons ... buff attacks.
And #3
It's amazing that people use buffs as dive bombers, to kill GVs and all - certainly not a "purist" concept. Or bombing something and then bailing or Alt+F4ing. I'd say the purist's are the rare breed here. Necessary for plane types and realism .... yet, we have folks flying with a mouse too.
Because I/WE may ask for a feature of the SIM to be enabled, realistic or historical, should not be of concern as long as we have inconsistancies acrossed the board. We don't know what HTC has planned in the future.
We are all "different and unique".
Thank you for your input, really appreciated too.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
KKEN,
There are competing schools of thought here.
1. Purists. (I'm one of these) They want a historically accurate representation of the war. Those that understand that nightfighting, in WW2 was a specialized warfare, one that did not involve very much ACM and almost no single engine fighters. Nightfighting was done by variants of twin engine or higher aircraft (Read P-61,Mossie,110,210,410 and even JU-88) either fitted with primitive radars or working around large banks of spotlights. Bombers operated at night, working with PATHFINDER aircraft, although the weather requirements were incredibly restrictive. (read british logs on night ops WW2) So, in order to make an arena work, you need an entire new planeset, along with modifications. (That's not going to happen)
2. Non-purists (you.) I suspect that you may like some of the history, and have read about some of the night action. Your score tells me you like to shoot down bombers, since a full 31.39% of your total kills are BUFFS. It is natural for you to want to shoot them down, under cover of darkness. You also want to hide from those pesky fighters out there that seem to catch you in the honeypot (BUFF formations) alot.
3. People who just want whatever. They don't care about history.. they just want to fly at night... it's their game and they want what they want, screw historical accuracy.
Night would be a fad, and it would fade quickly, except to those that run away from fights... or that exclusively rely on bouncing people for their kills.
Your single handed championing of the idea is admirable. I simply don't see it as feasible.
SO as to you 3rd statement I should just save me $15 and not bother since the "Gamers" have gamed the rants and the options to be a game not a sim, and have excluded the "Simmer" from the equation.
With people putting in more effrot to discount an idea I can't see it working either. WHat I see here
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OOps.v slip of buttons.
People claim the same people are working for it, yet I see all the same names working against it as in other cases. Total complete negative input from the same people who the idea does not even effect. It's the invasion of the option police.
There are just as many people in this thread (if not more) backing it as just trying to shoot it down politically gaming the idea out of existence. Very transparent in approach. It's not that some think the idea is bas as much as they just want to shoot it down, to be seen making the magic statement that does. When it doesn't effect people yet they are trying to shoot it down only tells me one thing, they will attempt to shoot down anything that isn't their idea or something they want.
If you would click the button to fly that arena, why waste time putting the idea down? IMO, some people just like to hear themselves talk, period, has nothing to do with the point.
It's a good thing some of yas aren't running the marketing for the game.
Like I said if the Gamer owns the game and they want and get what they want, then I'll save my $15 for a game that doesn't cater to the biggest cry babies, whiners and half-wits, or people who politically game a rant.
That's how your statement sold me on the game. Good thing some of ya aren't in charge of marketing. :) Good thing I don't let people discourage me and run me out of a game, I'll send my $15 Monday out of spite. :)
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
It takes a lot more to get something changed in the game than just spamming the bbs.
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Originally posted by Messiah
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I have been saving...mmmmm a 12Pack for just that, in case of emergency :)
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K-ken -
Just because you're retired, doesn't mean you can come in here and stir the pot. Geez. Get off your night time flying thing already.
Its getting old...
:D :D
I couldn't resist. I'll go clean your sheep pen now.
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Originally posted by Modas
K-ken -
Just because you're retired, doesn't mean you can come in here and stir the pot. Geez. Get off your night time flying thing already.
Its getting old...
:D :D
I couldn't resist. I'll go clean your sheep pen now.
Me own squaddie, comin' in here and spreadin a yarn! I am not retired yet, just ain't working! You could have said something nice! :)
Where were you Squad night.... don't tell me you have a life!
After ya get done cleanin' the pens, ya might drop n gee me 50.
