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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: chrish483 on March 02, 2008, 04:55:59 AM
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you guys know while in any tower you can hit F5 then F8 and use your hat switch on your stick to pan around a field. hit the Z key for a zoomed in view plus with the bracket keys to zoom in or out.
also it can be used while in a field gun or on a CV gun, shore battery.
nice little trick to look around, dont know if this is in a help file or not another member told me about this one. handy thing to use:aok
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LMAO:rofl
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Originally posted by Larry
LMAO:rofl
What's so funny?
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Originally posted by Donzo
What's so funny?
I know. :rofl
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:lol
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:huh
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Originally posted by Larry
LMAO:rofl
:rofl
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:lol
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:rofl
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:lol :rofl :eek: :lol
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When did This happen?...........How come it's not perked?
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by KTM520guy
When did This happen?...........How come it's not perked?
:rolleyes:
Perk a view or ability?
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ignore em chrish, took me a few months to find that out by word of mouth. AH isnt exactly the best documented app out there.
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Originally posted by RTHolmes
ignore em chrish, took me a few months to find that out by word of mouth. AH isnt exactly the best documented app out there.
One night on Donut... A few of us were defending a Vbase in tanks. One guy continously gaves us information on local vox "Antoher one up at spawn... there's one going behind that hill... watch it, next to you behind the woods there is someone waiting for you" and so on.
I really wondered how he was able to spot them all...
It took me three tours to discover that you could hop into manned ack and hit F5! :o :D
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Originally posted by Donzo
What's so funny?
Um because its been around as long as I can remember and I bet everyone has known about it just as long.
its kinda like making a thread saying:
"Hey guys did you know you can fly planes in this game. I mean wow a plane. Its ganna be usefull when those enemy planes are attacking our fields."
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Originally posted by Larry
Um because its been around as long as I can remember and I bet everyone has known about it just as long.
its kinda like making a thread saying:
"Hey guys did you know you can fly planes in this game. I mean wow a plane. Its ganna be usefull when those enemy planes are attacking our fields."
Um, you assume that everyone knows about it?
Why? Because you do and apparently have for some time?
As someone else pointed out, this is not something that is documented. So knowing about it only becomes a reality if you stumble on it yourself or someone tells you.
I applaud cherish for sharing something he thinks everyone could benefit from.
Yet you laugh at him
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Thanks for the tips chrish483,
I did not know that I could use it in the Shore Battery as well.
:aok
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Greed
Is the only reason you and other's did not know about it.
They do not want it fixed, they do not want to loose that advantage.
They do not consider it a bug because they use and exsploit it to gain the advantage. and after all (but the game lets me) is the only ground they have to stand on.
Yeah, this should not be, it is the very same reason you drive to a field, set yourself up to be ubber secret, and some player comes from nowhere, drives RIGHT out to you, and nail you with a few shots. (Thats with or without your shots giving you away).
That, is all the reasons of truth i can muster.
Sorry for the size, but it must be shown.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/BaDkaRmA158Th/bogus.jpg)
Green circle is my aaa gun, the purple is a tank (m8) by the train bridge.
the AAA guns could NOT shoot him as there rounds fall way short, and i could not even see him sue to hills and objects in my view path.
Anything that moves, i can see.
Highly unacceptable.
:Edit" if you think to yourself *i dont see a purple circle* it is there, that just go's to show how hard they should be to spot, and they are not.
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Guess what BaDkaRmA158Th...you can do the same thing by upping a fighter on the runway...which was just recently added (you could always do the same with bombers)
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MY POINT:Simply zooming out, you can see more of the field from a constant view, than you ever could flying even 3-4k above it "because your moving then"
I was able to spot the gv even before he started shooting, wanna know how?
Two tiny little pixels moved from (i assume) his .50 gun.
Something so small gave him away at a range most likely impossible to see while on the ground.
Can anyone realy say this is not one of the most (gamed) under spoken assets players use the most when defending fields from gv's. Think to yourself how many times you have drove a good long way, seein' no planes or gv's to give away your position, then miliseconds after your engines stop, you see two or three gv's fly out and head directly to you. No guess work, no scouting..just BAM, hi we know where you are.
The comedic thing is im not realy much for gv's but ill be darned if i see something that gives the other player the advantage, know about it and not speak up.
:confused:
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
The comedic thing is im not realy much for gv's but ill be darned if i see something that gives the other player the advantage, know about it and not speak up.
And you've known about it how long?
:confused:
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Originally posted by Donzo
Um, you assume that everyone knows about it?
Why? Because you do and apparently have for some time?
As someone else pointed out, this is not something that is documented. So knowing about it only becomes a reality if you stumble on it yourself or someone tells you.
