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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jackal1 on March 02, 2008, 07:19:46 PM
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This little puppet is just itching.
In the words of Jed Clampett .." We gonna have to have a long talk with that boy."
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Chavez warns of war with Colombia
By IAN JAMES, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
CARACAS, Venezuela - Warning that Colombia could spark a war, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez sent tanks and thousands of troops to the countries' border Sunday and ordered his government's embassy in Bogota closed.
The leftist leader warned Colombia's U.S.-allied government that Venezuela will not permit acts like Saturday's killing of top rebel leader Raul Reyes and 16 other Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia guerrillas at a camp across the border in Ecuador.
"Mr. Defense Minister, move 10 battalions to the border with Colombia for me, immediately — tank battalions, deploy the air force," Chavez said during his weekly TV and radio program. "We don't want war, but we aren't going to permit the U.S. empire, which is the master (of Colombia) ... to come to divide us."
He ordered the Venezuelan Embassy in Bogota closed and said all embassy personnel would be withdrawn. It pushes already tense relations between the South American neighbors to their lowest point yet, with potentially far-reach effects on billions of dollars in cross-border trade.
Though Chavez didn't say how many troops he was sending, a Venezuelan battalion traditionally has some 600 soldiers — meaning some 6,000 could be headed to the border.
Chavez called the Colombian government "a terrorist state" as he sided with the leftist rebels it has battled for decades, saying its military "invaded Ecuador, flagrantly violated Ecuador's sovereignty."
Neither Colombia's foreign minister nor the country's military leadership would comment on Chavez's latest move when pressed by reporters for comment Sunday as they left a funeral service in Bogota for a Colombian soldier killed in Saturday's raid.
Speaking in Texas, U.S. National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said officials were monitoring the situation.
"This is an odd reaction by Venezuela to Colombia's efforts against the FARC, a terrorist organization that continues to hold Colombians, Americans and others hostage," Johndroe said.
Chavez said he had just spoken to Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa and that Ecuador was also sending troops to its border with Colombia. Chavez said his Ecuadorean ally told him that Uribe had lied and that the rebels were killed while asleep "in their pajamas."
"This is something very serious. This could be the start of a war in South America," Chavez said. He warned Colombian President Alvaro Uribe: "If it occurs to you to do this in Venezuela, President Uribe, I'll send some Sukhois" — Russian warplanes recently bought by Venezuela.
He called Uribe "a criminal" accusing him of being a "lapdog" of Washington saying "Dracula's fangs (are) are covered in blood."
The slaying of Reyes and 16 other guerrillas, Chavez said, "wasn't any combat. It was a cowardly murder, all of it coldly calculated."
"We pay tribute to a true revolutionary, who was Raul Reyes," Chavez said, recalling that he had met rebel in Brazil in 1995 and calling him a "good revolutionary."
"The Colombian government has become the Israel of Latin America," an agitated Chavez said, mentioning another country that he has criticized for its military strikes. "We aren't going to permit Colombia to become the Israel of these lands. ... Uribe, we aren't going to permit you."
"Someday Colombia will be freed from the hand of the (U.S.) empire," Chavez said. "We have to liberate Colombia," he added, saying Colombia's people will eventually do away with its government.
Chavez maintains warm relations with the Colombia's largest guerrilla group, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, and has sought to play a role as mediator in the conflict despite his growing conflict with Colombia's government.
Colombia and Venezuela have been locked in a diplomatic crisis since November, when Uribe ended Chavez's official role negotiating a proposed hostages-for-prisoners swap.
Nevertheless, the FARC freed four hostages to Venezuelan officials last week, and they were reunited with their families in Caracas. It was the second unilateral release by the FARC this year.
Chavez has recently angered Uribe by urging world leaders to classify the leftist rebels as "insurgents" rather than "terrorists."
The FARC has proposed trading some 40 remaining high-value captives, including former Colombian presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt and three U.S. defense contractors, for hundreds of imprisoned guerrillas.
In Ecuador, army Gen. Fabian Narvaez told The Associated Press that soldiers had found the bodies of 15 rebels and that soldiers planned to hand the bodies over to Ecuadorean officials, who will conduct forensic exams.
He said three Ecuadorean battalions have been stationed in the area in the country's northeastern jungle since Saturday, just a few miles from Colombian territory."
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So he's willing to risk war to protect a terrorist organization. It would be a short war, and it would be his political downfall. He's allready failed at his attempt to create a cult of personality, a vital step for a dictator seeking to surplant the rule of law.
I'm surprised Equador did anything, they've been accomidating to the US army in the recent past, maybe that's changed.
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The two presidents may remain political foes until they end their terms in office, but they are unlikely to become military ones, if only because most Colombians and Venezuelans do not have the stomach for it.
What is likely in the short term is that there will be no more hostage releases.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7274209.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7274209.stm)
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I'm Colombian and I can tell you the Venezuelans are as fed up of Chavez as we are.
He feeds on the hopes of the poor and keeps his power via handouts and a lot of barking.
But when push comes to shove he serves his own interests not the peoples. Venezuelans are seeing a lot of that lately. He wont last in power much longer.
