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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: whiteman on February 27, 2008, 10:42:10 AM
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Rockets or Kegs???
(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/news/images/sdk251/sdk2512.jpg)
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hopefully kegs
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rockets / mortars
(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/news/images/sdk251/sdk2517.jpg)
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Time to invest in glasses :o
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Nebelwerfers, aren't they?
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lol
no. nebelwerfers look totally different.
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I wanna know if the Fire Extinguisher is functional...
(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/news/images/sdk251/sdk2515.jpg)
:D
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280 mm or 320 mm Wurfkoerper rockets? Sweet!
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I'm thinking a towable 88 field gun....:t
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The Nebelwerfer was a six tubed towed mount that fired 150 mm rockets. The SDKFZ-251-1 fired 280 mm rockets.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
I'm thinking a towable 88 field gun....:t
Nah. They're clearly not just shells. They're rockets, firing.
This isn't just a resupply truck for an 88. This is doing its own firing.
Might be an interesting tool for town killing.
What are they equivelant to? 500 lb bombs? 1000lb?
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M3 with teeth like it.
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251/1-II - Rocket launcher (called "Stuka zu Fuß" (Walking Stuka) or Wurfrahmen 40) equipped with six side mounted frames for launching 280 mm or 320 mm Wurfkoerper rockets.
Looks a bit like the M3 is getting company
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What is it's top speed?
If it is anywhere near the M3 then I have a feeling the M3 will start to see little use
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Originally posted by Krusty
Nah. They're clearly not just shells. They're rockets, firing.
This isn't just a resupply truck for an 88. This is doing its own firing.
Might be an interesting tool for town killing.
What are they equivelant to? 500 lb bombs? 1000lb?
I know they're mortars.... you misunderstood....
I meant that with the 251 we could now have a towable 88 field gun
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Carrying vehicle supplies for reloads it could be a force in town killing.
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32 MPH quoted so not much faster than a tank.
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Ah, I see.
How big an impact do these rockets make? Does anybody know?
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When did this tank enter service? I need to update the aircraft and vehicle service date list.
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Oooooh sweet!, I'm really looking forward to this update. Given what we know is coming, now wondering what HT isnt telling us.
WTG HT!!! Woooooooot
Wurzel :D
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http://misc.kitreview.com/armourreviews/dml6284reviewcs_1.htm
280 mm has a 55kg warhead with a 320 mm napalm round available.
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Intersting that they picked a somewhat obscure variation. I'm curious if we might see a few more sub types on either the 251 or the M-3. Both had anti tank and recoiless rifle as well as morter/AA options.
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Ya know, Hitech and crew must be sitting back and LOL their butts off right now..
They post some screen shots and its like chum in the water....
:lol
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Originally posted by Krusty
Ah, I see.
How big an impact do these rockets make? Does anybody know?
The 28cm wurfkörper was filled with 50kg explosives. That would be roughly equivalent to a 250lbs HE bomb.
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Makes you wonder doesn't it.
If you had for example
2 - 4 Wirblewinds/ostys
2 - 4 M3's, half with troops, half with vehicle supplies
?? Halftracks
2 panzer/shermans/tigers.
Going to give you a pretty nice punch.
Wonder how many halftracks it would take to level a town?
With supplys available, are we going to see 3 - 6 of these fireing salvos of rockets in on town from 3 - 6k out?
Wonder what options its going to have.
Will it also carry troops? Base, Vehicle supplies?
Surely someone has info on this beast.
HTC looks very very interesting! Keep em coming!
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Going to give you a pretty nice punch.
Wonder how many halftracks it would take to level a town?
With supplys available, are we going to see 3 - 6 of these fireing salvos of rockets in on town from 3 - 6k out?
Range was just over 2km.
It will add some colour for sure, but based on pure "efficency" I guess a single Ostwind may still be better for taking down a town.
That being said, I can't wait to lay my hands on that pretty thing :)
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Thanks HT and crew!!
Above and beyond the call of duty!!
Your Buddy,
Boner
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Still enough to keep you out of the ack I imagine.
:)
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50kg is about 100lbs, not 250lbs :D
I'm a little disappointed... [edit: in the payload, not that we're getting it!] That's only (roughly) 1 building per rocket. You can do more than that with an M-3s .50cal gun.
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Originally posted by Krusty
50kg is about 100lbs, not 250lbs :D
50kg is about 110 lbs explosives - A 250 lbs HE bomb has only an explosive filling of about 50% of it's weight = ~125 lbs.
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Totally off-topic, but you're saying a thin metal shell and some fins weigh 125lbs or so?
I find that a little hard to believe.
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Reading the link above the frames were mounted and preset for range........ so there is no adjustment like we have for the PT boat rockets?
Range of 1970 metres......... not as long range as Katyushka's but more hitting power.