I applaud cherish for sharing something he thinks everyone could benefit from.
Yet you laugh at him
Um if you didnt know about this your a noob, but even when I was a noob I knew about it.
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I used this little 'trick' to help direct CV fire on a town....
'you're long by 100"
"now, aim right 50"
If it can be used by both sides....what's the problem?
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Originally posted by Larry
Um if you didnt know about this your a noob, but even when I was a noob I knew about it.
Not a noob here my friend. I have known about this for quite a while.
My commentary had nothing to do with me knowing about it or not. It had everything to do with your ridiculing cherish.
But given your initial response and this one, I do not think that you will understand any of this.
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You can also do this in bombers. I don't think it's a bug. I think the various view modes were added intentionally, since they can be mapped to keys, and display messages in the buffer when they are selected.
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Can anyone realy say this is not one of the most (gamed) under spoken assets players use the most when defending fields from gv's. Think to yourself how many times you have drove a good long way, seein' no planes or gv's to give away your position, then miliseconds after your engines stop, you see two or three gv's fly out and head directly to you. No guess work, no scouting..just BAM, hi we know where you are.
Definately not the most gamed feature for defending a feild. Turning down detail, however, is.
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Originally posted by Donzo
And you've known about it how long?
:confused:
two days.
:Edit: yes and while the slider graphics detail issues has been solved and will be released in this next update.
can we say the same for the bird eye view?
And while the ability to see your target may be easy'er with graphics turned down, FINDING them was most likely done via, control tower or the aa guns, period.
and therein lies the real problem.
Even when you do sit on the runway in a plane, you must then climb out, find the target and attack them (after locating them) In a gv, you know where you spawn, where to turn where to go, where to aim your gun.
needless to say wehn i did figure this out, i was kinda in :O :cry
And while these views are possible from a bomber's view, they still are not ENABLED from a gv' standpoint, (why?) because it gives other gv's the advantage, so how is it not the advantage to give people defending the field the ability to goto the tower, or a gun, and see higher,further and more steady the incoming threats even planes have hard times with.
(does it give them the advantage?) is the only question. (yes)
Its not right, must be fixed.
And with the cv's (a little bias i know), but i can see the ability to zoom out to hit ground target via someone being the spotter, unless we get recon planes or scout planes any time soon, i guess its the only way, unless you rely on a fighter, who is probably to busy defending himself to worry about where some Cv guys guns are hitting.
For whatever its worth.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
You can also do this in bombers. I don't think it's a bug. I think the various view modes were added intentionally, since they can be mapped to keys, and display messages in the buffer when they are selected.
He's talking about using F5 and F8 to look around...not the different view modes.
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Originally posted by Donzo
He's talking about using F5 and F8 to look around...not the different view modes.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii244/AHhub/viewmodes.jpg)
Yes, Donzo, I know that. That is what I'm referring to, not the View Distance keys. This "exploit" is mapped by default, and works for bombers, fighters when on the runway, field and ship gunners, and those in the tower, and has for as long as I can recall, with the exception of fighters, for whom it was recently added.
It's the view distance modes that have the messages in the buffer, not those I'm referring to.
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Originally posted by Lusche
One night on Donut... A few of us were defending a Vbase in tanks. One guy continously gaves us information on local vox "Antoher one up at spawn... there's one going behind that hill... watch it, next to you behind the woods there is someone waiting for you" and so on.
I really wondered how he was able to spot them all...
It took me three tours to discover that you could hop into manned ack and hit F5! :o :D
I MISS THE DONUT MAP!!
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Thanks Chris - I knew about f5 but f8 is news to me. :cool:
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Its not the point of knowing or not knowing the F3-F4 views, its about how people can/do abuse them.
Simply put.
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another rook secret weapon added to my arsensal:p
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Originally posted by Rolex
I think your brand of sarcasm is clever most of the time, hub. It might be a little esoteric sometimes, but you probably like that.
Not everyone has been around as much as you, or is as quick as you are. The innocence of a new (and maybe young) person posting something they think is helpful, without sarcasm, doesn't have to be met with cynicism and a sense of elitism all the time, does it? I've read far more annoying topics than the original post.
I wouldn't be surprised if thousands of players do not know about external views from guns. Think about that... ;)
Any sarcasm was directly solely at Badfarma, and his claims that using the various view modes is somehow exploiting the game or abusing the features. I'm certainly growing more cynical (Does no one read the help files, or even look at the key mappings?! Kids these days, Jeez... ), but I wasn't attempting to mock anyone else, nor come across as elitist.
