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Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2008, 09:30:57 PM
You know what I don't like about them? They seem like they're whispering everything... like they don't mean what they're singing. There's no gusto. Some of their songs are awesome... if someone else were singing them...
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: sluggish on February 26, 2008, 09:35:44 PM
No.  You are wrong.  You are wrong on so many levels you should open the door to let some of the wrong out.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Donzo on February 26, 2008, 09:38:39 PM
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Originally posted by sluggish
No.  You are wrong.  You are wrong on so many levels you should open the door to let some of the wrong out.



Ditto.


The Boxer was whispered?
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2008, 09:41:56 PM
Even when they're "loud" they're still whispering.
Not the kind of whisper like a secret... the kind of whisper like you're not meaning something.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: sluggish on February 26, 2008, 09:44:18 PM
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Originally posted by Donzo
Ditto.


The Boxer was whispered?

Trudat, or even "Bridge Over Troubled Water".  Plus, can you imagine "The Sound of Silence" sung with "gusto"?

I've got a feeling that Paul Simon knew exactly what he was doing...
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Donzo on February 26, 2008, 09:50:50 PM
I will say that a lot of the songs that Art was the lead vocal on did sound "quiet"...but good none the less :)
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2008, 09:52:57 PM
Yeah, maybe they intended to sound like they didn't mean it.

Not gusto meaning "loud..."
How come I can't say that right?

Yes, bridge over troubled water & sounds of silence ~ both I can imagine sung with gusto... not "loud..." just with passion I guess is what I'm trying to say.

They sound like they don't mean it.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Xargos on February 26, 2008, 09:57:34 PM
Maybe they were just too stoned in the studio at the time.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: sluggish on February 26, 2008, 09:57:43 PM
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Originally posted by texasmom
Yeah, maybe they intended to sound like they didn't mean it.

Not gusto meaning "loud..."
How come I can't say that right?


There's a lot of melancholy in their songs.  This shouldn't be misconstrued as a lack of earnestness.  This is a a facet of music making that is lost on a lot of today's artists.  Toby Kieth singing "The Sound of Silence" would be a slow hilarious train-wreck.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2008, 10:00:45 PM
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Originally posted by sluggish
There's a lot of melancholy in their songs.  This shouldn't be misconstrued as a lack of earnestness.  This is a a facet of music making that is lost on a lot of today's artists.  Toby Kieth singing "The Sound of Silence" would be a slow hilarious train-wreck.


It's not a lack of earnestness... It's a lack of emotion at all. Like they're just checking a block. If you listen to their music in the background ~ that music has more emotion than their singing.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: sluggish on February 26, 2008, 10:01:21 PM
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Originally posted by texasmom
Yeah, maybe they intended to sound like they didn't mean it.

Not gusto meaning "loud..."
How come I can't say that right?

Yes, bridge over troubled water & sounds of silence ~ both I can imagine sung with gusto... not "loud..." just with passion I guess is what I'm trying to say.

They sound like they don't mean it.


"The Sound of Silence would be horrible sung with "gusto".  It is a dark melancholy song sung from a shadow.

"Bridge Over Troubled Water" is a very dynamic song.  It starts out quiet but by the end Art Garfunkel is wailing.  It can still bring a tear to my eye.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2008, 10:02:49 PM
I'm gonna stop listening to the youtube live shots & go get the CD out. Maybe they just have emotionless stage performance.

*edit* meloncholy shouldn't translate to emotionless. It can be even more powerful than others. Just not with these two.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: rpm on February 26, 2008, 10:10:14 PM
Mom, that's just 60/70's "artsy" folk singers. Check out any of their peers, they were just the same.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2008, 10:25:18 PM
like who else?
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Elfie on February 26, 2008, 10:45:24 PM
Simon and Garfunkel rule. 'Nuff said.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: sluggish on February 26, 2008, 10:45:45 PM
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Originally posted by texasmom
I'm gonna stop listening to the youtube live shots & go get the CD out. Maybe they just have emotionless stage performance.

*edit* meloncholy shouldn't translate to emotionless. It can be even more powerful than others. Just not with these two.


check ur pm
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2008, 10:54:01 PM
See, here's one from the same time... except with gusto.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=228004
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: vorticon on February 26, 2008, 11:15:05 PM
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Originally posted by texasmom
See, here's one from the same time... except with gusto.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=228004


wrong link, i presume?
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2008, 11:27:10 PM
LOLOL vorticon ~ no. I put that one there on purpose. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZI8oncdNYw
okay, here's a different one from almost the same time... except they mean it. I know that sounds stupid, but I don't know how else to say it.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: rpm on February 26, 2008, 11:57:44 PM
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Originally posted by texasmom
like who else?
Mommas & Pappas, Joan Baez, Carole King, Gale Garnett
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Yeager on February 27, 2008, 12:03:34 AM
if only the kids today had music like that.  They might actually have souls then.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Xargos on February 27, 2008, 12:09:53 AM
TxMom, do you know what Three Dog Night means?
Title: Re: simon & garfunkel
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 27, 2008, 12:16:08 AM
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Originally posted by texasmom
You know what I don't like about them? They seem like they're whispering everything... like they don't mean what they're singing. There's no gusto. Some of their songs are awesome... if someone else were singing them...


