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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: angelsandair on March 01, 2008, 02:43:07 AM
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Well, this seems to be going on 200 all the time.
Someone will pick someone, they will yell at them. Okay no big deal right?
Well then someone will ho someone and they will yell at eachother.
Well here is what happened with me it is pretty stupid, I'm just kind of flying along and a F4U1C kept trying to pick me. So I didnt want it to become a pick so i dove on an enemy on my friend. We start turning and while we are turning, i see him start diving on me. I got no E left, im turning with a plane and I'm about to get gangbanged. What can I do?? Well i just went nose up and blew that damn F4U1C out of the sky. THEN he calls me out on 200 saying that I'm a dirty HOing noob when fact is, HOing turned out to be my only defense, not to mention i got the 1c and the plane i was turning with. Not to mention i was flying a Spit VIII, how sad is that?? I somehow win a ho with a -1C while he is trying to pick me and he calls me out lol.
What do you think?
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What do you think?
I think dead people should keep their mouth shut.
Cherrypicking, HOing, ramming, gangbanging, or whatever it is that technically doesn't qualify as "cheating" or a gamebug "exploit", if the guy is dead and you're alive, then you're the winner.
When losers start mouthing off, its all self-explanatory why they are indeed, "losers".
So don't take heed, angelsandair.
Ignore the knumbnuts and have fun.
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After seeing the quality of text on it......I've turned off 200.
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Don't sweat it angels.
If it's the only option you've got the there is no shame in taking the HO.
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I try to avoid going on 200 just for poor gameplay. Ill bet I got HO'd at least a dozen times yesterday, most of which were 1 on 1, and If I went on 200 every time someone attempted to HO me then I'd never be able to play. This is mostly an HO game so spray everyone in the face you can, and their mothers. Cause they will no doubt do it to you.
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Do unto others, as they are about to do to you. Love it when outnumbered 9v1 all fighting over who can kill me 1st. Kill one or two before the eminent, and get called out for taking a ho shot.
Some people just don’t get it.
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Rule #2 - deal with the highest threat first.
(Rule #1 is don't ever get in front of the other guys guns)
IMO, what you should have done is engage the F4U1-C, and you use your (far) superior energy retention characteristics to bleed his energy until you could kill him without ever letting him get a shot on you.
Given that you let him go HO, you don't have anything to complain about.
Given that he let it get to an HO when he had all the cards, he has even LESS than nothing to complain about it.
200 is like watching a bunch of 10 year old boys argue amongst themselves about who's better with the girls - 30% noise, 30% posturing and 40% supposition and myth.
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[RANT] I'm not going to name any names but it always seems to be the same people that use this hypocritical whining on 200, and when you don't respond on 200 they PM you. Then when you say i won you lost, or tell them to stop whining, their first response is "Lets go to DA!" If you have to challenge someone to a DA that you probably will beat anyways, you need to get a life and realize this is just a game... [/RANT]
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Originally posted by angelsandair
Well, this seems to be going on 200 all the time.
Someone will pick someone, they will yell at them. Okay no big deal right?
Well then someone will ho someone and they will yell at eachother.
Well here is what happened with me it is pretty stupid, I'm just kind of flying along and a F4U1C kept trying to pick me. So I didnt want it to become a pick so i dove on an enemy on my friend. We start turning and while we are turning, i see him start diving on me. I got no E left, im turning with a plane and I'm about to get gangbanged. What can I do?? Well i just went nose up and blew that damn F4U1C out of the sky. THEN he calls me out on 200 saying that I'm a dirty HOing noob when fact is, HOing turned out to be my only defense, not to mention i got the 1c and the plane i was turning with. Not to mention i was flying a Spit VIII, how sad is that?? I somehow win a ho with a -1C while he is trying to pick me and he calls me out lol.
What do you think?
I think that's normal:aok Do what you want and fly however you want. If somebody is trying to pick you and you know they are....then your SA is improving and HO the MF...he'd probably do the same.
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bad guy con shoulda expected the ho. u won, he lost. i'm sure he was able to get another cartoon plane :aok
life goes on
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I say WELL DONE angels, he just got owned in his perk plane and theres alot of players that cant deal with that. You being in a spitVIII takeing out a 1-C is great. I get HO'd all the time cherrypicked all the time, its hard to get a co - alt straight up knife fight anymore. Kudo's angels dont let them bellyacheing on 200 get ya down.