Thousands not knowing how external views work? I'll see your thousands, and raise you hundreds with regards to "Enemy Padlock" :)
Read the help files, people- it is worth the few minutes it takes. :aok
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My head was spinning after trying to digest bAdKaRmal33t-o-matics posts. I deleted it after rereading your posts and realizing it was Larry, not you, who was criticizing. My apologies.
There's a help file?
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Anything that moves, i can see.
Highly unacceptable.
Agreed.
If you want a birds eye view you should have to up
a scout plane.
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Yeah, you will actually be dumber after you read his posts, than you were before. As a case in point, I'm not sure now whether you're being serious about the Help files or not, so here you go regardless. :)
The Help Files (http://www.hitechcreations.com/frameset1.html?ahhelp/index.html)
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:rofl
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l.m.F.a.o. Hub you are a funny mo-fo man!.:D
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Originally posted by Larry
Um because its been around as long as I can remember and I bet everyone has known about it just as long.
its kinda like making a thread saying:
"Hey guys did you know you can fly planes in this game. I mean wow a plane. Its ganna be usefull when those enemy planes are attacking our fields."
ive been here for ages and didnt know
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Thanks for the tip!
Wobbly (a noob)
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You know I've done this in the TA for as long as I can remember.
Up my trusty D3a1 Val, sit on the end of the runway, and keep an eye on the skys at A1 while trolling for dweebs that shoot planes on the runway.
Its the easiest way to view the whole area at one time.
Have I ever used this in the main, nope, not once as far back as I can remember.
At least not since GV's have had no external view.
Its one of those things that may not be perfect, but its the same for everyone.
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Originally posted by Larry
Um if you didnt know about this your a noob, but even when I was a noob I knew about it.
must be a noob then, I did not know .. then again I'm never in a gun or gv
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Originally posted by Eagler
must be a noob then, I did not know .. then again I'm never in a gun or gv
You dumb noob go back to playing halo!:D
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I've been hear for over a year and didn't realize how that you could do this in a fighter when on the runway.
And I only in the past month or two realized you could do it at all.
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Originally posted by Larry
LMAO:rofl
If this were a card game with you at the table, you would have embarrassed yourself so very much.
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well like I said before its not a case of RTFM cus itn not in the FM.
also I dont think its that gamey as it only works from a home field/cv. all those autoacks, rearm pads, fuel depots, radars etc are "manned" by our tireless and invisible ground crews and support troops, each with comms running to the tower. so the base commander's view of the battle (and therefore intel passed to local planes and gvs) will be alot more than just what you can see from the tower. you could consider the F8 view as a substitute for being able to F3 view from every asset on the field.
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IT'S A FREAKIN GAME PEOPLE !!!!
Using an extenal view from the tower gives the defending TEAM an advantage. In most GAMES the defending team has the advantage !!! Its just the way it works.
Next you'll be saying that being able to move your head around in the cockpit to be able to see around the frames is "gameing the game" and everyone with TrackIR is cheating. Get over it !!!
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Originally posted by Larry
Um because its been around as long as I can remember and I bet everyone has known about it just as long.
its kinda like making a thread saying:
"Hey guys did you know you can fly planes in this game. I mean wow a plane. Its ganna be usefull when those enemy planes are attacking our fields."
Add me to the list of folks who didn't know the F3 view could be manipulated to a "birds eye".
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Originally posted by Donzo
Um, you assume that everyone knows about it?
Why? Because you do and apparently have for some time?
Some folks, for lack of self esteem, consider themselves the lowest link in the chain... so if they know it then everyone does.
On the other hand some just lack class.
This person posted this thinking of helping the community, even though he is new to the community. I commend him for that. Sometimes we forget, there are alot of new folks on AH and they would appreciate this type info.
:aok
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Didnt know all this either until a week or so ago. Always wondered how I and others were spotted so quickly/easily in gv's.
It doesn't bother me if people post tips about gameplay.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
This person posted this thinking of helping the community, even though he is new to the community. I commend him for that. Sometimes we forget, there are alot of new folks on AH and they would appreciate this type info.
:aok
Yes, I said exactly the same thing in the post you quoted from. The part you quoted was directed at Larry for his lack of class.
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From the help files. The wonders of the view system explained, for clueless noobs and clueless vets alike. ;)
View System
The view system consists of 5 view modes and 3 direction modes. The view modes are internal, external, chase, fixed, and bombsight. The direction modes are snap, pan, and instant. Here's how they work:
Default View- This keypress always returns you to internal snap mode from whatever view mode or setting you were in.
Internal View Mode- This takes your view point back inside the plane without changing your direction mode.
External View- Moves the camera outside the plane and keeps its position relative to the plane.