I suppose it can carry troops to? or would it carry spare rockets ? (vehicle supplies?) which would deploy over a period of time.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Totally off-topic, but you're saying a thin metal shell and some fins weigh 125lbs or so?
I find that a little hard to believe.
Its not a "thin" metal shell by a long shot.
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I would hope it carries troops -- just for variety from M3 use.
Would give axis v allies and scenario setups more immersion! (instead of using M3 on both sides)
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Originally posted by 1Boner
Its not a "thin" metal shell by a long shot.
It's not exactly high-quality steel either :D
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Originally posted by Krusty
Totally off-topic, but you're saying a thin metal shell and some fins weigh 125lbs or so?
Yes i do.
Some examples:
Minenbombe SC-250 (Thin walled high explosive bomb): Weight: 245-256 kg. Explosive load: 125-130kg
Minenbombe SC 50: Weight 50-54kg. Explosive load 25kg
So one 28cm Wurfkörper has the explosive power of 2 SC-50 bombs (for example carried by our Ju-88)
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Mother flipping freaked out totally awesome way beyond cool! Thank you HTC for all these new toys! Now that I got that out of my system, when can I have them? Muhaha:t
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Cool addition HTC
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Just thought. Radio chatter is going to be fun.
Instead of "Quick M3 in town!"
Now we will have "Quick, S...D...K...F...Z-2... 5...1 in town, ah forget it, it's too late"
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Originally posted by Lusche
Yes i do.
Some examples:
Minenbombe SC-250 (Thin walled high explosive bomb): Weight: 245-256 kg. Explosive load: 125-130kg
Minenbombe SC 50: Weight 50-54kg. Explosive load 25kg
If true, what a wholly inefficient method for delivering explosives!
So unlike those Germans, to be so wasteful!
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Originally posted by Krusty
I would hope it carries troops -- just for variety from M3 use.
Would give axis v allies and scenario setups more immersion! (instead of using M3 on both sides)
It appears the rear doors open. I'm sure they did that so we could carry troops otherwise the doors would have been a waste of time.
(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/news/images/sdk251/sdk2515.jpg)
It looks like it is a pita to skin with the rocket racks on.
Thanks for the hard work guys.:aok
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Originally posted by Solar10
Just thought. Radio chatter is going to be fun.
Instead of "Quick M3 in town!"
Now we will have "Quick, S...D...K...F...Z-2... 5...1 in town, ah forget it, it's too late"
LOL:lol
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get 5 or 6 of these guys in COH and they are monsters better than arty for pinch point defense.
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COH ...? :huh
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Originally posted by Krusty
If true, what a wholly inefficient method for delivering explosives!
So unlike those Germans, to be so wasteful!
You can't make a bombshell much thinner:
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9740/sc250bu1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Holy mother of god.... :huh
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Great work HTC, and not to be greedy but can we have this too?
(http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/misc/stewart251i.jpg)
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Originally posted by Airscrew
I know they're mortars.... you misunderstood....
I meant that with the 251 we could now have a towable 88 field gun
With as long a deployment/pack-up delay as HTC wants... please? This would make for a real novelty in ground combat tactics. Especialy if the 88 gets the same nearly invisible tracer as the fleets' 5" shells. Even more so if we also get a choice of puffy flak loadouts... It would also give something like a Jeep/M3/M16/M8 even more use as a spotter.
It would mean as much artillery bombardment as players would band together for, with little risk of exploiting such a powerful base of fire since it would have no protection beyond something like camo nets and some AA GVs like we have. As few bombs as one of most single engined attackers carries would wipe out such a setup. They could get muzzle fire animations comparable to what the fleet and shore battery guns got, so that they're hard to miss from relatively close passes, as in reality.
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Company of Hero's (COH) fun :)
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Sweet, rocket vulching with GVs!
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what is it?
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It's German, that's what it is.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Ah, I see.
How big an impact do these rockets make? Does anybody know?
250lb bomb would be on pare for 320mm rockets.
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Originally posted by Krusty
It's German, that's what it is.
from germany:confused: ?
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Originally posted by Solar10
Just thought. Radio chatter is going to be fun.
Instead of "Quick M3 in town!"
Now we will have "Quick, S...D...K...F...Z-2... 5...1 in town, ah forget it, it's too late"
HILARIOUS!!!!!!!:rofl
I'll just call it the "stick fuzz." Does that work?
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LOL, Im sure they wanted to do something what was never asked. And this must be it. I dont remember seeing anyone asking this. never.:D
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No from Waffle's computer. :D
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See, that's odd for me, because several games have SDKs, System Development Kits, that allow you to mod certain things (create a mod, perhaps a map, do modeling, etc)...
SDKF.... Doesn't it have a nickname, like "Panzer"?
EDIT: I hereby dub it "Halftrack" because that's what it is and I recall a couple movies that just referred to it as such.
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Its a motified M3 with some arse kicken added for good measure...
Wonder what else we are getting..
