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Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: 2bighorn on March 03, 2008, 11:23:21 AM
Looks like there's no end in sight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/business/worldbusiness/03cnd-oil.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601116&sid=auAqRVeyds.4&refer=africa

With recent Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela dance, it'll just get uglier.

OPEC won't rise the production either.

Some says we are already in recession, although majority is sticking head in the sand.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/gc06/idUKWEN425620080303

Dollar is continuing to fall.
US manufacturing is contracting at fastest pace in five years.

Construction spending decreased almost two percent in a single month.



So... Which team is going to win Stanley Cup?
Title: Re: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: Arlo on March 03, 2008, 11:30:14 AM
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
So... Which team is going to win Stanley Cup?


Does Saudi Arabia have a hockey team? I mean native. They probably own a few.
Title: Re: Re: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: 2bighorn on March 03, 2008, 11:40:57 AM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Does Saudi Arabia have a hockey team? I mean native. They probably own a few.
I know UAE has one, so I'd say Saudis might have one as well.
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: Shuffler on March 03, 2008, 11:40:59 AM
Housing played a big part so far. All those folks who couldn't see the writing on the wall with A.R.M.s. They should let the lenders die on the vine too. The US is readying itself for the closure of 200 banks.
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: 2bighorn on March 03, 2008, 11:46:36 AM
"Dubai Sandstorms Ice Hockey Club has a dedicated core of hockey coaches who coordinate two weekly one-hour practice sessions for players in all four divisions from September through to April. The Club hosts two annual tournaments attracting teams from Al Ain, Abu Dhabi, Oman and Saudi Arabia and organizes an annual ice hockey training camp led by hockey professionals from Canada."

Dubai Sandstorms... :rofl
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: 2bighorn on March 03, 2008, 11:56:04 AM
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Originally posted by Shuffler
The US is readying itself for the closure of 200 banks.
Not that we need them, or?
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: Shamus on March 03, 2008, 01:54:35 PM
Hello stagflation. Last time it happened the s & p lost 50%+ in 18 months, Buffet is saying that equities are overvalued, hang onto your socks:)

shamus
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: john9001 on March 03, 2008, 02:39:03 PM
if the US economy collapses, who will OPEC sell it's $100 a barrel oil to? :O
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: AWMac on March 03, 2008, 03:08:19 PM
Saudi's have the Toronto Maple Leafs I believe.

:D
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: Holden McGroin on March 03, 2008, 03:13:20 PM
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Originally posted by john9001
if the US economy collapses, who will OPEC sell it's $100 a barrel oil to? :O


They are selling a bunch to India and China now, i don't see why they shouldn't continue.
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: Brownshirt on March 03, 2008, 03:20:14 PM
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Originally posted by john9001
if the US economy collapses, who will OPEC sell it's $100 a barrel oil to? :O


You mean 30€ barrels?
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: SIG220 on March 03, 2008, 04:16:03 PM
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Not that we need them, or?


What about the people that have money with all of those banks?

Not all accounts are insured.
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: rpm on March 03, 2008, 04:23:02 PM
Where's Ripsnort to tell us oil is cheaper today than it was 30 years ago?
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: bj229r on March 03, 2008, 05:09:11 PM
Does anyone know how much the de-valued dollar is part of it? 10%..20?
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: Holden McGroin on March 03, 2008, 05:16:06 PM
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Originally posted by rpm
Where's Ripsnort to tell us oil is cheaper today than it was 30 years ago?


Gold 3/04/78  184.40  Gasoline 0.65

Gold 3/04/08  971.20  Gasoline 3.16

971.20/184.40 = 5.26

5.26 *0.65 = 3.41

Based on gold, it is cheaper...  Just like Ron Paul said.
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: rpm on March 03, 2008, 05:29:14 PM
Based on Kellogg's Corn Flakes, I'm Warren Buffet.
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: Holden McGroin on March 03, 2008, 05:53:38 PM
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Originally posted by rpm
Based on Kellogg's Corn Flakes, I'm Warren Buffet.