You and Julieo need to go down by the school yard

;)
Title: Re: Re: simon & garfunkel
Post by: sluggish on February 27, 2008, 12:27:52 AM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
You and Julieo need to go down by the school yard

;)


I know it's none of my business but I've always wondered what they were doing.  All we know is that it was against the law...
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: crockett on February 27, 2008, 12:31:10 AM
I have this one in my favorites on youtube..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZGWQauQOAQ

Im' not a big fan of them, but they did have some good songs.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: sluggish on February 27, 2008, 12:41:02 AM
Three Dog Night were fantastic.  I wish they could get over their differences and get back to making music before one of them kicks off.

Probably my favoraite act from the seventies.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Xargos on February 27, 2008, 01:08:11 AM
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Originally posted by sluggish
Three Dog Night were fantastic.  I wish they could get over their differences and get back to making music before one of them kicks off.

Probably my favoraite act from the seventies.


I had the pleasure of seeing them in the mid 80's, in a little bar down in North Charleston, S.C.  Wouldn't mind seeing them again.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: WMLute on February 27, 2008, 01:40:21 AM
got the same link saved crockett.

S and G are one of the best bands of the past 40-50 years.

Quote
In the clearing stands a boxer, and a fighter by his trade
And he carries the reminders of every glove that laid him down or cut him
til he cried out in his anger and his shame
I am leaving, I am leaving, but the fighter still remains
Yes he still remains


I have always found most of their songs quite "powerfull" and don't have a clue what TxMom is thinking.
Title: Re: Re: Re: simon & garfunkel
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 27, 2008, 06:41:43 AM
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Originally posted by sluggish
I know it's none of my business but I've always wondered what they were doing.  All we know is that it was against the law...



According to Wikipedia

"In a July 20, 1972 interview for Rolling Stone, Jon Landau asked: "What is it that the mama saw? The whole world wants to know." Simon replied "I have no idea what it is... Something sexual is what I imagine, but when I say 'something', I never bothered to figure out what it was. Didn't make any difference to me."


Either way. Hell of a song
Not a half bad video either

http://youtube.com/watch?v=O859wd7H6h8
Title: Re: simon & garfunkel
Post by: ZetaNine on February 27, 2008, 07:57:40 AM
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Originally posted by texasmom
You know what I don't like about them? They seem like they're whispering everything... like they don't mean what they're singing. There's no gusto. Some of their songs are awesome... if someone else were singing them...



please rent the DVD " S&G Live in Central Park "....I very much doubt you will say they had no emotion....

Paul is one of America's best songwriters........and Arty's voice is golden fog....
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: sluggish on February 27, 2008, 07:59:25 AM
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Originally posted by Xargos
I had the pleasure of seeing them in the mid 80's, in a little bar down in North Charleston, S.C.  Wouldn't mind seeing them again.
You didn't see them with Chuck Negron.  They kicked him out of the band in the mid-seventies.  They haven't spoken since.  I saw them probably on the same tour you did and while Danny and Corey still put on a hell of a show, it's just not the same without Chuck.

Chuck sang "Easy to be Hard"" Eli's Coming""Joy to The World""Pieces of April""One"
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: midnight Target on February 27, 2008, 10:40:30 AM
Turn up your stereo.


One of my favorite S&G tunes... (Punky's Dilemma)

Wish I was a Kellogg's Cornflake
Floatin' in my bowl takin' movies,
Relaxin' awhile, livin' in style,
Talkin' to a raisin who 'casion'ly plays L.A.,
Casually glancing at his toupee.

Wish I was an English muffin
'Bout to make the most out of a toaster.

I'd ease myself down,
Comin' up brown.

I prefer boysenberry
More than any ordinary jam.
I'm a "Citizens for Boysenberry Jam" fan.

Ah, South California.