*crosses fingers* HE 111 HE 111 HE 111
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German Half track produced in great numbers and many variations. Considered to be superior to American half track.:)
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Originally posted by Krusty
See, that's odd for me, because several games have SDKs, System Development Kits, that allow you to mod certain things (create a mod, perhaps a map, do modeling, etc)...
SDKF.... Doesn't it have a nickname, like "Panzer"?
EDIT: I hereby dub it "Halftrack" because that's what it is and I recall a couple movies that just referred to it as such.
my grandpa referred to them as "coffin on wheels".
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Originally posted by Krusty
Doesn't it have a nickname, like "Panzer"?
"Panzer" isn't really a nickname. All German tanks were "Panzer", because that's just what it means.
Panzer I, Panzer II, Panzer III, Panzer IV... ;)
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Originally posted by mipoikel
LOL, Im sure they wanted to do something what was never asked. And this must be it. I dont remember seeing anyone asking this. never.:D
Yeah we did, we asked for something to tow artillery with :)
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6 of these Halftracks, bye bye town!
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Originally posted by moot
(towed artillery groveling).
In addition to changing tactics, it would change the locations of attacks.. So far it's always been at the GV spawn points and between those and targets, with the occasional flank tactics as the terrain allows (when players have patience for it). Towed arty would allow for more dispersed combat pretty much everytime, instead of the same head to head trench fights we get now.
To avoid abuse of arty units' long range, they could be modeled without any binoculars of any sort. That way the only effective way of spotting rounds would be from another player's point of view. It would be another extra incentive for teamwork.
The only flaw would be it restricting players from using the arty unit on their own, which might be too much.. In that case they'd either get only a little zoom range, or normal zoom range but a separate spawn point further back.
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I found this. Thought you all might find it interesting:
The Germans were not the first army in the world to use rockets in a tactical situation, but they were the first during WWII to use heavy rocket launchers in a close support role.
The first two rockets fielded came out in 1940. They were the Wurfkoerper Spreng, a high-explosive rocket with a 28 cm warhead weighing 55 kilograms, and the Wurfkoerper M FL 50, a napalm-type incendiary mixture fired in a 32 cm warhead weighing a bit less but carrying 40 liters of filler. Both rockets used the same solid-fuel rocket motor, but were ballistically awful and underpowered, providing only a very short range with high levels of dispersion. Maximum range for the HE one was 1925 meters, with a CEP of more than 80 meters; for the incendiary, it was 2200 meters with a CEP of over 100 meters. (CEP is circular area probable, which means only half of the shots would get within 40-50 meters of their intended target; result – you have to shoot more than one round to ensure you might hit it.)
Rockets could be fired from a number of different mountings with a device giving an interval of 2 seconds between shots (that was to let the mount settle down in order to minimize dispersion by the rest of the rockets.) Early mounts – Wurfgeraet 40 and 41 – were four-shot fixed frames with only elevation adjustment, firing from the ground. Later, a bigger mount, the 28/32 cm Nebelwerfer 41, was created with racks for six rockets of either type or a mixture of both. Finally, due to the short range and vulnerable situation it put the crew into when firing, someone came up with the bright idea of mounting six launchers (actually the open packing crate/launcher frame the rockets were shipped in) on a saddle mount fitted to an Sd.Kfz. 251 series halftrack. The idea worked, and was officially dubbed Schweres Wurfrahmen 40 or SWR 40; unofficially it was nicknamed "Stuka zum Fuss" or "Stuka for the infantry."
Due to the fact that they were fragile and added nearly three feet to the width of the vehicle, the rockets were not mounted until just prior to going into action. The frames would be preset for a specific range and the carrier would move in to range of the target (minimum range was 300-400 meters, which was just possible from the mountings but not recommended). The driver and commander would line up on the target, and since they had armor protection could fire the rockets from within the vehicle. For bombardment the crew had a remote firing device and could launch them from up to 10 meters away from the vehicle. They were heavily used in Russia, as the frames could be quickly fitted to nearly all standard hull 251 series halftracks of any model (e.g. Ausf. B, C, or D.) Normal mixture was five 28 cm HE and one 32 cm incendiary per load.
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Originally posted by moot
And more artillery grovling...
In addition, towed artillery could be used to defend a spawn point from anticipated spawn campers, much in the same way Rommell used 88's in North Africa...
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Originally posted by macleod01
6 of these Halftracks, bye bye town!
One Ostwind, bye bye town. ;)
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Some 251 trivia:
The Sd Kfz 251 was the German army's standard APC from the Polish campaign right to the end of the war. There were four marks of 251, the Ausfs A to D. The version we have here is the Ausf C, which was produced from 1940 to 43. The A and B looked very similar to the C, but the D was extensively revised and looked a bit different.
