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Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Mace2004 on February 29, 2008, 03:25:38 PM
I’m having a bit of a problem.  I have a Dell XPS/Windows XP SP2 that I use in conjunction with TrackIR 4 and Saitek X52pro and pedals.  The original video card was an Nvidia 6800 (just straight 6800, not GT, GTO, etc.) with 265M RAM.  The computer had one G of RAM.  

This has been a pretty good setup for AH with only a few problems.  There were occasional stutters in the usual situations (lots of AC, low alt, smoke, etc.) which were not too disturbing but I wanted to get rid of them.  Frame rates were usually around 60 dropping to 30-45FPS low down.  More significant for me was that I had stutters with TIR as I looked around.  This seemed to be more of a problem when flying aircraft with “birdcage” canopies with numerous canopy bows and this happened all the time.  It was distracting to have TIR stutter as different bows moved into view.  I was running with your recommended settings including Anti-aliasing off, no pre-loading of textures, etc., and just accepted the problems I mentioned but finally decided to upgrade with the new Nvidia 9600GT / 512MB and maxed out my XPS with 4GB RAM.  

With AA off and the card set to Performance vice Quality settings (most of the fancy card features off) I actually have more problems than with my previous set up.  I ensured I have the latest Nvidia drivers and have tried overclocking the 9600 (to 750MHz core/975MHz memory) and, while the card runs fine and is stable I still have what is, at best, only equal to what I had before and many times worse.  I still have TIR stutters (I've tried setting TIR priority to "higher than normal").  Any suggestions?

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System Information
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Time of this report: 2/29/2008, 16:18:16
       Machine name: MACE2004
   Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.                
       System Model: Dimension XPS                
               BIOS: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A03
          Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz (2 CPUs)
             Memory: 3070MB RAM
          Page File: 584MB used, 3864MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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  DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
      Display Tab 1: The file nv4_disp.dll is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL).  You may be able to get a WHQL logo'd driver from the hardware manufacturer.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
          Music Tab: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.
        Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D:    0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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        Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT
     Manufacturer: NVIDIA
        Chip type: GeForce 9600 GT
         DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
       Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0622&SUBSYS_C8623842&REV_A1
   Display Memory: 512.0 MB
     Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
          Monitor: SyncMaster 226BW(Digital)
  Monitor Max Res: 1680,1050
      Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
   Driver Version: 6.14.0011.7416 (English)
      DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
 Driver Date/Size: 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 5963776 bytes
      WHQL Logo'd: No
  WHQL Date Stamp: None
              VDD: n/a
         Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 6788448 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4562-11CF-0A47-69E800C2CB35}
        Vendor ID: 0x10DE
        Device ID: 0x0622
        SubSys ID: 0xC8623842
      Revision ID: 0x00A1
      Revision ID: 0x00A1
      Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
 Deinterlace Caps: {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
         Registry: OK
     DDraw Status: Enabled
       D3D Status: Enabled
       AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
 D3D7 Test Result: Not run
 D3D8 Test Result: Not run
 D3D9 Test Result: Not run
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Mace2004 on February 29, 2008, 03:26:17 PM
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Sound Devices
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            Description: SB Audigy 2 ZS Audio [CCC0]
 Default Sound Playback: Yes
 Default Voice Playback: Yes
            Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0004&SUBSYS_20061102&REV_04
        Manufacturer ID: 1
             Product ID: 100
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
         Driver Version: 5.12.0001.1196 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: Yes
          Date and Size: 8/11/2006 13:45:38, 499584 bytes
            Other Files:
        Driver Provider: Creative
         HW Accel Level: Full
              Cap Flags: 0xF5F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 4000, 192000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 64, 62
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 64, 62
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: Yes
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
               Registry: OK
      Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
---------------------
            Description: SB Audigy 2 ZS Audio [CCC0]
  Default Sound Capture: Yes
  Default Voice Capture: Yes
            Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
         Driver Version: 5.12.0001.1196 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
          Date and Size: 8/11/2006 13:45:38, 499584 bytes
              Cap Flags: 0x41
           Format Flags: 0xFFF

