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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: FT_Animal on February 29, 2008, 02:16:59 AM
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Stolen suggestion from KKen's thread about Day\Night Arena, modified.
I know I won't be saying anything that prolly hasn't been said 1000 times already. I haven't roamed this neck of the woods in quite a while.
I know there are issues among the masses about Night and Weather. OTOH to pull it seems to cater to the Gamers, while at the same time taking away from the Simmers. Both elements exist. While some things may not fit well in other areas it would be a great thing to still have the option to experience the game's\sim's full potential at some time or another. To remove it from the everyday player is sort of an injustice to big picutre. Like pulling a section from a ring and still expecting it to be never ending.
An arena that rotates different environment each day, or the likes of.
Examples
Monday - 4 hour Day\Night cycles.
Tuesday - Weather cycles
Wednesday - Free Flying (no perks) or Jet Day
Thursday - 4 hour Day\Night cycles + Weather cycles
First off, IMO, search lights would add a new (almost required) element to anything to do with Night time. This would fill a big hole in Night time and require team work and make things much more interesting. I'm sure I am missing a lot of things here, since I am a reborn newbie to AH.
This arena could also be a testing ground, a way to acquire research data, or showcase special items in the game, new and old. Things that have great value but whined out of the main arenas or existence. If used correctly it could also be a Marketing tool. Especially giving newbies a chance to play the game with it's full potential, a dose of real eye candy. And remove monkies off the backs of some who still like these items. By rotating the area you would not have to worry about filling it 24/7 based on one single idea. It would condense those certain players in there on certain nights,... one night a week.
Just a thought.
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He speaks of this thread:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=227946
May have been misplaced, wasn't certain, as I stated.
Just a new idea on an "old issue" that would please the masses and not harm or effect others' ability to play and do their thing.
If you go there, read the whole thing. Please. It's not the "same old thing".
I'd like to think it's a way, the only way IMO, that night time is doable.
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com
High Flight (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/highflight.wmv) | Tequila Benefits (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/Alcohol_Warning.mp3)
http://www.look-at-ewe.com
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I'd love to see a rotation of daytime into nighttime. As it is now (Unless changed after H2H closed) Dusk immediately jumps to Dawn when the sun sets instead of going into nighttime. It would be nice if we could have an actual 24 hour environment instead of 12.:)
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But it really should be proportioned to night like the MA is to daytime. Maybe an hour of daylight (max) would be cool, but I am inclined to think having mostly dawn, dusk and night gives it that extra flavor that we don't have now. My selling point is for the option for everyone to have that opportunity as they see fit..and not really have to even "wait an hour" for the sun to go ... er down :)
for the option I proposed
(http://www.kkenshome.com/arenalist.jpg)
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com
High Flight (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/highflight.wmv) | Tequila Benefits (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/Alcohol_Warning.mp3)
http://www.look-at-ewe.com
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I think that having (moderately) realistic weather and/or night time would be excellent additions to an additional arena, one which might aim to produce a fuller immersion in AH.
IMO, the lack of weather and night time are two key factors that limit AHII's realism more than any other current factor.
Yossarian
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Originally posted by Yossarian
I think that having (moderately) realistic weather and/or night time would be excellent additions to an additional arena, one which might aim to produce a fuller immersion in AH.
IMO, the lack of weather and night time are two key factors that limit AHII's realism more than any other current factor.
For even more immersion, AvA with weather and night. Imagine Luftwaffe Nightfighters taking on Lancs over Germany, or night bombing of London during the blitz.
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Originally posted by K-KEN
But it really should be proportioned to night like the MA is to daytime. Maybe an hour of daylight (max) would be cool, but I am inclined to think having mostly dawn, dusk and night gives it that extra flavor that we don't have now. My selling point is for the option for everyone to have that opportunity as they see fit..and not really have to even "wait an hour" for the sun to go ... er down :)
for the option I proposed
(http://www.kkenshome.com/arenalist.jpg)
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com
High Flight (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/highflight.wmv) | Tequila Benefits (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/Alcohol_Warning.mp3)
http://www.look-at-ewe.com
along with that night time arena 199/200 how about combat tour arena 599/800?