Chase View- Like External View, but with a lag.
Fixed View- Takes you to an external view that is fixed in space.
Bomb sight- Moves you to the bombadier position on planes that have them. Looking down (keypad key 0) will then put you in the bomb sight.
Snap Mode- The camera quick-pans between each of your views.
Pan Mode- Camera pans using the view keys.
Instant- Views shift instantly without the pan of the snap mode.
[] Bracket keys control your camera distance in external view and allow you to change your field of view in zoom mode.
Left and right arrow keys move your head side to side.
Up and down arrow keys move your head forward and aft.
PageUp and PageDown keys move your head up and down.
saves your head position.
returns you to the default head position.
Example: I want to make it so my back view in the P-51 looks around the headrest. While holding down my backview I press the arrow keys and pageup/pagedown keys to achieve my desired viewpoint. Once I'm there, I hit F10 to save it. Now everytime I look in my back view, my head position will be in this new spot. This can be done separately to all 27 views.
Z - Zoom mode. Toggles you between the default 90 degree field of view and a narrower field of view. The exact field of view you want in the zoom mode can be controlled with the bracket keys.
Keypad views - A standard numeric keypad view system with as a down view. There are also two separate forward views. The normal one requires no keypress while the alternate forward view uses keypress 8. This lets you map two different head positions to a forward view.
Aces High also has a built-in keymapper that lets you reassign functions to whatever keys you want. Key assignments can even be changed while you're inflight.
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there ya go I learnt something.
When re-adjusting views sometimes your finger would slip off the hat before you could reach F10 and home would instantly cure some completely bodged saved head position all along.
Thanks Hub!
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Originally posted by Donzo
Um, you assume that everyone knows about it?
Why? Because you do and apparently have for some time?
As someone else pointed out, this is not something that is documented. So knowing about it only becomes a reality if you stumble on it yourself or someone tells you.
I applaud cherish for sharing something he thinks everyone could benefit from.
Yet you laugh at him
Donzo,
I didn't know about it and i have playing for years. That's not saying much though as I am an idiot. :lol
Thanks for sharing cherish.
Spazz
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Is it just me or is actually reading a post optional?
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Originally posted by Donzo
Yes, I said exactly the same thing in the post you quoted from. The part you quoted was directed at Larry for his lack of class.
I meant to quote your whole post..... I was in a hurry :aok
I was concurring with your point of view....
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I played for two years before someone told me after I bailed I had to hit 'O' to open my chute. I just figured the chute was modeled poorly.
:D
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It is sad that certain individuals feel it is necessary to belittle someone here on the boards. I was not aware of this feature until several months ago. Ive been playing this game going on five years now. So I must be noob too. It doesnt bother me to be called a noob. Others seem to throw it out like it should. Again, very sad. Salute to the original posting and for trying to be a help to the community.
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Good point chrish, Im sure those of us that have been around along time and even the newer members of the community will find this post helpfull.As far as all the criticism youve recieved from some on the BB their always trying to beat down a suggestion or helpfull tip.Or make the author of the post seem like a Tard, its a childish attempt for some to try and make a person feel bad for their post.I read all the criticisms about youre post on the 1st page of the post and , they all act like elitists Dont pay them any attention ive splashed plenty of them in my years their all talk little action. They will come at me for this reply im sure, and start bashing me and my squad it doesnt bother me in the slightest .its always been the high caliber of the members of a squad that makes it great not the sharpness of their tongues.
chrish, keep em flyin:aok
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thank you to all that made a positive comment. and to smokey :aok
the bad comments dont bother me as i expect a few to show up in any post but i would not have guessed any would show up on this. If i had thought that this tip had any real tactful advantage over other players i probly would have kept it to myself. as of lately ive heard more people call out on the radio from the tower asking what was going on on the field and this is a fast way to make an assesment of whats going on and thats the main thing i use it for.
just because you do this and see a tank shooting at a hanger so you jump into a tank and head out to find the hanger blazing and then next to find yourself in the tower thinking WOW that was a real good avantage there, he moved or waited for me to show up. you might get the advantage but its a 50/50 deal and you get 50 kills a night byt hopping around finding a tank hiding in the bush, find a few one night and then none the next or a few nights, all last week i might have gotten 5 kills by spotting a eny tank or what ever first.
i had to bump this post up and speak out as i didnt know there was so many bad comments i assume as there not there anymore.
anyway my name nickname is chris_h, i had never thought my nick would be pronounced as it is when i first signed up, tho i never thought id be a long time paying member either after the free 2 weeks, thought about changing my name but its kinda stuck to some so maby ill keep it as is.