BTW, I put the red ribbon on that one to remind me, now that I am old and forgetful and all, that RED=R ... R stands for RAM. Make sure ya put the ribbon back, in case MiG or CaptMike shows up! :)
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Originally posted by oldone
i loved flying at night. i think last time i flew at night was ah1?
FWIW, 1st time I heard of AH was just before Air Warrior folded. A squad mate said she'd gunned for a Lanc during a night mission.
My imagination was fired and I was hooked.
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Originally posted by kilz
many of the people that commented on it on 200 this last year was also the ones that whined about the night time flying in the first place and was part of the reason we lost night time flying
I've said it before.
I'll say it again.
Those who claim they cant see at night. Cant see at night because they have their monitors incorrectly calibrated..
Night time in the game when you monitor is set up correctly isnt much different then dusk and dawn.
In some ways its even easier to see
But I guess setting up their monitors correctly s COMPLETELY out of the question.
I've posted this before a while ago.
You think your monitor is set up right?
I used to think so to.
Till I went here
http://www.photofriday.com/calibrate.php (http://www.photofriday.com/calibrate.php)
Give it a shot.
doesnt cost anything
and you can always change it back if you dont like it
You'll be amazed at how much better everything looks.
Even when its not night
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Night time in the game when you monitor is set up correctly isnt much different then dusk and dawn.
I can't see well enough to hit my targets or sometimes even follow them at dusk/dawn much less when it's night. Yes, I have calibrated my monitor. :)
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That Purple dinosour show is only 30 minutes long, I guess you'll watch Tellatubbies, for the other 15.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by NoBaddy
Hey, thanks for not being offended by the sarcasm. :)
My point is still valid. If there was a market for it, HT would do it. (G'luck...even if this was to bring night back to the MA's...I wouldn't affect me. I would just do what I did in the past, go watch TV for 45 minutes. :))
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Originally posted by thrila
If night is so popular why is it the same 3 people posting/campaigning for it.
Where is all the support if " only a few don't like night". Thats is a lie, a massive exaggeration at the best.
I couldn't give a damn if there was a seperate arena for it, myself. But to say it is wanted by the majority of players is simply not true
Now if im not mistaken, when night happened on christmas eve on LWblue, People left orange and deserted it and all 200 was saying for the entire time by entirely different people was something along the lines of
"AWESOME ITS NIGHT!!!!!"
or
"WHY DID THEY GET RID OF NIGHT??? I LOVE THIS!!!"
and then there was 1 or 2 people saying "nighttime sucks"
and most got a reply of "STFU!!" :lol
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I have 40+ members in my squad between three wings and they would gladly play in a seperate night arena, the only whiners gripein about night are the ones who dont want there precious perks or ranks to go down. I'll always support the nightime idea always have. It would be a great break from the same ole same ole. Those of us that want the night arena dont play for those perks or rank we play for the fun and how much fun is night flying?. AWESOME..!!!!
Youre not in this alone KEN us that love playin for the sheer enjoyment are with you on this.:aok
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What KKEN said, and Modas...and Smokey.
When I first came over from Fighter Ace...for the realism and to apease a pesky older brother...the thing I missed most was nights.
HTC tries to compensate with the hint of stars and relative haze at dusk and dawn, but it only lasts like 30 minutes. True night is fun. Wether it's with the right planeset or modifications to satisfy the purist is somantics, IMO.
An option should exist on the online menu arena list, as KKEN has produced, quite optimistically, I do concede. 199/200 is a stretch, Kenny. I would choose it often.
If you don't like it, no worries, no hard feelings...don't choose to enter.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Elfie
I can't see well enough to hit my targets or sometimes even follow them at dusk/dawn much less when it's night. Yes, I have calibrated my monitor. :)
Maybe you need a new monitor
:)
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Well a forum I re-call posting is about night..and the guys that disagreed told me that they complained about the night so much that HTC took it out AND now you want it back.:huh
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blackjck, it was the same people though, plus, it was night in the MA, not a NIGHT TIME ARENA!!!!! which is freaking awesome!!
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Originally posted by BlackJack
Well a forum I re-call posting is about night..and the guys that disagreed told me that they complained about the night so much that HTC took it out AND now you want it back.:huh
BlackJack, I do not know how long you have played, so.....