:D :aok
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
Stolen suggestion from KKen's thread about Day\Night Arena, modified.
I know I won't be saying anything that prolly hasn't been said 1000 times already. I haven't roamed this neck of the woods in quite a while.
I know there are issues among the masses about Night and Weather. OTOH to pull it seems to cater to the Gamers, while at the same time taking away from the Simmers. Both elements exist. While some things may not fit well in other areas it would be a great thing to still have the option to experience the game's\sim's full potential at some time or another. To remove it from the everyday player is sort of an injustice to big picutre. Like pulling a section from a ring and still expecting it to be never ending.
An arena that rotates different environment each day, or the likes of.
Examples
Monday - 4 hour Day\Night cycles.
Tuesday - Weather cycles
Wednesday - Free Flying (no perks) or Jet Day
Thursday - 4 hour Day\Night cycles + Weather cycles
First off, IMO, search lights would add a new (almost required) element to anything to do with Night time. This would fill a big hole in Night time and require team work and make things much more interesting. I'm sure I am missing a lot of things here, since I am a reborn newbie to AH.
This arena could also be a testing ground, a way to acquire research data, or showcase special items in the game, new and old. Things that have great value but whined out of the main arenas or existence. If used correctly it could also be a Marketing tool. Especially giving newbies a chance to play the game with it's full potential, a dose of real eye candy. And remove monkies off the backs of some who still like these items. By rotating the area you would not have to worry about filling it 24/7 based on one single idea. It would condense those certain players in there on certain nights,... one night a week.
Just a thought.
While I hoped a Night Arena would be best, this solution, with weather, a 24 hour cycle of day and night, may be still an option and not off the table.
I hope it might contains many options, even seasonal things :) Some killer maps from scenarios might even be cool, Stalins 4th had the neatest towns and Vehicle bases. I recall DGS was a winter wonderland! hehehe
All in all, a good idea as well. (maybe even better!)
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com
High Flight (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/highflight.wmv) | Tequila Benefits (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/Alcohol_Warning.mp3)
http://www.look-at-ewe.com
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Originally posted by opposum
along with that how about combat tour arena 599/800?
:D :aok
hehehe I wouldn't count that one out either.....
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com
High Flight (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/highflight.wmv) | Tequila Benefits (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/Alcohol_Warning.mp3)
http://www.look-at-ewe.com
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Originally posted by K-KEN
While I hoped a Night Arena would be best, this solution, with weather, a 24 hour cycle of day and night, may be still an option and not off the table.
I hope it might contains many options, even seasonal things :) Some killer maps from scenarios might even be cool, Stalins 4th had the neatest towns and Vehicle bases. I recall DGS was a winter wonderland! hehehe
All in all, a good idea as well. (maybe even better!)
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com
High Flight (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/highflight.wmv) | Tequila Benefits (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/Alcohol_Warning.mp3)
http://www.look-at-ewe.com
The only other thing I could suggest upon this idea at this time would be that the arena rotation avoids weekend events to some degree, if successful. Don't make it too interesting that it draws from events. ( I don't think that's a problems as of yet)
If I had to slap a sign on it it would probably be read "Extreme Environments Arena" or EEA.
It's my thought that this idea could make things interesting when other things that stay the same become somewhat redundant.
If you don't have something new\fresh all the time, people tire and interest tends to fade. It can takes weeks to come up with new effects or concepts. A rotating arena will aid in keeping things somewhat new or different on a steady basis. It should also free up creative resources to be implemented somewhere else in the game. Instead of beating head against wall to retain interest in a not so popular area.
It's not that I am saying "this is THE idea" it's A idea. I'm not going to beat it up or down. I'm not going to whine the loudest until it comes true. I'm not going to battle it out with negative input or whiner types. If the power of suggestion doesn't work then nothing will. IMO, If you have to pound the ground to make it happen it's probably not that well thought out and needs convincing to cover empty bases, I call those false positives or politics. While they may sell they don't produce return\happy customers. A good idea never needs a protest, it just makes sense on it's own.