This military move is hilarious. I doubt his commanders will even obey any type of hostile order. Especially not given Venezuela's tendency to replace their leaders via coups. :P
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It`s pretty clear as of late that he is doing his best to build himself up in the eyes of his puppet master.........he thinks.
Instead of the submarine deal he made with them, he should have just asked us.
We could have set him up with some slightly used Edsels.
Somewhere along the line he got lost around 1960 and hasn`t gotten any memos lately.
If he continues with this I think he will find that his mentor in the World Idol contest will set him out on the curb with no cab fare.
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BEST thing the US could do is a naval blockade. let them fire the first shot.....
two can play this game...and he will blink first.
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A naval blockade? Good idea. :aok
After that, maybe you guys could visit all the houses in Texas and Florida and tell everyone what to do. You could blockade their driveways if they don't obey you. That should keep you busy sticking your nose in everyone else's business for a while. :eek:
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Originally posted by Suave
So he's willing to risk war to protect a terrorist organization. It would be a short war, and it would be his political downfall. He's allready failed at his attempt to create a cult of personality, a vital step for a dictator seeking to surplant the rule of law.
I'm surprised Equador did anything, they've been accomidating to the US army in the recent past, maybe that's changed.
It's just a power play.. he's inching his way along to becaome the next third world dictator.
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you people getting all worked up over nothing, president obama will go down there and talk to him about change and hope and how we must join together and everything will be fine.
this koolaid is not that bad, have some. :D
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Originally posted by Rolex
A naval blockade? Good idea. :aok
After that, maybe you guys could visit all the houses in Texas and Florida and tell everyone what to do. You could blockade their driveways if they don't obey you. That should keep you busy sticking your nose in everyone else's business for a while. :eek:
Mind your own business Rolex.
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If our economy collapses and/or people are unable to work or support their families it's unlikely we'll go quietly into the night regardless of what some may think of us. Conquering Venezuela for it's oil probably won't offend too many here then. If the US goes down I think you can be assured that it won't be alone.
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Blockading driveways in Texas probably wouldn`t be a good idea.
Too many just pawing at the ground to try them new Dick Cepek`s out.
:D
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Originally posted by crockett
It's just a power play.. he's inching his way along to becaome the next third world dictator.
or the next dead one..
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I can see it now....
AP Press
Live at the Battlefront.
While attempting to interview several Columbian soldiers after todays heated battle on the Venezuelan/Columbian Border, our reprters found it difficult to to get a response. The Columbian soldiers were all rolling on the ground laughing and holding their sides. It seems that Hugo Chavez deployed his 10 Battalions to the Border wearing Orange scarfs as a sign of unity.
In between excessive laughter one Columbian Soldier was quoted "Them beady lil eyes and orange scarfs.... we just aimed at the scarfs!!!"
Film at 11:00.
:D
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Oh,
Don’t worry, the whole world will back the US on this one. Countries will come out of the wood work to help. What you ask? If mister Pi$$ Ant takes Columbia, the canal is just a hop skip and jump away. I wonder how much the Panama Canal is worth to all those USA/anti war haters.
Oh ya, “Please uncle Sam help us save our commerce”. Every single country will say it is OK.
Money talks, poo poo walks
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The Venezuelan army isn't capable enough to take on the Colombian military. They dont have the training nor the equipment for it. In comparison most of the Colombian army is professional and has well near 40 years of combat experience in guerilla warfare & urban warfare.
It wont come to that anyway, Chavez knows none of his soldiers will obey an order to attack the border.
This morning the Colombian Gov. released a preliminary of the items found in the camp of the terrorist leader. Among it, several computers with evidence linking the FARC group to Chavez and the president of Ecuador.. seems they've been selling FARC weapons and supporting them for years..several hundred million dollars worth...
also mentioned was the passing along of some Uranium.
That just knocked me off... i mean, I can understand a corrupt little fascist idiot playing warlord but Uranium? holy crap.
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Originally posted by Tac
The Venezuelan army isn't capable enough to take on the Colombian military.
The Columbian military is the least of his worries. :)
t wont come to that anyway, Chavez knows none of his soldiers will obey an order to attack the border.
Never underestimate the insanity of the unstable.
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..and never underestimate a lame duck republican president with nothing to lose.......
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by the way....I think we all know the real reason he's done this.
I'm sure we have more american "resources" at that border than we may be letting on to....and chavez is already a frightened little nebbish....
you KNOW bush is...and has been....off the record....having great fun taunting chavez and Ahmadinejad within their own countries with the help of our cia and other covert/overt assets.
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He's certainly an idiot.
We're his biggest customer and he continues to threaten doing business with us. Wow, how's that for "Thanks for supporting us!" He's tried to rewrite the laws to endear him forever...hopefully people will smarten up down there and eliminate this moron.
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Originally posted by ZetaNine
you KNOW bush is...and has been....off the record....having great fun taunting chavez and Ahmadinejad within their own countries with the help of our cia and other covert/overt assets.
we do?
any links to back this up?
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Originally posted by Eagler
we do?
any links to back this up?
http://www.tauntingchavezandAhmadinejad.com
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Originally posted by ZetaNine
you KNOW bush is...and has been....off the record....having great fun taunting chavez and Ahmadinejad within their own countries with the help of our cia and other covert/overt assets.
and you think this is wrong, why?
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I think it's great!!!