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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: ghostdancer on March 07, 2008, 03:59:27 PM
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Okay Gentlemen,
I have received side preferences from every squad but the following:
325th Checkertails VFG
Arabian Knights
The DAMNED
Isle of Misfit Toys
Nightmares VMF-101
Raw Prawns
Fighting 31
~U.S.M.C~/ 71 Squadron
~~~THE UNFORGIVEN
31st Figher Group
Jokers Jokers
Fighters Inc.
Sky Knights
367th Dynanite Gang
Next some insight into how I assigned squads. First off remember this you indicated a preference it doesn’t guarantee you a side (otherwise it would be like 40 allies squads versus 3 Axis squads), part of flying FSO is knowing that you will have to fly for the side you don’t prefer at times.
Without that in mind any squad who requested Axis got them (613th Pariah, II/JG11 Reichsverte, JV44 Butcher Birds Ex.III./JG44 Night Hawks).
Then any squad who has flown 2 or 3 FSOs in a row for one side automatically got the other side (364th C-Hawks~, Clowns of Death, VMF-251 Buccaneers, ~U.S.M.C~/ 71 Squadron, 31st Fighter Group, Army of Muppets, Jokers Joker).
Then after that I placed the other squads on sides.
Usually the Allies have a better turnout than the Axis (since most people want to fly allies) so the squads are split 48% to the allies and 52% to the Japanese.
Rest assure the frame 1 turnout numbers will be watch and if things get out of whacked numbers will be adjusted by switching squad(s) from one side to the other if numbers really go screwy for one side (low or high).
With that said here are the side assignements.
JAPANESE
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16-21: !347th Fighter Wing
16-21: 364th C-Hawks~
16-21: ~U.S.M.C~/ 71 Squadron
16-21: 31st Fighter Group
16-21: LCA
11-15: 325th Checkertails VFG
11-15: 353rd Fighter Group
07-10: 327th Steel Talons
07-10: 613th Pariah
07-10: II/JG11 Reichsverte
07-10: Fighting 31
07-10: ~~FATE~~
04-06: Arabian Knights
04-06: The DAMNED Axis
04-06: JV44 Butcher Birds Ex.III./JG44 Night Hawks
04-06: 880 Fleet Air Arm
04-06: Raw Prawns Axis
04-06: VMF-251 Buccaneers
04-06: The Haze 100th FBG
Min Numbers = 165
Max Numbers = 227
FRAME CiCs
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FR1 - Arabian Knights
FR2 - !347th Fighter Wing
FR3 - II/JG11 Reichsverte
U.S.
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22-27: 332nd Flying Mongrels
16-21: Nightmares VMF-101
16-21: ~~~THE UNFORGIVEN
11-15: Army of Muppets
11-15: Jokers Jokers
11-15: 5th Air Force
07-10: (+) precision
07-10: VFA-169 Excaliburs
07-10: ~Air Raiders~ Allies
04-06: 9GIAP VVS RKKA Allies
04-06: Clowns of Death Allies
04-06: Isle of Misfit Toys
04-06: ~~~The Killuminati~~~
04-06: 55th FG VelociRaptors
04-06: HellCat FG Allies
04-06: Swamp Dragons
04-06: Fighters Inc
04-06: Sky Knights
04-06: Alligator Snappers
04-06: 367th Dynamite Gang
FRAME CiCs
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FR1 - 5th Air Force
FR2 – Clowns of Death
FR3 – HellCat FG
Min Numbers = 152
Max Numbers = 210
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Updated
=FIGHTING 31= Ride Prefence for this week's FSO: Fr I or II F4F-4 or P40B, Fr III P38G/D
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Wow, old database? "II/JG11 Reichsverte" We have not gone by that in over a year. It's just "JG11", as it shows on our squad reg info.
Thank you.
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Ratt,
If you guys are defecting to Allied, 251 will come with you. ;)
I DO, with all due respect, wish to gripe that squads (like mine) who submitted their side request in a timely manner and wanted Allied were instead given Axis based on the criteria given, while squads who did NOT submit their requests at all were given Allied instead. I know you have to balance the sides and that's not an easy task so I won't say any more about it, but I do feel that's a little unfair to the squads who did give you their preferences.
