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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Arlo on March 03, 2008, 08:24:59 AM
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Being the simple man I am, simple solutions appeal to me. Breaking down the current dilemma here and trying to reduce it to it's base common denominators I've defined the root elements of multiple simple equations:
A = disparity
B = skill
C = planeset
D = challenge
E = fun
F = success
The only variables seem to be perspective. Let's see if we can arrive at some common ground. Let's presume a majority consensus within perspective groups for simplicity sake (knowing well that anomolies may exist on each side):
Axis group claims the definition of the Allied group is A = B
Allied group claims the definition of the AVA setup is A = C
Allied group claims that current C increases D and decreases E
Axis group claims current C increases D and E
Axis claims B = F without A + C a factor
Axis group claims Allied B = (- Axis D) while also claiming their choice in C is to create more D for themselves due to an overabundance of Axis B and a disparity of Allied B.
However, a B deficit on either side has a direct relation to the other side's D causing a D deficit (if common sense is to factor in).
If Axis C = Axis D = Axis E then (Allied - B) = (- Axis D) = (- Axis E) to a degree (any of which the Axis group should be glad to diminish if not eliminate).
Even with disagreement on the previous formula there should be somewhat of an agreement on the final line. It being the focus of an arrived solution.
If fun = challenge and the Allies aren't providing one ... *AND* ... if Axis pilots F = B while Allied pilots - F = - B ... then why don't the Axis pilots train the Allied pilots? No ... not just fight them from the cockpit of an Axis plane in the AVA (not unless the Axis group really *doesn't* want a challenge). Let's see the top three Axis hotdogs take planes of the Allied groups choosing while surrendering their preferred rides to Allied student opponents and go to the DA and make films complete with audio for training purposes.
This kills two birds with one stone. It firmly establishes pilot skill superiority *and* helps rookie Allied pilots over the learning curve hump so the fun challenge for the Axis pilots can increase and they won't get bored suddenly when the planeset goes latewar and the Allies have the Spit V or Hellcat or ... whatever.
And ... to make it fair (and even more interesting ... the top three Allied hotdogs can embarrass themselves by returning the favor.
Call it ... the AVA hotdog challenge. Or ... if you will .... "Top Gun School" (the best pilots always fly opposing force, right?)
Dis-cuss. :D
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I like soup.
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I'm sure he likes you back. Maybe just as much. ;)
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I like chicken pot pie
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Originally posted by justguess
I like chicken pot pie
I guessed that the moment you fell off the short bus, Storch. So, up for training up those who aren't presenting you much challenge? Me included? :D
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arlo your rhetoric is both mystifying and dizzying. I went blank. but if the gist of your tome is will I help teach the allieds to improve then my answer is yes and I have been doing precisely that now for quite some time.
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Originally posted by justguess
arlo your rhetoric is both mystifying and dizzying. I went blank. but if the gist of your tome is will I help teach the allieds to improve then my answer is yes and I have been doing precisely that now for quite some time.
Oh ... I've seen the posts. I've even seen some hints in the field. My challenge is more pro-active. It involves both putting money where the mouth is and investing it in fellow players to make your AHII experience (and theirs) better.
If you need the suggestion un-dizzyfied and the post to cut to the chase:
Volunteer to be a "Top Gun" AVA instructor flying *both* Axis and Allied aircraft against student volunteers in a balanced enviroment in the DA with film and instructional vox. There's nothing like hands-on training from both perspectives provided by a trainer that can not only explain how to win (a dogfight) from either perspective but show it.
^That's it. You can even stop reading here, if you want. Or not. Cause I'm gonna needle ya now. :D
Why not return the favor the community bestowed on both of us when it's virtual aces gave a bit of their time to us rookies to make the arena less boring for them. It's just ACM. It's not gaming secrets. Got the package? I'm rusty. C'mon. I'm as eager to praise as I'm sure a worthy "Top Gun" is to be. :D
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arlo dear lad I have been doing just that for quite some time now. last night with stixx. I take anyone who asks and spend an hour or so 1v1 or as a group with JG54 in the DA with them.
shane did that with me long ago and I found it immensely helpful, shane asked me to do the same for others and I have.
why do you think we have so many good players in JG54? they weren't always JG54 members yaknow.
;)
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Well, Storch, `ol son, good on yas. You got another two (or more) willing to kick in theirs? It'll all be good. All who humble themselves, eh? I bet I can stir up some willing students (self included). And not having them all assimilated (eventually) into JG54 as a result isn't really tragic. If anything, just the opposite. Wanna kinda make this a bit more formal?