The infantry carrying variant was the 251/1, but there were over 20 other variants produced. There were anti tank, anti aircraft, artillery, flamethrower, forward aircraft control, infra red nightfighting illuminator, armoured ambulance versions etc. The largest towed gun I've seen in a photo of a 251 is a 75mm AT gun. I think they used unarmoured half tracks for the 88mm.
Compared to the M3 the 251 had its good and bad points. It was a fair bit slower on roads, but a lot closer off road as it had longer tracks for reduced ground pressure and better suspension. The M3 had a driven front axle which gave it much better steering in soft conditions. The 251 had better armour protection but its complicated tracks and suspension were very maintenance intensive.
The rockets were adjustable for range. The crew would set the angle of the launchers and then retire to a safe distance before firing. They were very innaccurate and were usually used in cities to flatten buildings. BTW you can remove the launchers in the game, they are set up as a weapon pylon in the skin viewer.
The german designation for the 251 was "Mittlerer Schutzenpanzerwagen", or medium armoured infantry carrier.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
In addition, towed artillery could be used to defend a spawn point from anticipated spawn campers, much in the same way Rommell used 88's in North Africa...
Yep.. It would really be a whole new set of tactics on the ground. I'm just speculating but I suppose it would also be useful in scenarios..
Give the ground units an AA arty piece like the 88 with puffy flak rounds or any other unit with that functionality (I don't know squat about these), as well as one (or the same) with anti tank/GV loadouts, and it really opens things up..
e.g. Launching four 88s to a certain point out in a forest near a target, while one light GV (e.g. M8 or jeep) runs to a good spotting position, while the tanks we have do what they usualy do... With a few AA units distributed all over, such as an M16 with the recon, and AA 88s or ostie/wirb around the 88s aiming for the ground targets, and whatever suits the tanks for escort.. It would really work well together. This is the sort of extra firepower (compared to now) that would really make things even more fun.
Anti tank guns towed to the edge of towns or bases (although airfields are rarely surrounded by landscape that'd favor it) would make for a lot more intense defensive or counter attack combat.
I don't know much about ground combat tactics, but IMO the tactical novelty is obvious and really worth adding :)
Even just 10 players towing their 88s and firing together.. Imagine the fireworks downrange :D And we wouldn't even get much if any whines about it. A few rockets would wipe them out. At worst they get a special strat to disable them at their home base.
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
When did this tank enter service? I need to update the aircraft and vehicle service date list.
Hanomag Sd.Kfz. (Sonderkraftfahrzeug) 251/1-II -
Rocket launcher variant to the halftrack armored fighting vehicle, called "Stuka zu Fuß" (Walking Stuka) or Wurfrahmen 40, equipped with six side mounted frames (Wurfrahmen) for launching 280mm or 320mm "Wurfkoerper" rockets
Versions:ABCD
J. Gast AG constructs in 1941 a simple tubular frame (Wurfrahmen) that can be folded up, if not in use. It mounts a crate containing a rocket, the "Wurfkoerper". This is a heavy 280mm HE (in a wooden crate), or 320mm napalm (in a metal crate) rocket-projectile of which 6 can be mounted with only simple tools and knowledge to any version. Usually the "wurfrahmen" are attached to 251/1"s, but any other is possible. The "D" is seen most numerous. The rockets are launched with the crew outside the vehicle. When moving the control box, the "mehrfachzunder" and cable reels are carried in the vehicle.
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Sonderkraftfahrzeug 251
See my post [in the proper forum]...
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2766029#post2766029
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Can this carry troops?
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what I'd like to know is does that fire extingusher work !!!:aok
And looking forward to useing it .
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WTG HTC, Can't wait to try this Mittle cheesez
:aok
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Originally posted by SpikesX
Can this carry troops?
"Google" it.
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How long till.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Katjuscha_1938_Moscow.jpg/800px-Katjuscha_1938_Moscow.jpg)
:noid :noid
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Originally posted by whiteman
Rockets or Kegs???
(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/news/images/sdk251/sdk2512.jpg)
if its german, then its kegs :D :rofl
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Originally posted by Bronk
How long till.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Katjuscha_1938_Moscow.jpg/800px-Katjuscha_1938_Moscow.jpg)
:noid :noid
Stupedbaker FTW!1!!
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what is the top speed of the m3 that we have now and what is the top speed of the new german halftrack?
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Originally posted by SpikesX
Can this carry troops?
It was able to carry 10 passengers, so Im hopeing they modeled that into the game. If not then its just a waste of time.
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
Great work HTC, and not to be greedy but can we have this too?
(http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/misc/stewart251i.jpg)
When we get the perk ordnance system that Pyro mentioned awhile back, I'm sure we would get some optional weapon packages to use on the new love wagon.
ack-ack
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So would the general tradeoff here be that while it would be slower getting troops in it is better armored than the M3? What sort of durability can we expect, like that of an LVT?
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Great bunch of future additions...
STOP the torture HiTech...