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The numbers you have for USMC / 71sqn are incorrect. We registered 11-15, on 3-6-08.
Also the numbers for 367th are incorrect, they are 11-15. on 2-28-08.
Also the numbers for 31st FG are incorrect, they are 11-15. on 2-8-08.
May need to adjust sides.
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I have updated the side assignments for the next event including the addition of a couple of squads that had been forgotten, and adjustment of some squad numbers. We may have to switch a squad or 2 depending on how things go. Also, some of the squads still need to adjust there request for Air Craft choice.
It is now to late to adjust your numbers.
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Side Assignments for "1000 Miles of War, Ice, and Fog"
Squad name CO Name Commitment / Side CIC(yes/no) Frame Ride Preference
(+)precision marcds 7-10 Allied No P40b
332nd Flying Mongrels daddog 22-27 Allied No Any ride & P-39 if is comes out in time.
367th 'Dynamite' gang Tattered 11-15 Allied No
5th Air Force Stoney74 11-15 Allied Yes, for FRAME 1 on 2008-03-14 P-39, P-38, F4F in that order
9GIAP VVS RKKA Dantoo 4-6 Allied No Just Happy to Help
Army Of Muppets BearKats 11-15 Allied No P39D/P38G (If available) then P40B
Clowns of Death Kurt 4-6 Allied Yes, for FRAME 2 on 2008-03-21 Fighters
FIGHTERS INC. CHAPPY 4-6 Allied No P40
Hellcat Fighter Group Redtail7 4-6 Allied Yes, for FRAME 3 on 2008-03-28
Isle of Misfit Toys ShakNbak 4-6 Allied No
Jokers Jokers Joker2 7-10 Allied No
Nightmares VMF-101 MGD 16-21 Allied No Fighter or Bomber as necessary
SWAMPDRAGONS JackRaid 4-6 Allied No
The =55th= VelociRaptors Turbo10 4-6 Allied No Any.
The Sky Knights jammerz 4-6 Allied No 25C, P40
The Unforgiven Mystic2 16-21 Allied No
VFA-169 Excaliburs Ruger44 7 -10 Allied No F4F-4
~Air Raiders~ Lambo 7-10 Allied No B-25's
~~~ The Killuminati ~~~ Kermit 4-6 Allied No Anything but the F4F4
31st Fighter Group ADog31st 11-15 Axis No
325th Checkertails VFG CUTT 11-15 Axis No Fighters / Bombers
327th Steel Talons Tried 7-10 Axis No
347th Fighter Wing 68Falcon 16-21 Axis Yes, for FRAME 2 on 2008-03-21
353rd Fighter Group TheBug 11-15 Axis No
364th C-HAWKS FG SpiveyCH 16-21 Axis No
613th SOS Pariah ElD66 7-10 Axis No Fighters
880 Sqn Fleet Air Arm Warloc 4-6 Axis No
Aces & 8s A8balls 7 -10 Axis No
Arabian Knights AKDogg 4-6 Axis Yes, for FRAME 1 on 2008-03-14
Damned SE Drano 4-6 Axis No No Preference
FIGHTING 31 rattfink 7-10 Axis No
JG11 Stampf 7-10 Axis Yes, for FRAME 3 on 2008-03-28 A6M2
JV44 Butcher Birds WOLF359 4-6 Axis No
LCA Pez 16-21 Axis No
Raw Prawns rikau 4-6 Axis No
The Haze 100th FBG Chapel 4-6 Axis No A6M
USMC / 71sqn TracerX 11-15 Axis No anything
VMF-251 The Buccaneers Saxman 4-6 Axis No
AArch AAngelZ Div187 AApache 4-6 Axis No
~~~FATE~~~ Bannor 7-10 Axis No
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You show the LCA on AXis flying P40B's. Little mix up I'm sure.
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You show the LCA on AXis flying P40B's. Little mix up I'm sure.
That just shows what ride that squad wanted, not what they'll be in.