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DirectMusic
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        DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
     DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
    Acceleration: Enabled
           Ports: SB Audigy 2 ZS DirectMusic Synthesizer [CCC0], Hardware (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
                  SB Audigy 2 ZS Audio [CCC0], Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
                  Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  SB Audigy 2 ZS Synth A [CCC0] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  SB Audigy 2 ZS Sw Synth [CCC0] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  SB Audigy 2 ZS Synth B [CCC0] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  SB Audigy 2 ZS MIDI IO [CCC0] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, External
                  Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  SB Audigy 2 ZS MIDI IO [CCC0] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Input, No DLS, External
                  Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
        Registry: OK
     Test Result: Not run

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DirectInput Devices
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      Device Name: Mouse
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Saitek Magic Hotkey Device
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x5081
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Saitek X52 Pro Flight Controller
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x0762
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x1
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x0763
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: TRIPP LITE UPS
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x09AE, 0x2005
        FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
         Registry: OK

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USB Devices
-----------
+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x265B
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 57600 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 8/4/2004 06:00:00, 4736 bytes
|
+-+ USB Human Interface Device
| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x09AE, 0x2005
| | Location: TRIPP LITE UPS
| | Matching Device ID: usb\class_03
| | Service: HidUsb
| | Driver: hidclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:08:20, 36224 bytes
| | Driver: hidparse.sys, 8/3/2004 23:08:18, 24960 bytes
| | Driver: hid.dll, 8/4/2004 06:00:00, 20992 bytes
| | Driver: hidusb.sys, 8/17/2001 14:02:20, 9600 bytes
| |
+-+ USB Human Interface Device
| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x1241, 0x1166
| | Location: USB Device
| | Matching Device ID: usb\class_03&subclass_01
| | Service: HidUsb
| | Driver: hidclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:08:20, 36224 bytes
| | Driver: hidparse.sys, 8/3/2004 23:08:18, 24960 bytes
| | Driver: hid.dll, 8/4/2004 06:00:00, 20992 bytes
| | Driver: hidusb.sys, 8/17/2001 14:02:20, 9600 bytes
| |
| +-+ HID-compliant mouse
| | | Vendor/Product ID: 0x1241, 0x1166
| | | Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| | | Service: mouhid
| | | Driver: mouclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:58:34, 23040 bytes
| | | Driver: mouhid.sys, 8/17/2001 12:48:00, 12160 bytes

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Gameport Devices
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+ Intel(R) 82801 PCI Bridge - 244E
| Location: PCI bus 0, device 30, function 0
| Matching Device ID: pci\ven_8086&dev_244e
| Service: pci
| Driver: pci.sys, 8/4/2004 00:07:48, 68224 bytes
|
+-+ Creative Game Port
| | Location: PCI bus 4, device 1, function 1
| | Matching Device ID: pci\ven_1102&dev_7003&subsys_00401102
| | Service: gameenum
| | Driver: gameenum.sys, 8/3/2004 22:08:22, 10624 bytes
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Mace2004 on February 29, 2008, 03:27:50 PM
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PS/2 Devices
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+ Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 8/4/2004 06:00:00, 52736 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:58:34, 24576 bytes
|
+ HID Keyboard Device
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| Driver: kbdhid.sys, 8/3/2004 21:58:36, 14848 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:58:34, 24576 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 02:01:08, 40840 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:58:34, 24576 bytes
|
+ HID-compliant mouse
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| Service: mouhid
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:58:34, 23040 bytes
| Driver: mouhid.sys, 8/17/2001 12:48:00, 12160 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 02:01:08, 40840 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:58:34, 23040 bytes

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DirectPlay Service Providers
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DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 IPX Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Internet TCP/IP Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
IPX Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Modem Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Serial Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)

DirectPlay Voice Wizard Tests: Full Duplex: Passed, Half Duplex: Passed, Mic: Passed
DirectPlay Test Result: Not run
Registry: OK

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DirectPlay Adapters
-------------------
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM1
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Wireless Network Connection - IPv4 -