If I become a first lieutenant
Would you put my photo on your piano?
To Maryjane--
Best wishes, Martin.
(Old Roger draft-dodger
Leavin' by the basement door),
Everybody knows what he's
Tippy-toeing down there for
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Maverick on February 27, 2008, 10:41:46 AM
I enjoyed Simon and Garfunkle quite a bit. I loved their "I am a rock" when I was in Jr. High School as well as the others already mentioned. Their style of music is not meant for the headbanging heavy metal thrashing of eardrums of other bands. It's a totally different style of music and has to be appreciated for itself. Even with my reduced hearing capacity I can still understand S&G on the radio, I just have to turn up the volume now. :p
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2008, 10:43:38 AM
Xargos ~ I was given an explanation to that name when I was about 6 or 7 years old... which now I'm sure is not correct. I've got a nice little warm & fuzzy about that kid-friendly explanation though ~ not sure if I want to know what it really means. :) Hold on that one. :)
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Swager on February 27, 2008, 11:02:32 AM
"I Am A Rock"  Is one of the best songs ever written!
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: AWMac on February 27, 2008, 01:23:20 PM
(http://p6.hostingprod.com/@hearingmojo.com/blog-mt/images/Posts/HearingAidGuide.jpg)

TexasMom... Dear as we all get older sometimes our senses are somewhat deminished a bit... first the vision goes and then...well...anyways.  
We want you to enjoy music again.  Have you considered hearing assistance aids?

:D

Mac
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Masherbrum on February 27, 2008, 03:37:38 PM
Simon and Garfunkel sing with plenty of emotion.   Txmom, I'm thinking this is just you.  

IMO, I've always thought their strongest influence were The Everly Brothers.    At least when I hear S&G, I immediately hear TEB in their songs.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Masherbrum on February 27, 2008, 03:40:56 PM
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Originally posted by Xargos
TxMom, do you know what Three Dog Night means?
"The dingo ate my baby!"  :cool:
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: crockett on February 27, 2008, 05:15:26 PM
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Originally posted by WMLute
got the same link saved crockett.

S and G are one of the best bands of the past 40-50 years.



I have always found most of their songs quite "powerfull" and don't have a clue what TxMom is thinking.


Well I also have this one saved too.. (David Bowie's first appearance)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY5a3Un3y8g

I like looking up old vintage vids on youtube..


btw this one cracks me up..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5zxeLwUSdk&feature=related
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2008, 05:58:25 PM
slug ~ I enjoyed ~ thanks :)
At least on those Simon sounded meanful (Art still sounded like you might imagine a limp-fish handshake to feel).
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: sluggish on February 27, 2008, 06:05:11 PM
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Originally posted by texasmom
slug ~ I enjoyed ~ thanks :)
At least on those Simon sounded meanful (Art still sounded like you might imagine a limp-fish handshake to feel).
You do realize that that's Arty singing "Bridge Over Troubled Water", right?

-you're very welcome.  If I had one of them new-fangled high speed connections I would have sent you more..
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2008, 06:07:10 PM
No ~ I totally didn't know that.
Skuzzy ~ is this when I ask to have a thread deleted???
*edit* nope, I won't ask for that. I dished it out well enough ~ I suppose I can take the hits with more grace. :)
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: JB73 on February 27, 2008, 06:42:43 PM
Surprised no one mentioned Hazy Shade of Winter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yheo2AgNywU

:huh
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: AWMac on February 27, 2008, 06:46:04 PM
Huh?   What?

Stop whispering!!!

:D

Mac
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on February 27, 2008, 06:55:48 PM
There's no need to put "extra effort" into singing lyrics when the lyrics and the music are exceptionally powerful. Of course, if you have no real message, you can supposedly make up for that by singing "nothing" with "feeling".
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: Maverick on February 27, 2008, 07:22:53 PM
Or at least loudly.
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 27, 2008, 07:48:28 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
There's no need to put "extra effort" into singing lyrics when the lyrics and the music are exceptionally powerful. Of course, if you have no real message, you can supposedly make up for that by singing "nothing" with "feeling".


Or as is in the case in alot of the music today

SCREAMING nothing with feeling


LOL
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: vorticon on February 27, 2008, 07:54:11 PM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Or as is in the case in alot of the music today

SCREAMING nothing with feeling


LOL


more like gutteral screaming nothing, without any feeling at all, in some cases.
but the lounge covers are humorous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc-V3NYckOI
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: JB88 on February 27, 2008, 10:21:56 PM
dear texasmom,

bridge over troubled water,
i am a rock,
the boxer,
for emily (wherever she may)
celia,
A Simple Desultory Philippic (Or How I Was Robert McNamara'd into Submission)
hazy shade of winter,
only living boy in new york.  (heeeeyyyyyy let your honesty shine shine now...)
bye bye love,
red rubber ball
wake up little suzie.
a poem on an underground wall.
america.
homeward bound.

to name a few.

best,
august
Title: simon & garfunkel
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2008, 10:26:00 PM
:)