Last I checked, no currency was ever based on corn flakes.
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: rpm on March 03, 2008, 05:57:24 PM
Last I checked, the US economy was'nt based on gold.

[edit: you can thank a Republican for that]
Title: Recession
Post by: Hungry on March 03, 2008, 06:28:23 PM
Maybe the only good news is, is that by the time the US Gov't admits to a recession it's usually at least half way over.
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: Holden McGroin on March 03, 2008, 06:42:49 PM
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Originally posted by rpm
Last I checked, the US economy was'nt based on gold.

[edit: you can thank a Republican for that]


It was never[/b] based on corn flakes.

Yeah it was Nixon who took us off the Gold standard.  But by 1976, all the major currencies were fiat.  Which repuiblican are you going to blame for that?
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: rpm on March 03, 2008, 06:47:57 PM
Hold that spin!

You took this to a "versus gold" arguement. We are talking real world currency. How many $20 gold pieces do you use to fill up?
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: Holden McGroin on March 03, 2008, 07:08:59 PM
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Originally posted by rpm
Hold that spin!

You took this to a "versus gold" arguement. We are talking real world currency. How many $20 gold pieces do you use to fill up?


What spin?

I paraphrased a Ron Paul statement showing that the problem is possibly the value of currency rather than the true cost of oil.  That is all.

You (as is your habit) blamed republicans.  It seems as if you believe a fully 100% demo govt would not be as screwed up as the present partisan climate.
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: Shamus on March 03, 2008, 08:24:48 PM
If gold hits 10 grand or so do you think the government will make it illegal to own again?

shamus
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: crockett on March 03, 2008, 09:29:13 PM
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Originally posted by john9001
if the US economy collapses, who will OPEC sell it's $100 a barrel oil to? :O


China
Title: Re: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: SuBWaYCH on March 03, 2008, 10:13:05 PM
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Originally posted by 2bighorn



So... Which team is going to win Stanley Cup?


Well, i've got my fingers crossed that the Isles make the playoffs, but they won't win the cup....

My money is Minnesota, Boston, New Jersey, or Dallas to take home the Cup.
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: rpm on March 03, 2008, 10:37:27 PM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
What spin?

I paraphrased a Ron Paul statement showing that the problem is possibly the value of currency rather than the true cost of oil.  That is all.

You (as is your habit) blamed republicans.  It seems as if you believe a fully 100% demo govt would not be as screwed up as the present partisan climate.
Unless you have been paid in gold since '72 when Nixon took us off the gold standard the ratio of gold to gasoline makes absolutely no sense. I took that unlogical theory to the next unlogical step, Kellogg's Corn Flakes.

My political beliefs have nothing to do with the ratio of corn flakes to petrol. It's not my fault a Republican took us off the gold standard, now is it?
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: lasersailor184 on March 03, 2008, 10:41:56 PM
Good thing we aren't drilling in Anwr, or off the gulf coast.



I think we should stage a faux environment disaster to distract the hippies from what needs to be done in the Gulf and Alaska.
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: rpm on March 03, 2008, 10:48:43 PM
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Good thing we aren't drilling off the gulf coast.
Uh, what fantasy world are you living in?
Title: Oil Prices Pass Inflation-Adjusted Record
Post by: Holden McGroin on March 04, 2008, 08:43:34 AM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I paraphrased a Ron Paul statement showing that the problem is possibly the value of currency rather than the true cost of oil.  That is all.
 


Quote
Originally posted by rpm
Unless you have been paid in gold since '72 when Nixon took us off the gold standard the ratio of gold to gasoline makes absolutely no sense. I took that unlogical theory to the next unlogical step, Kellogg's Corn Flakes.
 


I can show numerable instances where gold was a standard, and arguably still is, considered a standard of constant value.

It is therefore logical to use the value of gold as an economic constant value standard.  After all the value of the dollar and other currencies are by definition of inflation not of a constant value.

Unless you can find me a currency in the history of civilization which was based in the value of breakfast food, I will have to agree with you that your corn flakes statement was illogical.