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DirectPlay Voice Codecs
-----------------------
Voxware VR12 1.4kbit/s
Voxware SC06 6.4kbit/s
Voxware SC03 3.2kbit/s
MS-PCM 64 kbit/s
MS-ADPCM 32.8 kbit/s
Microsoft GSM 6.10 13 kbit/s
TrueSpeech(TM) 8.6 kbit/s

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DirectPlay Lobbyable Apps
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Flight Simulator (DX8) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: FS9.Exe (9.00.0000.30612) LauncherFile:  ()
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 (DX7) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: FS9.Exe (9.00.0000.30612)

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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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      Drive: C:
 Free Space: 104.6 GB
Total Space: 149.7 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: ST3160023AS

      Drive: D:
      Model: PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8631
     Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 06:00:00, 49536 bytes

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System Devices
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     Name: Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 266F
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_266F&SUBSYS_01761028&REV_03\3&172E68DD&0&F9
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/17/2001 14:51:52, 3328 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:59:42, 25088 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:59:44, 95360 bytes

     Name: Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM SMBus Controller - 266A
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_266A&SUBSYS_01761028&REV_03\3&172E68DD&0&FB
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM PCI Express Root Port - 2662
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2662&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_03\3&172E68DD&0&E1
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:07:48, 68224 bytes

     Name: Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM PCI Express Root Port - 2660
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2660&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_03\3&172E68DD&0&E0
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:07:48, 68224 bytes

     Name: Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 265C
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_265C&SUBSYS_01761028&REV_03\3&172E68DD&0&EF
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 06:00:00, 26624 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 142976 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 01:56:48, 74240 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 57600 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\hccoin.dll, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 06:00:00, 7168 bytes

     Name: Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265B
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_265B&SUBSYS_01761028&REV_03\3&172E68DD&0&EB
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:38, 20480 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 142976 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 01:56:48, 74240 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 57600 bytes

     Name: Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265A
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_265A&SUBSYS_01761028&REV_03\3&172E68DD&0&EA
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:38, 20480 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 142976 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 01:56:48, 74240 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 57600 bytes

     Name: Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2659
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2659&SUBSYS_01761028&REV_03\3&172E68DD&0&E9
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:38, 20480 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 142976 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 01:56:48, 74240 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 57600 bytes

     Name: Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2658
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2658&SUBSYS_01761028&REV_03\3&172E68DD&0&E8
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:38, 20480 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 142976 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 01:56:48, 74240 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 57600 bytes

     Name: Intel(R) 82801FR SATA AHCI Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2652&SUBSYS_01761028&REV_03\3&172E68DD&0&FA
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\iaStor.sys, 4.05.0000.6515 (English), 6/29/2004 12:17:16, 477952 bytes

     Name: Intel(R) 82801FB LPC Interface Controller - 2640
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2640&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_03\3&172E68DD&0&F8
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\isapnp.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/17/2001 14:58:02, 35840 bytes

     Name: Intel(R) 925X PCI Express Root Port - 2585
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2585&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_04\3&172E68DD&0&08
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:07:48, 68224 bytes

     Name: Intel(R) 925X Memory Controller Hub - 2584
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2584&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_04\3&172E68DD&0&00
   Driver: n/a
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Mace2004 on February 29, 2008, 03:28:23 PM
Name: Intel(R) 82801 PCI Bridge - 244E
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_244E&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_D3\3&172E68DD&0&F0
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:07:48, 68224 bytes

     Name: D-Link AirPlus DWL-G520 Wireless PCI Adapter(rev.B)
Device ID: PCI\VEN_168C&DEV_0013&SUBSYS_3A131186&REV_01\4&10416D21&0&18F0
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\A3AB.sys, 3.00.0000.0044 (English), 10/22/2003 15:27:10, 344800 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DWLInst.dll, 1.00.0001.21216 (English), 1/27/2003 17:29:54, 24576 bytes

     Name: Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_14E4&DEV_1677&SUBSYS_01761028&REV_01\4&1D7EFF9E&0&00E0
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\b57xp32.sys, 7.73.0000.0000 (English), 5/29/2004 18:41:54, 186112 bytes