I want to play with 'em today!!!
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Originally posted by Krusty
If true, what a wholly inefficient method for delivering explosives!
So unlike those Germans, to be so wasteful!
*Modern* iron bombs are still made the same way. The Mk 82 bomb the USAF uses is a 500 lb bomb but less than half that weight is actually explosives. (192 lbs of explosives) All of the Mk 80 series weapons are like that.
Here's a link for the Mk 82.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/mk82.htm
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I'll be interested to find out how many rounds it's loaded with and rate of fire.
The big question is how do u aim it ? Like a PT ....suck it and see or by typing in the expanded finer coordinance IE 10.13.2-3-7 or like the cv8's clicky yellow square press W, fire ?
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Originally posted by opposum
what is the top speed of the m3 that we have now and what is the top speed of the new german halftrack?
Level ground? uphill? or downhill? :t
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Originally posted by SpikesX
Can this carry troops?
Wikipedia said it carried a crew of 12(including passengers). So I'm assuming yes it will carry troops.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Level ground? uphill? or downhill? :t
no i mean northwest bound heading in a eastern direction on interstate
I-10 north the ends in the southern tip of florida
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:D
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Wha? Are yo' tellin' me halftracks is migr'tory?
:O
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Found it. At the end, 7 mins or something...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzBjakRYT4A&feature=related
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Originally posted by LYNX
I'll be interested to find out how many rounds it's loaded with and rate of fire.
The big question is how do u aim it ? Like a PT ....suck it and see or by typing in the expanded finer coordinance IE 10.13.2-3-7 or like the cv8's clicky yellow square press W, fire ?
As it's by no means a precision weapon as cruiser guns: I'd guess aim like PT rockets. After all it's the same kind of weapons. Even being fired from it's wooden transport crates.
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Originally posted by opposum
no i mean northwest bound heading in a eastern direction on interstate
I-10 north the ends in the southern tip of florida
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:D
you gonna get lost with those directions... I-10 runs East and West... :p
Someone posted earlier a top speed of 32mph. M3 is 45mph. Uphill... forever... Downhill...Lightspeed...
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what with the rockets/morters on the side would/(should) it blow up easily when its hit on them with small calibre rounds ?
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Originally posted by Krusty
Wha? Are yo' tellin' me halftracks is migr'tory?
:O
What, African or European halftrack? :D
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Actually i think what they are going to do is add an option for it. Have the SDKFZ with no rockets and have a full load or troops. Or have it with the rockets and have a reduced number of troops or no troops at all.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
Actually i think what they are going to do is add an option for it. Have the SDKFZ with no rockets and have a full load or troops. Or have it with the rockets and have a reduced number of troops or no troops at all.
Yea Im thinking thats how it will be hopefully
Crew of 7. Had 2 MG34s or MG42s. Had 5: 28cm Sprengranate (HE round) and 1: 32cm Flammgranate (incendiary round). After France in 1940 J. Gast KG, Berlin were ordered to create a projector for the Wurfgerät 40. The elevation was +5° to +40°. Firing took 10 seconds and the range of 1.9 km for Sprengranate and 2.2 km for Flammgranate.
Nicknamed "Walking Stuka" or "Bellowing Cow".
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Either that or screaming sounds with slight German inflections when those suckers are lit. Maybe the troops would hop out and run around screaming "Hot! Hot! Hot!"? Or "Now we're cookin!"
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Now all we need is the Ju52 and us LW flyers wont have to use american planes/gvs to bring troops.
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Originally posted by mipoikel
Found it. At the end, 7 mins or something...
Thanks Mipoikel according to the film it carried its own reloads. Wonder how many.
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Originally posted by Bronk
What, African or European halftrack? :D
Suppose two halftracks pulled an 88 on a line.
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Actually, I heard the troops layed on the rockets and were fired into the maproom from 1500 meters. They get there fast but only six get in.
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Originally posted by Tilt
Thanks Mipoikel according to the film it carried its own reloads. Wonder how many.
he had 6 more on a trailer it pulled.
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Originally posted by Lusche
One Ostwind, bye bye town. ;)
hmmm ... what will give one 251 + supplies ?
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With the ord hanging on the side, this thing should make a nice PUFF when hit:aok
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Originally posted by Airscrew
I'm thinking a towable 88 field gun....:t
Yes, WW2OL favourite Sniper Rifle.
...-Gixer
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I'm kinda curious how you aim that thing...
I suck with the rockets on the PT boat... i have no idea how to range them... will this be the same?
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Originally posted by DYNAMITE
I'm kinda curious how you aim that thing...
Well, you use these coconut halves, you see...
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Where did they get the coconut?
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Well....
I should be happy and say thanks, HTC... but, right now, I'm more upset.... this morning I was hoping to get hands on the new version soon... and now, another delay.... :(
Don't get me wrong, I like to have new toys... but I'm really beginning to wonder when we'll have them!
