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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Urchin on February 28, 2008, 08:12:12 PM
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I've flown this a little bit in the furball lake area of the DA, and in the AvA, and I have had it do some odd things on me.
It seems as if it stalls much differently than other Spits.. almost like a floating leaf type stall that is difficult to recover from. The P-40B has the same feeling for me.
Does anyone else have similar experiences with those planes? The Hurricane I is rock solid, by comparison.
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I thoroughly enjoy flying the Spit 1. When diving I rarely stall it, as I dive inverted.
Best Spit IMO.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I've flown this a little bit in the furball lake area of the DA, and in the AvA, and I have had it do some odd things on me.
It seems as if it stalls much differently than other Spits.. almost like a floating leaf type stall that is difficult to recover from. The P-40B has the same feeling for me.
Does anyone else have similar experiences with those planes? The Hurricane I is rock solid, by comparison.
Lets just say the negative G engine cut out and the fabric ailerons take a bit of getting used to.
Fun bird though. Haven't run into the stall you talk about. But then again my wing is usually flying off before I reach that point :)
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Originally posted by Urchin
It seems as if it stalls much differently than other Spits.. almost like a floating leaf type stall that is difficult to recover from.
Actually, I have found it impossible to recover from this stall. Happens when you're inverted and slow, typically at the top of a loop. I used to be able to get the same thing in a 38G, but that hasn't happened in awhile.
There are a number of people who refuse to fly the Spit I for this reason (looks sideways at Dedalos). If you're careful about it, usually you can avoid it.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Actually, I have found it impossible to recover from this stall. Happens when you're inverted and slow, typically at the top of a loop. I used to be able to get the same thing in a 38G, but that hasn't happened in awhile.
There are a number of people who refuse to fly the Spit I for this reason (looks sideways at Dedalos). If you're careful about it, usually you can avoid it.
- oldman
other planes do the same stall.. 110 is another and huri 1 will do it too.. Seems to mainly be planes that are under powered. It typically happens at the top of a stall when you don't have enough energy to continue the loop over.
Spit 1 and Huri 1 are real tough to get out of that spin. Simply because the engine wont start to help you out.
so if you are inverted, go engine off and point the stick forward. Try to get the nose to bounce so you and get into a diffrent spin and you should be able to pull out.
You can pull out of it once you know how.
see this topic I had the same question a while back.. :D
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219237&highlight=inverted+stall
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Originally posted by Urchin
I've flown this a little bit in the furball lake area of the DA, and in the AvA, and I have had it do some odd things on me.
It seems as if it stalls much differently than other Spits.. almost like a floating leaf type stall that is difficult to recover from. The P-40B has the same feeling for me.
Does anyone else have similar experiences with those planes? The Hurricane I is rock solid, by comparison.
i actually had a spit9 do that yto me the other day in MA..........first time it ever took me 10,000 feet to recover a stall...........no matter what i did, the nose wouldn;'t drop for me....working throttle, rudder, even flaps............in the end i recovered, and the guy had followed me all the way down(he never shot at me in the stall) <> oldman......but once recovered, he proceeded to continue kicking my azzzzzz..........
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I thought this was the famous spit stall. I have done it in a mostly pure loop, but most of the time it seems like more of an accel stall right at the edge of a pure stall. The solution is to watch your speed, and don't get target fixation and try a vertical maneuver without the speed to complete it. You have to be a lot smoother on the controls when slow in the spit; you cannot throw it around with abandon like you can when you have some speed.
I have lots of practice failing to recover. The only thing that has ever worked was to drop flaps, and as they come down drop gear and raise the flaps back up to get the nose to bounce. I do not cut the engine. If the flaps were already out, get them up and cycle the gear. Once you can get the nose down, apply just enough back pressure to keep the engine running, or to get it to refire if it has cut off. If the engine has been off long enough, you may need to restart it. Regardless you will need a bunch of altitude or even more luck to recover, and now your enemy has a huge E advantage. I rarely recover, so that's not much of an issue.
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I had exactly this in a spit IX yesterday for the first time, couldnt recover it in over 9000' although got close a coupla times. its weird, feels like the spitty flat-spin which I can usually deal with but with no fwd motion to help out.