     Name: Creative Game Port
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_7003&SUBSYS_00401102&REV_04\4&10416D21&0&09F0
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\gameenum.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 22:08:22, 10624 bytes

     Name: OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_4001&SUBSYS_00101102&REV_04\4&10416D21&0&0AF0
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\ohci1394.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:10:10, 61056 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\1394bus.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:10:08, 53248 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nic1394.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 06:00:00, 61824 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\arp1394.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 06:00:00, 60800 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\enum1394.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/17/2001 14:46:40, 6400 bytes

     Name: Creative SB Audigy 2 ZS (WDM)
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0004&SUBSYS_20061102&REV_04\4&10416D21&0&08F0
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ksuser.dll, 5.03.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:56:44, 4096 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ksproxy.ax, 5.03.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:56:58, 130048 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ks.sys, 5.03.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 22:15:22, 140928 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\drmk.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 22:08:00, 60288 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\portcls.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 22:15:50, 145792 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\stream.sys, 5.03.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 22:08:04, 48640 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\wdmaud.drv, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:56:58, 23552 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ctac32k.sys, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:14, 502272 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ctaud2k.sys, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:38, 499584 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ctoss2k.sys, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:24, 116224 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ctprxy2k.sys, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:40, 7168 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ctsfm2k.sys, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:18, 143872 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\emupia2k.sys, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:18, 78336 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ha10kx2k.sys, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:26, 766976 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\haP16v2k.sys, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:26, 154112 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\haP17v2k.sys, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:28, 180224 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ha20x2k.sys, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:32, 1110016 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\pfmodnt.sys, 3.00.0000.0012 (English), 8/11/2006 13:56:36, 8192 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctdlang.dat, 8/11/2006 13:49:24, 323640 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctdnlstr.dat, 8/11/2006 13:49:24, 44567 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctstatic.dat, 8/11/2006 13:43:04, 313207 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctdaught.dat, 8/11/2006 13:43:04, 53932 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\a3d.dll, 80.00.0000.0003 (English), 8/11/2006 13:56:28, 33792 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\commonfx.dll, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:48:08, 87552 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctaudfx.dll, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:48:12, 536576 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctsblfx.dll, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:48:32, 548352 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\cteapsfx.dll, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:48:28, 160768 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\CTEXFIFX.dll, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:48:42, 1170432 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\CTHWIUT.DLL, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:48:52, 61952 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\CT20XUT.DLL, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:48:50, 158720 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctemupia.dll, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:48:52, 108032 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\piaproxy.dll, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:16, 73728 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctdproxy.dll, 5.12.0001.1196 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:34, 71680 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\sfman32.dll, 5.12.0001.0130 (English), 8/11/2006 13:45:20, 21504 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctbas2w.dat, 8/11/2006 13:45:08, 140643 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctsbas2w.dat, 8/11/2006 13:43:26, 265042 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\SBAudigy.ico, 8/17/2001 11:42:28, 7406 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\Audigy.bmp, 11/13/2001 08:48:20, 1912 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctcoinst.dll, 3.00.0002.0036 (English), 8/11/2006 13:57:04, 81920 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctdvinst.dll, 0.04.0000.0036 (English), 8/11/2006 13:57:06, 146432 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ctdvda2k.sys, 5.13.0001.0467 (English), 11/10/2005 16:06:04, 340704 bytes

     Name: NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0622&SUBSYS_C8623842&REV_A1\4&16EC1A1&0&0008
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nv4_mini.sys, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 6788448 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nv4_disp.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 5963776 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 155716 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvapi.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 409600 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcuda.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 1126400 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvoglnt.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 8605696 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcpl.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 13500416 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmctray.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 86016 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvwddi.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 81920 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvnt4cpl.dll, 6.14.0010.11153 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 286720 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmccs.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 229376 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvdisps.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 6561792 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvgames.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 3448832 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmccss.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 188416 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmobls.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 1245184 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvvitvs.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 3768320 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvwss.dll, 6.14.0011.7416 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 2621440 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\help\nvcpl.hlp, 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 177897 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\help\nvwcplen.hlp, 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 55444 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcod.dll, 1.00.0000.0035 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 35840 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcodins.dll, 1.00.0000.0035 (English), 2/19/2008 16:35:00, 35840 bytes