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Originally posted by Bronk
Where did they get the coconut?
We found it.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
he had 6 more on a trailer it pulled.
The film showed crates behind the driver, and the narrator said "reloads were carried within the vehicle"
So no trailer, just in the cargo area.
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Another bit of info I found on the 28cm Wurfkörper:
"Mit einer Geschwindigkeit von 145 m/s wurden Schußweiten von 1.925 m erreicht. Die 50 % Streuung in der Längsachse betrug 160 m"
Translation:
With a velcity of 145m/s a range of 1,925m was achived. The 50% scatter zone in the longitudonal axis was 160m(!)
Source: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/raketenwerfer.htm which is usually a pretty reliable source.
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That's interesting. It will be very useful in the opening salvos on an fresh town, but trying to finish off that last building? You might miss by a wide margin :D
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Originally posted by Krusty
That's interesting. It will be very useful in the opening salvos on an fresh town, but trying to finish off that last building? You might miss by a wide margin :D
Yes, but only if HTC choses to model it that way. Personally I do find the our PT rockets frightfully accurate, even when considering that they are spin stabilized :noid
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True... However, have you noticed that HTC models in dispersion with bomb drops? Drop the externals in a Ju88 (salvo 4) and watch them. They scatter BIG time, even crossing paths in opposite directions.
It's possible to do the same for this. How that plays out in-game? I don't know. Pretty cool immersion, though!
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I'm pretty sure that Stroker1 is smiling ear to ear with this one. No more complaints on channel saying "I really need a bombing % in my gv."
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hell that thing looks cool,
i just may up a GV
now where are those darn things?
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Originally posted by Krusty
True... However, have you noticed that HTC models in dispersion with bomb drops? Drop the externals in a Ju88 (salvo 4) and watch them. They scatter BIG time, even crossing paths in opposite directions.
It's possible to do the same for this. How that plays out in-game? I don't know. Pretty cool immersion, though!
You can adjust the dispersal with the .delay command.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You can adjust the dispersal with the .delay command.
ack-ack
I think he is saying the lateral dispersion not front to back.
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Originally posted by Sloehand
Hanomag Sd.Kfz. (Sonderkraftfahrzeug) 251/1-II -
Rocket launcher variant to the halftrack armored fighting vehicle, called "Stuka zu Fuß" (Walking Stuka) or Wurfrahmen 40, equipped with six side mounted frames (Wurfrahmen) for launching 280mm or 320mm "Wurfkoerper" rockets
Okay, we can call it the Stuka-Crawler.
Much easier to say than alkjdowijeskj-251 in town. :D
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Oh, and by the way..... WTG Hitech.
I can't wait for all these new editions to come out. The suspense of getting to drive some of these is agonizing! :aok
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Originally posted by Raptor
What is it's top speed?
If it is anywhere near the M3 then I have a feeling the M3 will start to see little use
Actually I see the M3 as getting alot more use.
How much ord can it carry besides whats being fired?
If only the 6 in the launchers its almost a certainty that an M3 escort will be highly desired to re arm.
My real question is how do you range the damn thing?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually I see the M3 as getting alot more use.
How much ord can it carry besides whats being fired?
If only the 6 in the launchers its almost a certainty that an M3 escort will be highly desired to re arm.
My real question is how do you range the damn thing?
The same way as the rockets in PT boat. So practice, practice, practice... ;)
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nooo, as i understand they have a few settings, but wont be aimable like our pt's rockets.
maby it will have what our guns have, vs. convergence for range.
600 800 1k 1.2k 1.4k so on and so forth.
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Originally posted by Bronk
What, African or European halftrack? :D
what? I don't know that.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh hhhh
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Originally posted by Krusty
Totally off-topic, but you're saying a thin metal shell and some fins weigh 125lbs or so?
I find that a little hard to believe.
I believe the 500 lb bomb in the USAF weighed about 570 pounds..so it's
right in the neighborhood Krusty.
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The p39 makes a lot more sense now.
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Point 90 deg upward and kill vulchers at 6k ? :)
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With this little gem (that ive asked for in the past) and the new LTAR toy its going to be really really hard to stay away :D
Now i want the Ju52. thx
Oh and Hitech.. try the Macallan. Gives you the same buzz, just as good and is cheaper for your customers ;)
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keep bribing HTC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:aok :aok
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Originally posted by zoozoo
keep bribing HTC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:aok :aok
We have all agreed that you should get the ball rolling and send the first crate.
*tap-tap-tap*
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Waiting to hear the complaints of the first guy to have the poor luck of running his plane through an intersecting path with one of the rockets lol.
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28-cm Wurfkörper? I'm already in love with it...
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1718/happynesstq6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Originally posted by HiTech
What is your name?
GowGow
Originally posted by HiTech
What is your Quest?
To get the He-111
Originally posted by HiTech
What is your favorite plane?