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1. Thats why I keep 200 detuned. I don't care to see any lame crying from dead people.
2. If they PM you, offer to take them to the TA to show them how you did it.
3. If they challenge you to a DA duel, ignore them. They know you just killed them. I don't care to respond to such childish hair pulling.
Last tour, I repeatedly bombed a guy that kept coming at our town with a Flak pnzr. I would let him get close to town then drop eggs on him from a Mossie and kill him. After a couple times of this he PM'd me and said I had aimbot :lol I PM'd him back and offered to take him to the TA and show him how I dive bomb on GVs with a Mossie. It's called practice. No reply from him (imagine that).
As far a HO shots, sometimes you have no choice. Say you are flying a zeke or some other slow plane and some guy with a fast plane is BNZing you. You cannot get him to blow his E. He keeps screaming down on you at 450mph and you keep turning to avoid at 150mph. By the time you swing back to bring his plane into view, he is already 1k away and fading fast. Your only real hope is to turn into him and shoot him in the face on his next pass.
(Head on shots are mentioned in just about every WWII fighter novel I have....and I have ALOT of them. It was an actual tactic used by many and even perfected by a German squadron. One of the first well documented dogfight kills of a Me-262 that was shot down by a P-51 was done with a head on shot)
Prepare yourself for the crying that will surely ensue. He knows he had the discipline to not be lured into a turn fight and kept his E, he also knows there is no possible way you can play his game and E fight (your Zeke will compress at 400). He goes in holding all the cards and you end up wasting him....of course he is going to be sore. Ignore the crying.
Used correctly, it is a legitmate tactic. Using it as a primary tactic like on initial merge is lame. Using it for defence is survival.
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I also have turned off 200 recently because the only folks who use it are the loud and immature dweebs, who care more about the game than they do real life. That's GG...
HOing is part of the game. It can be effective sometimes in planes such as the Fw190a8 vs. say a Spit Mk1. A kill is a kill. They game never says anything like,"You cheaply shot down xxx." It says you shot them down. Let the game tell you who wins each fight, not the self-embarrassing whiners.
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There is a certain point where the gloves come off. HOing pickers is fine, picking vulchers is fine, vulching vulchers is fine.
I had a guys try to vulch me landing last night. He missed and ack gave him an oil leak in one engine. I reupped and chased him back to his base just in time to vulch him when he was landing. He then has the nerve to get an attitude about it:rolleyes:
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A picker is high and fast and hate it when it doesn't work for them. Low and slow shooting them in the face may be your only option. Killing them when they are in a four cannon bird frustrates them even more. Congratulations on the kill. :aok
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If Im in a massive furball or even a mid level one.Im gonna take the shot regardless of what angle.If I get a face shot while turn fighting and its a snapshot Im taking it.Its all about survival and as said above the HO was definetly used IRL.In a one on one merge no,I wouldnt take that shot and more than likely in a 1 on 1 fight overall I wouldnt.There some of the best fights out there but in a multi plane enviornment I'll take whatever I can.Let em cry on their capt crunch.200 is banned from my computer.:cry
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One night last week I was over an enemy base at ~6-8K in my Spit XVI with 5-6 enemys below me when I spotted 2 F4U's coming in from above me. I turned tail to them and hit WEP and sure enough they gave chase. As they hit ~1-1.5K I reversed in an Immelmann, and beat them trough the turn.
This set up a series of head on passes. These guys obviously didn't have knowledge of wingman tactics as the wingman stayed in lock-wing formation through the entire fight allowing me to maintain easy visual on both throughout.
So, back to the series of head-on passes. On the first pass they both tried to HO me but I rolled through it without a ping. On the second pass the first tried to HO and when I dove under the second couldn't line up for an attempt. On the third pass I finally said sc***w it and HO'd the leader who went down in a ball of flames, rolling past his wingman's HO attempt.
Then I dragged the wingman, out to avenge his buddies death, away from his field and friends then turned on him and killed him too (not a HO).
The moral of the story; just because the average guy tries to HO you you don't have to oblige but sometimes enough is enough.
BTW, after 2 more kills (a Spit XVI and a Spit V) I landed safely at home.