There have been many posts about the night. We had night starting in AH1, back in 1999 or 2000. You have it offline now. If you would like to try it, just type in the text buffer .time 05 30 00 and press enter. (exactly)
It's 05:30 AM, and dark. (only way I can remember it) Gotta have the .time and spaces like I entered above.
While all the previous posts were asking to "bring back the night", then we only had 1 arena. Since then, I imagine it was the same, add it to the MA. This is why it was removed, because it was "forced" upon the players.
My proposed solution, and I am repeating myself, is to make a "New Arena" that is NOT a part of any other arena. There it can be Night all the time, save a little dawn and dusk. This way the purists, the folks who don't want night, and anyone else can just stay away if they don't care to use it. The rest of us can spend a little time in the dark, if we choose to, and will have our own place to enjoy it without all the whining and belly-aching. (well there will still be HO's, and the usual stuff)
All we want is to have the option. (like expressed here) I know, 199/200 may not be realistic, but it makes me grin....I would LMAO if it were ever "closed". Then the Night whiners would be up in arms! "We need More room"... Yes, I have a dream. (Sorry - Stole it from Martin Luthur King)
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Originally posted by K-KEN
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AND PEOPLE KEEP COMPLAINING ABOUT NIGHTIME ARENAS WHEN IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT PICTURE!!!! :noid
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i would try it maybe not for awhile if it seems crappy but i'd give it a shot:aok
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FYI, I posted a cross-post in the "Wishlist" area that might be the better forum. I started here, thinking since it already exists in AH, that the "Wishlist" forum would not be appropriate. That is supposed to be for New "things". Night is not new, but a New Arena is... my bad. I hope that HiTech and Pyro, and other powers will look here since I linked it. Roy told me it should have gone there in his reply to my email request. Post there or here, unless otherwise instructed.
Check out my new ideas there too. Do a little brain-storming, use your imagination too.
Keep the faith all, and lets continue to let these folks know we are determined and sincere.
Thank you all for your continued support.
"Open a New Arena for the Night."
Salute
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KKEN, why don't you call HT Monday morning and ask him? I'm sure you'll get some kind of answer. Plead your case to him there. If he's kinda on the fence with this thing and wants more input, THEN spam the message boards.
I don't see anything wrong with your idea, and personally I don't think it will be all that popular after the first couple of weeks. HT may have a good reason why he can't or won't do it, but you'll never know till ya ask.
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I think its a good idea, learning new stuff in a night time scenario.I'm all for it,especially cv landings.
Dont like the idea of night fighting? Change arenas, not a difficult choice.
I dont take much notice of thought bashers and whiners,that is what 200 is for.
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Well, on 200 last christmas, EVERYONE was leaving LWOrange and going to LWBlue. They were so happy it was night and were wondering why it wasnt around anymore. Then there were about 2 or 3 people saying night sucked and they all got the mandatory "STFU!" :lol
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
KKEN, why don't you call HT Monday morning and ask him? I'm sure you'll get some kind of answer. Plead your case to him there. If he's kinda on the fence with this thing and wants more input, THEN spam the message boards.
I don't see anything wrong with your idea, and personally I don't think it will be all that popular after the first couple of weeks. HT may have a good reason why he can't or won't do it, but you'll never know till ya ask.
You know, to be honest, I could make a call, but I do not think it is appropriate to take HiTech or the HTC creations staff away for a moment to call and bend their ears. They have plenty on their plate now. It may be a good idea, but I am going to elect to not make that call right now. I hope the email and posts are enough to get their attention and let them review it when they have time.
To say it would be unpopular after a couple of weeks, may be correct or premature. I think it will take longer, IMO, for people to even notice it is available! They will, more likely, just hit their usual hang out without a glance. (I usually do if I am in a hurry) If the little saying that loads before the game connects says "Did you know..." or if there was a MOTD that announced it, even then some folks may not even see it right away. It takes time for the community to wake up to new things, as many posts here indicate.
I do appreciate your input and ideas, thank you.
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New arena just for night time, is not going to happen.
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oh well back to B29 and nooks.
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Yep, pretty much says it all... :cry
Thanks HT and all who supported it.
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Originally posted by hitech
New arena just for night time, is not going to happen.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
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Originally posted by angelsandair
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
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