     Name: Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_104C&DEV_8024&SUBSYS_01761028&REV_00\4&10416D21&0&38F0
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\ohci1394.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:10:10, 61056 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\1394bus.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:10:08, 53248 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nic1394.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 06:00:00, 61824 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\arp1394.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 06:00:00, 60800 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\enum1394.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/17/2001 14:46:40, 6400 bytes
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Mace2004 on February 29, 2008, 03:29:53 PM
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d3dpmesh.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 34816 bytes
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dpmodemx.dll: 5.03.2600.2180 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 23552 bytes
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dpnlobby.dll: 5.03.2600.2180 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 3584 bytes
 dpnaddr.dll: 5.03.2600.2180 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 3584 bytes
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dpvsetup.exe: 5.03.2600.2180 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 83456 bytes
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dpnhpast.dll: 5.03.2600.2180 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 35328 bytes
dpnhupnp.dll: 5.03.2600.2180 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 60928 bytes
dpserial.dll: 5.00.2134.0001 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 53520 bytes
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diactfrm.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 394240 bytes
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   gcdef.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 76800 bytes
     pid.dll: 5.03.2600.2180 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 35328 bytes
gameenum.sys: 5.01.2600.2180 English Final Retail 8/3/2004 22:08:22 10624 bytes
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dsound3d.dll: 5.03.2600.2180 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 06:00:00 1294336 bytes
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Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: TwinBoom on February 29, 2008, 04:06:16 PM
i have the basic same setup xps with 8800gts

1st thing i notice is xp only recognizes 3gigs
having micro stutters when new planes spawn

roy thinks it may be a driver bug well see try removing 1 gig though
in the meantime
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Tigger29 on February 29, 2008, 04:12:34 PM
A couple of possibilities come to mind:

1>  Power supply.. might just not be strong enough for your video card, especially if it's the original one (Dell isn't known for providing the best power supply with their units)

2>  Processor... this is a generation or two old, and although 3.4GHZ is very quick, this isn't known to have the best performance

3>  HEAT... these processors are known for getting very, very hot, and if there is any junk packed into the heatsink, or if the fan isn't functioning 100%, you're going to have problems.  Add in the extra load from the uber video card, and you may be just asking for problems.
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Tigger29 on February 29, 2008, 04:14:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by TwinBoom
i have the basic same setup xps with 8800gts

1st thing i notice is xp only recognizes 3gigs
having micro stutters when new planes spawn

roy thinks it may be a driver bug well see try removing 1 gig though
in the meantime



YES, the 32 bit edition of XP will only recognize up to 3 gigs of ram.

I also experience micro-stutters when coming into view of many planes at once... I'm kind of assuming it's due to hard drive access, pulling skins files up, but it happens so quick it's not usually an issue
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Mace2004 on February 29, 2008, 06:45:26 PM
Thanks a bunch for the inputs guys.

The 3G limit is a head slapper.  Original documents, the Dell upgrade website etc., all say up to 4G (which I guess is technically correct).  The DOS setup during boot shows 4G but I see the System Properties and DXDIAG show 3070MB.  Lucky RAM is so cheap otherwise I'd be pissed.  I will remove 1G to see if that has any impact but I'd have to assume that XP is just going to ignore it anyway.  Here's the fine print from the manual:  Your computer supports a maximum of 4 GB of memory when you use four 1-GB DIMMs. Current operating systems, such as Microsoft® Windows® XP, can only use a maximum of 4 GB of address space; however, the amount of memory available to the operating system is less than 4 GB. Certain components within the computer require address space in the 4-GB range. Any address space reserved for these components cannot be used by computer memory.  Quite frankly this means nothing to me but the DXDIAG only shows 3G.