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I've had the exact same thing happen to me in other Spits. It happens if you are slow and inverted then stall.
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Am I the only who nevers stalls a spit? Sure I do do it on purpose sometimes, but never just stall out accidentally. :p
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Originally posted by Latrobe
Am I the only who nevers stalls a spit?
Beginning to sound like it.
You must fly Spits a lot.
- oldman
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How did you guess!!!! :O
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I've had the exact same thing happen to me in other Spits. It happens if you are slow and inverted then stall.
see..this is the thing.....i was slow, as i was trying to turn inside a hurricane(ya, i know i should've known better), but wasn't inverted...i was in approximatly a 50-60 degre banked turn riding the stall, as we all do in spits, hurris, zekes, etc.....then suddenly, i wasn't flying anymore, i was falling....agonizingly slow too:rofl
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Originally posted by Urchin
I've flown this a little bit in the furball lake area of the DA, and in the AvA, and I have had it do some odd things on me.
It seems as if it stalls much differently than other Spits.. almost like a floating leaf type stall that is difficult to recover from. The P-40B has the same feeling for me.
Does anyone else have similar experiences with those planes? The Hurricane I is rock solid, by comparison.
It is liquid cooled engine, u will notice if u go to steep, or climb 2 fast your engine will cut out.... dont fly the spit 1, its garbage lol
-BigBOBCH
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Originally posted by redman555
It is liquid cooled engine, u will notice if u go to steep, or climb 2 fast your engine will cut out.... dont fly the spit 1, its garbage lol
-BigBOBCH
err liquid cooled engines are fine with climbs... i think you mean carburetor based fuel system vs injection....
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Originally posted by redman555
dont fly the spit 1, its garbage lol
-BigBOBCH
You really think so? You'd be in the tower many times against me in a Spit 1.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Actually, I have found it impossible to recover from this stall. Happens when you're inverted and slow, typically at the top of a loop. I used to be able to get the same thing in a 38G, but that hasn't happened in awhile.
There are a number of people who refuse to fly the Spit I for this reason (looks sideways at Dedalos). If you're careful about it, usually you can avoid it.
- oldman
lol, Spit V is the same way. You do not want to stall upside down in a spit. It just floats to the earth perfectly balanced. Flaps, gear, engine, try anything, that thing always remain perfectly balanced. The funniest part is that for it to happen, you must be nose down first
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Originally posted by dedalos
lol, . The funniest part is that for it to happen, you must be nose down first
and that makes no sense, as that's pretty much what ya need to get air flowing over the control surfaces.........
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After this discussion, I did some stalls offline to demonstrate what I was talking about.
Picture Hangar was down, so I could not post some films of recovery. That's fixed now.
Note that I could only induce the stall once without the flaps out, and that took about 30 minutes of attempts.
I was also surprised at just how difficult it was to induce the stall. Basically I needed to be slow, flaps down, nose high, and apply aggressive cross-control inputs to make it happen. I also recovered less than 10% of the time from 10K+ starting altitude.
Here are 3 successful recoveries that may help the rest of us that do stall these things:
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1144_1204999132_spitistallrecovery01.ahf (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1144_1204999132_spitistallrecovery01.ahf)
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1144_1204999177_spitiinvstallrecovery02.ahf (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1144_1204999177_spitiinvstallrecovery02.ahf)
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1144_1204999206_spitiinvstallrecovery03.ahf (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1144_1204999206_spitiinvstallrecovery03.ahf)
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I haven't looked at your films yet, but I can generally recover the Spit I when I get it into the floating leaf stall. The advice someone posted about dropping the gear seems to work for me. I raise the flaps, drop the gear, the nose will come down after a couple seconds. Whats really wierd is the engine usually doesn't have to be manually restarted, even though it will be cut out for 3-5 seconds.
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Ahh the floating leaf stall, another fine reason to stick to well-made German Iron.
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Couple occasions I've come across Spit I in MA it's always been entertaining. Mainly because they latch onto your six like a lost puppy and after that it sounds like your sitting in a tin shed during a hail storm. Not sure if it's the lack of proper convergence or not but eventually the hail stops and you step outside.
<<S>> to all Spit/Hurr I pilots must be as frustrating as using a screw driver when you need a spanner at times.
<S>...-Gixer