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That just shows what ride that squad wanted, not what they'll be in.
Correct
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Stoney understands, Allied CIC for Frame 1.
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I DO, with all due respect, wish to gripe that squads (like mine) who submitted their side request in a timely manner and wanted Allied were instead given Axis based on the criteria given, while squads who did NOT submit their requests at all were given Allied instead. I know you have to balance the sides and that's not an easy task so I won't say any more about it, but I do feel that's a little unfair to the squads who did give you their preferences.
Sax,
Your squad has been Allied the last 3 events.
There was NO WAY you were going to get Allied again this event.
Past history is what is looked at the most in deciding which side to put a squad on.
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I have received side preferences from every squad but the following:
325th Checkertails VFG
Arabian Knights
The DAMNED
Isle of Misfit Toys
Nightmares VMF-101
Raw Prawns
Fighting 31
~U.S.M.C~/ 71 Squadron
~~~THE UNFORGIVEN
31st Figher Group
Jokers Jokers
Fighters Inc.
Sky Knights
367th Dynanite Gang
We are not listed here.
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Then any squad who has flown 2 or 3 FSOs in a row for one side automatically got the other side (364th C-Hawks~, Clowns of Death, VMF-251 Buccaneers, ~U.S.M.C~/ 71 Squadron, 31st Fighter Group, Army of Muppets, Jokers Joker).
For Cruel Sea--all frames allied
Breaking the Seige--Frame 1 allied, moved to axis for frames 2 and 3.
Okinawa-The Final Battle--Axis all frames
Operation Cerberus--Axis all frames
Operation Strangle--Axis all frames
Bangkok or Bust--Axis all frames
And many more frames we flew axis.
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I know it's tricky getting all this in line. Just posted to get your thoughts.
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Are you guys going to try and make me justify every squad assignment? :huh
We try and alternate as best has we can, but that does not mean that squads will not sometimes see the same side 2 - 3 times in a row. If a squad sees the same side 4 times in a row, THEN they need to say something, and we will try to change that.
Spivey, I have your squad as Allied in "Operation Cerberus". From what I see your squad has pretty much gone back and forth.
Starting with Arado 234 blitz for the Chawks.......
Axis
Allied
Axis
Allied
Axis
Allied/Axis
Allied
There are a couple of events that did not get recorded.
Next............... :rolleyes:
:)
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From the FSO Logs starting with Arado:
Axis
Allied
Axis
Axis
Axis
Axis
Allied for Frame 1/Frame 2 and 3 moved
Allied
Just trying to get a better understanding of the process. :rock
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Saxman according to the Admin CM tracking VMF-251 Buccaneers have flown Allied for the past 3 FSOs in a row. Per the rules of FSO no squad (with the exception of requesting axis) can fly a side 3 frames in a row. Sorry, you had a good run as allies but it is time to fly Axis.
Now in regards to requesting Axis. It has long been the policy of the Admin CMs that if you request axis you get it. Why because everybody and I mean everybody requests allies. Over 40 squads requested allies. So if your squad has flown Axis 3 times in a row and your request Axis for the 4th event we see no problem giving it to you since it is always the case that very few squads actually request axis.
So SpiveyCH if you were placed on Axis side four times in a row (or I should say the the 4th time) and had requested Allied for that 4 FSO then definitely there is an issue. If you requested to be on the Axis side that time, that is fine. Basically it was your choice for that event. I don't know which was the case .. if you requested in for the fourth or were put in it when you requested allies.
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Sled thanks for the catches.
Also I got contacted and JG11 will not be able to CiC FR3 so if anybody wants to speak up now. Otherwise I will be assigning a squad shortly.
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Personally, I think the squads that couldn't maintain better control over their squad numbers
should get the last choice as to what they get & where they go.
I feel the same way SaX. But if this is how they want to run things then. We shall wing... I hope.
Can a squad request that they wing w/ another for a frame??
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Explained the reasoning in another thread.
Absolutely a squad can request to wing with another squad. However, the Admin's CM do not dictate things like to the frame CiC.