I'll make ya famous. :D
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Storch was a great help to me when I was a noob. First time I flew a 109 in the AvA I was being chased, Storch come on vox.
"I'm almost there, don't do anything stupid".
I pull straight up with the bad guy on my tail, and hear,
"like that..."
*BOOM* tower
I learned an important lesson that day. Success is a matter of not doing anything stupid and we should all be lucky enough to have someone as generous as Storch to let us know when we are being so.
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Originally posted by KONG1
Storch was a great help to me when I was a noob. First time I flew a 109 in the AvA I was being chased, Storch come on vox.
"I'm almost there, don't do anything stupid".
I pull straight up with the bad guy on my tail, and hear,
"like that..."
*BOOM* tower
I learned an important lesson that day. Success is a matter of not doing anything stupid and we should all be lucky enough to have someone as generous as Storch to let us know when we are being so.
True dat. Storch knows stupid and stupid knows storch :lol
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Originally posted by dedalos
True dat. Storch knows stupid and stupid knows storch :lol
and here he is stupid himself posting some more. whatsthematter deadalot wear out your welcome in the MA already? ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Well, Storch, `ol son, good on yas. You got another two (or more) willing to kick in theirs? It'll all be good. All who humble themselves, eh? I bet I can stir up some willing students (self included). And not having them all assimilated (eventually) into JG54 as a result isn't really tragic. If anything, just the opposite. Wanna kinda make this a bit more formal?
I'll make ya famous. :D
arlo if anything I will accept schooling from you. there are lots of players whom we have helped along the way and are in other squads. I just don't make a big deal about it because in reality it should not be a big deal I believe we all have an obligation to help those that want help to be the best they can be. to teach is really but to learn twice and I am a habitual student.
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The mediocre teacher tells. The good teacher explains. The superior teacher demonstrates. The great teacher inspires.
- William Arthur Ward (1921 – 1994)
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I appreciate the compliment but TK put a whoopin on me this am that flat out hoit. I know you might think I'm kidding or being sarcastic. I actually thought it was an epiphany of sorts. You're already doing it to recruit members. How about publisizing it to promote the arena .... and ... build a lil goodwill. I know ... I know ... the "hate" is tradition (as far back as AW) and fun ... but ....
:D
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Yep, spent a couple of hours with Storch and the JG54 gang in the DA last night. Enjoyed myself immensly, learned a thing or two (with still a good bit to learn yet), and I'm looking forward to the next time I'm able to talk Storch into a trip to the DA.
Will I join JG54? No!
Will I look forward to future encounters in the AVA against them?Yep!
And eventually, in time, I'll be shooting them down regularly.
Thanks for the good time last night, <>
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arlo, no it's not a method of recruitment and anyone is free to participate. we keep JG54 small by choice by participating in the training you are under no obligation to join the squad and in many instances there are players we simply will not allow to join and others that get summarily booted. we are pretty finicky about who we associate with, it's a wonder I'm allowed to remain.
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Originally posted by justguess
and here he is stupid himself posting some more. whatsthematter deadalot wear out your welcome in the MA already? ;)
I am stuck in the DA. Too match lag in the MA for my non existent aim.
You not PNGed anymore? Oups, I hope I did not cause any problems by typing this :(
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Oh by the way dedalos, You know who was asking for you the other day!??........................
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............................. ............NOBODY!!!
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Originally posted by captain1ma
Oh by the way dedalos, You know who was asking for you the other day!??........................
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............................. ............NOBODY!!!
You just like to hurt my feelings, don't you :cry
Judging from the number of posts everyone has (300 or less) the fights in there must be out of this world with all the vets flying around :rofl
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Originally posted by dedalos
You just like to hurt my feelings, don't you :cry
Judging from the number of posts everyone has (300 or less) the fights in there must be out of this world with all the vets flying around :rofl
C'mon in then! :D
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So now flying powess is judged by forum post count? You allies are trixy I tell you TRIXY!
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Originally posted by republic
So now flying powess is judged by forum post count? You allies are trixy I tell you TRIXY!
Unless these guys have been playing for years and only started posting because of the change in the AvA, yes.
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Originally posted by Rebel
C'mon in then! :D
Why?
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Dedalos and mugadai can form up and become the 347th HO'er squadron!
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Originally posted by captain1ma
Dedalos and mugadai can form up and become the 347th HO'er squadron!
And then we can expect you to lead the "Timid Runner's Fighter Group"?
Too bad you couldn't run fast enough after trying to gang and cherry pick 1Duke1 last night ^__^
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