B-25. Wait! No! It's the Ki-84!!! aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!oneone!!!
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looks like a beast wonder how it will work out loking foward to the new patch:D
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We call it the Zu Fu.
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"Halftrack" works better.
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Originally posted by NCLawman
Okay, we can call it the Stuka-Crawler.
Much easier to say than alkjdowijeskj-251 in town. :D
I guess we'll simply call it using the icon HTC will provide... I bet on 251! ;)
Originally posted by that high flower child.........
It's the Ki-84!!! aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!oneone!!!
Keep your hands off my plane!!!! :furious
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Originally posted by Airscrew
I know they're mortars.... you misunderstood....
I meant that with the 251 we could now have a towable 88 field gun
251 could not pull the 88. Need a heavy truck for that. It would be kool to have one of the smaller ATGs to tow behind it :D
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You can't control the rockets like you can on the PT boat. In the hangar, you can choose between 23° or 45° angles, but once you launch the rockets are fixed.
The 23° setting intersects some aspects of AH gameplay in interesting ways. 23° will give you a range of 1000 yards which is also the range where plane range icons switch to fine granularity. It takes about 7.5 seconds from launch to impact at that range whereas it takes just over 8 seconds for a plane to complete its start sequence and begin rolling after a spawn.:noid
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:noid
:t
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Originally posted by GooseAW
251 could not pull the 88. Need a heavy truck for that. It would be kool to have one of the smaller ATGs to tow behind it :D
I was going to argue with ya, but then realize that I suffer from CRS and thats probably what I remember seeing and building a model of when I was a kid , an anti-tank gun
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Originally posted by Pyro
You can't control the rockets like you can on the PT boat. In the hangar, you can choose between 23° or 45° angles, but once you launch the rockets are fixed.
The 23° setting intersects some aspects of AH gameplay in interesting ways. 23° will give you a range of 1000 yards which is also the range where plane range icons switch to fine granularity. It takes about 7.5 seconds from launch to impact at that range whereas it takes just over 8 seconds for a plane to complete its start sequence and begin rolling after a spawn.:noid
:lol Awesome, that will save us a lot of trial and error. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Pyro
You can't control the rockets like you can on the PT boat. In the hangar, you can choose between 23° or 45° angles, but once you launch the rockets are fixed.
The 23° setting intersects some aspects of AH gameplay in interesting ways. 23° will give you a range of 1000 yards which is also the range where plane range icons switch to fine granularity. It takes about 7.5 seconds from launch to impact at that range whereas it takes just over 8 seconds for a plane to complete its start sequence and begin rolling after a spawn.:noid
23degrees or 45degrees. Or is it from 23 to 45 and everything in between or just those two settings?
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23° or 45°
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dumb question how do you do the degrees thing.
*ducks and covers* :noid :noid
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
dumb question how do you do the degrees thing.
*ducks and covers* :noid :noid
I guess when choosing weapons loadout, something like:
- 10 Troops
- 1 Airfield Supply
- 10 GV Supplies
- 6 280mm Rockets @ 45°
- 6 280mm Rockets @ 23°
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Originally posted by Lusche
I guess when choosing weapons loadout, something like:
- 10 Troops
- 1 Airfield Supply
- 10 GV Supplies
- 6 280mm Rockets @ 45°
- 6 280mm Rockets @ 23°
the SDKFZ-251 also comes with a box of GV supplies all ready so you can reload your rockets.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
the SDKFZ-251 also comes with a box of GV supplies all ready so you can reload your rockets.
Has anyone from HTC confirmed this will be included when we get the Sdkfz or is this just another thing you're pulling out from where the sun doesn't shine?
ack-ack
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The photos of the vehicle I have seen suggest that you should be able to carry a re-load of at least 10 mortars if you select them in the hangar.
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Originally posted by Lusche
You can't make a bombshell much thinner:
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9740/sc250bu1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Used as depth charges also?
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Originally posted by VonMessa
Used as depth charges also?
In this case "Wasserbombe" is a bit misleading. It's not meant to be used as a classical depth charge against submarines but against all kind of ships "Seeziele" = naval targets, with hits in the water close to the vessel's side resulting in vast destructions below the waterline.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Has anyone from HTC confirmed this will be included when we get the Sdkfz or is this just another thing you're pulling out from where the sun doesn't shine?
ack-ack
Greebo has and that's as good as your going to get. I don't know why he would lie about something like that. And the SDKFZ did have the ability to reload on the rockets, if you seen in the youtube video around page 2 or 3.
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I missed Greebo saying that. Was this ingame or something?
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Originally posted by Pyro
The 23° setting intersects some aspects of AH gameplay in interesting ways. 23° will give you a range of 1000 yards which is also the range where plane range icons switch to fine granularity. It takes about 7.5 seconds from launch to impact at that range whereas it takes just over 8 seconds for a plane to complete its start sequence and begin rolling after a spawn.:noid
Great. Just what we needed......... :noid
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Pyro's quite devious Gianlupo.... Beware his wrath!