Heat does not seem to be a problem at all.  The XP CPU has a pretty good dual fan cooling design with large radiator (a clean one at that) and shroud over the CPU.  Both CPU fans work well as well as do the three other case/PS fans and, although there are no temperature reporting for the CPU, I've never had any stability problems.  The graphics card temps are actually fairly low even though I've overclocked it.  I ran a stress test for 6 hours (with and without the overclocking) and had no reported problems and temps stayed well in line.  Stutter is present when I first start AH and gets no worse during extended periods of play so it just doesn't seem to be heat related.

The XP's power supply is fairly decent at 460W.  Minimum PS wattage required for the 9600GT is 400W.  The system is basically stock but I do run both an X52Pro, Rudder Pedals, and TrackIR via the stock USB ports.  I seriously doubt they suck a lot of wattage.  Again, I had no problems during the 6 hour stress test.  What other indications would I see indicating I'm maxing out the PS?

As I've looked for potential issues, I did not remove the original 6800 drivers.  The install program for the 9600 drivers implied it removed the old drivers as part of the new install, how do I check this and remove them manually if necessary?
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Rolex on February 29, 2008, 09:31:06 PM
Hi Mace,

How about this:
Preload textures into memory at start of game.
Set AA @ 4x to push the card a little more. Sometimes they run better at higher settings.
Disable any anti-virus software running.
Reduce sound hardware acceleration by one notch in DxDiag.
Try using FSAutostart  (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/rolex/fsauto11.zip) to free up system resources and launch AH. Configure it to shut down unneeded programs and services and then restart per the advice given during mouseover of each running program or service. You then launch it, it will shut down everything as configured, then launch AH. I'm not sure, but Dell may load up some extra applications that could be reducing performance.

You can try some of these, and revert back if you don't find any improvement.
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: 715 on February 29, 2008, 09:33:28 PM
I would suspect you are CPU limited and that's why upgrading your graphics card didn't help much.  I have a 2.8GHz P4 (only a bit slower than yours) and upgrading from a very old ATI 9600XT graphics card to a much faster 7600GT did not improve fps at all under most circumstances.  Like me, I suspect you are CPU limited.

(By the way, it says "2 processors" but that is a lie.  The P4 had something called Hyper Threading (or something like that) that tried to make a single processor act like two.  It was essentially all hype and useless.  It has only a single processor.)
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Boozebag on March 01, 2008, 08:50:00 AM
Mace,
Google search Driver Cleaner its free. Also with 3g of RAM your memory is in single channel in stead of duel channel, performance hit. 2 or 4 sticks of same memory duel channel. 1 and 3 or any mixed memory single channel.
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: TwinBoom on March 01, 2008, 10:21:42 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Boozebag
Mace,
. Also with 3g of RAM your memory is in single channel in stead of duel channel, performance hit. 2 or 4 sticks of same memory duel channel. 1 and 3 or any mixed memory single channel.


More detail please
i have 4 slots dimm1. 1gig dimm3. 1gig  dimm2. 512  dim4. 512
in dual symetric mode is this wrong? should i move other 1 gig too dimm2
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Mace2004 on March 01, 2008, 12:07:55 PM
TB has an intersting question.  I have 1g in each of the four slots although I'm going to try to get to it today to try pulling 1g so I have 3g total.  However, I have two 512MB from the original installation.  Which is better?  

--Leave in all four 1G DIMMs knowing XP only sees 3G?  
--Remove 1G leaving 3 1G DIMMs in slots 1,2 and 3?
--Leave 2 1G DIMMs in slots 1/3 and 512MG DIMMs in slots 2/4?  
OR
--just settle with 2 1G SIMMS in slots 1/3?

BTW, I downloaded Driver Cleaner and it worked great.  Looks like all my old drivers are vaporized but I haven't had a chance yet to check performance.  Maybe the old drivers we causing the issues.

I've tried AA set to 4x (and also tried 2x) as Rolex suggested but its worse and so AA is back to off.  TB got me last night but that was only due to ahhh....stutter.  Yeah, that's it!