I would hope that it at least be honestly considered.
If you like the idea, support it. If you don't then you're probably just not part of the target audience, no need to waste bandwidth to distract from a subject that doesn't effect you. If you have better ideas spill them.
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
The only other thing I could suggest upon this idea at this time would be that the arena rotation avoids weekend events to some degree, if successful. Don't make it too interesting that it draws from events. ( I don't think that's a problems as of yet)
If I had to slap a sign on it it would probably be read "Extreme Environments Arena" or EEA.
It's my thought that this idea could make things interesting when other things that stay the same become somewhat redundant.
If you don't have something new\fresh all the time, people tire and interest tends to fade. It can takes weeks to come up with new effects or concepts. A rotating arena will aid in keeping things somewhat new or different on a steady basis. It should also free up creative resources to be implemented somewhere else in the game. Instead of beating head against wall to retain interest in a not so popular area.
It's not that I am saying "this is THE idea" it's A idea. I'm not going to beat it up or down. I'm not going to whine the loudest until it comes true. I'm not going to battle it out with negative input or whiner types. If the power of suggestion doesn't work then nothing will. IMO, If you have to pound the ground to make it happen it's probably not that well thought out and needs convincing to cover empty bases, I call those false positives or politics. While they may sell they don't produce return\happy customers. A good idea never needs a protest, it just makes sense on it's own.
I would hope that it at least be honestly considered.
If you like the idea, support it. If you don't then you're probably just not part of the target audience, no need to waste bandwidth to distract from a subject that doesn't effect you. If you have better ideas spill them.
Nice job expanding on it. I'll support any "radical" ideas for change, as you know. :)
When Combat Tour (CT) gets off the ground and running, it may have that sort of impact and may include many of the things or ideas expressed. We do not know. HTC has put many man-hours into CT and may have a plan and purpose for many things not discussed or implemented to date. I trust their judgement and, like it or not, fully support their decisions.
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com | http://www.kkenshome.com
High Flight (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/highflight.wmv) |Tequila Benefits (http://www.kkenshome.com/media/Alcohol_Warning.mp3)
http://www.look-at-ewe.com
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If you like the idea, support it. If you don't then you're probably just not part of the target audience, no need to waste bandwidth to distract from a subject that doesn't effect you. If you have better ideas spill them.
I believe your mass target audience has not spoken.
HiTech
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Don't waste your bandwidth. ;)
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Originally posted by hitech
I believe your mass target audience has not spoken.
HiTech
Maybe out of fear of reprisal? Or "continued" rejection? :)
Just saying...
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Originally posted by K-KEN
Maybe out of fear of reprisal? Or "continued" rejection? :)
Just saying...
If you fear rejection on the BB's then you have some serious emotional issues.
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Originally posted by Motherland
If you fear rejection on the BB's then you have some serious emotional issues.
I have no fear of rejection, but maybe those who are absent do! That is why I said it!
That said, we all have emotional issues...we play a game that breeds them! :rofl
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Originally posted by K-KEN
I have no fear of rejection, but maybe those who are absent do! That is why I said it!
That said, we all have emotional issues...we play a game that breeds them! :rofl
People against something will always be louder then those for the same thing.
Me thinks that the lurkers alone who aren't posting but a once in awhile approval speaks louder then the lack of "NO" fanatics. IF this was a super bad idea, this thread would be beat to death.
How can you possibly have a complaint about a button you don't need to press? I can't even invent one.
Lets see what the seed grows into, which I think HT's point is. If it were a bad idea we'd had our "will never happen" already
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Not that I play anymore (sorry, two children under the age of two means daddy doesn't play anything without a 'pause' key) but here's a radical idea:
People's choice arena.