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Lusche, I defer to your expertise. Please tell me if I have this correct (see below).
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9740/sc250bu1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us) [/B][/QUOTE]
for use against train stations, train tracks, overpasses, underpasses, large buildings, buried to an 8 m. depth with a modified headring for use against surface targets or also as depth charge (with Triple 106) produced in three different grades and in different production methods for different uses or implementations, also with basic threaded rod (M 90x3) for attaching a telescoping fuse, Trumpet of Jericho and with electronic incendiary bombs in the employment as depth charges without and/or with standard tail unit
And if I am pretty close.......
Trumpets of Jericho? If that is the case....
Please let me order a dozen of these for JG11 to include the screaming, train busting ordinance.
Also weren't these called "Walking Stuka's" as well.
Literal translation would be "special strength vehicle" if I am correct.
No matter how you look at it,
In der Tat eine Sache vieler Schönheit!!
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Originally posted by VonMessa
Lusche, I defer to your expertise. Please tell me if I have this correct (see below).
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9740/sc250bu1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
for use against train stations, train tracks, overpasses, underpasses, large buildings, buried to an 8 m. depth with a modified headring for use against surface targets or also as depth charge (with Triple 106) produced in three different grades and in different production methods for different uses or implementations, also with basic threaded rod (M 90x3) for attaching a telescoping fuse, Trumpet of Jericho and with electronic incendiary bombs in the employment as depth charges without and/or with standard tail unit
And if I am pretty close.......
Trumpets of Jericho? If that is the case....
Please let me order a dozen of these for JG11 to include the screaming, train busting ordinance.
Also weren't these called "Walking Stuka's" as well.
Literal translation would be "special strength vehicle" if I am correct.
No matter how you look at it,
In der Tat eine Sache vieler Schönheit!!
Before a few readers are getting confused, this is still about the SC-250 aerial bomb, not the SdKfz 251's rockets ;)
Your translation is correct, though I wouldn't translate "Wasserbombe" literally in this case, for the reasons I pointed out earlier.
YOu are also correct on "Trumpets of Jericho". Early in the war this kind of siren was sometimes added to bombs:
(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2420/sc50jerichoei0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Aha!! I knew you would know.
Danke.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
Greebo has and that's as good as your going to get. I don't know why he would lie about something like that. And the SDKFZ did have the ability to reload on the rockets, if you seen in the youtube video around page 2 or 3.
Where did he post this or did he tell you this in game?
Just because the video showed it could carry it's own supplies in real life, it doesn't necessarily mean it will have the same option in AH.
ack-ack
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The real loadout....
(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/waffle/crggnmore.jpg)
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Originally posted by Waffle
The real loadout....
(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/waffle/crggnmore.jpg)
That would finally explain the facial expression :D
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Originally posted by Waffle
The real loadout....
(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/waffle/crggnmore.jpg)
Things are gonna get ugly. HT will be in a fearful rage now, Waffle's gonna get sacked so no new planes and Pyro's gonna be sitting at the end of the runway vultching people! Whats superfly gonna be doing?
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Originally posted by Waffle
The real loadout....
(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/waffle/crggnmore.jpg)
:lol
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I don't know what the 251 loadouts will be. What I have said is that the rockets are set up as a weapons pylon in the skin viewer, so the vehicle is designed so it can be run without the rockets (see below). Logically this ought to mean it can carry troops and supplies like the M3 and I can't think of a single reason why it should not. Whether the supplies will include rocket reloads I have no idea.
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots4/Sd_Kfz_251_SC1.jpg)
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Originally posted by Krusty
Pyro's quite devious Gianlupo.... Beware his wrath!
Bah! The only thing I'm risking, right now, are six (plus alleged reloads) 55 Kg rocket bombs on my head...... :D
Waffle, yo're da King of the Photo Edit! :aok
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It's like Greebo says, the rockets are loaded independently of troops or supplies. You can resupply yourself but you don't get as many vehicle supplies as the M3.
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Originally posted by Pyro
It's like Greebo says, the rockets are loaded independently of troops or supplies. You can resupply yourself but you don't get as many vehicle supplies as the M3.
That is one theory and it may end up beeing like that, but we will have to wait for the release and see.
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That's true but it's the best theory I've seen so far.
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Not a bad one either
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I wonder if Nilsen noticed to whom he was replying? :D
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I wonder if krusty knows if i do too.
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I couldn't tell if you were being playful or absent minded... :p
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;)
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I missed Greebo saying that. Was this ingame or something?
Yes, i was privet messaging him.
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Originally posted by Pyro
That's true but it's the best theory I've seen so far.
Back to the grindstone with ye, sir. Keep the cool toys coming.
:aok :aok :aok
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The skin is very well done.