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Oh no I started the HO. But it was mainly because it was an easy opening for a gangbang. Plus I'm pretty happy with it, i got 6.75 perkies for killing 2 planes :p
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I think you did fine. I played with this for a while. 5 v 1 , enemy with alt advantage, ect ect. If he is diving on you and then your can get a quick gun solution that just happens to be a face full for the other go then so be it. Its an added bonus you got a perked plane.:aok
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I HO'd a 234 last night and was thrilled to do it. My biggest problem with it is during a real good dogfight some people will HO on the 3rd or 4'th pass, or try to, or try to setup for one. Why not just let the fight evolve and maybe learn from it?
Taunting and crying on 200 serves no end either. 99% of the time I just let it go.
Picking? Well if its an energy fighter why would you fly it any other way? Seriously who in their right mind would try and turn fight a zero in a 190? I have no problem with getting picked.
In the all of 1 month Ive been flying fighters I am still a little surprised at all the HO'ing that goes on. But...I would prefer to lose a fight and learn something then win a fight where Ive learned nothing.
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What do you think?
Detune 200.
P.S. good kill
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HOing is a dogfight maneuver, not many people know that. If you know someone is going to HO you then you can...
A) Also go for the HO and hope you win.
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B) Evade the HO and come back around on them.
If you lose with A then you took the risk and failed.
If you lose with B then you have failed to evade the HO by timing your move wrong, or the other guy was able to correct his course to get a hit on you.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
HOing is a dogfight maneuver
a HO is just a easy way out
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Originally posted by sunfan1121
a HO is just a easy way out
sometimes it's the ONLY way out :lol
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Why would you ever turn into a c-hog for a ho, that doesn't seem to smart.
Personally I don't ho, but I do expect it from every target I see.
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Originally posted by jerkins
Why would you ever turn into a c-hog for a ho, that doesn't seem to smart.
Personally I don't ho, but I do expect it from every target I see.
:huh
I was just evening out the playing field. Spit 8 vs. high 1c picking and a spit 16 turning with me. Not too many options. I could've ignored it and risked getting killed by him and went and killed the spixteen. OR I could have gone and HOed him and quickly made it 1 vs. 1 still, he could have pulled off the ho. And he was even madder because i landed the kills :p
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I think dead people should keep their mouth shut.
Cherry picking, HOing, ramming, gang banging, or whatever it is that technically doesn't qualify as "cheating" or a gamebug "exploit", if the guy is dead and you're alive, then you're the winner.
Amen!
Whats "cherry picking" when your the victim is just smart flying when your the aggressor. Whats HO (usually isn't a true HO) but is most often a front quarter shot in a maneuver fight or a hot merge when you have few other options. Usually its a direct result of choices you made.
If you died, you made a mistake someplace. Lose the ego and the blame and accept that you lost. But the good news is planes are free, so up another one and try again.
There is no way to "ram" and survive, and kill the other guy. We've been waiting for 5 years for film of that and have yet to see it. If you collided, again, its your fault. Grab another plane and try again.
If you died, yell all you want, but don't press the transmit button. Don't type it into the text buffer. We all have more than enough frustration and anger to deal with, we don't need or want yours. You earned it, keep it to yourself.
Now respect, that's something everyone can always use more of, so feel free to toss those 's out there. Doesn't matter if they earned them or not, it costs you nothing. Besides, you just won, so you can afford to be magnanimous in victory. And sending the guy you just killed a helps take the sting out of his defeat. Besides, isn't it better to send a than to get into a pissing match on 200 or private with him??
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Now respect, that's something everyone can always use more of, so feel free to toss those 's out there. Doesn't matter if they earned them or not, it costs you nothing. Besides, you just won, so you can afford to be magnanimous in victory. And sending the guy you just killed a helps take the sting out of his defeat. Besides, isn't it better to send a than to get into a pissing match on 200 or private with him??
Acually, I'd argue against sending a salute to an opponent unless it was something like a fight, or someone you know. Some guys in here get REALLY cheesed if you .S them after you kill them if they feel you didn't "earn" the kill - they feel you are rubbing it in. (or so I was told).
When I first started, I'd accidentally salute opponents because in a previous sim .s was short for ".send" - and more than once I had someone take the .S the wrong way.
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What Kweassa said.
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Seems to me if an enemy plane is filling my gun sight, I should probably pull the trigger before he does :cool:
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:D
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Originally posted by Alky
Seems to me if an enemy plane is filling my gun sight, I should probably pull the trigger before he does :cool:
And the sweet sound of them crying on 200 makes it all so much worth while.I only HO to see em cry likebabies :):aok