Every so often a poll goes up in the arena and folks respond with what arena type they want
Poll can go up either via UI pop-up or radio announce message ("Voting is open for the next 5 minutes, for night arena send "Vote 1" , for storm arena send "Vote 2")
Once polls close, arena switches to that "mode" for the next hour or so.
If you want the changes to happen more fluidly, set it up so that there's a "change / keep" vote first, but that happens more often (and silence = keep)
Choices for everything up to (but not including) plane sets could be set up. I say plane sets, just because folks may not relinquish their uber planes after the polls close :t
I should mention the two stage voting (change / keep) followed by "which setup" has been working great on counterstrike servers and the like for many years now.
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I'd like day/night cycles. It would add immersion to the game, that is, if immersion is the right word. Weather would be cool too, but I'd settle for fog, and wind.
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Originally posted by hitech
I believe your mass target audience has not spoken.
HiTech
I think I just soiled myself.
:aok
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YES YES YES!
Make an arena, make it realistic, make it day and night, make it windy, make it rainy and make it ORANGE!
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Originally posted by MORAY37
I think I just soiled myself.
:aok
What, not again... a word of inspiration for you:
"Depends"
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Originally posted by lemur
Not that I play anymore (sorry, two children under the age of two means daddy doesn't play anything without a 'pause' key) but here's a radical idea:
People's choice arena.
Every so often a poll goes up in the arena and folks respond with what arena type they want
Poll can go up either via UI pop-up or radio announce message ("Voting is open for the next 5 minutes, for night arena send "Vote 1" , for storm arena send "Vote 2")
Once polls close, arena switches to that "mode" for the next hour or so.
If you want the changes to happen more fluidly, set it up so that there's a "change / keep" vote first, but that happens more often (and silence = keep)
Choices for everything up to (but not including) plane sets could be set up. I say plane sets, just because folks may not relinquish their uber planes after the polls close :t
I should mention the two stage voting (change / keep) followed by "which setup" has been working great on counterstrike servers and the like for many years now.
HAR Lemur,
Good take on this idea. I don't know that the "switch" can be made that rapidly, might be a Tour specific poll or "weekly" thing. It would also support or not support an idea or vision that might be perceived as "fading fast" or the best thing since....er "sliced bread"! May be the kind of feedback needed to grow as a "community".
In my Night Arena idea, I had mentioned a poll before even administering it.
While HT squashed that Night Server idea, and I realize "Night Only" would not fulfill the "need" for a new arena. This concept and subsequent proposals do have merit, IMHO, and may be worthy of investigation, polls, and implementation possibilities.
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What, not again... a word of inspiration for you:
"Depends"
Well obviously we know what he's all about. May not know personally, but I've seen it a million times, nothing new. No substance, no reason why, nothing shocking here, ignore the nonsense.
How dare us try to put a different face on it beside the same ol pleasing the aohell chat room types.
I look at it this way...
Anyone can win a half a game when it's stripped down from a whole sim. If you really need to strip half the sim down to be able to "win" over someone better then you, then you probably feel the same about beating a one armed man with a broken leg. "No" People usually carry fear challenge in their back pockets. The "game" is not so easy when you have realistic variables huh? Turn it up to 11 and hand them a kleenex.
<shrug> whata ya gonna do?
Keep pushing, ignore the scared ones, they'll get ya killed.
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Interesting new thing with these new Boards. This thread has been viewed/touched 354 times as of this post. Talk about a "silent" minority. "What were they thinking" .... comes to mind. :confused: I think a Poll for these ideas might be better than any response or lack of one here. Maybe I am wrong, too. I know only 1% or 2% of people actually respond to some polls, maybe it's the same in AH. Seems that there are the ("we")few fanatics contributing here on both sides of an issue, while everyone else is basically indifferent. Interesting to know it got that many folks' attention. (certainly my 5-10 views included) Can we, really, measure an idea now based on these "facts"? I don't read a thread unless it catches my attention in the subject line. Is that the same for others? I think so.
Still, the silence does make me wonder. <shrugs>
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I support this :aok