I have anti-virus off and use FS but doesn't seem to make much difference.
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: TwinBoom on March 01, 2008, 12:51:45 PM
mace u can get a PS 650watt for bout 40.00 on ebay
650watt PS (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-DELL-XPS-Gen5-650W-Power-Supply-NPS-650AB-FC031_W0QQitemZ110229262145QQihZ001QQcategoryZ116287QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262)
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Mace2004 on March 01, 2008, 04:11:59 PM
Thanks TB but I checked and I have a 4-pin P2 while the 650W has an 8-pin so I don't think it would work without some sort of rewiring.  I'm actually very curious about the possibility of upgrading my MoBoard but I hear Dell uses lots or proprietary connectors.  I don't think much will really help unless I can find a way to stick in a Duo Core.  A plan could be to go with the 650W PS and find a Gen 5 Moboard and processesor.
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Krusty on March 01, 2008, 11:13:03 PM
I believe all 9600GTs are 2.0 x16 architecture. Unless you have a motherboard that came out in the past couple of months, you're just using a basic x16.

What motherboard do you have?

Chances are it may not even support this video card (some 8800s also use 2.0 x16, as do the new 3870s I covet)
Title: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Boozebag on March 02, 2008, 01:25:23 AM
Quote
Originally posted by TwinBoom
More detail please
i have 4 slots dimm1. 1gig dimm3. 1gig  dimm2. 512  dim4. 512
in dual symetric mode is this wrong? should i move other 1 gig too dimm2

From what I understand to run Dual Channel all memory sticks have to match, whether you want to use 2 or 4 sticks; ie. same speed and same size. If sticks don't match, or if you run an odd number of sticks your running Single Channel. On my MB for Dual Channel to work with 2 sticks they need to be in ether slots 1&3 or 2&4. I've been told that 4 of the same 1G sticks in XP works in Dual Channel even though it will not use all the memory, but I don't know this to be fact. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: 1701E on March 06, 2008, 11:11:39 AM
Which is better? 

--Leave in all four 1G DIMMs knowing XP only sees 3G? 
--Remove 1G leaving 3 1G DIMMs in slots 1,2 and 3?
--Leave 2 1G DIMMs in slots 1/3 and 512MG DIMMs in slots 2/4? 
OR
--just settle with 2 1G SIMMS in slots 1/3?

As with most if not all Dells you can't use option 2
--Remove 1G leaving 3 1G DIMMs in slots 1,2 and 3?
Dells have 2 banks of 2 for RAM, and so you must have 1 in each bank to use that bank. example 1gig in slot 1 and 3, and 2 and 4.  With 1 and 3, and 2 the 2 slot would not recognize it.  Also what model of XPS is it? (maybe i missed it).
Title: Re: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Mace2004 on March 06, 2008, 01:02:04 PM
As with most if not all Dells you can't use option 2
--Remove 1G leaving 3 1G DIMMs in slots 1,2 and 3?
Dells have 2 banks of 2 for RAM, and so you must have 1 in each bank to use that bank. example 1gig in slot 1 and 3, and 2 and 4.  With 1 and 3, and 2 the 2 slot would not recognize it.  Also what model of XPS is it? (maybe i missed it).
It's an XPX Gen 4.  Just so I'm clear, if I have 1G in slots 1, 2 and 3, it won't see the 1G in slot 2?  If that's the case, and there really is a problem being caused by have 4G then I'm ultimately limited to 2G.  Do I have that correct?
Title: Re: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: BaldEagl on March 06, 2008, 01:18:49 PM
Leave all 4 1 gig sticks in.  It will run in dual channel, even though it only recognizes 3 gigs.  Pulling 1 you go to single channel.

32 bit O/S's only recognize 3-3.5 gigs of RAM.  64 bit O/S's recognize more than any consumer motherboard currently offers although 64 bit systems are not compatible with a lot of older legacy HW and SW.

[EDIT]  I've heard that Dell uses a lot of proprietary connectors, particularily in connection with the PSU.  To update your PSU you may also have to update the Mobo. 