Contact your side's frame CiC, the both of you, and ask him if he can have your two squads work / wing together. Personally if I was a CiC and knew that you guys work well together I would place you together. Group cohesion is important and when you pair up squads you definitely want any advantage you can get n that deparment.
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Explained the reasoning in another thread.
Absolutely a squad can request to wing with another squad. However, the Admin's CM do not dictate things like to the frame CiC.
Contact your side's frame CiC, the both of you, and ask him if he can have your two squads work / wing together. Personally if I was a CiC and knew that you guys work well together I would place you together. Group cohesion is important and when you pair up squads you definitely want any advantage you can get n that deparment.
私に有益な湾〔音〕．
私は、すっかり働く2つの一団がよく一緒に一緒に組み合わせられるように同意します。
<<S>> ありがとうghostdancer
Translated:
Sounds good to me.
I totally agree that two squads that work well together should be paired together.
<<S>>
Thank you ghostdancer
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Are you guys going to try and make me justify every squad assignment? :huh
We try and alternate as best has we can, but that does not mean that squads will not sometimes see the same side 2 - 3 times in a row. If a squad sees the same side 4 times in a row, THEN they need to say something, and we will try to change that.
Spivey, I have your squad as Allied in "Operation Cerberus". From what I see your squad has pretty much gone back and forth.
Starting with Arado 234 blitz for the Chawks.......
Axis
Allied
Axis
Allied
Axis
Allied/Axis
Allied
There are a couple of events that did not get recorded.
Next............... :rolleyes:
:)
Sled, in logs it shows 364th as axis for Cerberus. Just pointing that out.
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Gents, I think y'all know what the Admins are trying to do. And that they like all of us are terribly flawed. So give em a break,please.
Also, we've had a wave of new admin blood on the CM team, so they are getting up to speed on all the wonderful CM tools, reports, etc. So the basic premise SLED is requesting is patience.
On the tools side, I'm a bit behind on the requests to automate a few of the things that would make the Admin CMs life easier. The tools will eventually be automated more, but at the present they are manually updated, so things like a squad being marked as Axis on our custom tracking sheet versus them actually flying Allied or vice versa is to be expected. Have you guys ever worked on a shared spreadsheet that 5 people had copies of and were expected to keep it updated?
Bottom line, gripe, complain when we mess you over big time, but please cut us a we bit of slack now and again.
Thanks.
forHIM.
PS: this is my own comment and may not reflect the attitude or policy of the CM team as a whole or individually.
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Hey ghostdancer
I signed the 79th Fighter Group up Sat. Evening. And I PM you about possibly see if you could squeeze us in. We have a total of 9 able pilots. And we want to fly with our group / Squadron. Sorry if I was a little late. But we are new to the FSO. And we would like to give it a go. I had to work this weekend training Air National Guards - traditional. So registering this Saturday evening was my only option. One-way or another please notify me.
Thanks
GGhost - CO
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Sorry GGhost,
registration is closed for this event.
you will have to wait till the April event.
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GGhost, your guys can always just show up and ask if any squads have open slots, most of the time there are squads with spots to spare. You probably wont all get to fly together, but you'll atleast get a feel for FSO.
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GGhost, your guys can always just show up and ask if any squads have open slots, most of the time there are squads with spots to spare. You probably wont all get to fly together, but you'll atleast get a feel for FSO.
Start a thread on this BB with that request please GGhost.
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Updated/Edited:
FIGHTING-31 Ride Prefence for this week's FSO: Fr. I A6M2, Fr. II Ki61, & Fr. III D3A1
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VMF-251 ride preference updated.
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Ratfink Ki61s will only be in Frame 3.
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cc, will fix
Ride Prefence for this week's FSO: Fr. I A6M2, Fr. II D3A1, & Fr. III Ki61
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From the FSO Logs starting with Arado:
Axis
Allied
Axis
Axis
Axis
Axis
Allied for Frame 1/Frame 2 and 3 moved
Allied
Just trying to get a better understanding of the process. :rock
Just looked through it, and you're right. The four Axis in a row should NOT have happened. Did you guys ask to be moved?
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FIGHTERS INC.
FSO rides updated