Also, as someone already mentioned, unless that Dell has PCIe x16 2.0 slots (probably not) you're only realizing half the output that your card is capable of.
Title: Re: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: 1701E on March 06, 2008, 01:44:12 PM
Okay i didn't know it was XPS "Gen 4" those don't use Banks for RAM so it reads RAM in individual slots not banks.  As for Dual channel: you need the exact same types of RAM ex: Kingston pc-3200ddr, but if you put 1 of those and a YNY pc-2700ddr in Dual channel is not active.  Also you must have the identical sticks of RAM in the same color slots (ex: i have 2.5GBs ram the 2 1GB sticks go in the purple and the 512 in green)
Title: Re: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Hamltnblue on March 06, 2008, 04:15:10 PM
A couple of things.
1. Uninstall the drivers and re-install the latest ones (found at www.guru3d.com)
2. Do the same with audio drivers.
3. If you have a USB hub, get the trackIR off of it. (will cause the stutter)
4. If you have USB headsets, try regular headsets. USB headsets caused my stutter in a higher rated system than yours.
5. Turn off system restore, Indexing, auto updates, and automatic virus scans.
6. If you have Norton Anti-virus or anything else Norton, uninstall it. (It sucks and taxes the system)(WWW.avast.com free antivirus that works great)
7. Good Luck and See ya around
Ham
Title: Re: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: AKDogg on March 06, 2008, 04:49:10 PM
Guys, before removing your Ram cards, u should first find out if your system runs Dual channel.  Usually u can tell just by the ram card slots on the MB.  Since u guys have 4 ram slots, they usually color code the ram slots.  2 slots will be 1 color while the other be a different color.  More then likely, u guys have a system that can run Dual chn mode if this is the case.  It will only run Dual chn mode though if u have eith 1 pair fille or both pairs filled.  If u take out only 1 card, your system will run single chn which will make your system run slower.

As for the Video card problem with the 9600GT, I believe u need a PCIe 2.0 (New PCIe) slot and by looking at your system, u only have a PCIe 1.0 (original PCIe).  If this the case, u are possibly choking the card as it may require that PCIe 2.0 in order to work properly.  Choking meaning it needs the bandwidth that PCIe 2.0 has which is 16 GBps. PCIe 1.0 is at 8 GBps I believe.  So basically u are only using half the card if this is the case.  Surprised it even works if u have a old PCIe slot.
Title: Re: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: BaldEagl on March 06, 2008, 05:08:50 PM
PCIe x16 1.0 and 2.0 are forward and back compatible but nonetheless, if it's not in a 2.0 slot it's only using half it's output (the device and the slot will work together but at the lowest common denominator... in this case 1.0).
Title: Re: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: Krusty on March 06, 2008, 07:23:24 PM
1.0 isn't forwards compatible from some comments I've read. Lot of folks with 1.0 slots trying to run 2.0 cards and complaining "it doesn't work" or "it's worse than <insert really old card here>" on newegg reviews. I've been reading them all week. Funny thing is, folks with new 2.0 mobos are praising these new 2.0 cards without fail. You might be able to power it up and run, but it's not running full speed in 1.0, if running at all (some review/reports of 2.0 cards seemed like operator ignorance).

Plus, throw in Dell? Bah, they can't do anything right (and by that I mean "standard"), so I would seriously doubt the 9600GT will ever perform well on the Dell.


My $0.02
Title: Re: Nvidia 9600GT issues
Post by: BaldEagl on March 06, 2008, 07:44:13 PM
OK... I lied.  There are some compatibility issues with certain video cards and the 1.0a slots IIRC.  Although that sounded like a rare match-up, I'm guessing with all the new NVidea 2.0 cards it's suddenly becoming more common.

[EDIT]  I've been reading those reviews all week too.  A lot of those sounded like PSU issues to me.  IIRC you need at least 28 amps on the 12V rails.  The documentation with the 9700 GT cards calls for a 400 W PSU but not many 400 W PSU's carry 28 amps, thus a lot of system black-outs as the card starts to demand power.  To make matters worse, multi-rail PSU's with a total of 28 amps don't nessesarily deliver 28 amps.  I'm still waiting to order my new system (probably this weekend) and am looking at a 610 W single rail PSU (49 amps) just to make sure there's no issues like this.